Battlestar Galactica Mafia - GAME OVER

[Long Con]

The best way to stay safe during the night is to go for a long walk. Statistically most murders and accidents happen at home to people without a home insurance.

I would vote for this guy.

[Vompatti]

The best way to stay safe during the night is to go for a long walk. Statistically most murders and accidents happen at home to people without a home insurance.

I would vote for this guy.

I am flattered.

[Long Con]

The best way to stay safe during the night is to go for a long walk. Statistically most murders and accidents happen at home to people without a home insurance.

I would vote for this guy.

I am flattered.

Why do you play this way, Vompatti?

[Vompatti]

The best way to stay safe during the night is to go for a long walk. Statistically most murders and accidents happen at home to people without a home insurance.

I would vote for this guy.

I am flattered.

Why do you play this way, Vompatti?

Because I really, really want to win.

[Long Con]

The best way to stay safe during the night is to go for a long walk. Statistically most murders and accidents happen at home to people without a home insurance.

I would vote for this guy.

I am flattered.

Why do you play this way, Vompatti?

Because I really, really want to win.

How does it help you win?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The best way to stay safe during the night is to go for a long walk. Statistically most murders and accidents happen at home to people without a home insurance.

I would vote for this guy.

I am flattered.

Why do you play this way, Vompatti?

Because I really, really want to win.

How does it help you win?

He never gets night killed, and in survival-oriented games he has an automatic advantage.

[Ricochet]

Hi.

*reads*

Bye.

We need to lynch Ricochet tomorrow.

B-but I wasn't even trying this time, let alone try hard.

[Ricochet]

Rico is a confirmed civilian.

How 'bout you, tho?

[Vompatti]

The best way to stay safe during the night is to go for a long walk. Statistically most murders and accidents happen at home to people without a home insurance.

I would vote for this guy.

I am flattered.

Why do you play this way, Vompatti?

Because I really, really want to win.

How does it help you win?

He never gets night killed, and in survival-oriented games he has an automatic advantage.

Says someone who will probably night kill me tonight.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Rico is a confirmed Vic.

[Ricochet]

Rico is a confirmed Vic.

Except when I lose, which is too often, if you ask me.

[Marmot]

I would vote for this guy.

I am flattered.

Why do you play this way, Vompatti?

Because I really, really want to win.

How does it help you win?

He never gets night killed, and in survival-oriented games he has an automatic advantage.

Says someone who will probably night kill me tonight.

Spoken like a ture toastre.

[Golden]

You found and destroyed a resurrection ship in sector F2. Hot Dog and Kat returned alive.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[sig]

Yayyyyyyy, take that toasters.

[Polo]

You found and destroyed a resurrection ship in sector F2. Hot Dog and Kat returned alive.

NOICE

I suppose each ress ship we destroy will stop the next dead Cylon from resurrecting.

[indiglo]

You found and destroyed a resurrection ship in sector F2. Hot Dog and Kat returned alive.

w00t w00t!

BOSS SORTIE SENDING MARMOT!!!



Ok, updated (and complete) sortie schedule & sector map:


>May 8, 11:47 pm EST - ika, A1
>May 9, 5:47 5:49 am EST - ika, A3
>May 9, 11:49 am EST - indiglo, A5 LC, D5
>May 9, 5:49 pm EST - Silverwolf, A5
>May 9, 11:49 pm EST - Marmot, E3
>May 10, 5:49 am EST - SVS, B2 - SUCCESS
>May 10, 11:49 am EST - juliets, C3
>May 10, 5:49 pm EST - SW, F4
>May 10, 11:49 pm EST - indiglo, F5
>May 11, 5:49 am EST - Rico, E5
>May 11, 11:49 am EST - G-Man, E1
>May 11, 5:49 pm EST - juliets, B3
>May 11, 11:49 pm 12:12am EST - Scotty, D6
---Switching to 12 hour intervals---
>May 12 - 12:12 am EST - Scotty - D6
>May 12 - 12:12 12:34 pm EST - Bea indiglo - B6
>May 13 - 12:12 12:34 am EST - Marmot - F2 - SUCCESS
>May 13 - 12:12 12:34 pm EST - G-Man

May 14 - 12:04 am EST - indiglo (if anyone else wants this, that's fine, I've put myself there just in case)
May 14 - 6:04 am EST -
May 14 - 12:04 pm EST -
May 14 - 6:04 pm EST -

(the times in italics are still tentative, and will depend upon exactly when Goldama posts the End of Night post.)



A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6


Anyone notice a pattern? Do we think it would be silly to finish out that 2 column, in case there are more there?


Also, in case of being silenced, or something awful happening to me, I'm going to post again my equation for sussing out our new sortie schedule.

Where X = Goldama's posting of EoN

(12:34 am EST - X) ÷ 2 = New sortie time, and a return to every 6 hours

[indiglo]

An afternoon of work awaits me. I've been staring at my spreadsheet for a while, trying to determine shifty looking votes. I hope to share a few things before heading home. I'm trying not to get too wrapped up in it just yet, as three days of vote data is my gold standard. As long as I don't die tonight or get lynched tomorrow, you can bank on some technicolor vote analysis come Night 3.

Looking forward to it G-Man!

[indiglo]

Aw nuts. Left off G-Man's updated sortie. Here we go, that's better.

>May 8, 11:47 pm EST - ika, A1
>May 9, 5:47 5:49 am EST - ika, A3
>May 9, 11:49 am EST - indiglo, A5 LC, D5
>May 9, 5:49 pm EST - Silverwolf, A5
>May 9, 11:49 pm EST - Marmot, E3
>May 10, 5:49 am EST - SVS, B2 - SUCCESS
>May 10, 11:49 am EST - juliets, C3
>May 10, 5:49 pm EST - SW, F4
>May 10, 11:49 pm EST - indiglo, F5
>May 11, 5:49 am EST - Rico, E5
>May 11, 11:49 am EST - G-Man, E1
>May 11, 5:49 pm EST - juliets, B3
>May 11, 11:49 pm 12:12am EST - Scotty, D6
---Switching to 12 hour intervals---
>May 12 - 12:12 am EST - Scotty - D6
>May 12 - 12:12 12:34 pm EST - Bea indiglo - B6
>May 13 - 12:12 12:34 am EST - Marmot - F2 - SUCCESS
>May 13 - 12:12 12:34 pm EST - G-Man - A6

May 14 - 12:04 am EST - indiglo (if anyone else wants this, that's fine, I've put myself there just in case)
May 14 - 6:04 am EST -
May 14 - 12:04 pm EST -
May 14 - 6:04 pm EST -

(the times in italics are still tentative, and will depend upon exactly when Goldama posts the End of Night post.)



A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

[indiglo]

One other thing. I mentioned this in passing earlier, but it may have gotten lost in a barrage of other posts.

Other show lore peeps - I remember there was a specific thing that 4 of the Final 5 kept hearing. It flipped them, they started having secret meetings about it, because it was confusing. I have not mentioned that specific thing, just in case it would trigger the Final 5. Is this something that we may want to try to go ahead and trigger? Or try to avoid saying precisely just in case it triggers it? (And, indeed, saying this thing may not trigger them. The trigger time may already be built into the game.) Am I being too vague here? I want to talk about it, without actually saying it, if it seems to be a bad thing to trigger?

And, just to other players - do you all think we should come out and say the trigger thing? To see if it does something? Or try to stay away from that entirely?



Somebody else asked a lore question relating to where folks are stationed. Let me go back and look for that too.

[indiglo]

As a list-making nerd, I couldn't help myself. Here's a list of players based on their color location in the OP:

On Board Battlestar Galactica

HUMANS:
Admiral William Adama
Kara ‘Starbuck’ Thrace
Lee 'Apollo' Adama
Saul Tigh
Galen Tyrol
Karl ‘Helo’ Agathon
Felix Gaeta
Anastasia 'Dee' Dualla
Cally Henderson
Sam Anders
Lou ‘Kat’ Katraine
Brendon ‘Hot Dog’ Costanza
Doc Cottle

TOASTERS:
John Cavil (number one)
Aaron Doral (number five)
Sharon ‘Boomer’ Valerii (number eight)
Sharon ‘Athena’ Agathon (number eight)

Not On Board

HUMANS:
President Laura Roslin
Gaius Baltar
Billy Keikeya
Tom Zarek
Ellen Tigh
Tory Foster
Romo Lampkin

TOASTERS:
Leoben Conoy (number two)
D’Anna Biers (number three)
Simon O’Neill (number four)
Caprica Six (number six)

?
[secret role] Might be human. Might be cylon. Might be stationed on Galactica. Might not. Who really knows.

Is there anything we can derive from looking at the role list this way? Lore people- can you tell us about any factions or interplay between these two groups that Golden the Coward might have brought over into the game?

Here it is.

As far as the humans go, the lists make perfect sense. Since there was a fleet, and certain people were on different ships. So I haven't analyzed each human on the Galactica and each human elsewhere, but in general that makes sense.

Beyond that, here is what I've found on each of the cylons, relating to their currently assigned locations. (Yes, this contains spoilers, read at your own risk if you haven't watched the show and want to watch it still.)

On Galactica

Spoiler: show

Cavil - One of the Number Ones, prior to being discovered among the Fleet, posed as Brother Cavil, a member of the Colonial clergy. However, contrary to his assumed role, he did not share the other Cylons' religious beliefs and frequently mocked them.



Doral - "Number Five", known to the humans as Aaron Doral, appears to be a man in his mid-thirties. He is initially encountered aboard Galactica, where he is operating as a public relations executive. Later he is active both within the fleeing Colonial fleet and on Caprica. He seems designed to network, almost to the point of being the sleazy used-car salesman type, but with a sadistic, violent side.

But Doral is a humanoid Cylon in reality. The Doral model's purpose is to attempt to sow the seeds of discontent or confusion, particularly during crucial life-threatening situations. Doral models endeavor to undermine authority that threatens his objectives. Doral models are more covert than the dazzling Sixes, assuming an ordinary "everyman" appearance blended in what may seem to be insignificant behind-the-scenes issues (such as converting Galactica into a museum).



Boomer - Sharon "Boomer" Valerii is a copy of the humanoid Cylon model Number Eight who is initially planted as a "sleeper" agent in the Colonial Fleet. She is unaware of her Cylon nature and serves for two years as Lieutenant Valerii on Galactica, where she is assigned as a Raptor pilot and also engaged in a secret relationship with Chief Tyrol. After the Cylon attack, her underlying programming repeatedly emerges which leads her to unconscious acts of sabotage. Growing confusion about her true self result in a deep depression and a failed suicide attempt. After Valerii returns from a successful mission to destroy a Cylon basestar, she shoots Commander William Adama in the chest, wounding him critically. She is incarcerated in the brig and soon afterward is killed by Cally Henderson.



Athena - The Cylon who eventually comes to be known as Sharon "Athena" Agathon is a Number Eight humanoid Cylon copy.

She is first encountered by Karl "Helo" Agathon when he is stranded on Caprica. Initially assigned to seduce him by impersonating Lieutenant Sharon "Boomer" Valerii, as part of a Cylon cross-breeding experiment, she turns against her people and helps him escape the planet. Pregnant with Helo's child, Helo is shocked by her true nature but ultimately accepts her lovingly as the mother of his child.

Once on Galactica, she is imprisoned and long seen as a mere object.

Not aboard:

Spoiler: show

Leoben - Number Two is first encountered at the Ragnar Anchorage, where he poses as an arms dealer and calls himself Leoben Conoy. It is likely that he was assigned with the monitoring of this depot station as the war began, gaining intelligence on battlestars that visited there. Alternatively, he may have been tasked with stealing away or destroying the ammunition (or the station itself) to prevent its use by the Colonials.


D'Anna - "Number Three" is a model of humanoid Cylon, female, blonde, and marked by a religious curiosity—notably surrounding the verboten Final Five—that sets her against the other Cylon models, notably the Number Ones.

The model was first introduced in "Final Cut" as an infiltrator in the Fleet under the alias "D'Anna Biers" posing as a reporter for the Fleet News Service. She appears to be more of a tabloid rumor-and-innuendo format news journalist and less of the conventional Fleet journalist types such as James McManus.



O'Neill - "Number Four", also referred to by his human name Simon O'Neill, is a humanoid Cylon that speaks calmly and purposefully, and tends to use logic as a means for his operation or resolving issues (TRS: "Torn"), and is not as religious as his counterparts.[2] This model appears to be the medical specialist of the Cylons and also takes on the role of a doctor or medic when functioning as an infiltrator (TRS: "The Farm", "Six of One", "The Plan"). Apparently the infiltrators of this type are more likely to use their medical skills subversively than to engage in direct combat.

A Four captured on an infected basestar near the Lion's Head Nebula is interrogated on Galactica. He reveals information about the ship and the Cylons' motives for abandoning it, in exchange for a cure promised by the humans. However, there is no cure, only a treatment.



Caprica Six - For two years, Caprica-Six lived on Caprica. Seducing the ambitious, self-obsessed, arrogant Gaius Baltar, she fools him into believing she was a corporate spy, seeking to gain advantage over her competitors in order to secure a lucrative defense contract. Over the course of two years, she used Baltar to gain access to his work -- even to the extent of re-writing many of his own algorithms -- in order to subvert his own Command Navigation Program for use in the forthcoming Cylon attack to cripple Colonial forces with no warning. (Never appears on Galactica in the flesh.)

As far as gleaning anything about alignment based on their location, I don't see it. To me, the alignment (based on lore) would likely look like:

Cavil vs D'Anna

Cavil Faction: ones (Cavil), fours (O'Neill), fives (Doral) and Boomer (Cavil also hated the Final 5, wanting them dead and/or boxed), the Hybrid (if it exists) may be in this faction, or work as an indy

D'Anna's Group: twos (Leoben), threes (D'Anna), and Athena, Caprica Six may be in this faction, or work as an indy


So it looks like they're all just all over the place. And I'm just doing this after lots of reading. So I could of course be wrong, but I think if the factions/groups follow show lore, this is the way it will look. Hybrid and C Six are an unknown, afaik. Though I do know that D'Anna angered the Hybrid at one point with her actions, so that's why I would put it with Cavil, or as an indy.

I'd love to hear more input from other show watchers, or wiki readers.

[indiglo]

My brain is tired again. Bye bye.

[Glorfindel]

You found and destroyed a resurrection ship in sector F2. Hot Dog and Kat returned alive.

w00t w00t!

BOSS SORTIE SENDING MARMOT!!!



Ok, updated (and complete) sortie schedule & sector map:


>May 8, 11:47 pm EST - ika, A1
>May 9, 5:47 5:49 am EST - ika, A3
>May 9, 11:49 am EST - indiglo, A5 LC, D5
>May 9, 5:49 pm EST - Silverwolf, A5
>May 9, 11:49 pm EST - Marmot, E3
>May 10, 5:49 am EST - SVS, B2 - SUCCESS
>May 10, 11:49 am EST - juliets, C3
>May 10, 5:49 pm EST - SW, F4
>May 10, 11:49 pm EST - indiglo, F5
>May 11, 5:49 am EST - Rico, E5
>May 11, 11:49 am EST - G-Man, E1
>May 11, 5:49 pm EST - juliets, B3
>May 11, 11:49 pm 12:12am EST - Scotty, D6
---Switching to 12 hour intervals---
>May 12 - 12:12 am EST - Scotty - D6
>May 12 - 12:12 12:34 pm EST - Bea indiglo - B6
>May 13 - 12:12 12:34 am EST - Marmot - F2 - SUCCESS
>May 13 - 12:12 12:34 pm EST - G-Man

May 14 - 12:04 am EST - indiglo (if anyone else wants this, that's fine, I've put myself there just in case)
May 14 - 6:04 am EST -
May 14 - 12:04 pm EST -
May 14 - 6:04 pm EST -

(the times in italics are still tentative, and will depend upon exactly when Goldama posts the End of Night post.)



A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6


Anyone notice a pattern? Do we think it would be silly to finish out that 2 column, in case there are more there?


Also, in case of being silenced, or something awful happening to me, I'm going to post again my equation for sussing out our new sortie schedule.

Where X = Goldama's posting of EoN

(12:34 am EST - X) ÷ 2 = New sortie time, and a return to every 6 hours

As I said earlier, I'd love to help out with this but I've just spent a half an hour trying to convert those last three spots to AEST with no success despite using two apps and an two or three websites...

[S~V~S]

Here is a link to a World Clock/Time Zone Chart, This one is fairly easy to use. Use New York for USA Eastern Time.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

And Yay for another ship!

[Glorfindel]

Here is a link to a World Clock/Time Zone Chart, This one is fairly easy to use. Use New York for USA Eastern Time.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

And Yay for another ship!

So Say We All!

Thank you so much my friend May 14 6:04 am EST = May 14 8:04 pm AEST so that works for me

[Marmot]

Hi five SVS. We're now both on Team Sortie-Slayer.

[S~V~S]

Especially since the pilots both came back again.

I wonder how many ships there are? Someone said how many there were in the series, I think, didn't they?

[G-Man]

A look at the first two days of voting is in order now that the first period of the hockey game is over.

Having torn a knee ligament before, I'm pretty sure the Tampa goalie popped one. That hurt to watch.

Votes were spread way out on Day 1, making it hard to look for shady votes without forcing a read. Six people picked up votes before anyone got a second. By the time we got to vote # 11, there were nine players with votes. Coupled with the fact that seven people missed the vote (possibly a punishment?) and two people failed to place their in-thread votes correctly, Day 1 was missing almost a full third of all possible votes. Finding anything in Day 1 is going to be hard but the second half of the votes will probably be more telling in the near term. That may require ISO'ing some of those players around their votes.

Day 2 is by far easier to parse but even then it may be too early to lean too heavily on vote analysis even though we flipped two Cylons. Once again, we start out with a spread, this time five votes for five different people. The oddball of the bunch being Vomp's self-vote.

The game is back on. I'll finish this during the next intermission.

[SokothQultuq]

best advice I can give is just keep being you - damn how everyone else sees it.

I know this was to Silvy, but I'm takin' it for meeself.

OA - If you have a problem with my gameplay and feel like no longer playing because of it, please take it to the Mod. Thanks. Also, I take issue with your choice of words, such as "attack". I have not been "attacking" people.

SW - Please give me examples of every quote that I "took out of context". Thanks.

Klingon noob - Are you bad?

bea again - Just so you know, I might suspect you at some point down the line, but if I do, know it's with love. Right now you seem alright.

LOLOLOLOL - Really? Sure, I'm going to admit that in an open forum. I do like toast, perhaps that makes me a Toaster... Humm... would that be kind of like cannibalism? I suppose not, because toast is not actually a metal thing but the metal things are trying to be like living things. Its really confusing. Though I've met a toaster and they didn't seem half bad. Eh.. What do you think Matt? Am I a Toaster?

[Epignosis]

I'd be willing to vote for you in order to find out.

[SokothQultuq]

You know it came up briefly but it seemed like it was a topic that was either ignored but seems to be a reoccurring theme question... Are Cylons good or bad? Do they have the capacity to be either or? Are they simply just a program or more? I'm curious what some of you think. Are Cylons inherently bad because they cannot think beyond programming? Or are they truly evolved?

It might make me looked down on but I feel like they could be either. I believe that if they've learned to think like true artificial intelligence then they can also learn to think for themselves. If they can show compassion and love. Think for themselves and make decisions then perhaps they are not all bad. At what point do we set aside our anger and hate for these things and see them for what they are. Alive. But who makes that decision? Are Cylons or at least the models that look, think, and act like humans are they alive? Do they meet the scientific criteria for something that is honestly alive? I'm no scientist or biologist but someone has to know that answer.

[SokothQultuq]

I'd be willing to vote for you in order to find out.

That is your prerogative. But I don't think you want to do that, you might regret it later. 8-)

[Epignosis]

You know it came up briefly but it seemed like it was a topic that was either ignored but seems to be a reoccurring theme question... Are Cylons good or bad? Do they have the capacity to be either or? Are they simply just a program or more? I'm curious what some of you think. Are Cylons inherently bad because they cannot think beyond programming? Or are they truly evolved?

It might make me looked down on but I feel like they could be either. I believe that if they've learned to think like true artificial intelligence then they can also learn to think for themselves. If they can show compassion and love. Think for themselves and make decisions then perhaps they are not all bad. At what point do we set aside our anger and hate for these things and see them for what they are. Alive. But who makes that decision? Are Cylons or at least the models that look, think, and act like humans are they alive? Do they meet the scientific criteria for something that is honestly alive? I'm no scientist or biologist but someone has to know that answer.

[SokothQultuq]

You know it came up briefly but it seemed like it was a topic that was either ignored but seems to be a reoccurring theme question... Are Cylons good or bad? Do they have the capacity to be either or? Are they simply just a program or more? I'm curious what some of you think. Are Cylons inherently bad because they cannot think beyond programming? Or are they truly evolved?

It might make me looked down on but I feel like they could be either. I believe that if they've learned to think like true artificial intelligence then they can also learn to think for themselves. If they can show compassion and love. Think for themselves and make decisions then perhaps they are not all bad. At what point do we set aside our anger and hate for these things and see them for what they are. Alive. But who makes that decision? Are Cylons or at least the models that look, think, and act like humans are they alive? Do they meet the scientific criteria for something that is honestly alive? I'm no scientist or biologist but someone has to know that answer.

LOLOLOL You think?

[Epignosis]

I don't see how you think this topic was ignored.

[G-Man]

Awful period for the Penguins. Nothing seems to be clicking despite that goal.

Back to the votes. Long Con gets out to a 2-goal lead and then Matt votes Zebra. The next two votes come in for Nutella (SVS and SW respectively). All of a sudden we've got ourselves a fairly clear three-horse race.

The votes that look strangest from here on out based purely by looking at the vote order are:

#11- sig votes sideways for a Epi who hadn't picked up any votes because he was or seemed unlynchable with the rezz ships in play.

#12- Long Con doesn't vote to help himself but rather votes for sig. I'll have to check my spreadsheet for his reasonging (i'm on my smartphone and only took picks of my vote tracking) but I think it had something to do with sig voting for Epi. In fairness, sig's vote was weird.

#14- Scotty's vote could look like a bus attempt to help put Nutella well into the lead but I'll have to check my notes for his reasoning.

#15- Bea casts a sideways vote for LoRab. It's in the middle of the pack and maybe she assumed the Nutella train was going to run away with it. Timing wise and big picture wise, it does stand out a little.


#18- Polo casts a mid-to-late sideways vote for a self-voter that no one is paying attention to.

#19- SD's vote could do one of two things. It either brings Long Con within one vote of Nutella to play up momentum on that train or it's designed to put the kibosh on any Zebra train momentum after Rico's vote there. Or it could be both. Either way, it is notable especially given her tone.

#22- JJJ ties this race up. Always a gutsy call to create a tie so late into the voting.

#23- DF votes for Zebra. An attempt to reignite that alternative or just avoiding breaking the tie?

#26- Glorfindel votes last and bring LC within one, opening the reults up to shenanigans if certain roles are in play.

That's a lot of potential votes to examine and it's just my opinion. I need to look at my notes for vote reasons and other sus lines. I'd do it now but hockey.

[Golden]

A two-goal lead...

Good multi-tasking, G-Man

[Spacedaisy]

TLDR post coming your way. I'm afraid of screwing up the spoiler tags so I'm leaving huge quotes in it. Sorry in advance. I'm posting what I have so far and will come back to answer some more in a bit, just figured I would stop this lengthy post here so as not to overwhelm anyone, which I expect it will anyway, lol.

Lynch me. You are all fraking wrong about me, I'm very much human. But please do lynch me, I have zero desire to play this anymore. And I would like to see Silverwolfs smug comments she will scramble to make when it's proven to be the case. So lynch me next.

I would not rather do this. I'd rather you play the game with me. The fact that this is the second time I've asked you to play the game with me - is more damning to me than what anyone else says. ISO me if you think for one dumb second I haven't already reached out to you.

so for the second time - I ask you -how can I help you? What can we do to get on the same page? Every time you ignore me - I think that you are bad more.

You said here this was the second time you asked me this, but I can't see where the first is, so I'm sorry if I am missing this. I realize you felt like I was ignoring you, but I assure you this post and whatever previous one you made toward me, I missed them completely. You see, I came in and made my vote for LC, which I will gladly explain what everyone views as "fencey" in a minute. But after my vote, MP and I went to grocery shop. I came back and started catching up and saw where SW just said, "Daisy's bad" which probably would have only merited a from me normally, but then like three or four people it seemed rolled in right after her just completely agreeing. So I quoted and began to respond, but when I went to post I saw the lynch flip. I was already upset with SW, which I will not address here, because frankly, it's not game relevant and I do not wish to discuss it further because it likely only upset me again. Anyway, I ditched my previous post and posted my throw my hands in the air post because at that point I was upset and realizing I was not enjoying this game as a result. So I just wanted out. I regret my just lynch me post, not because I am excited to play now (I agreed to give it another shot for Golden and hope that I can indeed recapture my enjoyment) but because I am not an emotional person but I definitely was having an emotional response. I am thankful I didn't say everything I wanted to say, because trust me it would likely have been an earful and I would have really regretted it. So I apologize to you all. There is more at play here than just this game to get me that upset, but I don't feel like giving out my personal Rl issues in a thread. No offense.

As to this post, I don't recall saying no one or you had not reached out to me. I also don't know what you mean about helping me get on the same page as you. Are you asking me for a defense of myself? Are you asking me to tell you what I am struggling to understand? Because I think I have sorted a lot of my questions regarding the sorties and some game mechanics I wasn't getting. I think as far as anything else my explanation of my vote and the post everyone took objection to may answer this question, but I'm not sure that there is something you can do about it.

Lynch me. You are all fraking wrong about me, I'm very much human. But please do lynch me, I have zero desire to play this anymore. And I would like to see Silverwolfs smug comments she will scramble to make when it's proven to be the case. So lynch me next.

Actually, I'm more interested in LoRab. I am also worried you have been hanging out with your husband too much. I expect a lot less emotional response from you. I find you to be a very level headed lady. Take the night.

SD's husband plays? How have I never known this?

You've been away, she married MovingPictures. It was beautiful.

BR, I really appreciate this. Though it is nothing to do with time spent with MP. There were some RL issues involved that have made me a bit less emotionally stable this week. MP has been a rock for me, though I think my constant feeling of general shittiness about myself as a result of the RL stuff and the emotional response I had here is a little upsetting to him.

Lynch me. You are all fraking wrong about me, I'm very much human. But please do lynch me, I have zero desire to play this anymore. And I would like to see Silverwolfs smug comments she will scramble to make when it's proven to be the case. So lynch me next.

Actually, I'm more interested in LoRab. I am also worried you have been hanging out with your husband too much. I expect a lot less emotional response from you. I find you to be a very level headed lady. Take the night.

SD's husband plays? How have I never known this?

You've been away, she married MovingPictures. It was beautiful.

OMG. That's so awesome! Mafia luv! Congrats you two!

Thanks

Lynch me. You are all fraking wrong about me, I'm very much human. But please do lynch me, I have zero desire to play this anymore. And I would like to see Silverwolfs smug comments she will scramble to make when it's proven to be the case. So lynch me next.

We're twenty minutes into the night phase. It's not as though lynching you is a foregone conclusion. What is all this?

Having to listen to Silverwolfs bullsuit about me for the next 72 hours is a foregone conclusion. I'm just over this.

so..um...again...I say....

Lynch me. You are all fraking wrong about me, I'm very much human. But please do lynch me, I have zero desire to play this anymore. And I would like to see Silverwolfs smug comments she will scramble to make when it's proven to be the case. So lynch me next.

I would not rather do this. I'd rather you play the game with me. The fact that this is the second time I've asked you to play the game with me - is more damning to me than what anyone else says. ISO me if you think for one dumb second I haven't already reached out to you.

so for the second time - I ask you -how can I help you? What can we do to get on the same page? Every time you ignore me - I think that you are bad more.

IDK maybe you are that fed up - but it srrsly feels to me like you are cornered baddie. Because of your rank here on our forum and because I truely can't believe that if you felt that bad about the amount of invlovement or exepecation you had in the game - you wouldn't have gone to the MOD.

Because this is now the 3RD time i've asked you to talk to me and you only address the wrongs you feel you had from silver - I have to call shenanagans. again - I give you every opportunity to prove me wrong, but I doubt you will.

I'm a low flying fruit after all...

I actually did go to the mod. And to the host as well. It was not me acting as a cornered baddie, though I can understand why you would think that. But I have a lot more cool and composure than that. The only time recently people have thought me to be having an emotional response (against llama and ika actually in Downton) they were actually incorrectly reading my emotional state. It's understandable that they do, but I'll give you some insight here. I'm not an emotional person. The one emotion that does manifest is frustration. Frustration does not equal anger for me. And I also am a stubborn person who enjoys a good debate. (Some people think I fake emotional outburst but it's because they incorrectly identify my frustration and engaging in heated debate as emotional outburst, I do not fake emotional outburst) Llama and ika were wrong about my alignment and I found the logic underlying the case for me there to be flawed and I argued with them, and showed some frustration. But I was nowhere near an emotional response. What happened here in thisgame was a very real emotional outburst, a culmination of in thread frustration, anger at certain things that had occurred and real life situations causing a great deal of emotional turmoil as well. It is not my norm and I am ashamed of it frankly. I don't know what you wish for me to do to prove anything to you, I can only lay it out there as it is and let you be the judge.

Ok, I'm uncomfortable with all these candidates. Of all of them LC is the only one I had any slight suspicion of, but he wouldn't even have made my list. But I feel even less suspect of the other leading candidates. In particular Nutella, I'm not seeing baddie Nutella, though she could be fooling me I suppose. Anyway, I guess I'm voting LC.

Vote: Long Con

Really, why vote Long Con if he hasn't even made your list?

Because he was the one I had come closest to suspecting. I had never put him on my list because the things that I saw as possibly suspicious I could also explain with civ reasons. Thus I had not felt comfortable adding him to a list. the other leader, Nutella is the reason everyone really suspects me right now. Let me explain something. There has been a LOT of conversation regarding using your meta knowledge of a player to inform your decision about whether you trust them or not. I was (and still am) missing out on a 25 page chunk of posting in the middle of the game. I can usually read Nutella fairly well, but it takes me a few days to get a handle on it. The word everyone kept using to describe her was "inconsistent" and in my experience when I feel like Nutella is inconsistent or seems flip floppy or blendy, it is a good sign of civ Nutella. It is when she is more confident and self assured in her votes and opinions that usually indicates to me that she is bad. Now, I was basing my belief on how everyone was describing her, because I had not fully caught up and seen it for myself. For this reason and for the fact that I am fully aware that a player can fake their meta once they know their tells (and I am certain she does) I was not fully sure my assessment was correct. It was not because I knew she would flip bad, it's because I just was not certain, but based on what little I was hearing I would go with civ. also, I was was way way off on my reads in the start of Downton, so I do not feel all that confident in general.

[Spacedaisy]

There was 1 post in particular of SD's that had caught my eye quite a while ago when reading it. I found it here. It may not be much, but it stood out when I originally read it. Here's a link to it, if anyone wants to get context: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 04#p275104

She had spent most of her posts up to this point being confused and excusing herself, and so forth, then I find this post interesting. She talks briefly about being confused about searching for res ships, but not really understanding the mechanics of it or anything.

And then later, she talks in detail about how LC could have been sabotaging our plan, because he's done that in the past as a baddie. But... I thought she didn't understand the whole res ship thing at all? (Also there were at least 2 times she mentioned something about me being "in charge of" or "directing" the sorties. Which didn't sit right either, because I feel I'm neither of those things. )


(Peachy pink color is what I used to highlight the sections that struck me as slightly disingenuous)

I have basically been able to read the last ten to fifteen pages or so, nothing really before that and I have t gotten to even reading Golden's posts.

Here are some quick thoughts:

Silver for someone who seemed pretty upset at not getting understanding from others about their RL interfering with their ability to playthegame you seem hell bent on painting me as bad. I would ask you to consider the fact that I started this game by missing like the first 40 pages of posts. I a, struggling to understand a lot and trying to keep upwiththe current stuff alone is hindering me from being able to get a handle on the stuff that has happened before I was able to actually play which is informing a lot of the opinions flying around. Additionally, I don't get what is going onwiththis mission.

I understand that we are searching for res ships, I don't understand how. I take it I did is in charge, but is she always and why? Also, different people are slotted into times to announce a sector in a grid, why those times? Does this require to post it at an exact time or something? Golden mentioned Kat and Hot Dog coming back alive, does this mean there is a chance they will not come back alive? Aren't they roles that are actively being occupied by players?

Linki @ Lorab: I didn't play either of those, but it seems to me Scocub had a game chock full of secret events at one point... Can't remember though. Either that or Jason Maher's Mystery Mafia, which I didn't play either, sadly, I wanted to but couldn't.

Anyway, I would really ask you cut a bit of slack here, I'm not laying low to hide, I'm not a non-contributor type. I'm really trying to get my feet under me. If you can't respect that, then whatever.

Regarding LC, I could absolutely see him trying to move us away from a ship by using a weakness in the plan as an excuse to choose somewhere else. I've seen him do it before in Fight Club. He tried to deter us from using a plan to protect us from our actions getting messed with by a member who had been recruited. He had already been recruited. That said though, I can also say I think as a cov he would do exactly what he has done. And him sidetracking us for one sortie can't explain the whole thing derailing for a few searches. He could have no idea what the person after him would do, right? I could see him doing this as a bad ploy, or I could see him doing it as a concerned civ. hard to say which it actually is.

Now I am going to grocery shop and when I come back I'm going to try to actually read all the stuff I missed earlier... Try being the operative word.

I don't know, something about this just didn't sit right. Partly about the layout of the post too. I remember talking about post layout as a baddie before in BTSC. How couching something with some OT can be helpful when you need to slip in a nefarious morsel. And that's exactly what happened when she started actually talking in detail about the sorties and LC.

There was stuff I didn't understand, such as the technical how of the game. I knew we were slotted in at certain times, what I wasn't sure about it was it like, post it at this exact time, or you are just SOL and miss it until the next slot. It was difficult to tell from what I had read so far. Also, I was unsure if Gooden had instituted some kind of hierarchy for how it was supposed to work since it seemed like you were in charge, I was just trying to sort it out so when I volunteered, I knew I understood it fully and didn't fuck it all up. The reason I understood what had happened with LC did (which frankly is not all that complicated) was because someone had just spelled it out in a post which I was responding to. It is not that confusing to understand that LC jumped out of the agreed upon pattern, which if it had gone on as planned would have located the ship much earlier than we did. I never questioned this pattern that I recall, just was trying to understand the mechanics I might need to know if I was going to join in.

[Long Con]

A two-goal lead...

Good multi-tasking, G-Man

Go Con Go!

[Silverwolf]

I was already upset with SW, which I will not address here, because frankly, it's not game relevant and I do not wish to discuss it further because it likely only upset me again.

I have no freaking idea what the fuck I could possibly have ever done to you but if this isn't game relevant and discussing it will only upset you further, why the hell bring it up at all? I haven't even barely addressed you here or anywhere else.

I really don't appreciate this. I didn't do shit to you but you are taking whatever your issue is with me out on the game and I'm not gonna put up with it.

You either talk to me post game about it or leave it alone and don't bring it into a game where I've already gotten a shit ton of crap as it is.

You don't have to worry about it though Daisy. I doubt I'll continue playing here after this game is up so you can just suffer with me until then.

[Long Con]

It is not that confusing to understand that LC jumped out of the agreed upon pattern, which if it had gone on as planned would have located the ship much earlier than we did. I never questioned this pattern that I recall, just was trying to understand the mechanics I might need to know if I was going to join in.

Not much earlier. Six hours earlier. No real difference at all.

[Scotty]

You don't have to worry about it though Daisy. I doubt I'll continue playing here after this game is up so you can just suffer with me until then.

[Spacedaisy]

Lynch me. You are all fraking wrong about me, I'm very much human. But please do lynch me, I have zero desire to play this anymore. And I would like to see Silverwolfs smug comments she will scramble to make when it's proven to be the case. So lynch me next.

We're twenty minutes into the night phase. It's not as though lynching you is a foregone conclusion. What is all this?

Having to listen to Silverwolfs bullsuit about me for the next 72 hours is a foregone conclusion. I'm just over this.

If this is just frustration over her then forget about it, I'm not contributing to your lynch over that. She and ika (especially ika) are extremely stubborn with their opinions, this is just something that you accept and get used to over time.

Her response to me was over the top. I have barely interacted with her at all. And yeah, aren't you the one who argued with ika for hours in that last heist game where you were both town. I don't see any evidence of me harassing Daisy in any way this game or any evidence that I'm going to do so for the next 72 hours. I won't be emotionally bullied into not suspecting her though but she won't be the only one I look at. Hell, today I won't even be here most of the day as I already said I'm undergoing a minor surgical procedure. But whatever, there is no cause for Daisy to act this way to me and I hope she feels better soon. I know what it's like to get upset in a game but I never did anything to draw her ire except make a comment I thought she was bad which Black Rock agree'd with. I"m bothered that you would just agree with her without investigating this further or make yet another comment about ika/myself playstyle which we get so much crap about both of us have considered leaving this site before. Luckily, I'm really liking this game, so I'm here.

Silverwolf, I would be happy to discuss exactly what you did in this game that upset me, after it is over and via private message but I will say this: i do not appreciate you calling me an emotional bully and it is a completely inaccurate representation of what was going on, I was sincerely upset and wanted out of the game. This is the last I will say on this topic in thread, if you wish to resolve the personal conflict here we can take it to private message after the game, which is the appropriate way to deal with conflict of this nature. Also, you are welcome to suspect me, vote for me, whatever the heck you want. I fully expect to be lynch suspect number one, but whatever. I don't really care.

[SokothQultuq]

This is starting to spiral.... quickly.

[Spacedaisy]

3J has also shown little to zero interest in helping with the Rezz ships, unless he was lecturing Long Con for participating.

indi - I really don't know about SW, I had a clear "townie" feeling on her until I read those words of hers...I'm really liking this game. From my pov, that has not been the case at all.

Matt, I have already heard from Mp who has been somewhat following the game in this night phase that there is some drama that comes out of this accusation. I realize this will seem odd, given what has just happened with me and SW, but let me say one thing about SW is just because the game upsets her in the moment she is usually good about moving on from conflict or offense fairly well and fairly quickly. I appreciate that about her and hope it can lead to some resolution between she and I after game as well, because it is a trait I respect about her. Given this fact, I highly doubt that her outbursts in game, reflect her opinion of the game overall. She is quite capable of being pissed at someone for a bit, coming to an understanding, and moving on to enjoy the game. I've seen it. So I doubt there is anything really in this accusation.

[Golden]

PRETZELS

JaggedJimmyJay was sitting in the mess. In front of him, on the table, was the colonies' last surviving pretzel.

"If I was to eat this pretzel" said Jay "then I would be dooming it's kind to extinction. On the other hand, this pretzel looks so good. Pretzels were my favourite foodstuff back on Virgon." He went on like this for some time. Everyone was looking at him funny.

Epignosis walked in. "Dude, you are just tying yourself in knots." he said. And then he ate the pretzel. What a lovable...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Indiglo had been summoned to the airlock. When she arrived, something seemed odd. She couldn't quite put her finger on it. Then she had a sudden realisation! It was...

*Indiglo was sucked out of the airlock*

Indiglo has died. It is now Day three. This period will last 48 hours. The Galactica has jumped clear of the influence of black holes.

[Glorfindel]

I can't remember a Mafia game with so many upset and unhappy people in it. I'm in no way diminishing the gravity or the seriousness of real life experiences that we all face but despite my new Badass persona, my heart goes out to you all

[Golden]

A new law has been passed.

Cylon Amnesty Act: Any person may publicly admit to being a cylon and, if the declaration is true, they will have immunity from the lynch for that day. Once a person has outed themselves as a cylon, they cannot do it a second time.

[Glorfindel]

So Say We All!

My apologies to our host - my previous post was not meant to be made post-EoD and was clearly meant to be 'off topic'.