Things Glorfindel said to/about
bea:
Glorfindel wrote:bea: Good
First mention is this Day 6 GTH read.
Glorfindel wrote:3. As for the players that voted for me on Day 6, G-Man came as no surprise to me - he's made his feelings toward me very clear. I think he has a lot of potential actually. From my perspective, he seems extremely committed to the game and is capable of structured analysis that is fairly impressive. Where he needs to improve though is his conclusions.
Bea, I honestly don't know. She's not someone that has found their way on to my radar yet. I know a couple of people have accused her but I'd need to go back and ISO her - she seems rather innocuous (that is not meant in any kind of offensive way, by the way) to me. I suspect that assuming that she is Town, she's like most everyone here - G-Man or Dex bangs a drum and they simply follow... 
Matt is a strange one however. I'd not doubted him at all to that point and found his jumping on my wagon to be rather... disappointing. It seems to me that like Sig, he seems to just drop into this game from time to time and I just wonder if he's really 'connected' to what's been happening here. I like however the perspective that he brings to this game and he seems genuinely open to different opinions on the game and is willing to come up with his own ideas on the game which I take as a good sign.
Wafflesaurus Rex. He lumped her alongside the other
unnamed players who he accused of "sheeping" the reads provided by G-Man and Dex with the implied but not conclusively stated town read. Not a great look.
Glorfindel wrote:bea wrote:Or maybe I'm not asking that correctly. Why is his concussion about your potential role incorrect? I think that's the more accurate question.
His concussion?
The poor thing
For the LAST FREAKING TIME... His calculations ARE NOT THE PROBLEM, his assumed beliefs (based on the alignment of characters on this show) ARE THE PROBLEM. If having said that gets me Modkilled, so be it. I just can't understand how a bunch of very intelligent people could be so utterly clueless. My patience with you all is at an end
bea asks a simple question and gets the caps lock. Glorfindel's frustration level, genuine or not, boiled over and bea got the brunt of it. I want to say Glorfindel isn't the type to scream at his team mates, but I also have reason to believe my prior assertions about Glorfindel's persona in this game might not have been accurate. So I dunno.
Glorfindel wrote:bea wrote:Glor - I get that you're frustrated but I am trying to understand you. I'm not being willfully ignorant. I'm trying to open my mind and my expectations. I'm trying to balance my knowledge of the show with the actual game. I'm trying to use both pieces of information together to come to the best possible decision in a semi-closed set up with little information.
I am not the biggest fan of in the world of polo's vote and I said as much when he made it. I'm not sure why svs isn't more up in arms about it tbh.
I'm doing the best I can. I'm sorry if I'm missing something so blatantly obvious to. I often do. I earned my name Queen Nub. You note *I* haven't voted yet? You know why? Because I am trying to understand.
lol INH. You left out squirrel baby.
I know you are Bea - I'm giving you something that's been denied me (the benefit of the doubt). I've had to be somewhat obscure because I've had to try to operate within the rules but I've tried to explain this a hundred different ways and with the possible exceptions of people like Sig, Ricochet and 3J no one gets it. I don't know how I can be any more explicit. Go back to my "I am a Cylon" post. The evidence is there. How many times do I have to say this - THE BASIS UPON WHICH YOU ARE ASSESSING ALIGNMENT IS FLAWED!!!
Glorfindel wrote:bea wrote:Glor I get what you are saying. It's possible that the bad guys do not follow show 100 percent. Here's my continued hang up. If not that way, how are they formed?
In the same way I have a hard time seeing athena as anything but for the humans, I have a hard time seeing boomer as anything but in Cavil's faction because it goes drastically against her character in a way that doesn't make sense given the amount of care our host has put into keeping the flavor of the theme true.
If everything you say is true, I'm not sure how Cavil is getting a faction and I'm sure Cavil isn't working for anyone but himself and his own.
The 'getting of wisdom' is a truly wonderful thing to behold. I refer you again to Rule 8 and the comment in the heading of the rules to 'read them carefully'.
I'd also like to make a comment about Rule 11. I have had fun this game. It took me a little while to realise it, but it's true. As I said, I did my best for you all and I take great satisfaction in that. Thanks Golden for allowing me to play possibly the most bizarre game of which I have ever been a part. I'm sorry to you all for my rudeness earlier - I seldom do that and I always feel awful for having done so.
Generally more of the same. Glorfindel did well in the end to treat pretty much everyone opposing him the same way -- repeating his rhetoric about town's interpretation of the roles, the state of the game itself, et cetera. bea was no exception.
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Things
bea said to/about Glorfindel not previously covered:
bea wrote:Polo wrote:Bea, what do you think of sig, Glorfindel and DrWilgy?
they have only caught the outskirts of my attention.
I expected more from wigly when he subbed in - especially like with daisy I gave the olive branch of I just read through 30 pages of crap - let me know if I can help catch a brotha or sista out - and neither of them took the olive branch.
It tells me that they are either a) stubborn as fuck and will catch up on their on while also b) not comment on it.
And C be caught up as fuck.
Which - as much as I hate to admit - sounds like bts.
glor is like nero was for me yesterday - a null read.
First mention on Day 4 is a null read.
bea wrote:Glorfindel wrote:Matt wrote:Updated list of Non-Claimers
a2thezebra
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Glorfindel
OA
Ricotech
Sokoth
Vompatti
How many players do we have in the game? 24, 25? Two-thirds of the town have agreed that claiming is in the town's best interest, so essentially, all of these players are anti-town as of now.
We need to put pressure on them. Do I think they're all "bad" ? No. Do I think Cavil and/or other bad cylons are hiding in this bunch? Absolutely.
I think we should start with OA, who can't claim cuz of "punishments" but will totes claim if we lynch LC despite "punishments".
ObscureAllure
Linki - Oh okay, nvm now she was "just kidding". Someone help me pressure her please.
So Say We All!
I'm sorry, my friend but you're posting the wrong list... The list that YOU should be posting (that would be infinitely more helpful to us) is the list of players that HAVE claimed in sequence of when they claimed (and preferably with the times they claimed so we can timeline them). Let me make this crystal clear, I'm in no way accusing you of anything but others (like well, umm Polo for instance) who seem obsessed with the first list you posted are I believe leading us down the garden path. What is happening here is what is referred to as selection bias and it's being perpetrated on a Town team that is largely far to accepting of it. Continually posting that list only focuses attention on those that for a variety of different reasons have not claimed.
As I said earlier, it seems only logical to me that the real Baddies have already jumped ship and claimed leaving them time to hide and help drive lynches on those who haven't/won't claim and so gain an advantage over us. I am highly suspicious of those who insist on driving this misguided agenda.
See - posts like these make me not want to lynch Glor.
bea wrote:Silverwolf wrote:bea wrote:Long Con wrote:Silverwolf wrote:Wow, I butchered the hell out of that quote.
Oh well, I think it's clear what I mean.
What's clear (to anyone who wants to really look) is that you completely avoided engaging with any of my points or questions, and moved right to your tired old schtick of "he's
misrepresenting! he's
discrediting!" But don't worry, I doubt anyone will bother looking.
as much as it pains me to say this, you might be on to sonmething here.
bea-In going through your ISO, I saw this post. You also made a lot of posts agreeing with Long Con or supporting him in some ways-telling him you were listening, etc.
So my question is, do you have a civ reading on Long Con and if so, elaborate on it please?
A lot of your comments are kind of offhand comments that make it hard for me to get a read of you. So if you elaborate on one of your reads, this will help me a lot and I imagine others as well.
Ok - you picked a doozy here so - bear with me.
I have a loooooooong history of NOT ever ever trusting Long Con. Like ever. LIke really really ever. I call him Lucy to my Charlie Brown. And then we had the Champs game where we had that bright second of civ BTS. And even then - ask him it took me AAAAAAGES to trust him. But in light of that, I'm trying to go against every knee jerk reaction I have about Long Con because I realize it's *my* bias that always makes him bad in my head.
Also - he's one of the few people who have acknowledged that you know I'm paying attention even when I go a long time without taking- when everyone else seems to think I'm flaking out and bad. So if he's willing to listen to me - I'm willing to at least listen to him. Also - as I can see how he could be cain. I could see as much as how he's accusing others of "role playing" that some of his earlier behavior that he chalked up to as being "ornery ole lc" (which is honestly prolly true) could also maybe be viewed as "role playing" too - so I'm willing to give him a little rope and some rye.
I get where Dex and SVS are coming from about him and *believe* me my gut wants to jump right into their hunt too - because in my head "a living long con is almost always a bad long con", but I'm trying to learn to get to know the player better. So that the player and the guy I know can start meshing together some. Does that make sense to you?
As for other reads - I think you are civ - and I think SVS, dex and rico are civ. I adore epi and cylon or no I hope he's around at endgame.
I lean civ on glor cuz he makes posts like the one I just quoted. I thought matt was civ but I worry about his statement about "toaster sympathizers" and his call to "claimers" to own up and put pressure on people. Because like Rico - I saw this witch hunt coming and no one can deny that's what it's turning into. Good on you and Daisy for saying it won't ONLY be a factor. Now look at matt and polo's posts and say with a straight face they aren't hunting witches. Because they totally are.
I'm not sure about OA and Gman, but I hope they are civ. I think Daisy might be civ. I worry about her focus on me and my "claim" being looking like she's baddie hunting when deep down she knew nothing was going to come of it. Or she really thought it. I'm unsure here. Baddie Daisy has snuck up on me more than once. The kingon is too new to me to get a real handle on and I tried to help him make a post like this one but I failed because he hasn't.
I think zeeb is an enigma this game. I want to trust her. She seems to know things, but I'm not sure how she knows things and I'm not sure where she's coming from. Honestly before Lorab flipped I had her pegged as d'anna. She's keeping her cards *very* close to her chest and I can see civ and mafia reaosns for doing that.
Day 5 defense of Glorfindel. I defended him more than anyone so I'm not going to talk. I do think bea should explain why "posts like these" made her feel that way though.
bea wrote:Ugh. Wth happened to yesterday? I lost it somehow. Glad for the extra day as I seemed to have decided to sleep through yesterday.
I'm leaning toward a sig vote. His vote yesterday after wilgy claimed is not a good look I think.
Silver - I'm asking soley for clarity - is glor's refusal to claim and answer your questions to your satisfaction regarding claiming your only reason for suspecting him or are there other details I lost in the shuffle? If that's the meat of why you think glor is bad, do you suspect the others who haven't claimed with the same vigor?
She did engage Silverwolf to better understand her desire to lynch Glorfindel, but it wasn't addressed again.
bea wrote:I'm confused again. Don't we want glor to be in the lead since he claimed today? So that we know his survival is because he claimed? Wasn't that like the reason some of us were putting pressure on people to claim in the first place?
I feel like I said the same thing last lynch and I think I'm even more confused today as to what people's motivations are.
voting glorbecause I thought that was the point of making him claim and because I'm stuck in linki
She voted for Glorfindel after his claim, and I do at least think her rationale was sensible -- putting him in the lead would confirm/not confirm his claim. It's also to her credit that her vote came
later in that regard, because the sig wagon nearly overtook the Glorf wagon and that would have caused more stupid mass confusion. I'm not thrilled though that her vote was solely motivated by the claim dynamic though and that suspicion seems to be absent from her mindset.
bea wrote:Glor - I get that you're frustrated but I am trying to understand you. I'm not being willfully ignorant. I'm trying to open my mind and my expectations. I'm trying to balance my knowledge of the show with the actual game. I'm trying to use both pieces of information together to come to the best possible decision in a semi-closed set up with little information.
I am not the biggest fan of in the world of polo's vote and I said as much when he made it. I'm not sure why svs isn't more up in arms about it tbh.
I'm doing the best I can. I'm sorry if I'm missing something so blatantly obvious to. I often do. I earned my name Queen Nub. You note *I* haven't voted yet? You know why? Because I am trying to understand.
lol INH. You left out squirrel baby.
There is a taste of earnestness in her communication with Glorfindel as he was approaching his demise on Day 7. It can be faked, but I'm not sure I read this that way. That's a nice look.
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Overall this is a very mixed bag. I will admit though that the positive points I made are moving me more than the negative and that my suspicion of bea has
decreased through this exercise. That is of course reliant upon the notion that Glorfindel was on a baddie team and knew who his team mates were, which is itself speculative.
Doing just one of these has already burned me out badly. I need a break. If I'm able I'll do more later.
[-Mass Effect Mafia banner-]
I've not seen that anywhere before and I can't help but think we're taking this a little too seriously if we use that as evidence to lynch someone!
Hello my lovely sortie finishers; GOOD LYNCH 
; my pings: 1)bea, 2)Rico, 3)Drumbeats, maybe Polo, BR, and 3J too; ask me anything, I’ll try to answer.
