Dex wrote:No. I do not. Look at my post that you quoted. My defense of Wilgy is not that he is Leoben and so must be good. I do not know what role Wilgy is, I'm only guessing that it's Leoben. What I know is that Wilgy is civ, whatever his role. I don't know how I can be clearer on this. I don't see how you can be mis-reading this. It's not "Wilgy must be Leoben and, according to lore, Leoben is good". It's "Wilgy is civ, whatever his role is, maybe it's Leoben."
It occurs to me that Glorfindel's civ flip, as surprising as it is, doesn't necessarily mean we have to throw lore out the window. I doubt it, given the way Goldama has structured this game. I doubt he assigned alignment to cylons randomly. For the entire first season, Boomer WAS civ-aligned, right up to the Season 1 finale, when she shot Adama. It stands to reason, therefore, that Boomer would begin the game civ-aligned.
Ok, got it. It just stuck in my mind that you presented a strong case for Wilgy being profiled as such.
Problem with the second paragraph is that Glorfindel was lynched on Day Seven and a cycle earlier he and sig both survived, with Baltar taking over as President. That's season three material, iirc. So we're not talking lynching Boomer that could have began the game civ-aligned. We're talking lynching Boomer that, according to lore, should be way past emerging as a villain.
But to hell with these lore technicalities. Game-wise, I could marginally see Boomer conditioned by some event or some trigger (or recruitment?) to switch from town-aligned to mafia-aligned. But then, for instance, why would Boomer be an automatic victim of Cally, should the latter have found her in her searches, unless we were to interpret Boomer as viable to become anti-town? Anyway, maybe,
maybe an event never happened to affect Boomer's town alignment (it can happen in Mafia games: you design something to potentially happen and it never falls in place). We were deprived of knowing Boomer's alignment until now, we were too trustful of lore, nothing more we can do. I'm not comfortable with not knowing Athena's alignment anymore. Are you? Judge Epignosis' game, do you still read it to be civilian? That's what matters.
Dex wrote:In which case, I'm back to defending Epi, based on lore. Athena was never mafia.
Frak the lore. Kill it with fire. I endorse JJJ's argument: defend Epignosis if he reads good to you based on what he has done, not who he is.
Still haven't heard what I'm still mafia for, to you, btw.
DrWilgy wrote:I agree with OA in regardsbto Polo and SVS. Based on thier patterns, I don't think they are on the same team. This leaves me with a sinking feeling though, because I still have my doubts about OA.
For what it's worth, if we're talking team-compatible moves, if Polo is on a team, he's being left by the others to bark alone at SVS. His lead is hardly gaining any traction at this point. So I'm inclined to not see it as plausible. He seems on a mission of his own, with a drumkit of his own.
DrWilgy wrote:I think I'm going to look to nutella to see what to do next. Talk to you later.
Nutella's lynch happened seven cycles ago. We never really doubted Simon to be baddie-aligned. So what took you until now to do the thing you now say you'll do?
SokothQultuq wrote:Post 1 - I'm not going to pull any punches here, I'm dropping my vote now for DrWilgy. Based on my previous observations I'm confident that he's a Cylon.
Welcome back to those of you who have passed on and returned. Though we may have to take a hard look at you to decide if you deserve to stay among the living.
Uhh so were we. Four cycles ago. When Wilgy claimed and survived his lynch.
Are you implying he's bad simply because he's Cylon? If not, what is he bad for, in your perspective?
Spacedaisy wrote:Apparently I am back. I was asked to identify my wills and the answer is, none of them. I never submitted one because I found it exceedingly hard to keep up with a game that I was dead/not dead in. I skim read the thread once every two or three days, but I completely missed the deadlines to submit the will thing both times. I did not know I was F5 until I was night killed. At that point I was told what my alignment was, so the Final 5 don't get the option who to align with, for the record. So don't base your votes on who you think we (the player) would choose align with, it has no bearing.
This is interesting and valuable information.
If it's true, then we cannot base any reads of the Final Five players prior to their deaths. They basically start a-fresh.
If it's true, there is clear delimitation between how many of the Final Five remaing town-aligned and how many may have become mafia- or indie-aligned. Yet again, this again strays from lore, where Tory Foster made her own choice and so did the rest.
If it's true, then perhaps the fifth Final Five doesn't even know he is an F5, because he is still alive?
But if it's all a bluff... it's a pretty good one. "Don't bother looking at my first life activity". Damn cheeky if it's a bluff.
Overall I'm inclined to believe that the Host would not want to waste his Final Five game mechanics simply because the potential players would die before the mechanic could be enabled. Proof being that, despite the RezShips mechanics being eliminated, which would normally also mean the Final Five are no longer immortal, here are four of the Final Five, returned into the game.
Actually, hold on... when did we complete all the RezShips cleanup?
Nerolunar and Juliets (who died in sortie mission) could definitely have been resurrected (proof being that the Host told them upon death that they're F5, according to what Spacedaisy has just said) and kept in limbo. But Dex must have definitely been nightkilled long after the sortie cleanup was complete. Don't recall where Spacedaisy herself fits in the timeline.
Anyway, thanks for this if it's truthful.
SokothQultuq wrote:DrWilgy. I've clearly stated my reasons in my previous posts. Go back and read them if you want an explanation and try and explain away what I've seen. No one has offered to explain how you survived that what was it Week 5 Lynch?
For the second consecutive post of yours, you either have no real grasp on events that happened, such as Wilgy surviving his Day Five lynch, or you're intentional grasping at straws to suss him.
SokothQultuq wrote:Black Rock – Good
Dex – Cylon/Bad
Drumbeats – Good
DrWilgy - Cylon/Bad
Epignosis – Cylon/Good
G-Man – Cylon/Bad
InsertNameHere – Good
JaggedJimmyJay – Good
Juliets – Cylon/Good
Matt – Good
Nerolunar – Cylon/Good
ObscureAllure – Good
Polo – Cylon/Bad
Rabbit8 – Good
Richochet – Cylon/Bad
S~V~S – Cylon/Bad
Sig – Good
SpaceDaisy – Cylon/Bad
So let's filter this.
1) Out of 18 players, you named 10 as Cylons. Counting the original numbers (out of which two number 8s) [8] plus the Final Five [5], that's 13 Cylons, out of which we know that three have died. So you hit the right number on how many Cylons could still be alive in the game. That's, at least, perceptive of you.
2) It gets trickier in how you align them. Out of 10 Cylons, you read 7 of them to be bad. So that's 7 baddies you think are still in this game. We've only gotten rid of 1 Cavil-aligned Cylon, so far. So I take you can only imply there's a mafia team of 8 or two teams of 4. Mind you, this is
only Cylons, according to you. This is either, again, a perceptive if very gloomy read (because, if there are 7 mafia players and 12 other players left in the game, we are close to near fraked) or a bloated read without much grasp at realistical proportions or a mere invective towards the Cylons as a whole. I mean, almost as a whole, because, well, see below...
3) The only Cylons you don't read bad-aligned are Epignosis (who is Athena, alignment unknown), Nerolunar (Saul Tigh, town-aligned upon death) and juliets (Hot Dog, alignment unknown). Here I have to ask why. This reads to me like cozy good-reading based on who the characters are (a Cylon that allied with the humans; Nerolunar whose alignment is shown; a pilot who fought against the Cylons and has an ability that could affect the Cylons) and nothing else. What makes 3 out of 10 Cylons good and the rest bad?
So your numbers are real sketchy, I'd say.
END OF POST #3. Reads will commence in the others.
Hello lovelies! Try to unite - more “civs” than “baddies” still. AGREE WITH POLO – SVS’s defenses ping VERY BAD.
Marmot = Apollo. Thinking Rabbit’s civ.
Guys, hear my words that I might teach you: regard darkly renewed attacks on Epi/Wilgy. Sorry, sis, I done you bad.
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