Battlestar Galactica Mafia - GAME OVER

#7151

Epignosis wrote:Oh, I get it. That's a lot of missing votes and quite people.

In the brig for their disloyalty.

QUIET people.

I hate my keyboard.

#7152

So say we all.

I'm so sorry I missed the vote. I had work issues blow up again unexpectedly. (Had to fire someone today during the time I planned to vote.) This was the first chance I have had to break away.

Glor. You played a great game. While I still have a difficult time seeing boomer as for the human and civ cylons you have made me reconsider how I've been approaching the game. I actually thought you would flip dovil from how you were talking.

#7153

So say we all.

Why did you vote me while I was silenced Sig? ALSO, why haven't you responded to what I asked a phase and a half ago?

#7154

Way to fight the good fight Glorfindel.

We're down to Cavil and Doral. I'd say we're in pretty darn good shape.

My suspicion of ObsAll has cooled significantly on account of her early vote for the Glorf. My three top suspects at this time are Rico, Bea, and BR.

#7155

Dex wrote:Way to fight the good fight Glorfindel.

We're down to Cavil and Doral. I'd say we're in pretty darn good shape.

My suspicion of ObsAll has cooled significantly on account of her early vote for the Glorf. My three top suspects at this time are Rico, Bea, and BR.

I'm in agreement with you.

Obsure, why did you vote Glorf instead of me?

#7156

So say we all.

It's probably for the best that I wasn't around. I'd have resisted that lynch for most of Day 7. I do think Epignosis and Dex did a fantastic job of isolating Glorf's role with logic though and that Glorf struggled especially against "Are you aligned with Cavil?". Great look for Dex and Epi continues to look solid too.

I don't think it's a total certainty that this role was a "bad" one, but lore would suggest that it is -- and if lore doesn't determine alignment then I have no idea what would. It'd be a randomized game with no possible analytic process. It might be prudent to investigate the nutella/Glorfindel interaction to determine how likely it was that they were aware of one another and/or had BTSC.

#7157

When Glorfindel still felt like he had a puncher's chance on Day 6 and I pressed him to give me suspects, the name he pushed hardest was Black Rock. That makes me reconsider my baddie read on her.

#7158

bea wrote:Dear Admiral Adama - I belive it is very likely that epi, wigly and glor are all town cylons.
I truely believe that Cavil and his followers aren't going to be as easy to find as the ones who last second claimed.

To suggest that both Wilgy and Glorfindel were "very likely" to be good cylons isn't a great look.

#7159

I am still unsure whether it makes sense to say that this game has no standard "baddie/mafia" faction though when night phases have continually featured people getting killed. There's a lynch and there's a night kill, and that means the most fundamental structure of Mafia is at least maintained in this setup. Someone has to be delivering these kills, and if it isn't a "team" with BTSC then what would it be? Numerous independent "bad" cylons each getting one kill on a specified night? I doubt that.

#7160

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's probably for the best that I wasn't around. I'd have resisted that lynch for most of Day 7.

Can you say why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't think it's a total certainty that this role was a "bad" one, but lore would suggest that it is -- and if lore doesn't determine alignment then I have no idea what would. It'd be a randomized game with no possible analytic process.

This appears contradictory. Can you help me understand the thought process here?

#7161

I am amused that everyone who had been punished for not properly replying "So Say We All" are now diligently saying it - even though it's not currently required by the rules.

#7162

Dex wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's probably for the best that I wasn't around. I'd have resisted that lynch for most of Day 7.
Can you say why?

Toward the end of Night 6 I put up a pretty big post describing the behavior of Glorfindel as a baddie and as a townie in two recent games, and I felt his behavior in this game was closer to that of his townie game.

Dex wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't think it's a total certainty that this role was a "bad" one, but lore would suggest that it is -- and if lore doesn't determine alignment then I have no idea what would. It'd be a randomized game with no possible analytic process.
This appears contradictory. Can you help me understand the thought process here?

I don't know what would determine alignment if lore does not, but that doesn't mean it has to be lore. It means I don't know. If I have no other information available I'm willing to go with lore as the standard, which would suggest Glorfindel was bad/aligned with Cavil.

#7163

Dex wrote:I am amused that everyone who had been punished for not properly replying "So Say We All" are now diligently saying it - even though it's not currently required by the rules.

Those who made no posts on Day 7 were still subject to the SSWA from Night 6.

#7164

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dex wrote:I am amused that everyone who had been punished for not properly replying "So Say We All" are now diligently saying it - even though it's not currently required by the rules.
Those who made no posts on Day 7 were still subject to the SSWA from Night 6.

Ah! Of course.

#7165

DrWilgy wrote:
Dex wrote:Way to fight the good fight Glorfindel.

We're down to Cavil and Doral. I'd say we're in pretty darn good shape.

My suspicion of ObsAll has cooled significantly on account of her early vote for the Glorf. My three top suspects at this time are Rico, Bea, and BR.
I'm in agreement with you.

Obsure, why did you vote Glorf instead of me?

I had a feeling you were silenced or punished and I try to make it a habit not to vote for someone in that situation if I have other comparable options. Doesn't mean I won't be voting for you in the future or even tomorrow. I just try to not be a complete asshat if I can.

#7166

Maybe not a great look jj, but it is what it is. I was trying to be open minded and give everyone a fair shake. Real life kept me from voting when I intended on voting.

I have not played the game I wanted to play. But I am not bad. Just a nub.

#7167

Sorry for bailing out - I have no issues admitting it, but I was simply too tired to follow anymore of the debate and I had no other valid angle except to decide on how to treat Glorfindel. In light of his flip - lore makes me treat Boomer as clearly aligned against the human cause - there's room to appreciate the fight Glorfindel put, because halfway through his pleads did in fact make me question if he's not truthful - never again, though, on this "I'd never lie to the players" angle.

Anyway, post-flip, I don't know what this tells us about sig. There was an absolute defensive bond between the two, but sig still likely survived a lynch as second wagon, so unless it's the mafia team that had a lynch stop, his status is still ambiguous. Not sure what to say of Matt reading the two as Baltar-Six, after which he just wiggled out with a sideline vote.

Need to re-read bea all over again; I suspected her based on the nutella lynch, but then she seemed to hint at something that made me rethink.

#7168

I had/have Baltar and six penciled in as other peeps.

#7169

Dex wrote:I am amused that everyone who had been punished for not properly replying "So Say We All" are now diligently saying it - even though it's not currently required by the rules.

I think it's just a nice way to show your appreciation to the president or the captain or whatever.

#7170

So, only 3 Cylons alive, right? Gaius, please check S~V~S!

#7171

Polo wrote:So, only 3 Cylons alive, right? Gaius, please check S~V~S!

EBWOP: 3 evil cylons, according to lore.

#7172

I thought just dovel and cavil?

#7173

bea wrote:I thought just dovel and cavil?

By Dovel you mean Doral?

And isn't Conoy mafia?

#7174

Polo wrote:
bea wrote:I thought just dovel and cavil?
By Dovel you mean Doral?

And isn't Conoy mafia?

Yes - doral - I'm sorry - it's the very end of a very long and and emotionally stressful day.

By conoy I assume you mean Cavil? Yes. Evil and mafia are the same thing to me. Are they not to you?

OK - I'm going to bed if I'm making this many mistakes and such.

#7175

bea wrote:
Polo wrote:
bea wrote:I thought just dovel and cavil?
By Dovel you mean Doral?

And isn't Conoy mafia?
Yes - doral - I'm sorry - it's the very end of a very long and and emotionally stressful day.

By conoy I assume you mean Cavil? Yes. Evil and mafia are the same thing to me. Are they not to you?

OK - I'm going to bed if I'm making this many mistakes and such.

No, by Conoy I mean Leoben Conoy, cylon model #2.

I believe there are 3 mafia (or evil, whatever warms your toast) alive:

John Cavil - who is probably S~V~S (I still need to post my dossier on explaining why her interaction with me when I mentioned Cavil has got me EXTREMELY suspicious to the point of certainty)
Leoben Conoy
Aaron Doral

#7176

So say we all. Just in case, Lol.

Dex wrote:The Defence of DrWilgy

I'm going to try this one last time before the votes start to fall in earnest

1. I am as certain that Wilgs is a civ cylon as I was the LC was Cain. You'll recall that I pushed hard for an LC lynch. Now that Cain is dead, everyone's life is better. Particularly civ cylons.[/i

2. My belief that Wilgs is a civ cylon is not a hunch or gut-based. It is a logical deduction that follows from his posts. The only question is rather or not Wilgs was being honest. I think in context its quite apparent he was. I'd say he's been perfectly honest ever since he declared.

3. For those posting that Wilgs can't be a civ cylon because Caprica 6 is the last one and the math doesn't work, you are incorrect. Leoben is also a civ cylon.

A. He sided against Cavil in the cylon rebellion, along with D'Anna, Caprica 6, and Athena. He also aids Roslin during Gaeta's mutiny, and has a Starbuck connection. He is not part of the Cavil clique, group, faction, or whatever you want to call it.
B. It makes more sense in terms of game balance that this role be civ.

Since Wilgy never claimed to be Caprica 6 and has frequently pointed this out, I'm guessing he is Leoben. The only people with an interest in killing Leoben are Cavil's faction and any humans who still want to kill all cylons.

Remember this conversation, Polo? You were part of it. Maybe your hyperfocus on me made you forget it.

Let me ask you again; is it everyone who wanted to lynch Cain, or is it just me?

Link I, yeah, could I get that dossier please?

#7177

S~V~S wrote:So say we all. Just in case, Lol.

Dex wrote:The Defence of DrWilgy

I'm going to try this one last time before the votes start to fall in earnest

1. I am as certain that Wilgs is a civ cylon as I was the LC was Cain. You'll recall that I pushed hard for an LC lynch. Now that Cain is dead, everyone's life is better. Particularly civ cylons.[/i

2. My belief that Wilgs is a civ cylon is not a hunch or gut-based. It is a logical deduction that follows from his posts. The only question is rather or not Wilgs was being honest. I think in context its quite apparent he was. I'd say he's been perfectly honest ever since he declared.

3. For those posting that Wilgs can't be a civ cylon because Caprica 6 is the last one and the math doesn't work, you are incorrect. Leoben is also a civ cylon.

A. He sided against Cavil in the cylon rebellion, along with D'Anna, Caprica 6, and Athena. He also aids Roslin during Gaeta's mutiny, and has a Starbuck connection. He is not part of the Cavil clique, group, faction, or whatever you want to call it.
B. It makes more sense in terms of game balance that this role be civ.

Since Wilgy never claimed to be Caprica 6 and has frequently pointed this out, I'm guessing he is Leoben. The only people with an interest in killing Leoben are Cavil's faction and any humans who still want to kill all cylons.

Remember this conversation, Polo? You were part of it. Maybe your hyperfocus on me made you forget it.

Let me ask you again; is it everyone who wanted to lynch Cain, or is it just me?

Link I, yeah, could I get that dossier please?

Yes, I'll post it today after work!

So is Leoben really a civ cylon? Hmmm.

#7178

Well, thanks, I guess. I still see you in here now, so no time like the present, but if you want to keep waiting, OK

Your last post was 6:24 AM, it is now 7:27. I would think an hour should be enough. That must be one hell of a dossier.

#7179

Epignosis wrote:Oh, I get it. That's a lot of missing votes and quite people.

In the brig for their disloyalty.

So say we all...

I am horrible at remembering things like putting a small statement in when it's necessary.

Of course I am far behind. I did not keep up while I was silenced. Not sad to see Boomer gone.

#7180

Awesome night! I was right about Glorfindel, plus the Penguins and Warriors won. (modkill me if you must, Golden the Coward

but Curry4Life!)

I've got to do some reading and thinking today because my player reads aren't all what they were last time I posted lists.

#7181

S~V~S wrote:Well, thanks, I guess. I still see you in here now, so no time like the present, but if you want to keep waiting, OK

Your last post was 6:24 AM, it is now 7:27. I would think an hour should be enough. That must be one hell of a dossier.

I usually leave this browser tab open when I leave home, and almost never reboot my PC. Sorry

#7182

Polo wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Well, thanks, I guess. I still see you in here now, so no time like the present, but if you want to keep waiting, OK

Your last post was 6:24 AM, it is now 7:27. I would think an hour should be enough. That must be one hell of a dossier.
I usually leave this browser tab open when I leave home, and almost never reboot my PC. Sorry

Our tray reboot is set to 30 minutes. I don't know that anyone else would know that but MP & I, though. So now all of you know it too

For future reference.

If a person shows in tray as being here, that means they could be showing up to 30 minutes after leaving. Not an hour. I am just really looking forward to it, you have been talking about it for days. So don't blame me for being impatient. A word of advice, the bigger the build up, the better the denoument should be. Waiting too long, you lose your momentum, and your revelation risks looking anti climactic.

#7183

S~V~S wrote:
Polo wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Well, thanks, I guess. I still see you in here now, so no time like the present, but if you want to keep waiting, OK

Your last post was 6:24 AM, it is now 7:27. I would think an hour should be enough. That must be one hell of a dossier.
I usually leave this browser tab open when I leave home, and almost never reboot my PC. Sorry
Our tray reboot is set to 30 minutes. I don't know that anyone else would know that but MP & I, though. So now all of you know it too For future reference.

If a person shows in tray as being here, that means they could be showing up to 30 minutes after leaving. Not an hour. I am just really looking forward to it, you have been talking about it for days. So don't blame me for being impatient. A word of advice, the bigger the build up, the better the denoument should be. Waiting too long, you lose your momentum, and your revelation risks looking anti climactic.

Unfortunately I have this set up on my browser: http://64px.com/auto-refresh

This is the night period, I have been very busy in the past few days and I'll post it when I have time to do so

#7184

I think it is more likely that your case is underwhelming, tbh. You talked about me all during the last night phase, then during an extended day phase, with prodding, you did not produce. Now it is night again, and here you are doing the same thing.

But still, I look forward to it

#7185

Nice result. Sorry we had real bad storms in Texas and at the lake there was no cell service.

#7186

Dex wrote:Way to fight the good fight Glorfindel.

We're down to Cavil and Doral. I'd say we're in pretty darn good shape.

My suspicion of ObsAll has cooled significantly on account of her early vote for the Glorf. My three top suspects at this time are Rico, Bea, and BR.

#7187

BSG is on Hulu.

#7188

Epignosis wrote:BSG is on Hulu.

Is it not on Netflix? Hulu and chill just doesnt sound as fun.

#7189

ObscureAllure wrote:
Epignosis wrote:BSG is on Hulu.
Is it not on Netflix? Hulu and chill just doesnt sound as fun.

Nope. And it is PPV on Amazon. I already have 3 different streaming channels, plus HBOGo. I just refuse to get another one

#7190

Ricochet wrote:Anyway, post-flip, I don't know what this tells us about sig. There was an absolute defensive bond between the two, but sig still likely survived a lynch as second wagon, so unless it's the mafia team that had a lynch stop, his status is still ambiguous. Not sure what to say of Matt reading the two as Baltar-Six, after which he just wiggled out with a sideline vote.

Blah blah blah.

RIH Boomer.

Good call on Glorfy everyone but I refuse to apologize for presenting ideas that may not be popular to the majority of town. I thought it was possible Glorfy and sig were Six/Baltar, and I was wrong. Nothing more to it then that.

#7191

Paying for DRM shit you don't even get a copy of seems like a mighty fine investment.

#7192

Matt wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Anyway, post-flip, I don't know what this tells us about sig. There was an absolute defensive bond between the two, but sig still likely survived a lynch as second wagon, so unless it's the mafia team that had a lynch stop, his status is still ambiguous. Not sure what to say of Matt reading the two as Baltar-Six, after which he just wiggled out with a sideline vote.
Blah blah blah.

RIH Boomer.

Good call on Glorfy everyone but I refuse to apologize for presenting ideas that may not be popular to the majority of town. I thought it was possible Glorfy and sig were Six/Baltar, and I was wrong. Nothing more to it then that.

Good thing nobody listen, then, eyyyy?

#7193

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:When Glorfindel still felt like he had a puncher's chance on Day 6 and I pressed him to give me suspects, the name he pushed hardest was Black Rock. That makes me reconsider my baddie read on her.

IDK, Was that maybe what he was going for?

Dex wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's probably for the best that I wasn't around. I'd have resisted that lynch for most of Day 7.
Can you say why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't think it's a total certainty that this role was a "bad" one, but lore would suggest that it is -- and if lore doesn't determine alignment then I have no idea what would. It'd be a randomized game with no possible analytic process.
This appears contradictory. Can you help me understand the thought process here?

I can, I think JJJ is bad. He is trying to muddy the thought process. Like Ricco, lets pretend everything is so hard to figure out lala. In the beginning I would not assume much. But now, it's becoming clearer what roles are bad, good and indy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dex wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's probably for the best that I wasn't around. I'd have resisted that lynch for most of Day 7.
Can you say why?
Toward the end of Night 6 I put up a pretty big post describing the behavior of Glorfindel as a baddie and as a townie in two recent games, and I felt his behavior in this game was closer to that of his townie game.

Dex wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't think it's a total certainty that this role was a "bad" one, but lore would suggest that it is -- and if lore doesn't determine alignment then I have no idea what would. It'd be a randomized game with no possible analytic process.
This appears contradictory. Can you help me understand the thought process here?
I don't know what would determine alignment if lore does not, but that doesn't mean it has to be lore. It means I don't know. If I have no other information available I'm willing to go with lore as the standard, which would suggest Glorfindel was bad/aligned with Cavil.

But you had to make sure everyone might think he was possible something other than bad, right?

Ricochet wrote:
Matt wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Anyway, post-flip, I don't know what this tells us about sig. There was an absolute defensive bond between the two, but sig still likely survived a lynch as second wagon, so unless it's the mafia team that had a lynch stop, his status is still ambiguous. Not sure what to say of Matt reading the two as Baltar-Six, after which he just wiggled out with a sideline vote.
Blah blah blah.

RIH Boomer.

Good call on Glorfy everyone but I refuse to apologize for presenting ideas that may not be popular to the majority of town. I thought it was possible Glorfy and sig were Six/Baltar, and I was wrong. Nothing more to it then that.
Good thing nobody listen, then, eyyyy?

Good thing they didn't listen to your read too...

#7194

I can support a JJJ lynch tomorrow.

#7195

rabbit8 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Matt wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Anyway, post-flip, I don't know what this tells us about sig. There was an absolute defensive bond between the two, but sig still likely survived a lynch as second wagon, so unless it's the mafia team that had a lynch stop, his status is still ambiguous. Not sure what to say of Matt reading the two as Baltar-Six, after which he just wiggled out with a sideline vote.
Blah blah blah.

RIH Boomer.

Good call on Glorfy everyone but I refuse to apologize for presenting ideas that may not be popular to the majority of town. I thought it was possible Glorfy and sig were Six/Baltar, and I was wrong. Nothing more to it then that.
Good thing nobody listen, then, eyyyy?

Good thing they didn't listen to your read too...

I barely had one.

#7196

Ricochet wrote:
Matt wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Anyway, post-flip, I don't know what this tells us about sig. There was an absolute defensive bond between the two, but sig still likely survived a lynch as second wagon, so unless it's the mafia team that had a lynch stop, his status is still ambiguous. Not sure what to say of Matt reading the two as Baltar-Six, after which he just wiggled out with a sideline vote.
Blah blah blah.

RIH Boomer.

Good call on Glorfy everyone but I refuse to apologize for presenting ideas that may not be popular to the majority of town. I thought it was possible Glorfy and sig were Six/Baltar, and I was wrong. Nothing more to it then that.
Good thing nobody listen, then, eyyyy?

At worst, the idea was... unhelpful.

#7197

I feel the assumption that JJJ might be bad needs to pass the test of explaining how could JJJ have initiated and carried nutella's hunt all the way through on Day Two.

#7198

Ricochet wrote:I feel the assumption that JJJ might be bad needs to pass the test of explaining how could JJJ have initiated and carried nutella's hunt all the way through on Day Two.

Two mafia factions.

#7199

rabbit8 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I feel the assumption that JJJ might be bad needs to pass the test of explaining how could JJJ have initiated and carried nutella's hunt all the way through on Day Two.
Two mafia factions.

Comprised of?

#7200

Ricochet wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I feel the assumption that JJJ might be bad needs to pass the test of explaining how could JJJ have initiated and carried nutella's hunt all the way through on Day Two.
Two mafia factions.
Comprised of?

Are you just being obtuse? Or do you want me to try to figure out how Golden would split the cylons/bad humans?

Just split the bad players into two mafia groups, throw in some indy roles and go!

Who be you lynching today?