Battlestar Galactica Mafia - GAME OVER

[Silverwolf]

He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.

You are wrong. Wilgy and Glorf are cylons. What are the odds they are both good? Especially if I'm to believe Wilgy is good, then Glorf is almost certainly not. So yes, Glorf needs to claim or die. He needs to tell me straight up why he isn't claiming if he chooses not to. Glorf is hiding among the nonclaimers and we need to get him out.

This is really very simple and if you still don't get it, then I'm not wasting time explaining it again to you. I'm hoping others will see it and vote accordingly.

[a2thezebra]

He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.

You are wrong. Wilgy and Glorf are cylons. What are the odds they are both good? Especially if I'm to believe Wilgy is good, then Glorf is almost certainly not. So yes, Glorf needs to claim or die. He needs to tell me straight up why he isn't claiming if he chooses not to. Glorf is hiding among the nonclaimers and we need to get him out.

This is really very simple and if you still don't get it, then I'm not wasting time explaining it again to you. I'm hoping others will see it and vote accordingly.

Nothing is simple. That's probably why you think this is something that you can just make people "get" by pretending opinions are facts.

[Silverwolf]

He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.

You are wrong. Wilgy and Glorf are cylons. What are the odds they are both good? Especially if I'm to believe Wilgy is good, then Glorf is almost certainly not. So yes, Glorf needs to claim or die. He needs to tell me straight up why he isn't claiming if he chooses not to. Glorf is hiding among the nonclaimers and we need to get him out.

This is really very simple and if you still don't get it, then I'm not wasting time explaining it again to you. I'm hoping others will see it and vote accordingly.

Nothing is simple. That's probably why you think this is something that you can just make people "get" by pretending opinions are facts.

If you are town, you are gonna lose the game for us.

[G-Man]

He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.

You are wrong. Wilgy and Glorf are cylons. What are the odds they are both good? Especially if I'm to believe Wilgy is good, then Glorf is almost certainly not. So yes, Glorf needs to claim or die. He needs to tell me straight up why he isn't claiming if he chooses not to. Glorf is hiding among the nonclaimers and we need to get him out.

This is really very simple and if you still don't get it, then I'm not wasting time explaining it again to you. I'm hoping others will see it and vote accordingly.

Nothing is simple. That's probably why you think this is something that you can just make people "get" by pretending opinions are facts.

And what facts do you have suggesting that neither Wilgy or Glorfindel are bad? We already know that Wilgy is a Toaster. What info do you have pointing to him being civ-aligned? What facts are available to us suggesting that Glorfindel is good? You're just as opinion-heavy as anyone else, so please drop some facts on me.

[Glorfindel]

He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.

You are wrong. Wilgy and Glorf are cylons. What are the odds they are both good? Especially if I'm to believe Wilgy is good, then Glorf is almost certainly not. So yes, Glorf needs to claim or die. He needs to tell me straight up why he isn't claiming if he chooses not to. Glorf is hiding among the nonclaimers and we need to get him out.

This is really very simple and if you still don't get it, then I'm not wasting time explaining it again to you. I'm hoping others will see it and vote accordingly.

SilverWolf - I have been honest, open and entirely transparent with you all about my alignment all game. I have indicated both directly and indirectly where my loyalties lie. If that doesn't satisfy you, then that is your problem, not mine.

[Glorfindel]

He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.

My dearest Zebs Amongst all the players here, no one makes me laugh like you do. No one makes me want to stand up and cheer like you do. It's comforting for me to know that someone in this game ACTUALLY gets what is going on here.

You were wrong though with what you said before about Sig. I couldn't be more convinced that he is Town. I spoke to you about that. You hold an opposite view. I respect that. You're wrong, but I can still respect your opinion.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.

You are wrong. Wilgy and Glorf are cylons. What are the odds they are both good? Especially if I'm to believe Wilgy is good, then Glorf is almost certainly not. So yes, Glorf needs to claim or die. He needs to tell me straight up why he isn't claiming if he chooses not to. Glorf is hiding among the nonclaimers and we need to get him out.

This is really very simple and if you still don't get it, then I'm not wasting time explaining it again to you. I'm hoping others will see it and vote accordingly.

SilverWolf - I have been honest, open and entirely transparent with you all about my alignment all game. I have indicated both directly and indirectly where my loyalties lie. If that doesn't satisfy you, then that is your problem, not mine.

You're defending yourself again. Losing points.

[Ricochet]

He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.

My dearest Zebs Amongst all the players here, no one makes me laugh like you do. No one makes me want to stand up and cheer like you do. It's comforting for me to know that someone in this game ACTUALLY gets what is going on here.

You were wrong though with what you said before about Sig. I couldn't be more convinced that he is Town. I spoke to you about that. You hold an opposite view. I respect that. You're wrong, but I can still respect your opinion.

More support pleases
for I too find sig can prove
himself after all.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

More support pleases
for I too find sig can prove
himself after all.

I don't speak haiku, is this a pro-sig post or not a pro-sig post?

[a2thezebra]

He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.

You are wrong. Wilgy and Glorf are cylons. What are the odds they are both good? Especially if I'm to believe Wilgy is good, then Glorf is almost certainly not. So yes, Glorf needs to claim or die. He needs to tell me straight up why he isn't claiming if he chooses not to. Glorf is hiding among the nonclaimers and we need to get him out.

This is really very simple and if you still don't get it, then I'm not wasting time explaining it again to you. I'm hoping others will see it and vote accordingly.

Nothing is simple. That's probably why you think this is something that you can just make people "get" by pretending opinions are facts.

And what facts do you have suggesting that neither Wilgy or Glorfindel are bad? We already know that Wilgy is a Toaster. What info do you have pointing to him being civ-aligned? What facts are available to us suggesting that Glorfindel is good? You're just as opinion-heavy as anyone else, so please drop some facts on me.

My personal read of them is totally irrelevant. I don't know if either of them are good or not (though I'm inclined to think at least one of them is) but I do know that we will not be successful lynching either of them. I'm not obligated to hand out the facts behind it like candy when for one, I haven't promised any facts or pretended that I've already offered any, and two, I haven't elaborated on why I believe this for a reason.

[a2thezebra]

He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.

My dearest Zebs Amongst all the players here, no one makes me laugh like you do. No one makes me want to stand up and cheer like you do. It's comforting for me to know that someone in this game ACTUALLY gets what is going on here.

You were wrong though with what you said before about Sig. I couldn't be more convinced that he is Town. I spoke to you about that. You hold an opposite view. I respect that. You're wrong, but I can still respect your opinion.

Haha, that's sweet. That means something yo.

And actually you're wrong, but I can still respect your opinion too. :P

[a2thezebra]

He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.

You are wrong. Wilgy and Glorf are cylons. What are the odds they are both good? Especially if I'm to believe Wilgy is good, then Glorf is almost certainly not. So yes, Glorf needs to claim or die. He needs to tell me straight up why he isn't claiming if he chooses not to. Glorf is hiding among the nonclaimers and we need to get him out.

This is really very simple and if you still don't get it, then I'm not wasting time explaining it again to you. I'm hoping others will see it and vote accordingly.

SilverWolf - I have been honest, open and entirely transparent with you all about my alignment all game. I have indicated both directly and indirectly where my loyalties lie. If that doesn't satisfy you, then that is your problem, not mine.

You're defending yourself again. Losing points.

You...have played with Glorfindel before, right?

[a2thezebra]

First option, sig. Second option, Vompatti. Third option, ObscureAllure.

The options that have been mentioned the most are shit options.

[Vompatti]

Shit is always a good option.

[a2thezebra]

Shit is always a good option.

What's your option?

[Ricochet]

More support pleases
for I too find sig can prove
himself after all.

I don't speak haiku, is this a pro-sig post or not a pro-sig post?

Tis a plead to see
the good in him that could be
even if odds dissent

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You...have played with Glorfindel before, right?

No. I don't really care about his meta anyway. I do think he has seemed quite genuine at face value and that's a good thing. He pledged to stop doing this though and if that pledge isn't honored it's a problem. I want suspects, Glorfindel.

[Ricochet]

He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.

You are wrong. Wilgy and Glorf are cylons. What are the odds they are both good? Especially if I'm to believe Wilgy is good, then Glorf is almost certainly not. So yes, Glorf needs to claim or die. He needs to tell me straight up why he isn't claiming if he chooses not to. Glorf is hiding among the nonclaimers and we need to get him out.

This is really very simple and if you still don't get it, then I'm not wasting time explaining it again to you. I'm hoping others will see it and vote accordingly.

Nothing is simple. That's probably why you think this is something that you can just make people "get" by pretending opinions are facts.

And what facts do you have suggesting that neither Wilgy or Glorfindel are bad? We already know that Wilgy is a Toaster. What info do you have pointing to him being civ-aligned? What facts are available to us suggesting that Glorfindel is good? You're just as opinion-heavy as anyone else, so please drop some facts on me.

My personal read of them is totally irrelevant. I don't know if either of them are good or not (though I'm inclined to think at least one of them is) but I do know that we will not be successful lynching either of them. I'm not obligated to hand out the facts behind it like candy when for one, I haven't promised any facts or pretended that I've already offered any, and two, I haven't elaborated on why I believe this for a reason.

Insuccess you speak
how, if Wilgy can die now;
is he another?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

More support pleases
for I too find sig can prove
himself after all.

I don't speak haiku, is this a pro-sig post or not a pro-sig post?

Tis a plead to see
the good in him that could be
even if odds dissent

I think I understand. I'm compiling a full ISO analysis for sig right now.

[a2thezebra]

You...have played with Glorfindel before, right?

No. I don't really care about his meta anyway. I do think he has seemed quite genuine at face value and that's a good thing. He pledged to stop doing this though and if that pledge isn't honored it's a problem. I want suspects, Glorfindel.

Stop doing what? Defending himself?

[G-Man]

A2thezebra, what I gather from your posts is that you have jack on either Glorfindel or Wilgy and are merely stating your opinions as facts, which is lazy at best.

Linki JJJ: I concur. He's almost as bad as I am at presenting player reads in a timely manner.

For realz yo- make with the sus list already.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You...have played with Glorfindel before, right?

No. I don't really care about his meta anyway. I do think he has seemed quite genuine at face value and that's a good thing. He pledged to stop doing this though and if that pledge isn't honored it's a problem. I want suspects, Glorfindel.

Stop doing what? Defending himself?

Yes.

[Vompatti]

Shit is always a good option.

What's your option?

I dunno k

[a2thezebra]

A2thezebra, what I gather from your posts is that you have jack on either Glorfindel or Wilgy and are merely stating your opinions as facts, which is lazy at best.

Gather what you will but that's a load of bullshit and you know it. I have not once claimed that anything I have said in this thread is factually true, and I have no given reason for anyone to believe that I desire to give off that impression. If you have an issue with my play style take it up with the mods please, I'm not adjusting it because you think it's "lazy at best" give me a fucking break.

[a2thezebra]

You...have played with Glorfindel before, right?

No. I don't really care about his meta anyway. I do think he has seemed quite genuine at face value and that's a good thing. He pledged to stop doing this though and if that pledge isn't honored it's a problem. I want suspects, Glorfindel.

Stop doing what? Defending himself?

Yes.

[a2thezebra]

And you think it looks bad for him that he seems incapable of following through with that?

[a2thezebra]

Shit is always a good option.

What's your option?

I dunno k

Are you going to self-vote?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And you think it looks bad for him that he seems incapable of following through with that?

I don't think it looks good. If you don't think there's a valid inspiration for that assertion, you've never played Mafia before.

[Ricochet]

"Take it with mods";
such a stingy mingy mood
heaven can wait now

[a2thezebra]

And you think it looks bad for him that he seems incapable of following through with that?

I don't think it looks good. If you don't think there's a valid inspiration for that assertion, you've never played Mafia before.

If you think there are any, and I mean any, absolutes in this game, then you've never played Mafia before.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And you think it looks bad for him that he seems incapable of following through with that?

I don't think it looks good. If you don't think there's a valid inspiration for that assertion, you've never played Mafia before.

If you think there are any, and I mean any, absolutes in this game, then you've never played Mafia before.

That's a thing I didn't say. Read.

[a2thezebra]

Meta is the only thing to go on in this game for town to hunt baddies with, and even that is extremely flimsy even at its most useful. The game is naturally designed in favor of mafia because of this, because less is more here and no one should be left unquestioned. That's it.

linki - I know that's not what you said. I read what you said. I said something else to respond to it. Read.

[Vompatti]

Shit is always a good option.

What's your option?

I dunno k

Are you going to self-vote?

Most definitely NOT, unless I end up randomizing.

[a2thezebra]

I am seriously fed up with people implying or saying that I'm not paying attention when the same people give me the same treatment, it's getting old.

[a2thezebra]

Shit is always a good option.

What's your option?

I dunno k

Are you going to self-vote?

Most definitely NOT, unless I end up randomizing.

Are you thinking about randomizing? Why don't you vote now?

[G-Man]

A2thezebra, what I gather from your posts is that you have jack on either Glorfindel or Wilgy and are merely stating your opinions as facts, which is lazy at best.

Gather what you will but that's a load of bullshit and you know it. I have not once claimed that anything I have said in this thread is factually true, and I have no given reason for anyone to believe that I desire to give off that impression. If you have an issue with my play style take it up with the mods please, I'm not adjusting it because you think it's "lazy at best" give me a fucking break.

Aww what? You get defensive when someone is as blunt with you as you are to others. Let me call the waaambulance for you.

At least start your opinions with "I think" or "I feel" instead of making everything seem like a declarative statement.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am seriously fed up with people implying or saying that I'm not paying attention when the same people give me the same treatment, it's getting old.

I don't give a shit. If you're going to spend Day 6 insulting everyone then you get what you get.

[G-Man]

I am seriously fed up with people implying or saying that I'm not paying attention when the same people give me the same treatment, it's getting old.

I don't give a shit. If you're going to spend Day 6 insulting everyone then you get what you get.

...and you don't get upset.

[Vompatti]

Shit is always a good option.

What's your option?

I dunno k

Are you going to self-vote?

Most definitely NOT, unless I end up randomizing.

Are you thinking about randomizing? Why don't you vote now?

I don't have my lucky coins at hand and I can't find them with the lights off.

[a2thezebra]

A2thezebra, what I gather from your posts is that you have jack on either Glorfindel or Wilgy and are merely stating your opinions as facts, which is lazy at best.

Gather what you will but that's a load of bullshit and you know it. I have not once claimed that anything I have said in this thread is factually true, and I have no given reason for anyone to believe that I desire to give off that impression. If you have an issue with my play style take it up with the mods please, I'm not adjusting it because you think it's "lazy at best" give me a fucking break.

Aww what? You get defensive when someone is as blunt with you as you are to others. Let me call the waaambulance for you.

At least start your opinions with "I think" or "I feel" instead of making everything seem like a declarative statement.

I'm blunt with others in terms of how I read them. I do not judge their play style or criticize how they approach the game. That's when I get "defensive" and that's when I get pissed off.

[a2thezebra]

I am seriously fed up with people implying or saying that I'm not paying attention when the same people give me the same treatment, it's getting old.

I don't give a shit. If you're going to spend Day 6 insulting everyone then you get what you get.

Since you called for Glorfindel to pull up some examples, I would love to see a direct quotation of a single instance where I insulted anyone, let alone everyone.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am seriously fed up with people implying or saying that I'm not paying attention when the same people give me the same treatment, it's getting old.

I don't give a shit. If you're going to spend Day 6 insulting everyone then you get what you get.

Since you called for Glorfindel to pull up some examples, I would love to see a direct quotation of a single instance where I insulted anyone, let alone everyone.

Maybe I'll waste my time on that after I'm finished ISOing sig.

[a2thezebra]

Shit is always a good option.

What's your option?

I dunno k

Are you going to self-vote?

Most definitely NOT, unless I end up randomizing.

Are you thinking about randomizing? Why don't you vote now?

I don't have my lucky coins at hand and I can't find them with the lights off.

Shucks.

[a2thezebra]

I am seriously fed up with people implying or saying that I'm not paying attention when the same people give me the same treatment, it's getting old.

I don't give a shit. If you're going to spend Day 6 insulting everyone then you get what you get.

Since you called for Glorfindel to pull up some examples, I would love to see a direct quotation of a single instance where I insulted anyone, let alone everyone.

Maybe I'll waste my time on that after I'm finished ISOing sig.

The hypocrisy here is just insane. Waste your time? I never say things like that. You were giving me attitude way back in Talking Heads all because I suspected you for acting different than the way I was used to you from previous RYM games. The way you were acting different? You were kinder and more patient with people. My apologies for playing a game and not letting you run everyone over.

[Ricochet]

Level of discourse now;
image representation

[Vompatti]

I am completely agree with the above.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The hypocrisy here is just insane. Waste your time? I never say things like that. You were giving me attitude way back in Talking Heads all because I suspected you for acting different than the way I was used to you from previous RYM games. The way you were acting different? You were kinder and more patient with people. My apologies for playing a game and not letting you run everyone over.

You just flooded the page with laughter emojis because you disagreed with a read I made. That's insulting. I'm not talking about this any further unless it's to the MoD.

[Glorfindel]

He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.

You are wrong. Wilgy and Glorf are cylons. What are the odds they are both good? Especially if I'm to believe Wilgy is good, then Glorf is almost certainly not. So yes, Glorf needs to claim or die. He needs to tell me straight up why he isn't claiming if he chooses not to. Glorf is hiding among the nonclaimers and we need to get him out.

This is really very simple and if you still don't get it, then I'm not wasting time explaining it again to you. I'm hoping others will see it and vote accordingly.

SilverWolf - I have been honest, open and entirely transparent with you all about my alignment all game. I have indicated both directly and indirectly where my loyalties lie. If that doesn't satisfy you, then that is your problem, not mine.

You're defending yourself again. Losing points.

No, my friend I am not defending. There is a subtle difference between defending and answering a legitimate question (or blatant threat if one could be forgiven for interpreting it that way). Please don't worry I am at work at the moment and will post what you asked at lunch time (hopefully). I've looked at the DrWilgy case and have a new perspective on that (I'm inclined to move him over to a mild Town-lean) and I will give you my Mafia suspects then. Thank you in advance for your patience.

[a2thezebra]

What a soapy page. Sorry everyone, I'll ask for a replacement and the game can be tranquil and all that good stuff.

linki - I'm sorry I express my disagreement via flood. People can criticize both my play style and my character incessantly but if I express disagreement with too many emojis well then that's just going too far. As much as I love you guys, I really don't understand this community's double standards sometimes and it's frustrating and stressful. I'm taking a break.

[S~V~S]

A2thezebra, what I gather from your posts is that you have jack on either Glorfindel or Wilgy and are merely stating your opinions as facts, which is lazy at best.

Gather what you will but that's a load of bullshit and you know it. I have not once claimed that anything I have said in this thread is factually true, and I have no given reason for anyone to believe that I desire to give off that impression. If you have an issue with my play style take it up with the mods please, I'm not adjusting it because you think it's "lazy at best" give me a fucking break.

As a mod, I am gonna say I disagree here. Playstyle critique is a way to gauge suspicion. If I am modding a game, and someone complains to me about a playstyle that is NOT mean or disrespectful, I tell them to pound dirt (very politely & nicely).

HOWEVER, also as a game mod (putting on mod hat)



Lets all take a deep breath. No need to call each other names. You are all super smart people. Let's respect each other Let's try to be more like Glorfindel, my friends.

Crazy day at work, time to catch up.