[ENDGAME] The Office Mafia

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Re: [Orientation] The Office Mafia

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S~V~S wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:You?
Nah, I'd target you SVS, not Matt or Bea! Silly SVS!
Well, since Matt is dancing around me, and I made a pointed post at Bea, my thought there was that you were hoping they would say "SVS". Feels kinda framey to me, tbh. Although kinda too obvious, too.

Are you trying to frame me WIlgy?
Nah, framing you this early might get the cops involved.

I actually didn't realize that both the players I asked had interactions with you (i've been skimming). I still look forward to thier responses nonetheless. Hey INH and Quin, if someone were to target you right now, who would that person be?
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DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:You?
Nah, I'd target you SVS, not Matt or Bea! Silly SVS!
Well, since Matt is dancing around me, and I made a pointed post at Bea, my thought there was that you were hoping they would say "SVS". Feels kinda framey to me, tbh. Although kinda too obvious, too.

Are you trying to frame me WIlgy?
Nah, framing you this early might get the cops involved.

I actually didn't realize that both the players I asked had interactions with you (i've been skimming). I still look forward to thier responses nonetheless. Hey INH and Quin, if someone were to target you right now, who would that person be?
That depends on what I'm being targeted with.
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Re: [Orientation] The Office Mafia

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Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:You?
Nah, I'd target you SVS, not Matt or Bea! Silly SVS!
Well, since Matt is dancing around me, and I made a pointed post at Bea, my thought there was that you were hoping they would say "SVS". Feels kinda framey to me, tbh. Although kinda too obvious, too.

Are you trying to frame me WIlgy?
Nah, framing you this early might get the cops involved.

I actually didn't realize that both the players I asked had interactions with you (i've been skimming). I still look forward to thier responses nonetheless. Hey INH and Quin, if someone were to target you right now, who would that person be?
That depends on what I'm being targeted with.
Could you see multiple players targeting you currently?
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy's vote is an enigma of science. Philosophers are known to throw their tomes across the auditorium in a fit of frustration after failing to solve its mystery.
insertnamehere wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
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Re: [DAY ONE] The Office Mafia

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Why would they?
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Alright, so is this starting?
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leetic wrote:Alright, so is this starting?
It has! Say a thing!
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Quin wrote:
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It has! Say a thing!
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leetic wrote:
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leetic wrote:Alright, so is this starting?
It has! Say a thing!
A thing
Thanks
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Well, the world didn't need a healthy economy anyway, so no worries England. Jesus, what a disastrous day.
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DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:You?
Nah, I'd target you SVS, not Matt or Bea! Silly SVS!
Well, since Matt is dancing around me, and I made a pointed post at Bea, my thought there was that you were hoping they would say "SVS". Feels kinda framey to me, tbh. Although kinda too obvious, too.

Are you trying to frame me WIlgy?
Nah, framing you this early might get the cops involved.

I actually didn't realize that both the players I asked had interactions with you (i've been skimming). I still look forward to thier responses nonetheless. Hey INH and Quin, if someone were to target you right now, who would that person be?
If I had to pick a name out of the five people I've gotten a half impression of, I'd say you, because nothing you've said so far has really assured me of your civvieness and I think that if you were bad you would target me because I read you correctly in AoT Mafia.
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I was hoping Wilgy would give me the information I wanted to answer his question. Aw.
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Re: [Orientation] The Office Mafia

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Scotty wrote:
Quin wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:maybe these polls are going to be a nightly thing, and we'll uncover the roles/mechanics of this game bit by bit?
this sounds reasonable tbh. if we take stock in the 'which folder should we open first' scenario from before we might open them all by Day 3. But the personnel thing didn't reveal anything so we could just be overthinking it and i could really have just been a check-in poll.
Actually, Dom did ultimately update the front page. We now have 3 new roles revealed. And that's it.

I agree with inh that we probably will reveal the game mechanics bit by bit through night polls. Looks like these roles were randomized from the list of employees...

...or maybe it revealed 3 people that voted Personnel? That happen to not be managers (like Michael/Dwight)?

I have no idea what Management would mean. Maybe it reveals the mafia member's roles?

Zeus wrote:Oh! You gotta vote on the poll to give someone your vote. Axe means against right? Gotta get with the flow and start reading these pages for the love of god!
Axe, in this case, means vote out.
Those three roles actually clued us in on a lot. We know our lovely Pam is a lie detector. Hell, we can make her job a ton easier right now.

I am town aligned.

Feel free to check that if you wish Pam. I advise that everyone post the same thing in order to allow Pam to work as a cop check if she cannot find a better use for her role each night.


While it is definitely possible that management would show us the mafia, wouldn't it be more likely that it would show us aforementioned managers? (Michael, Dwight, Jim, Andy, etc.) It's definitely worth checking out next night if it is still there, because that category does seem somewhat likely to contain Corporate, but I would bet it would contain the managers instead. Or it is a completely different thing and we're all just overthinking.
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I didn't notice that three roles were added. I even looked. Whoops.

I don't think 'I am town aligned' is something Pam will be able to check, but hey, in the off chance;

I am town aligned.
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Also, is it just me or does Pam's role infer that there are items in this game?
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Re: [Orientation] The Office Mafia

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DrumBeats wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Quin wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:maybe these polls are going to be a nightly thing, and we'll uncover the roles/mechanics of this game bit by bit?
this sounds reasonable tbh. if we take stock in the 'which folder should we open first' scenario from before we might open them all by Day 3. But the personnel thing didn't reveal anything so we could just be overthinking it and i could really have just been a check-in poll.
Actually, Dom did ultimately update the front page. We now have 3 new roles revealed. And that's it.

I agree with inh that we probably will reveal the game mechanics bit by bit through night polls. Looks like these roles were randomized from the list of employees...

...or maybe it revealed 3 people that voted Personnel? That happen to not be managers (like Michael/Dwight)?

I have no idea what Management would mean. Maybe it reveals the mafia member's roles?

Zeus wrote:Oh! You gotta vote on the poll to give someone your vote. Axe means against right? Gotta get with the flow and start reading these pages for the love of god!
Axe, in this case, means vote out.
Those three roles actually clued us in on a lot. We know our lovely Pam is a lie detector. Hell, we can make her job a ton easier right now.

I am town aligned.

Feel free to check that if you wish Pam. I advise that everyone post the same thing in order to allow Pam to work as a cop check if she cannot find a better use for her role each night.


While it is definitely possible that management would show us the mafia, wouldn't it be more likely that it would show us aforementioned managers? (Michael, Dwight, Jim, Andy, etc.) It's definitely worth checking out next night if it is still there, because that category does seem somewhat likely to contain Corporate, but I would bet it would contain the managers instead. Or it is a completely different thing and we're all just overthinking.
Umm sorry to burst your bubble there, but:
Pam – As office administrator, Pam has an inventory of everything in the office. She notices when things are awry. Lie Detector Role. You cannot lie detect statements such as “I am not bad” etc.
This is an exercise in futility. I'm actually surprised that you, Quin and INH have missed that part of the role.

I think your theory about Managers could be valid, but it also makes me wonder what Memo represents. Win con? Does it reveal BTSC or something?
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Quin wrote:I didn't notice that three roles were added. I even looked. Whoops.

I don't think 'I am town aligned' is something Pam will be able to check, but hey, in the off chance;

I am town aligned.
At least you're acknowledging that Pam probably won't check it, but it's like saying that UK leaving the EU would be catastrophic for the world economy, but just in case they should leave. haha! Morbid topical humor for ya
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I didn't miss it, punk.

linki: :ninja:
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Hey Scotty, humour me.

Say that you're town aligned.
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Quin wrote:Also, is it just me or does Pam's role infer that there are items in this game?
Nah, I think that's just flavor text. She keeps inventory of the office as secretary.

Erin is eccentric and cute, but I don't think that means she has multiple personality disorder. Ya dig?

Linki: why? Ok. I'm town aligned. But this is a pointless exercise. I was pointing out that you, INH and DB started something that is blatantly off limits for that role.
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I know. I just felt as though the way you went about arguing its pointlessness felt like you were up to something and I wanted to push you a little. If you'd just ignored me I would've had something to worry about, but it turns out we're good.
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You know what helps a lie detector? Quietly making a statement that you know will help them see that you are civ.

You know what doesn't help them? Getting all players to say it and getting the whole thing thrown out as unusable.

And what really really doesn't help is then winking and saying you knew that, Muhuhaha. Because now day 1 is about you.

not a fan. Maybe you won't care. And because of course you will ask. I am town aligned. :suspish:
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Scotty wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Quin wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:maybe these polls are going to be a nightly thing, and we'll uncover the roles/mechanics of this game bit by bit?
this sounds reasonable tbh. if we take stock in the 'which folder should we open first' scenario from before we might open them all by Day 3. But the personnel thing didn't reveal anything so we could just be overthinking it and i could really have just been a check-in poll.
Actually, Dom did ultimately update the front page. We now have 3 new roles revealed. And that's it.

I agree with inh that we probably will reveal the game mechanics bit by bit through night polls. Looks like these roles were randomized from the list of employees...

...or maybe it revealed 3 people that voted Personnel? That happen to not be managers (like Michael/Dwight)?

I have no idea what Management would mean. Maybe it reveals the mafia member's roles?

Zeus wrote:Oh! You gotta vote on the poll to give someone your vote. Axe means against right? Gotta get with the flow and start reading these pages for the love of god!
Axe, in this case, means vote out.
Those three roles actually clued us in on a lot. We know our lovely Pam is a lie detector. Hell, we can make her job a ton easier right now.

I am town aligned.

Feel free to check that if you wish Pam. I advise that everyone post the same thing in order to allow Pam to work as a cop check if she cannot find a better use for her role each night.


While it is definitely possible that management would show us the mafia, wouldn't it be more likely that it would show us aforementioned managers? (Michael, Dwight, Jim, Andy, etc.) It's definitely worth checking out next night if it is still there, because that category does seem somewhat likely to contain Corporate, but I would bet it would contain the managers instead. Or it is a completely different thing and we're all just overthinking.
Umm sorry to burst your bubble there, but:
Pam – As office administrator, Pam has an inventory of everything in the office. She notices when things are awry. Lie Detector Role. You cannot lie detect statements such as “I am not bad” etc.
This is an exercise in futility. I'm actually surprised that you, Quin and INH have missed that part of the role.

I think your theory about Managers could be valid, but it also makes me wonder what Memo represents. Win con? Does it reveal BTSC or something?
Wow, I feel dumb now. I saw lie detector and got way too excited, my apologies.
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timmer wrote:You know what helps a lie detector? Quietly making a statement that you know will help them see that you are civ.

You know what doesn't help them? Getting all players to say it and getting the whole thing thrown out as unusable.

And what really really doesn't help is then winking and saying you knew that, Muhuhaha. Because now day 1 is about you.

not a fan. Maybe you won't care. And because of course you will ask. I am town aligned. :suspish:
I thinkyou're talking to me so I'll respond. I wasn't going to ask anybody else to say it because the point's already been made that saying 'I am town aligned' isn't worth a damn to a lie detector. It was unusable from the start, so there's no reason why I can't find a use for it myself.

-wink-, muhuhaha.
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Quin wrote:
timmer wrote:You know what helps a lie detector? Quietly making a statement that you know will help them see that you are civ.

You know what doesn't help them? Getting all players to say it and getting the whole thing thrown out as unusable.

And what really really doesn't help is then winking and saying you knew that, Muhuhaha. Because now day 1 is about you.

not a fan. Maybe you won't care. And because of course you will ask. I am town aligned. :suspish:
I thinkyou're talking to me so I'll respond. I wasn't going to ask anybody else to say it because the point's already been made that saying 'I am town aligned' isn't worth a damn to a lie detector. It was unusable from the start, so there's no reason why I can't find a use for it myself.

-wink-, muhuhaha.
Muhuhaha indeed, lol! :)

People who know Quin, how likely is it that he would read that role and miss the part about not using blanket statements? I'm rusty, and have lost track of who plays like what...
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I didn't miss that part.
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I feel like you're the one who wanted to make Day 1 about me, timmer. But even so, let's do it. I'll do a good job of it.
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Quin wrote:I feel like you're the one who wanted to make Day 1 about me, timmer. But even so, let's do it. I'll do a good job of it.
If by that you mean I want to focus on your little gambit, then absolutely. I'll be taking advisement from the players who know you best :)
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Cool beans, son.
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Quin wrote:I feel like you're the one who wanted to make Day 1 about me, timmer. But even so, let's do it. I'll do a good job of it.
timmer wrote:If by that you mean I want to focus on your little gambit, then absolutely.
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Also, for what it's worth,

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That was not an ideal result; I would guess had we voted another option we would have possibly had baddie roles revealed. That would have been good.
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Quin wrote:That depends on what I'm being targeted with.
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Re: [DAY ONE] The Office Mafia

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S~V~S wrote:PREDICTION: Rico & G-Man will have more posts than the 2 lowest posters.
Judging by some of the lowpost candidates, I don't find that to be hard at all.

That's what she said.
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Re: [DAY ONE] The Office Mafia

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Dom wrote:I think I forgot to say it--

INDIGLO HAS REPLACED COBALT
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I'll get caught up, and see what there is to see.
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Quin wrote:I didn't miss it, punk.
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Re: [Orientation] The Office Mafia

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I am not town aligned...... Is that right? No, it's not, idiot. You're town aligned, never let them see you slip again, moron.... Okay, sorry. I'm town aligned. Stop talking to yourself. Accuse FS of something, maybe SVS too. Got it.
S~V~S wrote:That was not an ideal result; I would guess had we voted another option we would have possibly had baddie roles revealed. That would have been good.
Odd, isn't that what Scotty already posted?
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insertnamehere wrote:maybe these polls are going to be a nightly thing, and we'll uncover the roles/mechanics of this game bit by bit?
this sounds reasonable tbh. if we take stock in the 'which folder should we open first' scenario from before we might open them all by Day 3. But the personnel thing didn't reveal anything so we could just be overthinking it and i could really have just been a check-in poll.
Actually, Dom did ultimately update the front page. We now have 3 new roles revealed. And that's it.

I agree with inh that we probably will reveal the game mechanics bit by bit through night polls. Looks like these roles were randomized from the list of employees...

...or maybe it revealed 3 people that voted Personnel? That happen to not be managers (like Michael/Dwight)?

I have no idea what Management would mean. Maybe it reveals the mafia member's roles?
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You both voted for Personell......

I wonder which of you two is bad.

Accuse FS, accuse FS. Okay, FS is most likely bad. Gut read.
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Quin wrote:...so there's no reason why I can't find a use for it myself.
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I'm guessing someone's role is that they gain a power every time they say "That's what she said."
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insertnamehere wrote:I'm guessing someone's role is that they gain a power every time they say "That's what she said."
I wouldn't know. I'm not even playing. That's why the meme text is in blue.
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rabbit8 wrote:I am not town aligned...... Is that right? No, it's not, idiot. You're town aligned, never let them see you slip again, moron.... Okay, sorry. I'm town aligned. Stop talking to yourself. Accuse FS of something, maybe SVS too. Got it.
S~V~S wrote:That was not an ideal result; I would guess had we voted another option we would have possibly had baddie roles revealed. That would have been good.
Odd, isn't that what Scotty already posted?
Well, it is a sensible thing to say, isn't it? I expect more people might be saying it as time goes by :nicenod:
insertnamehere wrote:I'm guessing someone's role is that they gain a power every time they say "That's what she said."
I don't think either of them is playing; I think they just like to not sign up for games so they can then troll them in a droll way. You can call them Droll Trolls.
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S~V~S wrote:That was not an ideal result
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Re: [DAY ONE] The Office Mafia

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Why does everyone have to say "I am town aligned"? Shouldn't that be something we presume?
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Re: [Orientation] The Office Mafia

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S~V~S wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:I am not town aligned...... Is that right? No, it's not, idiot. You're town aligned, never let them see you slip again, moron.... Okay, sorry. I'm town aligned. Stop talking to yourself. Accuse FS of something, maybe SVS too. Got it.
S~V~S wrote:That was not an ideal result; I would guess had we voted another option we would have possibly had baddie roles revealed. That would have been good.
Odd, isn't that what Scotty already posted?
Well, it is a sensible thing to say, isn't it? I expect more people might be saying it as time goes by :nicenod:
insertnamehere wrote:I'm guessing someone's role is that they gain a power every time they say "That's what she said."
I don't think either of them is playing; I think they just like to not sign up for games so they can then troll them in a droll way. You can call them Droll Trolls.
I don't know. Stating the obvious after its been stated, seems... redundant. :nicenod:
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Re: [DAY ONE] The Office Mafia

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Grasping at straws seems... graspy :srsnod:

In any case, just becasue one person says a thing, doesn't mean it should not be emphasized, or repeated. I am guessing we will have another poll tonight, and people will redundantly express their opinions on how to vote. Redundant may = tedious, but it does not = bad, at least not in this case. I am not bad, have no BTS and can't kill anyone :) Although I am, apparently, redundant.

I would prefer that we reveal bad roles, not civ ones. So discussing the results of the night poll should be something important, and something we should discuss.
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Re: [DAY ONE] The Office Mafia

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So... anyone able to tell me if this seems like Quin being Quin?
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