Pokemon Mafia [ENDGAME]

[G-Man]

I'm running out of battery, so I might not be able to stay until the deadline.

[DFaraday]

Quin, why boo?

I just said stuff about him last night. I think it's on the last page.

Page before last. Woops.

Rainbow list incoming.

Yeah, found it. Fair points about Boo, but I'm going to check his votes again to see how that reflects on him.

[Quin]

A quick rainbow. There's a lot of gut involved so I intend to check them and adjust based on what I find. I find that I've got a lot of null reads still so I might go through my neutral reads individually at some point. I do have some notes, I guess.

Fredwood
Tink - I'm taking Eloh's insistence that Tink is town into account. She was an evolved psychic type, which is the type I'd most associate info-gathering or likewise powers with.
Dragon D. Luffy

DrWilgy - I'm least impressed with my own placement here, because he's contributed enough to have a proper read on. He'll be the first I look at in more detail.
Dyslexicon
DFaraday
Neverwhere

MacDougall - Just the one instance I found, but he's not been here enough to give me more avenues to read him.
G-Man - I'm seeing a different G-Man in this game than usual. I realise he's a lot busier than usual which could be responsible, but I'm still a bit iffy overall.
boo - I've said a bit about him in the past few pages. I think he makes a compatible teammate for sprityo, and his own argument against nutella reads phony to me.

[DrWilgy]

Goodluck and godspeed Gman.

Linki - neat, would you say my tone is overly chummy towards sprit when compared to others?

Not really, but Sprit seemed to be joking around with you and Fred and not really anyone else that I noticed. For now I'll put my vote on you because I think Fred's voting on the day Sprityo died looks a little better for him.

Odd, I strictly remember him also joking with JoH and afew others.

Interesting that you say Fred's vote looked better. How does Fred's NA vote hold more value than my Tink vote? How does it compare when you take into account that both of us moved off Sprit at one point?

[DFaraday]

Goodluck and godspeed Gman.

Linki - neat, would you say my tone is overly chummy towards sprit when compared to others?

Not really, but Sprit seemed to be joking around with you and Fred and not really anyone else that I noticed. For now I'll put my vote on you because I think Fred's voting on the day Sprityo died looks a little better for him.

Odd, I strictly remember him also joking with JoH and afew others.

Interesting that you say Fred's vote looked better. How does Fred's NA vote hold more value than my Tink vote? How does it compare when you take into account that both of us moved off Sprit at one point?

When you switched your vote super late in the day, it pinged me, like you might be trying to save a teammate.

[DrWilgy]

Goodluck and godspeed Gman.

Linki - neat, would you say my tone is overly chummy towards sprit when compared to others?

Not really, but Sprit seemed to be joking around with you and Fred and not really anyone else that I noticed. For now I'll put my vote on you because I think Fred's voting on the day Sprityo died looks a little better for him.

Odd, I strictly remember him also joking with JoH and afew others.

Interesting that you say Fred's vote looked better. How does Fred's NA vote hold more value than my Tink vote? How does it compare when you take into account that both of us moved off Sprit at one point?

When you switched your vote super late in the day, it pinged me, like you might be trying to save a teammate.

So wait, I went from helping the Sprit wagon form to saving him over the course of the cfd?

[G-Man]

I just watched fireworks. Not great ones, because Pennsylvania bans good fireworks. Battery at 3%. I'm going to vote for Fred because he was on my original suss list. I suspect he's probably the indy, though. Check y'all when I can plug in. This day was a royal mess. We need to do a lot of talking tonight and lay out a lot of reads with reasons.

[G-Man]

I don't necessarily like that I am voting alongside Dragon. Such is life.

[DFaraday]

Possibly. I just think a last second switch makes it seem like you didn't really want Sprityo to get lynched.

[DFaraday]

That was for Wilgy.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I don't necessarily like that I am voting alongside Dragon. Such is life.

I love you too.

[Quin]

I just watched fireworks. Not great ones, because Pennsylvania bans good fireworks. Battery at 3%. I'm going to vote for Fred because he was on my original suss list. I suspect he's probably the indy, though. Check y'all when I can plug in. This day was a royal mess. We need to do a lot of talking tonight and lay out a lot of reads with reasons.

Why Fred over others on your original sus list? If I'm looking at the right post, a number of them are still alive.

[Quin]

I'm having a crisis about whether to force a tie to save a gut town read.

[Quin]

I do think boo would just be the better overall option, though.

[Epignosis]

Who made Eevee noee?

Poll ended at Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:12 pmPlease note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

boo
1
8%


Voters: Quin

DFaraday
1
8%


Voters: boo

Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Dyslexicon
1
8%


Voters: DrWilgy

DrWilgy
1
8%


Voters: DFaraday

Fredwood
2
17%


Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, G-Man

G-Man
1
8%


Voters: Tink

MacDougall
1
8%


Voters: Neverwhere

Neverwhere
0
No votes


Voters: None

Quin
0
No votes


Voters: None

Tink
0
No votes


Voters: None

May (The Hosts, the Non, the Dead)
4
33%


Voters: Jackofhearts2005, sprityo, JaggedJimmyJay, Epignosis


Total votes: 12

[Dragon D. Luffy]

<drull rolls>

[Epignosis]

Fredwood is unable to battle!

He was:


Munchlax

It is now Night 5.

[G-Man]

[G-Man]

Ignore my input from here on out. I've always sucked as a civvie without my silly technicolors. Nabbing Sprityo was a case of the blind squirrel finding a nut. That much is clear to me now.

Baddies, if you have any honor left in you, please kill me tonight. I don't want to giftwrap this game any more neatly for you than I already have.

[MacDougall]

I can't believe you guys lynched Fredwood. He was so obviously town.

[MacDougall]

Gman is a tough one. He's been the most helpful and other members aren't mentioning him as much.

Reading back over sprityos posts, the two people that stand out to me in that are Mac and Dfaraday. I have a bit of scum read on Mac. Dfaraday I wasn't sure, but there were a few posts where sprit seemed kind of defensive / asked a few times why he was on the chopping block without saying much more.

I'm torn between them but I really need to vote before bed.

If you say I am bad and don't give a reason, I cannot defend myself.

[MacDougall]

Wilgy is my strongest civ read at this point.

How?

[MacDougall]

At this juncture, everyone sounds insincere to me. So I can't really pick who to pick on.

I supposed when in doubt I should just assume Wilgy is bad.

[Neverwhere]

I can't believe you guys lynched Fredwood. He was so obviously town.

For once, I actually agree with you. I did not get the Fredwood suspicion. When I get some time im going to go back and look into all the members who were gunning for him.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I can't believe you guys lynched Fredwood. He was so obviously town.

Trolling is so fun.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ignore my input from here on out. I've always sucked as a civvie without my silly technicolors. Nabbing Sprityo was a case of the blind squirrel finding a nut. That much is clear to me now.

Baddies, if you have any honor left in you, please kill me tonight. I don't want to giftwrap this game any more neatly for you than I already have.

Nobody will kill you if you ask like that. They will let us lynch you instead.

Which we might as well do if you declare you are folding.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Well I already said I suck at this game. I can't scumhunt to save myself. But I am still in the game so might as well keep pushing forward until either the bads or the civs are eliminated.

[G-Man]

I'm not throwing in the towel completely. Last night I was mad and overreacting. I will no longer try to lead / run point in this game. Granted, neither the Eloh lynch nor Fred's were entirely my fault, I just don't have the time to dig harder and deeper. Few people seem to give a crap because so many of us are busy. I suppose it's time for me to stop overthinking everything and just shoot from the hip like so many other are doing.

[MacDougall]

Okay okay. I'm sorry guys. I'll solve the game now. Hang on a sec.

[MacDougall]

A Dom flip does 2 very important things for us.
1. On flip, If civ, this validates that mafia may be amongst the ones preaching to purge low posters. On flip, if mafia, we can assume mafai aren't wanting to hit low posters.
2. We kill a wallflower, and won't have to deal with it later.

Assuming we gain no info from a wallflower purge is shallow.

So you would rather vote him over Spirit? Are you scum leaning spirit as well?

This is the post that should have made it obvious that Fredwood was town in hindsight. Iirc sprityo hates being called spirit and a teammate would have been more than likely corrected before they went off calling sprityo spirit in the thread.

My bad Freddy.

[MacDougall]

Okay step 1 in solving the game.

DrWilgy - Tell me why you can't be Mafia.
Neverwhere - Likewise.

Everybody else mill around and act busy.

[MacDougall]

Morons.

Let's lynch, in no particular order: Fredwood, DFaraday, and G-Man. Two out of three of them are the baddies.

Interesting hypothesis. G-Man and DFaraday are playing some handy games if bad. Can you summarise your baddie reads on them?

[MacDougall]

Oh nutella is dead. That's useful. Update the dead post!

[MacDougall]

What if Dyslexicon is Mewtwo and is silent because he's hanging out in Cerulean Cave waiting for the Elite Four champion?

#tinfoiloftheday

[MacDougall]

Here's my gut reads. I haven't really been paying attention to the game much so these are quite surface level. If there are glaring reasons for them not to make sense please enlighten me.

Suspish

Wilgy
Neverwhere
Quin

Switzerland

Tink
Boo
Dyslexicon

Seems Legit

DFaraday
Luffy
G-Man

[Neverwhere]

Hmm, I don't really know how to defend myself.

I am civ 100% That's all I can say. I am busy, but I am not using that as an excuse. Im a single parent, so any game i play from here on in I won't be able to be as mega active as maybe I'd like, that's just how it is.

Like I said, I am newer to mafia and particularly being civ so this game is a learning curve for me. Scum hunting is hard. I am maybe not as vocal or don't have a system down yet for working all of it out, but I am genuinely trying to ask the right questions and work it out.

My suspicions haven't always panned out, but that doesn't make me mafia. Very few of the civs in this game have had much luck.

[MacDougall]

Hmm, I don't really know how to defend myself.

I am civ 100% That's all I can say. I am busy, but I am not using that as an excuse. Im a single parent, so any game i play from here on in I won't be able to be as mega active as maybe I'd like, that's just how it is.

Like I said, I am newer to mafia and particularly being civ so this game is a learning curve for me. Scum hunting is hard. I am maybe not as vocal or don't have a system down yet for working all of it out, but I am genuinely trying to ask the right questions and work it out.

My suspicions haven't always panned out, but that doesn't make me mafia. Very few of the civs in this game have had much luck.

I totally hear you. I was just hoping you could point at something like "here's where I said something SUPER obvious townie" or "here's where I voted for sprityo" or ... something, anything where you can say ... would Mafia do this?

But that you can't ... is interesting anyway. That you answered me so earnestly despite voting for me last day phase is also something.

[MacDougall]

I am currently working a plotline in which Wilgy and Quin are the remaining Mafia players.

Reasons -

Wilgy started pushing for a Dom wagon when Sprityo was up for a lynch. I hypothesise here that he became a little bit enamoured with the idea of bussing, but softly tried to get a Dom wagon going for the cred so he would have a teammate that was active at least.

He also softly defends Dom here.

I voted for Dom, no great reason. Not very useful but I didn't want to miss the vote.

Remember when you were bad and randy voted? Wilgy remembers

Here are posts where he started to try to point at Dom.

Everyone.

DOM IS STILL ALIVE

why are we voting for someone who has the potential to contribute as their vacation won't last forever? Explain it to me as if I'm 5.

A Dom flip does 2 very important things for us.
1. On flip, If civ, this validates that mafia may be amongst the ones preaching to purge low posters. On flip, if mafia, we can assume mafai aren't wanting to hit low posters.
2. We kill a wallflower, and won't have to deal with it later.

Assuming we gain no info from a wallflower purge is shallow.

Remember that this is all on the day Sprityo was lynched. So it's also a potential Sprityo defense.

It's also an interesting contrast with this comment. Wilgy is just all over the place. That's Wilgy every time meta but here it seems a bit more contrived than normal.

Anyone wanna tie Mac and Dom, and have them fight to the death as they aren't here lol? Also now that I have some hindsight, it kinda sucks that TSP died right as he entered the game. Probably should have saved him rgardless of the alignment. Oh well, wasn't here.

[Neverwhere]

Hmm, I don't really know how to defend myself.

I am civ 100% That's all I can say. I am busy, but I am not using that as an excuse. Im a single parent, so any game i play from here on in I won't be able to be as mega active as maybe I'd like, that's just how it is.

Like I said, I am newer to mafia and particularly being civ so this game is a learning curve for me. Scum hunting is hard. I am maybe not as vocal or don't have a system down yet for working all of it out, but I am genuinely trying to ask the right questions and work it out.

My suspicions haven't always panned out, but that doesn't make me mafia. Very few of the civs in this game have had much luck.

I totally hear you. I was just hoping you could point at something like "here's where I said something SUPER obvious townie" or "here's where I voted for sprityo" or ... something, anything where you can say ... would Mafia do this?

But that you can't ... is interesting anyway. That you answered me so earnestly despite voting for me last day phase is also something.

I get you! I don't have time to go back over my posts and find things to defend myself at the moment, but because I've been a quieter poster than some I thought it might be better to reply to your message as soon as I saw it. I can do so later if you would like.

[MacDougall]

Wilgy is my strongest civ read at this point.

In light of my newly formed synapse connections this post is straaaange.

Wilgy asks why and gets this.

Lol, I was messing DDL.

My most recent team normally beat out chancies by forcing the swap with band landorus and beating the team aroud the chancy.

Linki - Why?

I just play doubles. No stall anymore. Ever.

The way you ask questions made me legit think you are actually trying to figure things out.

I mean it can be faked, but that's a lot of work to make it look genuine.

Does that explanation satisfy the criteria of a "strongest civ read in the game".

Hmmm I dunno. Wilgy is posting a lot, but I can't say I have ever tone read him overly town in this game.

Does/has anyone shared Luffy's Wilgy read?

I feel it is teammate incompatable coupling though. If one is bad the other is not.

[MacDougall]

It's really not a lot of work to a guy like Wilgy tbh. He hasn't even got two pages of posts. That explanation stands out as a lie to me from Luffy.

[MacDougall]

Okay so I icing my Wilgy/Quin plotline. Luffy looks bad. Voting history bad. A heavy focus on game mechanics in early posts (a preferred scumtell of mine) and now this comment about Wilgy. Hard buddying.

I'd like to see Luffy lynched. It's a productive move for mine.

[MacDougall]

Wilgy is my strongest civ read at this point.

How?

I asked Luffy a question. He posted four posts later and avoided answering.

I can't believe you guys lynched Fredwood. He was so obviously town.

Trolling is so fun.

[MacDougall]

Can see motivation for Luffy buddying Wilgy. Wilgy has been pressuring Luffy a bit. Maybe DDL think Wilgy is Mewtwo.

[MacDougall]

G-Man reading your posts I think you are putting in good work. Please persevere I think you were making inroads. Look at the players who were pushing against your lines of thought.

Aight I'm out. Hopefully have given some life to the thread.

[DrWilgy]

Okay step 1 in solving the game.

DrWilgy - Tell me why you can't be Mafia.

But Mac, I am mafia.

[Dom]

Even better lol bie

I'm Dom2.0.

tbh dom 1.0 is far superior and less buggy

[MacDougall]

Okay step 1 in solving the game.

DrWilgy - Tell me why you can't be Mafia.

But Mac, I am mafia.

Funny haha but Macserious is here not Mactroll or Macplayful so don't fuck with me boy.

[DrWilgy]

I am currently working a plotline in which Wilgy and Quin are the remaining Mafia players.

Reasons -

Wilgy started pushing for a Dom wagon when Sprityo was up for a lynch. I hypothesise here that he became a little bit enamoured with the idea of bussing, but softly tried to get a Dom wagon going for the cred so he would have a teammate that was active at least.

He also softly defends Dom here.

I voted for Dom, no great reason. Not very useful but I didn't want to miss the vote.

Remember when you were bad and randy voted? Wilgy remembers

Here are posts where he started to try to point at Dom.

Everyone.

DOM IS STILL ALIVE

why are we voting for someone who has the potential to contribute as their vacation won't last forever? Explain it to me as if I'm 5.

A Dom flip does 2 very important things for us.
1. On flip, If civ, this validates that mafia may be amongst the ones preaching to purge low posters. On flip, if mafia, we can assume mafai aren't wanting to hit low posters.
2. We kill a wallflower, and won't have to deal with it later.

Assuming we gain no info from a wallflower purge is shallow.

Remember that this is all on the day Sprityo was lynched. So it's also a potential Sprityo defense.

It's also an interesting contrast with this comment. Wilgy is just all over the place. That's Wilgy every time meta but here it seems a bit more contrived than normal.

Anyone wanna tie Mac and Dom, and have them fight to the death as they aren't here lol? Also now that I have some hindsight, it kinda sucks that TSP died right as he entered the game. Probably should have saved him rgardless of the alignment. Oh well, wasn't here.

I know you've iced this in your head, but some more info on that day: The issue with this is that the Sprityo wagon only formed after I voted for him. I went from wanting to murder Dom to wanting to murder either Tink or Sprityo as all seemed to be valid options.

Okay step 1 in solving the game.

DrWilgy - Tell me why you can't be Mafia.

But Mac, I am mafia.

Funny haha but Macserious is here not Mactroll or Macplayful so don't fuck with me boy.

Sorry dad, but did you actually expect me to tell you why I can't be mafia? While everyone reevaluating their reads of me won't yield anything, I'm excited, as it means there may be some perspective shift AND I will be able to get further insight from other players.

[DrWilgy]

It's really not a lot of work to a guy like Wilgy tbh. He hasn't even got two pages of posts. That explanation stands out as a lie to me from Luffy.

I forgot to comment on this. I agree.