GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]

#2801

Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:Epig, is there a reason you are waiting to vote?
There was, but not really anymore.

Were you holding your vote to see if you needed to save your partner, BWT?

Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:I haven't been throwing doubts on MM, I've been saying he's civ?
He said I was "throwing doubts" on MM and BWT. My opinion was that MM was bad and that BWT was good. I interpreted "throwing doubts" as saying it was a bad lynch.

What about BWT specifically is making you feel so confident in his goodness?
And why didn't you vote for MM, who you are sure is bad, instead of casually throwing a useless vote on JJJ last second?

#2802

Scotty wrote:Wtf is going on.

And ha Epi got pretty incensed to quote the same post in 3 separate posts just to call bullshit on me. Was it something I said?

@Rico
What does it mean to "treble" the vote?

Yes, it was something you said. Clearly.

#2803

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:if BWT hasn't posted since Monday and isn't doing the killing, what about his partner?

If bwt is bad, then Epi is probably his partner.

Voting JJJ because too many people are decrying voting BWT. But see, he has had all this time to ask for a replacement and hasn't done it. If he looks bad, waiting for him to respond will only be an excuse for so long before it's just time to lynch him.

I would say the same for me if it came down to it and I hadn't responded to the mob
No wait, fuck Laconic humor.

If you really believe bird is bad, you should still be voting him. Why aren't you? And why the hell are you saying I'm bad if he is? Man up and stick to your guns. Don't bitch out and make a little bullshit statement you can hold on to afterward regardless of the result.
I believe them both to be bad. You really are the most vocal I think in calling for us to not lynch BWT, so it just makes sense that you're throwing shade around.

What does "throwing shade around" mean?

I am stating my opinions and calling people out for what I believe to be bad or insincere thinking.

#2804

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:if BWT hasn't posted since Monday and isn't doing the killing, what about his partner?

If bwt is bad, then Epi is probably his partner.

Voting JJJ because too many people are decrying voting BWT. But see, he has had all this time to ask for a replacement and hasn't done it. If he looks bad, waiting for him to respond will only be an excuse for so long before it's just time to lynch him.

I would say the same for me if it came down to it and I hadn't responded to the mob
No wait, fuck Laconic humor.

If you really believe bird is bad, you should still be voting him. Why aren't you? And why the hell are you saying I'm bad if he is? Man up and stick to your guns. Don't bitch out and make a little bullshit statement you can hold on to afterward regardless of the result.
I believe them both to be bad. You really are the most vocal I think in calling for us to not lynch BWT, so it just makes sense that you're throwing shade around.
What does "throwing shade around" mean?

I am stating my opinions and calling people out for what I believe to be bad or insincere thinking.

You answered your own question.

Do you think I am insincere in my thinking?

#2805

Would it be unbalanced to think that the SK would have one lynch stop?

do we think that the same role has a mechanism that is stopping these lynches or 2 separate lynch stops on 2 separate factions?

I'm in the camp that MM is a civ with a lynch stop and JJJ is in another camp with a lynch stop.

#2806

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:Epig, is there a reason you are waiting to vote?
There was, but not really anymore.
Were you holding your vote to see if you needed to save your partner, BWT?

This is really stupid.

Votes are changeable. If I need to save someone, I can change my vote. Do you see how that works.

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:I haven't been throwing doubts on MM, I've been saying he's civ?
He said I was "throwing doubts" on MM and BWT. My opinion was that MM was bad and that BWT was good. I interpreted "throwing doubts" as saying it was a bad lynch.
What about BWT specifically is making you feel so confident in his goodness?
And why didn't you vote for MM, who you are sure is bad, instead of casually throwing a useless vote on JJJ last second?

I'd save BWT even if he wasn't my partner. I've done it before. Dude gets lynched Day 1 even in a fucking sockpuppet game. I feel bad for him, and he seemed to be really having a go at this one. I don't really care about his alignment. I'm happy he has had a chance to actually play a game past Day 2.

I am not confident in BWT's goodness, and I am not sure MM is bad.

How was my 3J vote casual and last second? I said I was going to vote 3J a long time ago but took my time in thinking about it. I voted when I did because that's when I voted. Your vote was casual and last second.

Is there any purpose to your questioning, Scotty?

#2807

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:if BWT hasn't posted since Monday and isn't doing the killing, what about his partner?

If bwt is bad, then Epi is probably his partner.

Voting JJJ because too many people are decrying voting BWT. But see, he has had all this time to ask for a replacement and hasn't done it. If he looks bad, waiting for him to respond will only be an excuse for so long before it's just time to lynch him.

I would say the same for me if it came down to it and I hadn't responded to the mob
No wait, fuck Laconic humor.

If you really believe bird is bad, you should still be voting him. Why aren't you? And why the hell are you saying I'm bad if he is? Man up and stick to your guns. Don't bitch out and make a little bullshit statement you can hold on to afterward regardless of the result.
I believe them both to be bad. You really are the most vocal I think in calling for us to not lynch BWT, so it just makes sense that you're throwing shade around.
What does "throwing shade around" mean?

I am stating my opinions and calling people out for what I believe to be bad or insincere thinking.
You answered your own question.

Do you think I am insincere in my thinking?

Then you don't know what "throwing shade" means.

#2808

Scotty wrote:Would it be unbalanced to think that the SK would have one lynch stop?

No, but I don't think balance is an issue anymore.

Scotty wrote:do we think that the same role has a mechanism that is stopping these lynches or 2 separate lynch stops on 2 separate factions?

I don't know what "we" think. There is no "we."

Scotty wrote:I'm in the camp that MM is a civ with a lynch stop and JJJ is in another camp with a lynch stop.

I'm not.

#2809

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This phase has not moved enough. Last phase was too slow and this one is even worse. Whatever your beliefs about the circumstance in this game right now, the effort level needs to improve. I understand we don't all have all day to play this game, but this is still not good enough. There's barely been 30-40 posts this phase and half of them are mine. There are at least three baddies out there and given the current trajectory of discussion it's not getting any better this phase. Find baddies or lose. Period.

I've done what circumstances have allowed me to do.

#2810

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Join the circumstantial suspicion club.
Do you feel the circumstantial suspicion you've faced has been unfounded?

I'll note: the matter of balance has been addressed for the SK. A recruiting power is always a strong boon. The mafia team however remains unaddressed in this regard: a 3-player team against 14-15 high-powered civilians and a recruitment-capable SK still sounds like it needs help.

I don't think they're unfounded. Trice and I tied in a lynch, and no one died. Trice later died to reveal he had no such power saving, so suspecting me for having something to do with it is a logical conclusion.

#2811

Epignosis wrote:I don't understand the certainty surrounding birdwithteeth.

If you lynch birdwithteeth, and he's good, you done fucked up real good.

Aaaaaaaaand that's how the game of mafia is played.

#2812

Quin wrote:I don't like G-Man questioning where he stood when he subbed in in terms of MP's reputation. Civ-minded folk don't care about that.

I agree with this.

#2813

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Oh boy.

This guy...

#2814

Scotty wrote: @Rico
What does it mean to "treble" the vote?

Vote = 3

#2815

LoRab wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Oh boy.
Can you clarify what you mean by that?

Nothing really. A sarcastic acknowledgment that this fun will continue for me.

I'm going to the Bengals game today so I'm again out of commission until later. If nothing else I'm glad to see the discussion has started to move in a direction other than *cricket* "lynch JJJ" *cricket*. I'll do my best to use my time productively when I have it.

#2816

I wonder if Epignosis also wants to lynch Jay until he's dead.

#2817

Did some technicolors. I forgot how long these things take. I have to give my daughter her bottle and then I will crunch this data as well. Look them over and share your thoughts!

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#2818

@G-Man, I think trice is considered a civilian. His role is revealed either when he's checked by Motherfucker/Redeemer, when he is lynched, when ALFOTHAD dies, or when recruited. Since it was revealed upon trice's death, he could not have been recruited (I think we all realize this lol).

But also, the setlist has him listed in pink and green, which are the Indy and civilian colors respectively.

#2819

I don't think I've ever been alive for your technicolor votes. What do you usually do with them?

#2820

Metalmarsh89 wrote:@G-Man, I think trice is considered a civilian. His role is revealed either when he's checked by Motherfucker/Redeemer, when he is lynched, when ALFOTHAD dies, or when recruited. Since it was revealed upon trice's death, he could not have been recruited (I think we all realize this lol).

But also, the setlist has him listed in pink and green, which are the Indy and civilian colors respectively.

Danke schön. I'll edit that with my next batch if I'm alive after the night post.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't think I've ever been alive for your technicolor votes. What do you usually do with them?

I use them to look for potential patterns in the votes. Sometimes they reveal early-voting baddies and other times they revel patient baddies who wait out the day. They can also be used to look for things that can be debated as to whether they are coincidental or not (for instance, everyone but MP/me that voted for you on Day 3 is now dead via NK. Kind of odd but the oddity is offset by the fact that those NK's are a blend of SK and Mafia.

As more people die, it becomes a more useful form of POE. You start to see who is left, whom they voted for, and when they voted. It's not 100% effective but it's served me well in the handful of games that I've employed it.

In this game, the amount of missed votes, non-lynches, and no-kill nights makes it hard to be confident about anything just yet but here is a list of the ten of you ranked from best-looking votes to worst-looking votes. Keep in mind that this is in a vacuum without thread context, so a dash of tinfoil always goes into interpreting votes like this:

LoRab
Metalmarsh89
Sloonei/Quin
JaggedJimmyJay
Scotty
Sig
Birdwithteeth11
Dom
Timmer
Epignosis

#2821

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
LoRab wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Oh boy.
Can you clarify what you mean by that?
If nothing else I'm glad to see the discussion has started to move in a direction other than *cricket* "lynch JJJ" *cricket*.

Has it, though?

#2822

timmer wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
LoRab wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Oh boy.
Can you clarify what you mean by that?
If nothing else I'm glad to see the discussion has started to move in a direction other than *cricket* "lynch JJJ" *cricket*.
Has it, though?

Yes I think so. I know I'm still most likely being lynched, that's not my meaning. I mean yesterday that's nearly the only thing anyone bothered to talk about which is a giant waste of civilian time. That needs to change even if I am lynched. It has started to.

#2823

Doing an early Christmas at my grandma's house this afternoon. I should have time this evening to elaborate on my list.

#2824

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:Epig, is there a reason you are waiting to vote?
There was, but not really anymore.
Were you holding your vote to see if you needed to save your partner, BWT?
This is really stupid.

Votes are changeable. If I need to save someone, I can change my vote. Do you see how that works.

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:I haven't been throwing doubts on MM, I've been saying he's civ?
He said I was "throwing doubts" on MM and BWT. My opinion was that MM was bad and that BWT was good. I interpreted "throwing doubts" as saying it was a bad lynch.
What about BWT specifically is making you feel so confident in his goodness?
And why didn't you vote for MM, who you are sure is bad, instead of casually throwing a useless vote on JJJ last second?
I'd save BWT even if he wasn't my partner. I've done it before. Dude gets lynched Day 1 even in a fucking sockpuppet game. I feel bad for him, and he seemed to be really having a go at this one. I don't really care about his alignment. I'm happy he has had a chance to actually play a game past Day 2.

I am not confident in BWT's goodness, and I am not sure MM is bad.

How was my 3J vote casual and last second? I said I was going to vote 3J a long time ago but took my time in thinking about it. I voted when I did because that's when I voted. Your vote was casual and last second.

Is there any purpose to your questioning, Scotty?

So it sounds like the only reason you're sticking your neck out for BWT is that he gets lynched early all the time? I agree that he doesn't last that long, but if he's bad, we gotta gitterdone.

"I don't really care about his alignment"
O rly. Then what are you trying to do in this game if not look for bad guys? If your "friend" showed up one day after having been away for years and demands you give him 20k for a surefire investment in the swamps, would you do it? He always gets a bad wrap for making bad investments, but he seems so earnest this time around, why not right?

Why did you wait to vote all day? If you were ultimately going to pile on to JJJ at the end?
My vote was hardly casual. Maybe last second, sure. You left the door open for a while when you said you were still thinking.

I think you're messier than usual this game, Epi.

#2825

Still Night 6: I Am Only Human (Reprise) -
Just This One More Time, It Should All Go According to Schedule Afterwards K Thx

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#2826

#2827

LoRab wrote:
Dom wrote:If 3J checked trice when he named him, the role would have gone public and it would have been obvious what happened.
My own thinking is that the SK knows that Jack knows his identity, but that the SK doesn't know Jack's entire role description. You seem to be assuming the opposite.

I get why you would vote 3J, but it just seems to be a set up to me.

If the Sk just knew who he was, why wouldn't he recruit him on night one?

Epignosis wrote:I understand that if birdwithteeth gets lynched and comes back bad I'm going to get shit for it, but I don't care.

birdwithteeth11
4
Metalmarsh89 (2), JaggedJimmyJay (9), Scotty (11), Quin (12)

Quite a party.

MM, who survived a lynch in a game where the civilians can skip a Night, block all actions including the kill, have BTSC and potential BTSC, a serious numbers advantage, among other abilities and secrets, is the first to vote birdwithteeth (a guy who apparently hasn't been around). If birdwithteeth is bad, I'd still say MM threw him under the bus (keep in mind, MM is the sort who Night killed his own teammate before).

The second is probably the serial killer and despite what he tells you, doesn't care who dies.

The third is a guy who has hardly been around.

The fourth is someone who recently subbed in, and whose best judgment was to keep a killer around simply because he posts "useful" things.

None of these votes seem well-informed or well-intentioned.

Not all of these people can be bad.

LoRab wrote:If 3J is the SK, then didn't trice break the rules of the game by info dumping?

Since when did this start regularly bearing conseuqnces?

#2828

Metalmarsh89 wrote:@G-Man, I think trice is considered a civilian. His role is revealed either when he's checked by Motherfucker/Redeemer, when he is lynched, when ALFOTHAD dies, or when recruited. Since it was revealed upon trice's death, he could not have been recruited (I think we all realize this lol).

But also, the setlist has him listed in pink and green, which are the Indy and civilian colors respectively.

The role literally says independent.

#2829

Metalmarsh89 wrote:@G-Man, I think trice is considered a civilian. His role is revealed either when he's checked by Motherfucker/Redeemer, when he is lynched, when ALFOTHAD dies, or when recruited. Since it was revealed upon trice's death, he could not have been recruited (I think we all realize this lol).

But also, the setlist has him listed in pink and green, which are the Indy and civilian colors respectively.

Dom beat me to it, but the role description is pretty clear that the role is indy if not recruited. NOT civ.

Answers in this color

Dom wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Dom wrote:If 3J checked trice when he named him, the role would have gone public and it would have been obvious what happened.
My own thinking is that the SK knows that Jack knows his identity, but that the SK doesn't know Jack's entire role description. You seem to be assuming the opposite.

I get why you would vote 3J, but it just seems to be a set up to me.
If the Sk just knew who he was, why wouldn't he recruit him on night one?

Huh? Not what what I meant. I meant that the SK could know (from the start of the game) that Jack knows who the SK is. Not that the SK knows who Jack is, obviously. I don't think that the SK knew Jack's entire role description from the start, though.

Epignosis wrote:I understand that if birdwithteeth gets lynched and comes back bad I'm going to get shit for it, but I don't care.

birdwithteeth11
4
Metalmarsh89 (2), JaggedJimmyJay (9), Scotty (11), Quin (12)

Quite a party.

MM, who survived a lynch in a game where the civilians can skip a Night, block all actions including the kill, have BTSC and potential BTSC, a serious numbers advantage, among other abilities and secrets, is the first to vote birdwithteeth (a guy who apparently hasn't been around). If birdwithteeth is bad, I'd still say MM threw him under the bus (keep in mind, MM is the sort who Night killed his own teammate before).

The second is probably the serial killer and despite what he tells you, doesn't care who dies.

The third is a guy who has hardly been around.

The fourth is someone who recently subbed in, and whose best judgment was to keep a killer around simply because he posts "useful" things.

None of these votes seem well-informed or well-intentioned.
Not all of these people can be bad.

LoRab wrote:If 3J is the SK, then didn't trice break the rules of the game by info dumping?
Since when did this start regularly bearing conseuqnces?

Good point. But I also don't feel like players usually blatantly info dump. Or maybe I just get annoyed enough when people do that I block out that it happens. And am in denial when it does because I prefer to believe that people aren't blatantly breaking rules in their game play.

#2830

You have more faith in people than I do.

#2831

Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I understand that if birdwithteeth gets lynched and comes back bad I'm going to get shit for it, but I don't care.

birdwithteeth11
4
Metalmarsh89 (2), JaggedJimmyJay (9), Scotty (11), Quin (12)

Quite a party.

MM, who survived a lynch in a game where the civilians can skip a Night, block all actions including the kill, have BTSC and potential BTSC, a serious numbers advantage, among other abilities and secrets, is the first to vote birdwithteeth (a guy who apparently hasn't been around). If birdwithteeth is bad, I'd still say MM threw him under the bus (keep in mind, MM is the sort who Night killed his own teammate before).

The second is probably the serial killer and despite what he tells you, doesn't care who dies.

The third is a guy who has hardly been around.

The fourth is someone who recently subbed in, and whose best judgment was to keep a killer around simply because he posts "useful" things.

None of these votes seem well-informed or well-intentioned.
Not all of these people can be bad.

I wasn't accusing them all of being bad.

#2832

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:Epig, is there a reason you are waiting to vote?
There was, but not really anymore.
Were you holding your vote to see if you needed to save your partner, BWT?
This is really stupid.

Votes are changeable. If I need to save someone, I can change my vote. Do you see how that works.

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:I haven't been throwing doubts on MM, I've been saying he's civ?
He said I was "throwing doubts" on MM and BWT. My opinion was that MM was bad and that BWT was good. I interpreted "throwing doubts" as saying it was a bad lynch.
What about BWT specifically is making you feel so confident in his goodness?
And why didn't you vote for MM, who you are sure is bad, instead of casually throwing a useless vote on JJJ last second?
I'd save BWT even if he wasn't my partner. I've done it before. Dude gets lynched Day 1 even in a fucking sockpuppet game. I feel bad for him, and he seemed to be really having a go at this one. I don't really care about his alignment. I'm happy he has had a chance to actually play a game past Day 2.

I am not confident in BWT's goodness, and I am not sure MM is bad.

How was my 3J vote casual and last second? I said I was going to vote 3J a long time ago but took my time in thinking about it. I voted when I did because that's when I voted. Your vote was casual and last second.

Is there any purpose to your questioning, Scotty?
So it sounds like the only reason you're sticking your neck out for BWT is that he gets lynched early all the time? I agree that he doesn't last that long, but if he's bad, we gotta gitterdone.

"I don't really care about his alignment"
O rly. Then what are you trying to do in this game if not look for bad guys? If your "friend" showed up one day after having been away for years and demands you give him 20k for a surefire investment in the swamps, would you do it? He always gets a bad wrap for making bad investments, but he seems so earnest this time around, why not right?

Why did you wait to vote all day? If you were ultimately going to pile on to JJJ at the end?
My vote was hardly casual. Maybe last second, sure. You left the door open for a while when you said you were still thinking.

I think you're messier than usual this game, Epi.

I waited because I felt like it.

Why is birdwithteeth bad, Scotty?

#2833

Scotty wrote:I think you're messier than usual this game, Epi.

And what exactly does this say about me? Am I messy when I'm bad? How exactly am I messy here? Does messy = bad alignment? Are you accusing me of having a disorganized spreadsheet?

#2834

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I wonder if Epignosis also wants to lynch Jay until he's dead.

#2835

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I wonder if Epignosis also wants to lynch Jay until he's dead.

Thanks for letting me know.

#2836

Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I wonder if Epignosis also wants to lynch Jay until he's dead.
Thanks for letting me know.

Do you care if the civilians win? 10 Christmas cookies and a partridge in a pear tree says you don't.

#2837

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I wonder if Epignosis also wants to lynch Jay until he's dead.
Thanks for letting me know.
Do you care if the civilians win? 10 Christmas cookies and a partridge in a pear tree says you don't.

So 3J is a civilian now?

#2838

Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I wonder if Epignosis also wants to lynch Jay until he's dead.
Thanks for letting me know.
Do you care if the civilians win? 10 Christmas cookies and a partridge in a pear tree says you don't.
So 3J is a civilian now?

I doubt it. I'm just poking you, because I'm worried you don't.

#2839

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I wonder if Epignosis also wants to lynch Jay until he's dead.
Thanks for letting me know.
Do you care if the civilians win? 10 Christmas cookies and a partridge in a pear tree says you don't.
So 3J is a civilian now?
I doubt it. I'm just poking you, because I'm worried you don't.

What gives you that worry?

#2840

Night 6: The Infinite Regress

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#2841

Fuck Christmas.

#2842

Look at who isn't on the lynch poll.

#2843

Every time this year, same old shit- gimmie gimmie gimmie.

#2844

This insanifier is a real grinch.

#2845

Epignosis wrote:Fuck Christmas.

AEVNWOHUHGXK

#2846

god damn it

#2847

God started it. Christmas every year now. And what for?

#2848

thanks for a great game, Rico!

#2849

this blows.

wilgy-- have you read anything?

#2850

Hello everyone, my name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a doctor.

I'm back from the dead and just checking in. I haven't read the thread since I died though.

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

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