GAME OVER: BLUE vs. RED

[Epignosis]

"Consider: If he's mafia, then he knows I'm not bad, so what's his exit strategy should he prove successful?"

[Epignosis]

I have wanted to string llama up for the way he's been characterizing people and acting like Day 0 stuff is more important than Day 3 stuff.

Why does that make him bad though?

It doesn't. Only the role G-Man gave him makes him bad.

Spoiler: show

[G-Man]

SUDDENLY I SEE

(WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 25, 2017)

BRIAN KILMEADE: Good morning everybody. It is Wednesday, January 25th. The hits just keep on coming for Hillary Clinton. Fox News has confirmed that longtime Clinton ally Cheryl Mills has resigned from her position as White House Chief of Staff as of early this morning. Rumors of her potential departure began to swirl as early as Sunday.

STEVE DOOCY: And who can really blame her? The Clinton Administration has been a mess and it hasn't even been a full week yet. Between this mysterious Operation Cobalt challenging the legitimacy of the election, her Vice President exceeding his authority at best, sexual impropriety by her husband, the Podesta emails, and now dissent and turmoil amidst her White House staff, she hasn't even been able to get to work on any policy issues.

AINSLEY EARHARDT: This has even some Democratic lawmakers concerned already as to how these controversies and stumbles may impact her ability to get anything done with a Republican-majority Congress.

BRIAN KILMEADE: And when you consider that there wasn't much goodwill left for Congress to extend to begin with, you have to wonder if all of the Clinton political capital of old has lust it's luster.

STEVE DOOCY: Or maybe it was just Fool's Gold to begin with.

AINSLEY EARHARDT: Whatever the reasons for Cheryl Mills' departure, her nearly silent exit speaks volumes.

BRIAN KILMEADE: In other news, the White House announced this morning that it has terminated the controversial voting experiment enacted by a recent executive order. When asked for more details...

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TheFloyd73 has quit the Clinton Administration. He was...

Spoiler: show

CHERYL MILLS
Longtime Clinton ally and Hillary Clinton's Chief of Staff. Vanilla civvie.

It is now Day 5.

You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

[MacDougall]

What a scandal

[thellama73]

"Consider: If he's mafia, then he knows I'm not bad, so what's his exit strategy should he prove successful?"

Assuming you are civ, his exit strategy would be the same as that of anyone who leads a lynch on a civ. "Oops, I was wrong. I feel stupid." As someone who routinely leads mislynches in games, I find that I don't often get lynched in return for it.

[Epignosis]

"Consider: If he's mafia, then he knows I'm not bad, so what's his exit strategy should he prove successful?"

Assuming you are civ, his exit strategy would be the same as that of anyone who leads a lynch on a civ. "Oops, I was wrong. I feel stupid." As someone who routinely leads mislynches in games, I find that I don't often get lynched in return for it.

I said I wasn't going to defend him Day 5, so I'm holding to that.

[Epignosis]

If notsawyer is bad, I bet MM is bad too.

I imagine them in BTSC, MM's teammates frustrated that he has pledged to not Night kill me (thanks MM!), but having to do something about me. So they go balls to the wall to get me lynched, unaware that they cleared me Night 1.

And even if notsawyer isn't bad, I bet MM is bad anyway.

[TheFloyd73]

Alas, I have been killed.

[MacDougall]

I am gonna just go by the assumption Epi is civ tbh. If he is bad good on him.

[Epignosis]

I am gonna just go by the assumption Epi is civ tbh. If he is bad good on him.

I appreciate that, but I could do with some more analysis from you. There's been a lot of dick-waving, and if you will notice, nobody left wants to get hit in the face with a dick.

[Epignosis]

MM refuses to kill me.

I'm still alive.

MM tried to get me lynched.

What think you of MM?

[DrWilgy]

Ho boi. I'm dead in the GoC again. What did I miss?

[Long Con]

Floyd is officially dead in a ditch now.

[Quin]

Ho boi. I'm dead in the GoC again. What did I miss?

i got rezzed

[DrWilgy]

Floyd is officially dead in a ditch now.

That's a shame. I wonder why Floyd?

Ho boi. I'm dead in the GoC again. What did I miss?

i got rezzed

I'd be down for that.

[Marmot]

If notsawyer is bad, I bet MM is bad too.

I imagine them in BTSC, MM's teammates frustrated that he has pledged to not Night kill me (thanks MM!), but having to do something about me. So they go balls to the wall to get me lynched, unaware that they cleared me Night 1.

And even if notsawyer isn't bad, I bet MM is bad anyway.

You've made it past Day 1, so you've concluded that I'm mafia?

[Marmot]

MM refuses to kill me.

I'm still alive.

MM tried to get me lynched.

What think you of MM?

I think folks ought to entertain the notion that you're mafia.

The fact that you're pushing this simple-minded approach encourages that idea.

What do folks think of that?

[MacDougall]

MM refuses to kill me.

I'm still alive.

MM tried to get me lynched.

What think you of MM?

I think folks ought to entertain the notion that you're mafia.

The fact that you're pushing this simple-minded approach encourages that idea.

What do folks think of that?

It doesn't look like anything to me.

[MacDougall]

MM refuses to kill me.

I'm still alive.

MM tried to get me lynched.

What think you of MM?

He is a swell guy.

[MacDougall]

Can we go back to lynching my day 1 scum reads? Faraday plz.

[thellama73]

I need to reread MM today. Haven't given him a good hard look in a while, so it's on my to do list.

[Marmot]

I need to reread MM today. Haven't given him a good hard look in a while, so it's on my to do list.

Read Skeletor while you'really at it.

[Long Con]

you'really

Fancy!

[thellama73]

I need to reread MM today. Haven't given him a good hard look in a while, so it's on my to do list.

Read Skeletor while you'really at it.

Okay, I will.

[Epignosis]

If notsawyer is bad, I bet MM is bad too.

I imagine them in BTSC, MM's teammates frustrated that he has pledged to not Night kill me (thanks MM!), but having to do something about me. So they go balls to the wall to get me lynched, unaware that they cleared me Night 1.

And even if notsawyer isn't bad, I bet MM is bad anyway.

You've made it past Day 1, so you've concluded that I'm mafia?

Is your code never to kill me Night 1 or never to kill me?

[thellama73]

I want to call attention to this post on Day 1. I remember thinking it was odd at the time. It was preceded by no interaction between Metalmarsh89 and Jack, and seemed to come out of the blue to me. How do other people read this interaction?

None of the Post links in the OP work.

I've memorized the thread.

What are you looking for?

The part where you admitted you're mafia.

[thellama73]

If notsawyer is bad, I bet MM is bad too.

I imagine them in BTSC, MM's teammates frustrated that he has pledged to not Night kill me (thanks MM!), but having to do something about me. So they go balls to the wall to get me lynched, unaware that they cleared me Night 1.

And even if notsawyer isn't bad, I bet MM is bad anyway.

You've made it past Day 1, so you've concluded that I'm mafia?

Is your code never to kill me Night 1 or never to kill me?

It's definitely not me, I woulda killed Epignosis Night 1.

[thellama73]

Next, let's look at this post. MM was the first one to point out that women were being killed. Could be sincere, or he might be lampshading his own strategy. Or if I were a Freudian, I might say it looks like guilt over his kill targets coming out. Again, I lay the post before the court.

Those Republican assholes are eliminating women at an alarming rate.

Hillary would be most displeased, as am I.

[thellama73]

The last thing about Metalmarsh; his suspicion of Epi.

I don't quite know what to make of this. The very first suspicion MM posted was of Epi for not playing hard enough. Then he flopped back and forth between civ and bad Epi for another couple of days before solidifying on Day 3. I asked him to explain his suspicion and he said it was "infoil" and refused to elaborate. After Quin's death, he's been more insistent still. As noted above, he also said " I woulda killed Epi night 1" which indicates a love of WIFOM as well as a desire to get Epi out of the game.

So basically, MM has wanted Epi gone with increasing intensity since Day 1.

Why?

Could be a genuine suspicion. And MM said all his suspicions are genuine, but the flopping back and forth seems odd in that case, as well as his brief attempt to partner with Epi to lynch me yesterday.

Could be a fear of being caught by Epi. As someone who has been caught by Epi many times, I can relate to that. But in that case why not just kill him at night? I have to mull.

Going to read Skeletor now.

[Marmot]

If notsawyer is bad, I bet MM is bad too.

I imagine them in BTSC, MM's teammates frustrated that he has pledged to not Night kill me (thanks MM!), but having to do something about me. So they go balls to the wall to get me lynched, unaware that they cleared me Night 1.

And even if notsawyer isn't bad, I bet MM is bad anyway.

You've made it past Day 1, so you've concluded that I'm mafia?

Is your code never to kill me Night 1 or never to kill me?

The former of the two.

That said, I don't kill you very often regardless, so it's trended to both.

[Marmot]

you'really

Fancy!

Cursed phone autocorrect.

[Marmot]

The last thing about Metalmarsh; his suspicion of Epi.

I don't quite know what to make of this. The very first suspicion MM posted was of Epi for not playing hard enough. Then he flopped back and forth between civ and bad Epi for another couple of days before solidifying on Day 3. I asked him to explain his suspicion and he said it was "infoil" and refused to elaborate. After Quin's death, he's been more insistent still. As noted above, he also said " I woulda killed Epi night 1" which indicates a love of WIFOM as well as a desire to get Epi out of the game.

So basically, MM has wanted Epi gone with increasing intensity since Day 1.

Why?

Could be a genuine suspicion. And MM said all his suspicions are genuine, but the flopping back and forth seems odd in that case, as well as his brief attempt to partner with Epi to lynch me yesterday.

Could be a fear of being caught by Epi. As someone who has been caught by Epi many times, I can relate to that. But in that case why not just kill him at night? I have to mull.

Going to read Skeletor now.

I decided to back off of my Epignosis suspicion yesterday, because if I'm wrong, I know he's a good player to keep around as a civilian.

What I don't like is his accusation today. It's a valid point I'll admit, but it's undefendable.

[thellama73]

I'll say one thing for Epi. He keeps his word.

Quin missed my original point and misinterpreted my question. Hence we are talking in circles.

Placeholder vote on Quin. I don't think my original point was that obscure.

You had the chance to reiterate your point. Why didn't you take it, and instead choose to believe that I'm (assumedly purposefully) misinterpreting your question?

I'm not putting up with Quin getting into bullshit arguments with S~V~S. I will lynch both of you if this happens.

[Marmot]

I'll say one thing for Epi. He keeps his word.

Quin missed my original point and misinterpreted my question. Hence we are talking in circles.

Placeholder vote on Quin. I don't think my original point was that obscure.

You had the chance to reiterate your point. Why didn't you take it, and instead choose to believe that I'm (assumedly purposefully) misinterpreting your question?

I'm not putting up with Quin getting into bullshit arguments with S~V~S. I will lynch both of you if this happens.

[thellama73]

So here's the thing about Epi. A lot of his gameplay doesn't make sense to me.

Why did he argue so hard to prevent Jack from being lynched?
Why has he defended Sawyer so hard?
Why have his accusations of other players been so scattershot? I'm pretty sure at this point he has gone after everybody.

I have a hard time believing that Epi, even at his ballsiest, would stick his neck out so far to defend an outed teammate. Then again, if anyone would, he would. Either way, it's bizarre behavior.
I think the answer to the third question is fishing for reactions, which is something I associate with civvies more than baddies.

It has been pointed out thta odd behavior des not necessarily mean baddie behavior, and while I would certainly call Epi's behavior this game odd, I do not believe that he is bad.

[Marmot]

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I have a hard time believing that Epi, even at his ballsiest, would stick his neck out so far to defend an outed teammate. Then again, if anyone would, he would. Either way, it's bizarre behavior.

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My qualm with this behavior: Epignosis wanted to keep jack alive for the purpose of observing his behavior and hunting for baddies based on that. But the problem is, Epignosis did none of that, and even promoted the opposite when Quin promoted the idea of lynching him.

[thellama73]

<snip>

I have a hard time believing that Epi, even at his ballsiest, would stick his neck out so far to defend an outed teammate. Then again, if anyone would, he would. Either way, it's bizarre behavior.

<snip>

My qualm with this behavior: Epignosis wanted to keep jack alive for the purpose of observing his behavior and hunting for baddies based on that. But the problem is, Epignosis did none of that, and even promoted the opposite when Quin promoted the idea of lynching him.

I don't think Epi's reasoning for keeping Jack alive was to observe him. As I recall, he always advocated ignoring him. He just thought lynching him was a waste of a day, since we already knew his role. At least that was my understanding.

[Epignosis]

<snip>

I have a hard time believing that Epi, even at his ballsiest, would stick his neck out so far to defend an outed teammate. Then again, if anyone would, he would. Either way, it's bizarre behavior.

<snip>

My qualm with this behavior: Epignosis wanted to keep jack alive for the purpose of observing his behavior and hunting for baddies based on that. But the problem is, Epignosis did none of that, and even promoted the opposite when Quin promoted the idea of lynching him.

I don't think Epi's reasoning for keeping Jack alive was to observe him. As I recall, he always advocated ignoring him. He just thought lynching him was a waste of a day, since we already knew his role. At least that was my understanding.

Llama is correct. I wasn't interested in a thing Jack said or did after that point.

[DFaraday]

I would be fine with either Notsawyer or MM, but it seems like it's going to be between Epi and MM, and I see the case on MM, whereas I'm reading Epi as civ.

[Epignosis]

I would be fine with either Notsawyer or MM, but it seems like it's going to be between Epi and MM, and I see the case on MM, whereas I'm reading Epi as civ.

It's far too early to say who it's going to be between.

I hope I am not stuck in an endgame scenario with MM and Wilgy. Civilians will lose.

[DrWilgy]

I would be fine with either Notsawyer or MM, but it seems like it's going to be between Epi and MM, and I see the case on MM, whereas I'm reading Epi as civ.

It's far too early to say who it's going to be between.

I hope I am not stuck in an endgame scenario with MM and Wilgy. Civilians will lose.

Same tbh.

[Long Con]

What's your ideal endgame scenario?

[DrWilgy]

What's your ideal endgame scenario?

One without Sawyer as I'm having trouble determining if he's just wrong and without Epi as I'm having trouble determining if his play is civvy or not. Ideally we lynch both and they flip bad, then game over and I will be satisfied. I do not think that this is a realistic case however.

[Epignosis]

What's your ideal endgame scenario?

I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.

[Long Con]

What's your ideal endgame scenario?

I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.

You're pushing that point so hard, it's starting to have the opposite effect on me. I'm going to place a vote on you for now.

Vote Epignosis

[Marmot]

I would be fine with either Notsawyer or MM, but it seems like it's going to be between Epi and MM, and I see the case on MM, whereas I'm reading Epi as civ.

It's far too early to say who it's going to be between.

I hope I am not stuck in an endgame scenario with MM and Wilgy. Civilians will lose.

Spoiler: show

[DrWilgy]

I would be fine with either Notsawyer or MM, but it seems like it's going to be between Epi and MM, and I see the case on MM, whereas I'm reading Epi as civ.

It's far too early to say who it's going to be between.

I hope I am not stuck in an endgame scenario with MM and Wilgy. Civilians will lose.

Hmm... we also can't have this scenario if you are dead before endgame.

[G-Man]

THE WHITE HOUSE

EXECUTIVE ORDER
13766
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PRESERVING SECURITY AND STABILITY

By virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Declaration of Curfew. The Attorney General of the United States shall declare and maintain a curfew on the night of Wednesday, January 25, 2017. Notice of this curfew will be provided to any impacted areas by noon on Wednesday, January 25, 2017.

Section 2. Implementation of the Curfew. All resources currently at the disposal of the United States Justice Department may be employed on areas specified by the President. Local and state police may be called upon to enforce the curfew in any areas declared. The President will instruct the National Guard to stand at the ready should their participation be deemed necessary.

Section 3. Lifting of the Curfew. On the morning of Thursday, January 26, 2017, any curfews enacted under this executive order will be lifted and their effectiveness evaluated.

HILLARY R. CLINTON

THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 24, 2017

[thellama73]

I'm posting this for the sole purpose of soliciting Hillary Points.

Spoiler: show

[Marmot]

What will a curfew entail?