Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nevermind replacement. I'll soldier on after work.

[unfurl]

Alright. I'm all caught up now, but I'm way too tired to really post coherent thoughts. Thankfully I only work a half-day tomorrow, so I will have plenty of time in the afternoon to be around then. The best I can do for tonight is to just keep up with the thread.

So what are you thoughts for this lynch? you voted for a low poster day 1, Dfaraday, which also brings the question? are you still looking at him? is not like he has changed anything?
What do you think of the people that voted for you? do you think they still looking at you?

For now Im placing my vote on birdwithteeth11 I gonna try to pop up later to see if his afternoon promised is fullfilled

Im gonna keep an open mind about MP, but Im also not joining The save MP party by votting Bass, Im actually intersting to see if any more guesses will be joining eitheir one

[Marmot]

Nevermind replacement. I'll soldier on after work.

Glad to have you Jay!

[G-Man]

Can someone please recruit G-Man? He deserves it.

Who says I haven't been recruited yet? I posted that in OT green on purpose. That was proposed as a legitimate theme song, not a personal plea for recruitment.

Also llama what happened to your Bubbles suspicion? Did it just magically disappear?

Same goes to all the Teeth voters - did your suspicion (strong enough to place a vote on him yesterday) just disappear over the night phase?

Maybe they think they don't have to speak to that issue since the day was ended before most of those votes were even cast?


Thoughts:

I'm not interested in either Bass or MP right now. Maybe I'm still a little hung up on getting a read on people. I still have no read on 13 different players. I'll probably vote for one of them.

The game quieted down substantially over the weekend. While I liked less content sitting there when catching up, it does hamper progress on the game. It still feels like a lot of people just aren't participating.

Not sure what to make of Dr. Wilgy. It's cute and all but it could also be a distraction. He's one of my 13.

Yay for 3-J sticking around.

[reywaS]

Can we be called the G-13?

[G-Man]

Can we be called the G-13?

What makes you so sure you're sill on my list? You could be one of the three that I got a read on since Day 1.

[Bullzeye]

Can someone please recruit G-Man? He deserves it.

Who says I haven't been recruited yet? I posted that in OT green on purpose. That was proposed as a legitimate theme song, not a personal plea for recruitment.

Also llama what happened to your Bubbles suspicion? Did it just magically disappear?

Same goes to all the Teeth voters - did your suspicion (strong enough to place a vote on him yesterday) just disappear over the night phase?

Maybe they think they don't have to speak to that issue since the day was ended before most of those votes were even cast?


Thoughts:

I'm not interested in either Bass or MP right now. Maybe I'm still a little hung up on getting a read on people. I still have no read on 13 different players. I'll probably vote for one of them.

The game quieted down substantially over the weekend. While I liked less content sitting there when catching up, it does hamper progress on the game. It still feels like a lot of people just aren't participating.

Not sure what to make of Dr. Wilgy. It's cute and all but it could also be a distraction. He's one of my 13.

Yay for 3-J sticking around.

Was about to say 13 what and then make silly jokes but proper reading prevailed and I understand now. Who are your other 12?

As for quietening down on the weekend, I can't explain why everyone did but for me it was because I was writing 10,000 words in the hopes that my university will enjoy reading them enough to give me a Masters.

[LoRab]

Hey, y'all. I kind of feel like crud today with a summer cold and have spent most of the day sleeping. Between fuzzy brain and inability to stay awake, I will be in and out of posting and having actual thoughts.

@Roxy: I still find BWT suspicious, although less so after his explanation.

Team Caelia has recruited.

Well, ain't that dandy.

In my experience, "ain't that dandy," is generally said when someone feels something is, well, not dandy at all. In fact, I can't think of this phrase being used as an actual positive, outside of really, really dated tv shows and films--and I'm pretty sure you're not on Leave it to Beaver.

Anyway, my point is...uh....wouldn't a civ recruiter recruiting someone be a good thing? Why would you respond negatively?

Lorab - there are a lot of new players maybe they stopped the day bc they wanted try out their power? Odds were highest day one to take out a Neutral anyway. Feels like if they were unrecruited they would most likely be a new play to the Recruitment games.

But the timing of JJJ's post pings me.

you're assuming it was a negative response. Why not just ask me if it was? Did you read the other posts I made right afterward? I had just smoked a doobie and was feeling spammy.

As I said, I don't think I've ever heard it used that way outside of 50's tv. Otherwise, can you explain how you meant it positively? You seem to be talking around an answer here.

[birdwithteeth11]

Why is no one besides Rey and unfurl and I the only ones to comment on Teeth?

Because THEY ARE NOT WORTHY OF MY GREATNESS!!!

[Marmot]

Why is no one besides Rey and unfurl and I the only ones to comment on Teeth?

I don't have anything to say about BWT.

[birdwithteeth11]

Alright. My half-day today ran slightly longer than I thought it would, but I am here now. I'm going to eat lunch and then post my current thoughts.

Linki: I thought us Animal Sanctuary Squad members had to stick together!

[G-Man]

Can someone please recruit G-Man? He deserves it.

Who says I haven't been recruited yet? I posted that in OT green on purpose. That was proposed as a legitimate theme song, not a personal plea for recruitment.

Also llama what happened to your Bubbles suspicion? Did it just magically disappear?

Same goes to all the Teeth voters - did your suspicion (strong enough to place a vote on him yesterday) just disappear over the night phase?

Maybe they think they don't have to speak to that issue since the day was ended before most of those votes were even cast?


Thoughts:

I'm not interested in either Bass or MP right now. Maybe I'm still a little hung up on getting a read on people. I still have no read on 13 different players. I'll probably vote for one of them.

The game quieted down substantially over the weekend. While I liked less content sitting there when catching up, it does hamper progress on the game. It still feels like a lot of people just aren't participating.

Not sure what to make of Dr. Wilgy. It's cute and all but it could also be a distraction. He's one of my 13.

Yay for 3-J sticking around.

Was about to say 13 what and then make silly jokes but proper reading prevailed and I understand now. Who are your other 12?

As for quietening down on the weekend, I can't explain why everyone did but for me it was because I was writing 10,000 words in the hopes that my university will enjoy reading them enough to give me a Masters.

Actually, it looks like I need to lerntukaunt because my list is only 11 people total. I failed to mark Typhoony as dead on my player feel list. Spreadsheet neglect!

Bea
Boomslang
Canuck
Devin
Dom
Dr. Wilgy
Nutella
reywaS
Sorsha*
TinyBubbles
TurnipHead


*she was exempted from my list of 16 from Day 1 because she was traveling but I have no read on her still, so technically, there are only 10 holdovers and 1 new name in Sorsha.

[reywaS]

Can we be called the G-13?

What makes you so sure you're sill on my list? You could be one of the three that I got a read on since Day 1.

Am I?

[reywaS]

Hey, y'all. I kind of feel like crud today with a summer cold and have spent most of the day sleeping. Between fuzzy brain and inability to stay awake, I will be in and out of posting and having actual thoughts.

@Roxy: I still find BWT suspicious, although less so after his explanation.

Team Caelia has recruited.

Well, ain't that dandy.

In my experience, "ain't that dandy," is generally said when someone feels something is, well, not dandy at all. In fact, I can't think of this phrase being used as an actual positive, outside of really, really dated tv shows and films--and I'm pretty sure you're not on Leave it to Beaver.

Anyway, my point is...uh....wouldn't a civ recruiter recruiting someone be a good thing? Why would you respond negatively?

Lorab - there are a lot of new players maybe they stopped the day bc they wanted try out their power? Odds were highest day one to take out a Neutral anyway. Feels like if they were unrecruited they would most likely be a new play to the Recruitment games.

But the timing of JJJ's post pings me.

you're assuming it was a negative response. Why not just ask me if it was? Did you read the other posts I made right afterward? I had just smoked a doobie and was feeling spammy.

As I said, I don't think I've ever heard it used that way outside of 50's tv. Otherwise, can you explain how you meant it positively? You seem to be talking around an answer here.

I thought my answer was pretty straightforward. It was a folksy observation. It not meant to be negative at all. I'm shocked that you would think it was.

[G-Man]

Can we be called the G-13?

What makes you so sure you're sill on my list? You could be one of the three that I got a read on since Day 1.

Am I?

Signs point to yes

[reywaS]

yes, I see. I posted before reading all of the new posts. I have a tendency to do that. Apologies.

[Roxy]

Can someone please recruit G-Man? He deserves it.

Who says I haven't been recruited yet? I posted that in OT green on purpose. That was proposed as a legitimate theme song, not a personal plea for recruitment.

Also llama what happened to your Bubbles suspicion? Did it just magically disappear?

Same goes to all the Teeth voters - did your suspicion (strong enough to place a vote on him yesterday) just disappear over the night phase?

Maybe they think they don't have to speak to that issue since the day was ended before most of those votes were even cast?


Thoughts:

I'm not interested in either Bass or MP right now. Maybe I'm still a little hung up on getting a read on people. I still have no read on 13 different players. I'll probably vote for one of them.

The game quieted down substantially over the weekend. While I liked less content sitting there when catching up, it does hamper progress on the game. It still feels like a lot of people just aren't participating.

Not sure what to make of Dr. Wilgy. It's cute and all but it could also be a distraction. He's one of my 13.

Yay for 3-J sticking around.

Right - so since the day ended early (even though they had no idea it was happening at the time of their votes) they hold no responsilbility for them?

Ofc I disagree with your assessment.

[G-Man]

Can someone please recruit G-Man? He deserves it.

Who says I haven't been recruited yet? I posted that in OT green on purpose. That was proposed as a legitimate theme song, not a personal plea for recruitment.

Also llama what happened to your Bubbles suspicion? Did it just magically disappear?

Same goes to all the Teeth voters - did your suspicion (strong enough to place a vote on him yesterday) just disappear over the night phase?

Maybe they think they don't have to speak to that issue since the day was ended before most of those votes were even cast?


Thoughts:

I'm not interested in either Bass or MP right now. Maybe I'm still a little hung up on getting a read on people. I still have no read on 13 different players. I'll probably vote for one of them.

The game quieted down substantially over the weekend. While I liked less content sitting there when catching up, it does hamper progress on the game. It still feels like a lot of people just aren't participating.

Not sure what to make of Dr. Wilgy. It's cute and all but it could also be a distraction. He's one of my 13.

Yay for 3-J sticking around.

Right - so since the day ended early (even though they had no idea it was happening at the time of their votes) they hold no responsilbility for them?

Ofc I disagree with your assessment.

Heh. Maybe I should have put that in sarcastic orange for effect? They obviously have to answer for their votes even if they don't count. I was providing a philosophical line of BS that might be attempted. I was not suggesting they are exempt from speaking their votes. Even though their votes didn't count, they are still on record.

[Golden]

Nevermind replacement. I'll soldier on after work.

Yay you would have been a big loss to the game.

[Turnip Head]

Rest in peace Epi and Typh. Not surprised to see Epi go early, that seems to always happen to him. Typh is a shocker though, sad to see them both go.

I still think BWT is fishy, specifically his "Go civs!" post before his non-lynch, but I'm backburnering that because I agree with the suspicion on Bass. I'm seeing a few things that I associate with his baddie game, there was one post in particular where he answered some suspicion on him and then turned it around into a question for (I think) Golden. I think that sort of pivot play is straight out of Bass' baddie repertoire.

Don't find MP suspicious, don't understand the votes for him.

Serenity doesn't know what she's talkin' 'bout.

I'll be around until deadline.

[Golden]

Also llama what happened to your Bubbles suspicion? Did it just magically disappear?

Same goes to all the Teeth voters - did your suspicion (strong enough to place a vote on him yesterday) just disappear over the night phase?

I would not say it fully evaporated, but his comment when he thought he was lynched made me think twice about him, and yeah it did make me think he was more likely to be civ than I previously thought.

[Dom]

Oh and since votes are changeable I think I might as well throw an early vote out there as a prod. I'd still like to hear more from Bass.

*votes Bass*

You're the second or third person to do this.

Do what?

Vote for Bass to "prod" him.

I really don't understand you Dom. Like I never understand most of the things that cause you to "eye" people, they're always the weirdest, most meaningless little things. Like how hard you went after Scotty for something you contrivedly read as a "slip" when it clearly wasn't (I think quite a few others were as baffled by your interpretation as I was.) And now you're eyeing me for placing an early vote in a changeable poll?? What??? I guess it's just how you play though, going doggedly after little things like that, but honestly if you weren't like this every game I would call you out for being opportunistic. But I'm generally always completely baffled by your extreme nitpickiness.

nutella, I actually don't think a lot of people thought my thoughts on Scotty were that... baffling. A few people wanted to hear more. TBH, different strokes for different folks, I guess.

But if you every agree with something I say, I guess I'll give you the eye even more.

This kind of sounds like you're upset I'm looking at you.... why?

I really don't understand you Dom. Like I never understand most of the things that cause you to "eye" people, they're always the weirdest, most meaningless little things. Like how hard you went after Scotty for something you contrivedly read as a "slip" when it clearly wasn't (I think quite a few others were as baffled by your interpretation as I was.) And now you're eyeing me for placing an early vote in a changeable poll?? What??? I guess it's just how you play though, going doggedly after little things like that, but honestly if you weren't like this every game I would call you out for being opportunistic. But I'm generally always completely baffled by your extreme nitpickiness.

If he nitpicks you, that means he likes you.

Dom never nitpicks me.

Give me a nit to pick.

Dr W's post made me laugh and gave a me a lovely start to today

Still do not find him suspicious.

Will not likely vote MP

Sebass (my son) does have this job going crazy right now. I know he has not had time to catch up. I don't like the tone of his posts but for right now I am willing to give him a chance.

Why is no one besides Rey and unfurl and I the only ones to comment on Teeth?

Because I do not, and have not thus far, thought Teeth was bad. Or civvie for that matter.

[birdwithteeth11]

Alright. I'm fed and watered and relaxed a bit. So here's where I stand right now:

- For the whole MP vs. llama thing, I'm absolutely not surprised at all that MP reacted the way he did. I've almost come to expect at least one emotional outburst from him per game. While he's done it both as a baddie and a civvie, I'm not getting any baddie vibes from him on this front. Llama on the other hand, I'd normally expect much better than a "no u" vote from him. I think he's worth keeping an eye on.

- In regards to MP potentially recruiting Daisy, I don't think Daisy would be MP's first choice as a recruit, but I could definitely see it as a second or third option. I don't buy the opinion that he wouldn't pull such a big WIFOM-y move and not recruit her. I think that's totally within the realm of possibility...

HOWEVER

...I don't think it's something that has occurred at this point. I'm still getting normal (if worn out and frustrated from RL stuff) MP and normal Daisy here. Now if one of them pulls a 180 and goes in a completely different direction from where they are, then that might be something to re-examine.

- Seems like a lot of early bandwagons on both MP and Bass. Very interesting there, especially since I've seen them both get lynched a lot for behaviors I've seen them repeat a lot. Between the two though, I feel more suspicious of Bass. The way he responded to one of Golden's questions before turning it around on Golden seems like a baddie move to me.

- Unfurl, why did you throw a vote on me out of curiosity? Was it because I hadn't come back to post yet or were there other reasons? Do tell. And on that note, what else have you actually contributed to this game since receiving MP's vote on Day 1? Because I feel like you've still said a lot without saying a lot.

Going to sit outside and do some reading. The weather is absolutely perfect today. Upper 70s, no humidity, and sunny. . Will be back later this afternoon/evening.

[Roxy]

*voted*

[LoRab]

Voting now so I don't miss the vote.

Going with BWT again, because I don't have strong enough thoughts about anyone else at this moment. Might change if something comes up.

[G-Man]

I won't be back before the poll closes, so here goes:

VOTES TURNIP HEAD

He's on my list of players who I don't have a read on and lynching him could be a test of whether or not to ignore future messages from the Speaker of Serenity.

[Turnip Head]

I can confirm that lynching me is a waste of everyone's time, and if that's the barometer we're using for whether or not the Speaker of Serenity can be trusted, then the answer is that s/he can not.

[Spacedaisy]

DrW kind of reminds me of Merlin the Wizzard. *wipes tear*

That is a high compliment Dr.Wilgy! Merlin is a good guy, and very humorius writer. Miss that guy.

[nutella]

Dom, thanks for clarifying -- I was indeed the second player to vote for Bass today, after MP, but I still don't get why that is suspicious. Can you elaborate on why my vote warranted an ? And no I wasn't upset about you eyeing me specifically, it's more that your general pattern of opportunistically badgering people about little things is bothersome and imo unproductive. Maybe you have some success rate of catching baddies with stuff like that, I don't know, but to me it really seems like fluffing up your posts with trivial "pings" rather than discussing more substantial thoughts.

I'm still not understanding the BWT votes. On Day 1 I think several people voted for him for several different reasons, rather than a single case that gained any kind of momentum. Now Roxy votes for him without any kind of explanation that I see, and Lorab repeats her vote for him despite the fact that it seemed to me that her previous reasons for suspecting him were mostly resolved (primarily the list of low posters taken from G-man being inaccurate). Lorab, am I wrong -- did you have other qualms with BWT that he has not responded to?

[LoRab]

Dom, thanks for clarifying -- I was indeed the second player to vote for Bass today, after MP, but I still don't get why that is suspicious. Can you elaborate on why my vote warranted an ? And no I wasn't upset about you eyeing me specifically, it's more that your general pattern of opportunistically badgering people about little things is bothersome and imo unproductive. Maybe you have some success rate of catching baddies with stuff like that, I don't know, but to me it really seems like fluffing up your posts with trivial "pings" rather than discussing more substantial thoughts.

I'm still not understanding the BWT votes. On Day 1 I think several people voted for him for several different reasons, rather than a single case that gained any kind of momentum. Now Roxy votes for him without any kind of explanation that I see, and Lorab repeats her vote for him despite the fact that it seemed to me that her previous reasons for suspecting him were mostly resolved (primarily the list of low posters taken from G-man being inaccurate). Lorab, am I wrong -- did you have other qualms with BWT that he has not responded to?

It still seemed convenient to vote for a low poster without looking at who the actual low posters were (especially when G-Man didn't even describe his list as actual low posters). And his end-lynch post didn't sound civ to me. And I don't have any better suspicions.

[Roxy]

Dom, thanks for clarifying -- I was indeed the second player to vote for Bass today, after MP, but I still don't get why that is suspicious. Can you elaborate on why my vote warranted an ? And no I wasn't upset about you eyeing me specifically, it's more that your general pattern of opportunistically badgering people about little things is bothersome and imo unproductive. Maybe you have some success rate of catching baddies with stuff like that, I don't know, but to me it really seems like fluffing up your posts with trivial "pings" rather than discussing more substantial thoughts.

I'm still not understanding the BWT votes. On Day 1 I think several people voted for him for several different reasons, rather than a single case that gained any kind of momentum. Now Roxy votes for him without any kind of explanation that I see, and Lorab repeats her vote for him despite the fact that it seemed to me that her previous reasons for suspecting him were mostly resolved (primarily the list of low posters taken from G-man being inaccurate). Lorab, am I wrong -- did you have other qualms with BWT that he has not responded to?

Before you repeat things like I voted "with no explanation" maybe you should read my posts to find the explanation.
Also I will add that Teeth COMPLETELY ignored my suspicion of him for the entire day period.

[timmer]

Only in wifi for 5 minutes. Voted myself worn catch up when I'm home tomorrow

[Roxy]

Only in wifi for 5 minutes. Voted myself worn catch up when I'm home tomorrow

I do not want a "worn" catch up
I want a new one

[Spacedaisy]

Does the poll actually close at the time listed or does it close earlier? I thought the last day got closed early so I am trying to sort out if the day is shorter than it appears.

Canuck, I have refreshed my last read and see now what pinged you about me, however there is a simple enough explanation. earlier in the game, DH asked me a question that struck me as odd, when I asked him why and said how it came across to me, he told me he was looking for my thoughts. So when DH asked me that question about recruiting Golden I assumed he was asking for the same reasons and just gave him my thoughts. Perhaps he was kidding around, I don't know. Only he could answer that. I didn't feel overly srsbsn though,I just answered the question put to me by sharing my thoughts since that's what he was looking for last time.

[Bullzeye]

Does the poll actually close at the time listed or does it close earlier? I thought the last day got closed early so I am trying to sort out if the day is shorter than it appears.

Canuck, I have refreshed my last read and see now what pinged you about me, however there is a simple enough explanation. earlier in the game, DH asked me a question that struck me as odd, when I asked him why and said how it came across to me, he told me he was looking for my thoughts. So when DH asked me that question about recruiting Golden I assumed he was asking for the same reasons and just gave him my thoughts. Perhaps he was kidding around, I don't know. Only he could answer that. I didn't feel overly srsbsn though,I just answered the question put to me by sharing my thoughts since that's what he was looking for last time.

I wouldn't mind having the poll close earlier, if it remains around 5am I will be voting super early every day and missing hours of discussion each time.

[nutella]

Okay, that's totally fair. I have read his responses as genuine for the most part but I can definitely get where you're coming from. I'm inclined to think he's an unrecruited who's not devoting much effort to playing the game at this point.

linki @ Roxy: I'm looking through your posts and I see no explanation. In fact I do not see mention of BWT besides asking his D1 voters whether they still suspect him or not. The only thing I see is your first post after the EOD when you comment on BWT's "Go Civs" comment -- and that is right after you say you probably would not have voted for him because he is "generally wacky". Is the "go civvies" comment your sole reason for suspecting he was recruited? Or did I miss something else in your posts, because I don't see any more mention of suspecting him between then and your vote.

[nutella]

sorry, bc of linki it's unclear -- first part of that post is @ Lorab

[Ricochet]

Bad day to have time for gaming, but I'll try to catch up and maybe vote. Oh wow, 7 more hours before deadline, unfortunately it's almost midnight here.

[Golden]

I can confirm that lynching me is a waste of everyone's time, and if that's the barometer we're using for whether or not the Speaker of Serenity can be trusted, then the answer is that s/he can not.

I saw no reason to believe the Speaker of Serenity ought to be blindly followed yet.

The question for me is, are they not to be trusted as in actually bad, or are they just not to be trusted as in - it should be obvious to everyone that they probably don't have info yet.

[nutella]

I am inclined to think the Speaker of Serenity is unrecruited, has no info, and is arbitrarily tossing TH's name out.

[Bullzeye]

I can confirm that lynching me is a waste of everyone's time, and if that's the barometer we're using for whether or not the Speaker of Serenity can be trusted, then the answer is that s/he can not.

I saw no reason to believe the Speaker of Serenity ought to be blindly followed yet.

The question for me is, are they not to be trusted as in actually bad, or are they just not to be trusted as in - it should be obvious to everyone that they probably don't have info yet.

Even if they're not actively bad (yet), I'd be wary of anyone willing to blindly follow such a role. Despite the fact I've always wanted to have a gossip role (and the one time I did I got bandwagoned Day 1) I always take their comments with a pinch of salt - it's just another player who isn't necessarily any wiser or dumber than the rest of us, they just get an anonymous platform to call people out from. They can be useful, but only when their posts have more content than just "lynch X plzkthxbai".

[Ricochet]

I can confirm that lynching me is a waste of everyone's time, and if that's the barometer we're using for whether or not the Speaker of Serenity can be trusted, then the answer is that s/he can not.

I saw no reason to believe the Speaker of Serenity ought to be blindly followed yet.

The question for me is, are they not to be trusted as in actually bad, or are they just not to be trusted as in - it should be obvious to everyone that they probably don't have info yet.

Considering the Speaker has "message to the thread" written on all position, but it's hinted that most of them should be read as *Secrets*, plus that N1 confirmed his messaging as genuine for Position 1, it's really hard to believe he had the power to check and gather real info as well, all on the first Night of the game. Hence, the Speaker's message should be read at most as his hunch or suss, nothing beyond that.

[Sorsha]

I've been reading through players posts, reviewing the suspicions that players have of each other and am finding it hard to choose someone to vote for. I either don't agree with the suspicion (if I can actually find that one was given) or I feel the player is neutral (which most of us still are).

linki: I'm not comfortable following the Speaker at this point either.

[Black Rock]

Does the poll actually close at the time listed or does it close earlier? I thought the last day got closed early so I am trying to sort out if the day is shorter than it appears.

Canuck, I have refreshed my last read and see now what pinged you about me, however there is a simple enough explanation. earlier in the game, DH asked me a question that struck me as odd, when I asked him why and said how it came across to me, he told me he was looking for my thoughts. So when DH asked me that question about recruiting Golden I assumed he was asking for the same reasons and just gave him my thoughts. Perhaps he was kidding around, I don't know. Only he could answer that. I didn't feel overly srsbsn though,I just answered the question put to me by sharing my thoughts since that's what he was looking for last time.

It closes at this time, but if all votes are in and LC is home we will post earlier. We will try and shorten the night to get a better time.

[nutella]

I can confirm that lynching me is a waste of everyone's time, and if that's the barometer we're using for whether or not the Speaker of Serenity can be trusted, then the answer is that s/he can not.

I saw no reason to believe the Speaker of Serenity ought to be blindly followed yet.

The question for me is, are they not to be trusted as in actually bad, or are they just not to be trusted as in - it should be obvious to everyone that they probably don't have info yet.

Considering the Speaker has "message to the thread" written on all position, but it's hinted that most of them should be read as *Secrets*, plus that N1 confirmed his messaging as genuine for Position 1, it's really hard to believe he had the power to check and gather real info as well, all on the first Night of the game. Hence, the Speaker's message should be read at most as his hunch or suss, nothing beyond that.

The way I interpreted the role description is that I think the Speaker does in fact message the thread every day but each position makes it different in some way. In fact it says something like "only the speaker knows the truth within these messages" or something so I think some of the positions might give the speaker true info, which would be interesting. Either that or there's some kind of restriction on the style or format of the message? idk

[Sorsha]

Okay, that's totally fair. I have read his responses as genuine for the most part but I can definitely get where you're coming from. I'm inclined to think he's an unrecruited who's not devoting much effort to playing the game at this point.

linki @ Roxy: I'm looking through your posts and I see no explanation. In fact I do not see mention of BWT besides asking his D1 voters whether they still suspect him or not. The only thing I see is your first post after the EOD when you comment on BWT's "Go Civs" comment -- and that is right after you say you probably would not have voted for him because he is "generally wacky". Is the "go civvies" comment your sole reason for suspecting he was recruited? Or did I miss something else in your posts, because I don't see any more mention of suspecting him between then and your vote.

I went back and looked through Roxys posts for her bwt suspicion as well and found the same as you....

[Ricochet]

I can confirm that lynching me is a waste of everyone's time, and if that's the barometer we're using for whether or not the Speaker of Serenity can be trusted, then the answer is that s/he can not.

I saw no reason to believe the Speaker of Serenity ought to be blindly followed yet.

The question for me is, are they not to be trusted as in actually bad, or are they just not to be trusted as in - it should be obvious to everyone that they probably don't have info yet.

Considering the Speaker has "message to the thread" written on all position, but it's hinted that most of them should be read as *Secrets*, plus that N1 confirmed his messaging as genuine for Position 1, it's really hard to believe he had the power to check and gather real info as well, all on the first Night of the game. Hence, the Speaker's message should be read at most as his hunch or suss, nothing beyond that.

The way I interpreted the role description is that I think the Speaker does in fact message the thread every day but each position makes it different in some way. In fact it says something like "only the speaker knows the truth within these messages" or something so I think some of the positions might give the speaker true info, which would be interesting. Either that or there's some kind of restriction on the style or format of the message? idk

I don't think I see it the same way. The key sentence is the first: all positions appear to be the same (as in him being a constant messenger). But if they're not, that would imply different powers.

[Bullzeye]

I can confirm that lynching me is a waste of everyone's time, and if that's the barometer we're using for whether or not the Speaker of Serenity can be trusted, then the answer is that s/he can not.

I saw no reason to believe the Speaker of Serenity ought to be blindly followed yet.

The question for me is, are they not to be trusted as in actually bad, or are they just not to be trusted as in - it should be obvious to everyone that they probably don't have info yet.

Considering the Speaker has "message to the thread" written on all position, but it's hinted that most of them should be read as *Secrets*, plus that N1 confirmed his messaging as genuine for Position 1, it's really hard to believe he had the power to check and gather real info as well, all on the first Night of the game. Hence, the Speaker's message should be read at most as his hunch or suss, nothing beyond that.

The way I interpreted the role description is that I think the Speaker does in fact message the thread every day but each position makes it different in some way. In fact it says something like "only the speaker knows the truth within these messages" or something so I think some of the positions might give the speaker true info, which would be interesting. Either that or there's some kind of restriction on the style or format of the message? idk

I don't think I see it the same way. The key sentence is the first: all positions appear to be the same (as in him being a constant messenger). But if they're not, that would imply different powers.

Arguably the fact that it says they appear to be the same could be taken as indication that they blatantly aren't. I think Nutella's view is the more accurate here, I'd guess that the Speaker has the same overall power it just varies from position to position in ways not known to the rest of us.

[Golden]

I can confirm that lynching me is a waste of everyone's time, and if that's the barometer we're using for whether or not the Speaker of Serenity can be trusted, then the answer is that s/he can not.

I saw no reason to believe the Speaker of Serenity ought to be blindly followed yet.

The question for me is, are they not to be trusted as in actually bad, or are they just not to be trusted as in - it should be obvious to everyone that they probably don't have info yet.

Even if they're not actively bad (yet), I'd be wary of anyone willing to blindly follow such a role. Despite the fact I've always wanted to have a gossip role (and the one time I did I got bandwagoned Day 1) I always take their comments with a pinch of salt - it's just another player who isn't necessarily any wiser or dumber than the rest of us, they just get an anonymous platform to call people out from. They can be useful, but only when their posts have more content than just "lynch X plzkthxbai".

I agree entirely. I'm not really sure why TH has votes, to me it is pretty much on the same place on the curve as random. Although someone like G-Man is not basing it solely on the Speaker.

[Sorsha]

I've moved my vote to Turnip Head per Serenity's request.

Do you think TH is actually deserving of a lynch? What makes you so confident to follow the speaker?

Same question for tinybubbles. Is it normal for her to post without explanation? I haven't played with her before.