Pokemon Mafia [ENDGAME]

[G-Man]

I'd like to know Mac's excuses for missing the last two votes. Not accusing him of anything but it stands out to me on my spreadsheet, as boisterous as he's been when he's around.

Spoiler: show

[DrWilgy]

It is also possible that DFaraday is either town or Mewtwo and also absorbed the night kill last night.

Is he immortal in your head Quin?

Why poking fun?

A 3rd party that can survive a lynch, that's fine.

A 3rd party that can survive a nk, also fine.

Both? Now I have speculation as to how serious this comment was.

[DrWilgy]

I'd like to know Mac's excuses for missing the last two votes. Not accusing him of anything but it stands out to me on my spreadsheet, as boisterous as he's been when he's around.

Spoiler: show

Hey G, did you comment on my question last night? Regarding your suspicion on me, do you think letting non-play persist is acceptable? Do you know who'd I'd vote if I was more sure of the low posters?

[G-Man]

I'd like to know Mac's excuses for missing the last two votes. Not accusing him of anything but it stands out to me on my spreadsheet, as boisterous as he's been when he's around.

Spoiler: show

Hey G, did you comment on my question last night? Regarding your suspicion on me, do you think letting non-play persist is acceptable? Do you know who'd I'd vote if I was more sure of the low posters?

It's one thing to grumble about once the game reaches a certain point but it's another thing to park on that subject all game long. I can't recall the last time someone was so singularly focused on it like you've been.

[Quin]

It is also possible that DFaraday is either town or Mewtwo and also absorbed the night kill last night.

Is he immortal in your head Quin?

Why poking fun?

A 3rd party that can survive a lynch, that's fine.

A 3rd party that can survive a nk, also fine.

Both? Now I have speculation as to how serious this comment was.

I have an unkillable indy in the side mission I plan to host.

[G-Man]

I just hope this game is over by next Friday. I'll be heading to the beach that night.

[DrWilgy]

I'd like to know Mac's excuses for missing the last two votes. Not accusing him of anything but it stands out to me on my spreadsheet, as boisterous as he's been when he's around.

Spoiler: show

Hey G, did you comment on my question last night? Regarding your suspicion on me, do you think letting non-play persist is acceptable? Do you know who'd I'd vote if I was more sure of the low posters?

It's one thing to grumble about once the game reaches a certain point but it's another thing to park on that subject all game long. I can't recall the last time someone was so singularly focused on it like you've been.

Last time I was in a game with activity issues, I was mislynched when other players, including mafia, were putting no effort at all in the game. Nothing was more aggrivating than realizing that my win could be taken away by such lazy gameplay and that baddies could skip away with a free win doing nothing.

To dispute the too focused claim, I believe I have voiced my opinion regarding my DDL suspicion quite well, I will not however, lynch someone who is actually playing when Dizzy keeps disappearing and is throwing an extra semi-unreadable variable into the mix.

If you are really concerned about my focus, why not ask me questions that steer me away from my focus? Why not the "hey Wilgy, if a wallflower isn't an option, who would you vote for?" Instead you claim I'm opportunistic? Wouldn't my opportunism br brought to light by attempting to change my focus?

G-Man, why did you settle down on that suspicion of me without asking any questions?

[G-Man]

If you have to be asked to share that kind of background information, then you are shady and toying with us.

[DrWilgy]

If you have to be asked to share that kind of background information, then you are shady and toying with us.

I wasn't asked G-Man. Unfortunately you've been making comments about me and I've had to ask the questions.

I thought this was a commonly shared aggravation too. Does my perspective change this frustration that much?

[DrWilgy]

If you have to be asked to share that kind of background information, then you are shady and toying with us.

I wasn't asked G-Man. Unfortunately you've been making comments about me and I've had to ask the questions.

I thought this was a commonly shared aggravation too. Does my perspective change this frustration that much?

[G-Man]

It's too late for your story to help you any because you already played the "you never asked" defense.

[G-Man]

I remember when the srsbsnss smiley was named after bigsimpsin..

[DrWilgy]

It's too late for your story to help you any because you already played the "you never asked" defense.

You think that's a defense? Forgive me for wanting to share my perspective. Do I need to declare at the start of every game "I'll be lynching XYZ?"

[G-Man]

If you really wanted to share that perspective, you'd have shared it long before now.

[DrWilgy]

If you really wanted to share that perspective, you'd have shared it long before now.

Not when I think its of little importance. Now it's of importance due to either 1. You misurderstanding that persperctive, or 2. You are tying to be opportunistic around that perspective.

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= I'm intoxicated AMA. =
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[G-Man]

If you really wanted to share that perspective, you'd have shared it long before now.

Not when I think its of little importance. Now it's of importance due to either 1. You misurderstanding that persperctive, or 2. You are tying to be opportunistic around that perspective.

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= I'm intoxicated AMA. =
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I'm not looking for a power play here. I'm just having a little fun poking and prodding you before the night post drops.

I do find the whole thing odd but you flatter me with the insinuation that I'm crafty enough to try to turn everyone against you over this.

[DrWilgy]

If you really wanted to share that perspective, you'd have shared it long before now.

Not when I think its of little importance. Now it's of importance due to either 1. You misurderstanding that persperctive, or 2. You are tying to be opportunistic around that perspective.

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= I'm intoxicated AMA. =
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I'm not looking for a power play here. I'm just having a little fun poking and prodding you before the night post drops.

I do find the whole thing odd but you flatter me with the insinuation that I'm crafty enough to try to turn everyone against you over this.

Crafty enough, maybe.

G-Man, the reason why I brought up you not answering my questions was because of a gut feel that you had left me when you voted. You voting me felt the same as when you voted Eloh.

Lazy, on a whim, and without much behind it. For someone who I generally accepted as civ for a majority of this game, it's very concerning that Im getting so many pings from you now.

[DrWilgy]

The words I'd use to describe you G-man is "air-like" or without much weight.

[Epignosis]

MacDougall is unable to battle!

He was Squirtle.

It is now Day 7.

[Epignosis]

Gotta catch 'em all.

Poll ended at Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:40 pmPlease note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

boo
0
No votes


Voters: None

DFaraday
4
31%


Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, Neverwhere, Quin, boo

Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Dyslexicon
1
8%


Voters: DrWilgy

DrWilgy
2
15%


Voters: G-Man, DFaraday

G-Man
0
No votes


Voters: None

MacDougall
0
No votes


Voters: None

Neverwhere
0
No votes


Voters: None

Quin
0
No votes


Voters: None

Tink
0
No votes


Voters: None

Jessie (The Hosts, the Non, the Dead)
6
46%


Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, Fredwood, sprityo, speedchuck, nutella, Epignosis


Total votes: 13

[G-Man]

It's been a very bad game for me. I'm lost without my full vote analysis shtick and the participation has been dreadful. Real life has been frantic as well between catching up on things and prepping for vacation.

Linki: shoot. RIP Mac.

[G-Man]

It's 6v2v1. We're running out of time and margin for error.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Gonna start where I was last time.

DF.

[G-Man]

I'm not rushing into anything today.

[boo]

Bye DF

[MacDougall]

[G-Man]

I want everyone to start thinking ahead of the current day. Let's focus on combinations. If DFaraday is lynched and flips mafia, which player makes the most sense to you as the last baddie? If DFaraday flips indy or civvie, what two players make the most sense as the last two baddies?

Reasons to support your thoughts are preferable.

[Abigail Sophia]

When Inkay evolves, he's very powerful and he basically can trance people to do what he wants, like maybe stop people from lynching him.

[DFaraday]

I want everyone to start thinking ahead of the current day. Let's focus on combinations. If DFaraday is lynched and flips mafia, which player makes the most sense to you as the last baddie? If DFaraday flips indy or civvie, what two players make the most sense as the last two baddies?

Reasons to support your thoughts are preferable.

Voting me is not going to accomplish anything. It won't help the civ cause. If you're looking for the baddies, I'm thinking it's Wilgy and Neverwhere.

MOOOOOOOOM, LC broke the siiiiiite.

Gman's notes brought me back to these lists.

Boo
Gman
Dizzy
Nutella
Speedchuck
DF

Thats my proposed list. You guys post yours. I propose we make a deadline for it and then everyone sends their votes. Is 3 hours before the end of N0 good enough?

If we're still considering alternatives to Jack's list:

G-Man
Boo
DDL
Dyslexicon

Those are the only ones I'm leaning somewhat civ on so far.

For what it's worth, here's a list of players I'm considering sending my point to:
Jack
G-Man
Long Con
Speedchuck
Dyslexicon
Timmer

So I don't get the purpose of putting 6 names down. From what I can read in the OP it's just one person you vote for. But my list is as follows:

Speedchuck - because we're CPI buddies
Dom - because I'm afraid of Dom. Always.
Jack - because I "like" jack as a person
DrWigly - because he's a doctor
LC - because I like LC as a person
Mac - because I haven't seen Mac in forever it feels like

Everyone above, has your list from before changed? how has it changed? has it narrowed down or widened? why?

DDL, DF, Hazelnut, you had all 3 chosen Gman. Why G-man in specific.

Sprityo, in regards to your list specifically, you and Jack were the only ones to list me. Why did you choose me? beyond that of "he's a doctor?" Am I still on that list? Why did you choose Dom and Mac as one only posted today, and the other is still out?

There are more players that I no idea what to think than players who I have thoughts on. I'd say the null and void atm are DF, Dom, Eloh, G-Man, Mac, Neverwhere, Sprit and Tink. From all of you, can you let me know which player you find the most interesting, and why?

And for now...

Adios muchachos.

He calls his view on Neverwhere "null and void" in this post. Later that day:

Dr. Wigly pings me off a bit too. He seems helpful, but fishes for a lot of information and asks a lot of questions without giving much of his own opinion sometimes. I think he just reminds me a lot of me when I've been scum.

I like this. Information gain without use is just fluff, even if it brings discussion.

If you want my opinion, feel free to ask me. I'm at a point where I have too many nulls. These nulls make it hard for me to judge the active players.

If you all had to choose between the following five people for today's lynch, who would you vote for? Right now, I'm wavering between two of them, possibly a third.

-Fredwood
-Neverwhere
-Nutella
-Sprityo
-Tink

Tink.

Here Wilgy commends Neverwhere for calling out Wilgy's commenting without really contributing. Incidentally, Wilgy doesn't actually address the concern, and in addition Neverwhere herself ends up playing that very way later in that game.

They then later both vote Eloh, but then after the lynch Neverwhere comments:

Yeah, I'm really sorry guys, I was super excited to sign up for this game and then life got super busy the minute it started. Feeding the little girl and ill drink a cup of coffee to stay awake tonight.

I am 100% town. I think one of my struggles this game is a lot of my scum reads are turning out to be town. Genuinely thought Eloh could flip town. I've only ever really played as mafia. My first game on another site I was mafia, in OMERTA I was mafia. The last game i played here 2 years ago was my first town game but I ended up ending my relationship in the middle of the game and I had to bow out because of that. I think I'm trying to find my feet as civ. It's definitely much harder. Saying all of this could totally draw attention to me, but whatever, its the truth and im going to try harder.

I'd written up some notes on what I thought of players thus far and I'm going to try and go back to revise though.

If it's between Fredwood and me, I'm really not sure. I'm definitely civ and I'm not sure I have a great read on Fred. I genuinely don't know. I'd like to look more at the remaining users that weren't on any of Eloh's lists.

Could have just meant scum, could be a slip.

And then just recently there's this odd little exchange.

It is also possible that DFaraday is either town or Mewtwo and also absorbed the night kill last night.

Is he immortal in your head Quin?

Why poking fun?

A 3rd party that can survive a lynch, that's fine.

A 3rd party that can survive a nk, also fine.

Both? Now I have speculation as to how serious this comment was.

Add to all of the above Wilgy's suspicious behavior on the day of Sprityo's lynch, his continued insistence on voting low posters except when it's convenient not to, and Neverwhere leaning really, really heavily on the newbie card, and I believe those are the baddies.

[G-Man]

I don't have a read on Neverwhere yet but I see plenty of little things that could point to Wilgy being a baddie. Can anyone other than Wilgy point to anything that is substantial enough to clear Wilgy from suspicion?

[G-Man]

It feels like you are the defacto choice for today's lynch. I understand with the reasons why people think you need to go but I don't agree with planting their votes down right out of the gate without using the day for discussion. Their minds are made up it seems.

[Neverwhere]

I am inclined to not vote Faraday again seeing as he's still insisting it won't do much good. I wonder if Quin is right and he's the unkillable indie.

I have said earlier in the game Wilgy pinged me too, although right now I couldn't give you examples off the top of my head other than what I said before about him fishing for information without giving much of an opinion himself. Im going to need to go back and re read him.

I can assure you, DFaraday, that I am most definitely not scum. And with numbers dwindling it would really really not be in civillians best interest to lynch me now. The scum slip you boldened was just a typo. I have ADHD and when I get typing like this, my brain gets ahead of my ability to type and i make all sorts of fucked up typos.

Really wasn't trying to lean *too* heavily on the newbie aspect, but I really had forgotten most everything of mafia, so I'm relearning. I'll keep that more to myself from now on.

I don't have time to read more now, because quite honestly, I have a dashing man waiting for me and a bottle of Pinot Grigio in the fridge.

I'll be back for some alcohol fueled mafiaing later.

In case I get too drunk, I'm putting my vote on Wilgy now.

[DFaraday]

I am inclined to not vote Faraday again seeing as he's still insisting it won't do much good. I wonder if Quin is right and he's the unkillable indie.

I have said earlier in the game Wilgy pinged me too, although right now I couldn't give you examples off the top of my head other than what I said before about him fishing for information without giving much of an opinion himself. Im going to need to go back and re read him.

I can assure you, DFaraday, that I am most definitely not scum. And with numbers dwindling it would really really not be in civillians best interest to lynch me now. The scum slip you boldened was just a typo. I have ADHD and when I get typing like this, my brain gets ahead of my ability to type and i make all sorts of fucked up typos.

Really wasn't trying to lean *too* heavily on the newbie aspect, but I really had forgotten most everything of mafia, so I'm relearning. I'll keep that more to myself from now on.

I don't have time to read more now, because quite honestly, I have a dashing man waiting for me and a bottle of Pinot Grigio in the fridge.

I'll be back for some alcohol fueled mafiaing later.

In case I get too drunk, I'm putting my vote on Wilgy now.

Fair enough, Neverwhere. I feel more confident of Wilgy than you, but if he's lynched and comes back bad I'll feel stronger in my earlier theory.

And yeah, bringing up your newbieness too much usually comes across as trying to avoid contribution or being viewed as a threat.

[G-Man]

I've got a question for DDL, since he's knowledgeable in Pokemon. You theorized that the types might somehow determine tiebreakers in lynches. Check your fancy Poke-Chart and tell me if this jives.

On Day 1, three people tied for first place. They were Jack, Tony, and Timmer. Tony was lynched and flipped Gible. Jack flipped Charmander and Timmer flipped Bulbasaur.

If you put Gible, Charmander, and Bulbasaur together in Thunderdome, does Gible lose?


Also, on Day 2, Timmer and Boo were tied. Timmer was Bulbasaur. The following base Pokemon are still alive (though some have probably evolved by now): Pidgey, Snover, Torchic, Igglybuff, Riolu, Mew, Inkay, Gastly, Mewtwo. Assuming Boo was still his base Pokemon at the time, which of those base Pokemon could have beaten Bulbasaur?


Apply the same scenario to Day 3 when we got Sprityo. Sprityo was Meowth. He tied with Tink and lost. Which of the base Pokemon left could have beaten Meowth?

[G-Man]

I'm heading out to dinner shortly, but I want to bring these lists back up. From the lynched and the NK's, the middle list isn't being cleaned out. There are just two names left on the list Sprityo called dumb and the people he failed to mention at all. Does that change your perception of how Sprityo classified his teammates?

G-Man's Suss List, Which Was Called Dumb By Sprityo:

Fredwood
Neverwhere
Nutella
Sprityo
Tink

Sprityo's Preferred Lynch List:

Boo
Quin/Dom
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Eloh
G-Man

People Sprityo Omitted From His List:

DFaraday
Dragon D. Luffy
Long Con
MacDougall

[G-Man]

I'm comfortable enough voting for Wilgy now. His vote will tie things up, so it's going to come down to Dyslexicon, Quin, and Tink. I'll be back before the deadline for some conversation if anyone is around and willing. My vote isn't a final one but it is a comfortable one.

[DrWilgy]

Go ahead and lynch me. I don't have time for this game tonight, and if you'd rather put me in the dirt than someone who hasn't attempted to play the game idgaf anymore.

Top scum reads are g-man, and ddl.
Only civ read is neverwhere but that's somewhat aged.

I'll be voting dizzy, don't know if I'll be back later tonight.

Gman throwing the "#havingashitgame" card consistently is bs. No one asked for that explanation, and you went straight from our conversation to that.

Rough day ahead m8s, wish me luck.

[Dyslexicon]

Wait, who died? Lol dis game/Lol me. Mostly, lol me.

[Quin]

Wilgy is giving me baddie Quin Mad Max vibes, his openness that he doesn't care about the alternatives while his preference is still alive was my shtick. It is scary.

I want to ISO G-Man before this day is over. I find his overall 'attitude' in the thread to be different than usual, which is what's raising flags, but that's not saying anything about his actual content.

Again, I've got no beef with DDL.



@Wilgy, you're trying to lynch a low poster in Dizzy while Tink is much less active than he is. Am I missing something? What's up?

[Quin]

I think we're going to want to return to these lists overnight and also on Day 5. For now, I don't trust the Eloh option.

I'm going against my better judgement anyway. Voting Eloh.

Let your yes be yes and your no be no.

So if you said yes that Eloh is good, then that's your guess, and so you can't change your mind and say no and vote to lynch her.

Can't say I dislike the content Tink does provide though. I agree with this post. It was a close lynching between Eloh and Fredwood, but it's interesting that he suspected Fredwood for most of the game and then voted Eloh that day, even though he opposed both lynches.

[Quin]

G-Man generally had three options on Day 4.

A) Vote for Fredwood
B) Vote for Elohcin
C) Vote (and assumedly promote) another candidate

His posts would make A or B counterproductive options, so I would have expected him to go with C. But he never mentioned any other name that might be getting his vote that day. He named his opposition to both Fredwood and Eloh lynches, gave reasoning behind it and proposed an exercise he didn't participate in himself.

[Quin]

His first noteworthy mention of sprityo was when he included him in a large group of Day 1 low-fliers. Second instance was after Mac had voted for him and Wilgy had picked him out as a null read and zoned in on him a bit. His vote came very late in the day.

[Quin]

I'm voting G-Man. I find him a stronger suspect than I do Wilgy, and I'm reading DF as indy.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I spent the day on an anime festival. Might be able to catch up and think about the game before the day is over but don't count on it.

[G-Man]

G-Man generally had three options on Day 4.

A) Vote for Fredwood
B) Vote for Elohcin
C) Vote (and assumedly promote) another candidate

His posts would make A or B counterproductive options, so I would have expected him to go with C. But he never mentioned any other name that might be getting his vote that day. He named his opposition to both Fredwood and Eloh lynches, gave reasoning behind it and proposed an exercise he didn't participate in himself.

Ironically, I did the very thing on Day 4 that I criticized Fredwood of doing on Day 2. I was just more annoying vocal about agonizing over my decision. I don't fault you for voting for me, Quin. I don't deny that my behavior has been different this game.

[G-Man]

If I'm bad, Quin, who is my remaining partner? If I am bad, what is my logic behind turning on Sprityo when my team is still in a position of near absolute strength?

[Quin]

If I'm bad, Quin, who is my remaining partner? If I am bad, what is my logic behind turning on Sprityo when my team is still in a position of near absolute strength?

Your partner is whoever I happen to suspect. I'm not a thorough enough player to be able to identify a complete scum team combination to believe in one suspect. I know it's not ideal, but it's just not how I play mafia.

You only turned on sprityo after a number of people had turned on him first. You were early to start bringing attention to sprityo, but your vote was last. In between, I don't get the impression you were critical enough to his lynch to suggest that you made your own decision to turn on him.

You also said this:

I wish Mac hadn't voted for Sprityo, because that's where I'm leaning right now.

Wilgy- of those five I listed, take Tink out. Who would be next after eliminating the barely-there participant?

Which doesn't make sense to me because you had barely mentioned Mac until now. It's also a post that could have evolved into you not voting sprityo.

[G-Man]

I like most of your thought process there, Quin.

[G-Man]

It's wrong, but I still like it.

[Quin]

It's wrong, but I still like it.

I'll take the praise, but I'm still voting for you.

Why was Mac's vote a deterrent to vote for sprityo? Why did you wait so long to vote?