Pokemon Mafia [ENDGAME]

#601

I'm paranoid about everything right now.

#602

Tink wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:51 pm
DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:50 pm I would be fine with voting Tink or Dom, as they haven't contributed as of yet. If Dys doesn't offer something again soon, I'd say get her out as well. Eloh at least has, although I think it's bizarre that she keeps insisting that Tink is good, when I don't see how she could know that so early in the game.
Why is everybody voting for me? Is it because people think I'm just easy to get out?

Why did you vote G-Man yesterday, do you still think G-Man is bad, did you not see the vote count when you voted?

#603

I'm actually asking these questions cus I don't want to lynch you now, but those are my biggest questions I need answered, and why I'm voting rn.

#604

Why are our votes so spread out when we have someone still in the game who hasn't posted once?

Catching up now.

#605

The issue I have here with Elo is that there has to be a TDome with Boo I think, but I don't think Eloh is active enough to warrant a true one. A Boo flip will clear or damn Elo. An Elo lynch doesn't necessarily clear or damn Boo. IE if Eloh flips town, we still have questions about Boo, but if Boo flips town it's almost an auto-lynch on Elo at that point.

I can see the latch from a certain perspective as tonally read someone and to cut off the habit of lynching people on vacation. There's so many low posters that they all can't be scum. I just feel if Eloh is scum, a hard latch just doesn't make sense. I don't know enough about Elo to make that judgment if that kind of ballsy play is one she makes as scum. I think an Elo scum lynch would spew Tink clear though.

#606

He sounds bad. Does he sound bad to you?

#607

Sorry Tink, piggybacking on DDL 's vote.

#608

Everyone.

DOM IS STILL ALIVE

why are we voting for someone who has the potential to contribute as their vacation won't last forever? Explain it to me as if I'm 5.

#609

So I think Eloh flip could work here too. A Scum result clears two big question marks, but a town flip leaves us at the same place.

A scum Tink flip leaves us more or less in the same place, a town flip leaves us with mislynch pushes

A Dom flip really doesn't do anything for us

And a Boo scum flip clears Eloh and LC, but a town flip leaves us with nothing.

A G flip scum flip would clear me and possibly Tink, depending of she answers, town flip wouldn't mean much for Tink, and I know I'm town so w/e fight me.

So what's the best outcome here Wilgy? You seemed smart in that game I played with you that one time?

#610

I won't flip scum.

#611

Tink wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:03 pm He sounds bad. Does he sound bad to you?

Yes he sounds super bad, just was wondering if you still felt that way and did you just not vote for anyone else cus you thought G was the worst.

I think it's town points that you didn't push the lynch for him today though (voted DDL) knowing whether or not I'd be an easy sway onto G.

#612

Went ahead and voted Tink.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:01 pm The issue I have here with Elo is that there has to be a TDome with Boo I think, but I don't think Eloh is active enough to warrant a true one. A Boo flip will clear or damn Elo. An Elo lynch doesn't necessarily clear or damn Boo. IE if Eloh flips town, we still have questions about Boo, but if Boo flips town it's almost an auto-lynch on Elo at that point.

I can see the latch from a certain perspective as tonally read someone and to cut off the habit of lynching people on vacation. There's so many low posters that they all can't be scum. I just feel if Eloh is scum, a hard latch just doesn't make sense. I don't know enough about Elo to make that judgment if that kind of ballsy play is one she makes as scum. I think an Elo scum lynch would spew Tink clear though.

Wait, why's that?

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #613

I don't think Tink is bad, I think it's worth listening to Eloh's judgment there lol. I'd rather vote for sprityo than her -- in fact I've been sitting on a weird feeling about sprityo for a couple days now and haven't really tried to articulate it but he's actually the player I feel most comfortable throwing a vote onto right now. I know it doesn't look great to say that out of the blue in this situation, especially if Tink flips bad, but I don't suspect her and I think it would be fair to give her more of a chance to play.

#614

A Dom flip does 2 very important things for us.
1. On flip, If civ, this validates that mafia may be amongst the ones preaching to purge low posters. On flip, if mafia, we can assume mafai aren't wanting to hit low posters.
2. We kill a wallflower, and won't have to deal with it later.

Assuming we gain no info from a wallflower purge is shallow.

#615

I'm voting Sprityo. Top suss, best bet. Good discussion today, Fred.

#616

I changed my vote so I don't get lynched.

#617

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:12 pm Went ahead and voted Tink.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:01 pm The issue I have here with Elo is that there has to be a TDome with Boo I think, but I don't think Eloh is active enough to warrant a true one. A Boo flip will clear or damn Elo. An Elo lynch doesn't necessarily clear or damn Boo. IE if Eloh flips town, we still have questions about Boo, but if Boo flips town it's almost an auto-lynch on Elo at that point.

I can see the latch from a certain perspective as tonally read someone and to cut off the habit of lynching people on vacation. There's so many low posters that they all can't be scum. I just feel if Eloh is scum, a hard latch just doesn't make sense. I don't know enough about Elo to make that judgment if that kind of ballsy play is one she makes as scum. I think an Elo scum lynch would spew Tink clear though.
Wait, why's that?

Because she voted him at EOD with like 5 minutes left. She doesn't have enough town equity to survive a Boo town flip. In a scenario where both wagons are V/V it's very reasonable that scum wants the biggest threat gone. Boo was at least putting up his own defense last phase, Timmer from my recollection didn't have as much as a strong case on Boo. So if I'm in scum shoes there, I want a Boo lynch over Timmer lynch.

#618

QUICK DO I TIE THIS UP FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES?

#619

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:16 pm A Dom flip does 2 very important things for us.
1. On flip, If civ, this validates that mafia may be amongst the ones preaching to purge low posters. On flip, if mafia, we can assume mafai aren't wanting to hit low posters.
2. We kill a wallflower, and won't have to deal with it later.

Assuming we gain no info from a wallflower purge is shallow.

So you would rather vote him over Spirit? Are you scum leaning spirit as well?

#620

Fuck it yolo

#621

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:18 pm
DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:12 pm Went ahead and voted Tink.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:01 pm The issue I have here with Elo is that there has to be a TDome with Boo I think, but I don't think Eloh is active enough to warrant a true one. A Boo flip will clear or damn Elo. An Elo lynch doesn't necessarily clear or damn Boo. IE if Eloh flips town, we still have questions about Boo, but if Boo flips town it's almost an auto-lynch on Elo at that point.

I can see the latch from a certain perspective as tonally read someone and to cut off the habit of lynching people on vacation. There's so many low posters that they all can't be scum. I just feel if Eloh is scum, a hard latch just doesn't make sense. I don't know enough about Elo to make that judgment if that kind of ballsy play is one she makes as scum. I think an Elo scum lynch would spew Tink clear though.
Wait, why's that?
Because she voted him at EOD with like 5 minutes left. She doesn't have enough town equity to survive a Boo town flip. In a scenario where both wagons are V/V it's very reasonable that scum wants the biggest threat gone. Boo was at least putting up his own defense last phase, Timmer from my recollection didn't have as much as a strong case on Boo. So if I'm in scum shoes there, I want a Boo lynch over Timmer lynch.

Okay, I misinterpreted. Makes sense.

#622

#623

I guess I voted at 1021 not 1020...wouldn't let me change. Was hesitating because I thought the Spirit wagon came out of no where. The eff man. Like he wasn't even mentioned.

#624

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:21 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:16 pm A Dom flip does 2 very important things for us.
1. On flip, If civ, this validates that mafia may be amongst the ones preaching to purge low posters. On flip, if mafia, we can assume mafai aren't wanting to hit low posters.
2. We kill a wallflower, and won't have to deal with it later.

Assuming we gain no info from a wallflower purge is shallow.
So you would rather vote him over Spirit? Are you scum leaning spirit as well?

I'd like to kill both really. I wouldn't mind if wildflower tink dies as well, but I think it's dumb that we are lynching people that are actually participating.

#625

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:23 pm I guess I voted at 1021 not 1020...wouldn't let me change. Was hesitating because I thought the Spirit wagon came out of no where. The eff man. Like he wasn't even mentioned.

That was really out of left field. If Tink is lynched and comes back bad I'll be thinking save.

#626

This tie is actually ideal!
1. We may kill one of my 2 top suspects
2. We may kill a non participant
3. We get to test tie mechanics more

#627

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:27 pm
Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:23 pm I guess I voted at 1021 not 1020...wouldn't let me change. Was hesitating because I thought the Spirit wagon came out of no where. The eff man. Like he wasn't even mentioned.
That was really out of left field. If Tink is lynched and comes back bad I'll be thinking save.

My first thought as well.

#628

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:28 pm This tie is actually ideal!
1. We may kill one of my 2 top suspects
2. We may kill a non participant
3. We get to test tie mechanics more

There's a always a brightside.

#629

sptityo has been lynched.

He was this cat.

It is now Night 3.

#630

Oh wow. Good job, Sprit voters!

#631

I totally voted for Eloh but it appears it never registered. Definitely. That is what happened. Nothing to see here. Move along. These are not the droids you are looking for.

#632

Woo good shit!

#633

Fucking A...So clears Tink...no way does Mafia save her over Spirit so I think they were a V/W wagon. Glad I at least moved my vote off her to at least give her the chance in a tie.

I'm taking a couple pings of G-Man because I think he was the first to vote Spirit post Macs Early vote. Though I don't want to town clear him fully yet, I think he fully knows if he votes Tink there and it's a town flip, his goose is cooked. However he did cast shade on Spirit early in the phase, so he's in my wary group.

Not sure what to do about Mac's vote, and the last time I gave voter credit for Nutella it came back to bite me in the ass.

#634

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:39 pm Fucking A...So clears Tink...no way does Mafia save her over Spirit so I think they were a V/W wagon. Glad I at least moved my vote off her to at least give her the chance in a tie.

I'm taking a couple pings of G-Man because I think he was the first to vote Spirit post Macs Early vote. Though I don't want to town clear him fully yet, I think he fully knows if he votes Tink there and it's a town flip, his goose is cooked. However he did cast shade on Spirit early in the phase, so he's in my wary group.

Not sure what to do about Mac's vote, and the last time I gave voter credit for Nutella it came back to bite me in the ass.

I think given the timing Nutella's vote makes her look really good. I agree that Mac's isn't saying much either way.

#635

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:39 pm Fucking A...So clears Tink...no way does Mafia save her over Spirit so I think they were a V/W wagon. Glad I at least moved my vote off her to at least give her the chance in a tie.

I'm taking a couple pings of G-Man because I think he was the first to vote Spirit post Macs Early vote. Though I don't want to town clear him fully yet, I think he fully knows if he votes Tink there and it's a town flip, his goose is cooked. However he did cast shade on Spirit early in the phase, so he's in my wary group.

Not sure what to do about Mac's vote, and the last time I gave voter credit for Nutella it came back to bite me in the ass.

If I don't get credit for it I will throw a huge tantrum. That was pure Mac genius. That is how I hunt.

#636

Hmm, I'd go the other way with that. I think it mostly clears all of the spirit voters except for tink. I mean, it's by no means a sure thing any of them are good, but I certainly don't see us lynching any of them in the near future now.

Tink, on the other hand, I don't think is cleared at all. Spirit got piled on quickly, and a baddie tink would see that as an opportunity for some excellent cred to switch their vote there. Now that they're active(ish) it's worth bussing a teammate that got that kind of pile on since it can buy you more time, while making the future of said teammate extremely doubtful.

#637

You better recognize real quick just who y'all dealing with. Don't you ever doubt me. I am the motherfucker.

#638

Those on Tink: LC looks kind of bad, DDL too, DF was kind of middle of the road before this. Of all 4 voters I'm a little more inclined to give Wilgy a little more of town lean then the other 3, unless Dom is Wilgy's partner and he's super bussing him to build town equity to make the best out of a bad situation and had "yolo" inspired push to save Spirit. I'll have to analyze the vote I think to see if it was to build an even wagon to get another vote to force a lynch.

TLDR I can see why a town would be on a Tink lynch, but I'll eat my hate if at least one scum wasn't on the Tink lynch. Wilgy/Dom makes sense, don't know if Wilgy/Dom/Spirit make sense. 3 other three could be in a them/Spirit/Dom mafia.

Null for non-voters.

#639

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:39 pm Fucking A...So clears Tink...no way does Mafia save her over Spirit so I think they were a V/W wagon. Glad I at least moved my vote off her to at least give her the chance in a tie.

I'm taking a couple pings of G-Man because I think he was the first to vote Spirit post Macs Early vote. Though I don't want to town clear him fully yet, I think he fully knows if he votes Tink there and it's a town flip, his goose is cooked. However he did cast shade on Spirit early in the phase, so he's in my wary group.

Not sure what to do about Mac's vote, and the last time I gave voter credit for Nutella it came back to bite me in the ass.

Pretty sure I votes Sprit before Gman homie.

#640

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:39 pm Fucking A...So clears Tink...no way does Mafia save her over Spirit so I think they were a V/W wagon. Glad I at least moved my vote off her to at least give her the chance in a tie.

I'm taking a couple pings of G-Man because I think he was the first to vote Spirit post Macs Early vote. Though I don't want to town clear him fully yet, I think he fully knows if he votes Tink there and it's a town flip, his goose is cooked. However he did cast shade on Spirit early in the phase, so he's in my wary group.

Not sure what to do about Mac's vote, and the last time I gave voter credit for Nutella it came back to bite me in the ass.

This some real bitch add shit right here. Immediately trying to cast doubt on the real motherfuckers. Go and get got boy.

#641

Good job Mac.

#642

I would have handed you fucked sprityo on a platter if I was here day 1. Y'all should just pipe down and let this big dog hunt.

#643

Mac plz.

#644

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:50 pmGood job Mac.

Don't patronize me wiggly man. Y'all wigglen and jigglen and shit. Sit yo ass down.

Thanks.

#645

That being said... In her vote post, la said something that makes me wonder if Eloh is doing a certain civ Eloh thing... I don't really want to wander into that conjecture because I know people wouldn't appreciate it, but there are patterns all the same... I guess tink is clear enough for me if la doesn't flip her mind on that.

#646

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:51 pmMac plz.

Please what? Deliver you more gangsters? I intend to son.

#647

boo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:46 pm Hmm, I'd go the other way with that. I think it mostly clears all of the spirit voters except for tink. I mean, it's by no means a sure thing any of them are good, but I certainly don't see us lynching any of them in the near future now.

Tink, on the other hand, I don't think is cleared at all. Spirit got piled on quickly, and a baddie tink would see that as an opportunity for some excellent cred to switch their vote there. Now that they're active(ish) it's worth bussing a teammate that got that kind of pile on since it can buy you more time, while making the future of said teammate extremely doubtful.

Yeah but a baddie tink wouldn't have voted for DDl in the first place, I didn't get a devious vibe for any reason for her to not vote G-man.

Baddie Tink, or any Baddie would try to exploit my read on Gman I think. Especially since DDL had expressed a desire to vote G-man too.

I'm guess full clearing her is strong, but I'd rather suss out those on her wagon first, and then we can POE her later if it comes down to it.

#648

boo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:52 pm That being said... In her vote post, la said something that makes me wonder if Eloh is doing a certain civ Eloh thing... I don't really want to wander into that conjecture because I know people wouldn't appreciate it, but there are patterns all the same... I guess tink is clear enough for me if la doesn't flip her mind on that.

You sound like a homie. We can roll together.

#649

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:52 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:46 pm Hmm, I'd go the other way with that. I think it mostly clears all of the spirit voters except for tink. I mean, it's by no means a sure thing any of them are good, but I certainly don't see us lynching any of them in the near future now.

Tink, on the other hand, I don't think is cleared at all. Spirit got piled on quickly, and a baddie tink would see that as an opportunity for some excellent cred to switch their vote there. Now that they're active(ish) it's worth bussing a teammate that got that kind of pile on since it can buy you more time, while making the future of said teammate extremely doubtful.
Yeah but a baddie tink wouldn't have voted for DDl in the first place, I didn't get a devious vibe for any reason for her to not vote G-man.

Baddie Tink, or any Baddie would try to exploit my read on Gman I think. Especially since DDL had expressed a desire to vote G-man too.

I'm guess full clearing her is strong, but I'd rather suss out those on her wagon first, and then we can POE her later if it comes down to it.

Agreed, I just don't like full clears without absolute certainity, as they lead to questionable theories that can really bite people in the ass.

#650

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:53 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:52 pm That being said... In her vote post, la said something that makes me wonder if Eloh is doing a certain civ Eloh thing... I don't really want to wander into that conjecture because I know people wouldn't appreciate it, but there are patterns all the same... I guess tink is clear enough for me if la doesn't flip her mind on that.
You sound like a homie. We can roll together.

I'd respond to this in an enthusiastic way, but Simon is hosting this game, so I want to keep it PG.

@Simon: whenever your dad does cool stuff from now on though (does he? I feel like he just probably has a tendency to go for some serious dad jokes which you find massively embarassing), I want you to remember what Mac said here, and repeat it verbatim.

Lugia: Who be a killah?