Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh don't you dare try to define me. I'm not throwing the game. You're trying to make my radical honesty sound bad. This ain't a gambit.

"Radical honesty" isn't losing the game on purpose

There are six civilians out of eleven players. One of them is not going to off himself to prove some generic suspicion wrong. No thanks. Seinfeld gif.

[juliets]

Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.

Juliets is scum I was wrong all along

lol

why lol? you have no idea how wolfy is this answer for me. No real reason, no villagery ideas. just lol :/

Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.

wait. why happy ?

Because I feel worse about G-Man right now than I do about Jay.

Why? And if so, it's sarcasm? I don't understand

Wait, what? Was he not kidding?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Member that time Mac self-voted

[Jackofhearts2005]

This jay lynch gives me the Heebie-jeebies

at this point he can be just anti-monitor or town

no way that's an all-town wagon

This GMan wagon gives me the heebie jeebies.

It’s biggest proponent admits there’s no case, yet it just shot past the wagon of a wolf with two teammates.

[mention]juliets[/mention] we’re lynching Jay. Think about it and get with the program.

[Michelle]

G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

[VOTE: g-man] aubergine

come on Sloonei..

G-man did not in fact vote for Mac on Day 2. Come on Michelle.

is midnight, bare votes are confusing me.

Why is Juliets villager?

Paranoia is making me reconsider this possibility. But... why do you ask?

paranoia. keeps haunting me since day 4. I put it in the corner but Jules is so ineffective in scumhunt that hurts. Jack too. idk..

[Sloonei]

Ok I see ted saying he is changing to Jay so I'll stop with the G-Man posts. Sloonei, I will read what you wrote.

I guess we need to resolve Jay this lynch. The people I trust as town are voting for him, I think Dom thought he was bad and we keep talking about it and talking about it. I think we have to get past it to sort the rest out. I can't be the only one thinking he is town - it's too much like what happened with Radish and with Elephant in Inception.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.

These two posts give the impression that juliets is just bouncing around between whichever wagons seem viable.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It’s biggest proponent admits there’s no case, yet it just shot past the wagon of a wolf with two teammates.

Nope. Wrong wagon.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

These two posts give the impression that juliets is just bouncing around between whichever wagons seem viable.

I have a thought. [mention]juliets[/mention] speak for yourself first

[G-Man]

Oh don't you dare try to define me. I'm not throwing the game. You're trying to make my radical honesty sound bad. This ain't a gambit.

"Radical honesty" isn't losing the game on purpose

There are six civilians out of eleven players. One of them is not going to off himself to prove some generic suspicion wrong. No thanks. Seinfeld gif.

Oh there's still a chance for the civvies to win without me. With me dead, there will still be two baddie factions, which means cross-kill opportunities to keep the civvies in this. It's improbable, but still possible. The civvies don't lose if I am lynched; they just move to the precipice of losing. Just like every other mislynch.

[Michelle]

Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.

Juliets is scum I was wrong all along

lol

why lol? you have no idea how wolfy is this answer for me. No real reason, no villagery ideas. just lol :/

Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.

wait. why happy ?

Because I feel worse about G-Man right now than I do about Jay.

Why? And if so, it's sarcasm? I don't understand

Wait, what? Was he not kidding?

Tony? I wouldn't if i were him but dunno .

[juliets]

G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

[VOTE: g-man] aubergine

come on Sloonei..

G-man did not in fact vote for Mac on Day 2. Come on Michelle.

is midnight, bare votes are confusing me.

Why is Juliets villager?

Paranoia is making me reconsider this possibility. But... why do you ask?

paranoia. keeps haunting me since day 4. I put it in the corner but Jules is so ineffective in scumhunt that hurts. Jack too. idk..

Wow. Thanks. I think I'll come back to this game later.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] I see your post and am considering.

[Jackofhearts2005]

How the fuck does my behavior today point to me being on master’s team, what?????

It doesn’t and that’s not what I said. Process of elimination and your interactions suggest you are on that team. Your behavior today is independently suspicious.

so in other words you can't pin me on any team but i'm scummy and should get lynched. even though you don't have any team mates set up with me.

Yet you can’t make a GMan scum team without Jay.

[Sloonei]

[mention]G-Man[/mention] why was sloonei the best choice to receive your vote on Day 2?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh don't you dare try to define me. I'm not throwing the game. You're trying to make my radical honesty sound bad. This ain't a gambit.

"Radical honesty" isn't losing the game on purpose

There are six civilians out of eleven players. One of them is not going to off himself to prove some generic suspicion wrong. No thanks. Seinfeld gif.

Oh there's still a chance for the civvies to win without me. With me dead, there will still be two baddie factions, which means cross-kill opportunities to keep the civvies in this. It's improbable, but still possible. The civvies don't lose if I am lynched; they just move to the precipice of losing. Just like every other mislynch.

No

[Michelle]

Oh don't you dare try to define me. I'm not throwing the game. You're trying to make my radical honesty sound bad. This ain't a gambit.

"Radical honesty" isn't losing the game on purpose

There are six civilians out of eleven players. One of them is not going to off himself to prove some generic suspicion wrong. No thanks. Seinfeld gif.

Oh there's still a chance for the civvies to win without me. With me dead, there will still be two baddie factions, which means cross-kill opportunities to keep the civvies in this. It's improbable, but still possible. The civvies don't lose if I am lynched; they just move to the precipice of losing. Just like every other mislynch.

Do you believe in your words?

[G-Man]

@G-Man why was sloonei the best choice to receive your vote on Day 2?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How the fuck does my behavior today point to me being on master’s team, what?????

It doesn’t and that’s not what I said. Process of elimination and your interactions suggest you are on that team. Your behavior today is independently suspicious.

so in other words you can't pin me on any team but i'm scummy and should get lynched. even though you don't have any team mates set up with me.

Yet you can’t make a GMan scum team without Jay.

Great, let me bus him then.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ok, I'll vote Jay only if you guys follow me on G-man if you're wrong

how's that?

i'm compromising.

i want verbal confirmation.

Agreed. Now vote Jay.

[Sloonei]

@G-Man why was sloonei the best choice to receive your vote on Day 2?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

There was no chance of me being lynched and two or three competing viable wagons at the time. Why was Sloonei the best vote?

[Jackofhearts2005]

How the fuck does my behavior today point to me being on master’s team, what?????

It doesn’t and that’s not what I said. Process of elimination and your interactions suggest you are on that team. Your behavior today is independently suspicious.

so in other words you can't pin me on any team but i'm scummy and should get lynched. even though you don't have any team mates set up with me.

Yet you can’t make a GMan scum team without Jay.

Great, let me bus him then.

No. I want you, “granny.”

[G-Man]

@G-Man why was sloonei the best choice to receive your vote on Day 2?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

There was no chance of me being lynched and two or three competing viable wagons at the time. Why was Sloonei the best vote?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Cheeky “so let me bus him” is what townie Jack says, not townie Jay.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

In what world does a civilian vote for himself when the game hangs in the balance as it does right now?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Cheeky “so let me bus him” is what townie Jack says, not townie Jay.

You've made it very clear over the last few years that you haven't the faintest idea what any Jay says.

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

[VOTE: g-man] aubergine

come on Sloonei..

G-man did not in fact vote for Mac on Day 2. Come on Michelle.

is midnight, bare votes are confusing me.

Why is Juliets villager?

Paranoia is making me reconsider this possibility. But... why do you ask?

paranoia. keeps haunting me since day 4. I put it in the corner but Jules is so ineffective in scumhunt that hurts. Jack too. idk..

Wow. Thanks. I think I'll come back to this game later.

Jackofhearts2005 I see your post and am considering.

This is not like you. Stay and fight for what you believe.. I am not insulting you. I am so sad since I saw the double mislynch that when I saw you happy to vote I went crazy.
Explain yourself instead leaving becaue i will fall asleep and you will loose any contact with me until Eod :/
If you are villager, please.
If not, do what you want.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]juliets[/mention] please explain your voting behavior today.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

[Sloonei]

@G-Man why was sloonei the best choice to receive your vote on Day 2?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

There was no chance of me being lynched and two or three competing viable wagons at the time. Why was Sloonei the best vote?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

Why vote at all?

[speedchuck]

Ok, I'll vote Jay only if you guys follow me on G-man if you're wrong

how's that?

i'm compromising.

i want verbal confirmation.

Agreed. Now vote Jay.

Fine, I'm in. [mention]tedxtr[/mention]

[speedchuck]

@G-Man why was sloonei the best choice to receive your vote on Day 2?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

There was no chance of me being lynched and two or three competing viable wagons at the time. Why was Sloonei the best vote?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

Why vote at all?

what

[Sloonei]

It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

Oof

[juliets]

Ok I see ted saying he is changing to Jay so I'll stop with the G-Man posts. Sloonei, I will read what you wrote.

I guess we need to resolve Jay this lynch. The people I trust as town are voting for him, I think Dom thought he was bad and we keep talking about it and talking about it. I think we have to get past it to sort the rest out. I can't be the only one thinking he is town - it's too much like what happened with Radish and with Elephant in Inception.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.

These two posts give the impression that juliets is just bouncing around between whichever wagons seem viable.

I'm not going to leave but [mention]Michelle[/mention] your post was hurtful.

Sloonei, my feeling about a Jay lynch are summed up in my post. I still don't see bad Jay but I understand for the good of the game and based on my assessments of Radish and Elephant his lynch might be the best option.

Meanwhile, ted re-kindled my interest in G-Man in a big way. I have been off and on about him the whole game. I started looking at some of his posts and posts about him but then when ted changed I thought he was not on the table for today. Then he was back ON the table and I changed my vote. As I indicated in my answer to Jack, I'm not sure I'm going to stay there. New people have entered the thread and have new thoughts that I will consider. The night is not over.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

You're doing that thing you do again where you refuse to read a game beyond what you think you see directly in front of you

[Sloonei]

@G-Man why was sloonei the best choice to receive your vote on Day 2?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

There was no chance of me being lynched and two or three competing viable wagons at the time. Why was Sloonei the best vote?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

Why vote at all?

what

A vote for me on Day 2 meant nothing. G-man threw his vote away.

[Jackofhearts2005]

In what world does a civilian vote for himself when the game hangs in the balance as it does right now?

You don’t believe this.

In what world does a wolf do this?

Self voting is NAI because it’s against any wincon 99% of the time and we’re not in that 1% corner case.

[Sloonei]

Ok I see ted saying he is changing to Jay so I'll stop with the G-Man posts. Sloonei, I will read what you wrote.

I guess we need to resolve Jay this lynch. The people I trust as town are voting for him, I think Dom thought he was bad and we keep talking about it and talking about it. I think we have to get past it to sort the rest out. I can't be the only one thinking he is town - it's too much like what happened with Radish and with Elephant in Inception.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.

These two posts give the impression that juliets is just bouncing around between whichever wagons seem viable.

I'm not going to leave but @Michelle your post was hurtful.

Sloonei, my feeling about a Jay lynch are summed up in my post. I still don't see bad Jay but I understand for the good of the game and based on my assessments of Radish and Elephant his lynch might be the best option.

Meanwhile, ted re-kindled my interest in G-Man in a big way. I have been off and on about him the whole game. I started looking at some of his posts and posts about him but then when ted changed I thought he was not on the table for today. Then he was back ON the table and I changed my vote. As I indicated in my answer to Jack, I'm not sure I'm going to stay there. New people have entered the thread and have new thoughts that I will consider. The night is not over.

There’s no elephant in this game.

Walk me through your read on Jay, independent of the game-state or anyone else’s thoughts on him.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

You're doing that thing you do again where you refuse to read a game beyond what you think you see directly in front of you

Yeah. But I got a wolf right in front of me so it’s fine.

[TonyStarkPrime]

You need to lose your obsession and your ego, and just play. If you're a civvie hunting to win, a baddie hunting other baddies, or 3P hunting to survive, you are wrong, and the only way to show you how wrong is to give you what you want. I'm not giving up; I intend to give you want you want and let you live with the consequences.

For a civilian G-Man this would be throwing the game. You're not a petulant child. No thanks.

Oh don't you dare try to define me. I'm not throwing the game. You're trying to make my radical honesty sound bad. This ain't a gambit.

hold on didn’t you fake a posting restriction in this game

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm not going to leave but @Michelle your post was hurtful.

Sloonei, my feeling about a Jay lynch are summed up in my post. I still don't see bad Jay but I understand for the good of the game and based on my assessments of Radish and Elephant his lynch might be the best option.

Meanwhile, ted re-kindled my interest in G-Man in a big way. I have been off and on about him the whole game. I started looking at some of his posts and posts about him but then when ted changed I thought he was not on the table for today. Then he was back ON the table and I changed my vote. As I indicated in my answer to Jack, I'm not sure I'm going to stay there. New people have entered the thread and have new thoughts that I will consider. The night is not over.

lol Elephant

Two things:

1) We cannot be lynching "for the good of the game". It is way too late for that. One mislynch causes the civilian win chance to drop like a lead balloon. The lynch must be about suspicion and nothing but.

2) Clarify the yellow thing: are you saying per your assessments of Radish and [Elephant] that I am a candidate for that team?

[Jackofhearts2005]

It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

Oof

When you ignore my Mac case and ignore my Jay case and they both flip masters side, you look obvious.

You’ve townread me all game. I’m lynching wolves.

I’m getting nothing from you but awkward distancing plays with Jay.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

In what world does a civilian vote for himself when the game hangs in the balance as it does right now?

You don’t believe this.

In what world does a wolf do this?

Self voting is NAI because it’s against any wincon 99% of the time and we’re not in that 1% corner case.

For the same reason Mac did it. The very same Mac that just flipped mafia in this game we're playing in right now. It's a gamble -- if people buy the appeal, they move their votes. It's about survival. There's a clear mafia explanation and zero civilian explanation.

[Sloonei]

It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

Oof

When you ignore my Mac case and ignore my Jay case and they both flip masters side, you look obvious.

You’ve townread me all game. I’m lynching wolves.

I’m getting nothing from you but awkward distancing plays with Jay.

This is the second time you’ve suggested that I ignored the case on Mac and it’s the second time it hasn’t been true.

[Jackofhearts2005]

In what world does a civilian vote for himself when the game hangs in the balance as it does right now?

You don’t believe this.

In what world does a wolf do this?

Self voting is NAI because it’s against any wincon 99% of the time and we’re not in that 1% corner case.

For the same reason Mac did it. The very same Mac that just flipped mafia in this game we're playing in right now. It's a gamble -- if people buy the appeal, they move their votes. It's about survival. There's a clear mafia explanation and zero civilian explanation.

And yet, civies do this just as often.

Idk if you’re doing the bus distance go deep tango or looking for another mislynch but I don’t care. Your bs is palpable.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

Oof

When you ignore my Mac case and ignore my Jay case and they both flip masters side, you look obvious.

You’ve townread me all game. I’m lynching wolves.

I’m getting nothing from you but awkward distancing plays with Jay.

This is the second time you’ve suggested that I ignored the case on Mac and it’s the second time it hasn’t been true.

That’ll be real convincing when Jay flips wolf, I’m sure.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

In what world does a civilian vote for himself when the game hangs in the balance as it does right now?

You don’t believe this.

In what world does a wolf do this?

Self voting is NAI because it’s against any wincon 99% of the time and we’re not in that 1% corner case.

For the same reason Mac did it. The very same Mac that just flipped mafia in this game we're playing in right now. It's a gamble -- if people buy the appeal, they move their votes. It's about survival. There's a clear mafia explanation and zero civilian explanation.

And yet, civies do this just as often.

Idk if you’re doing the bus distance go deep tango or looking for another mislynch but I don’t care. Your bs is palpable.

You're not listening.

I'm not talking about any self-vote. Of course civilians have self-voted before.

I'm talking about self-voting at a point in the game when being mislynched could be the back-breaking, game-losing play. It's nonsense. I could see that from a teenager.

[Sloonei]

It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

Oof

When you ignore my Mac case and ignore my Jay case and they both flip masters side, you look obvious.

You’ve townread me all game. I’m lynching wolves.

I’m getting nothing from you but awkward distancing plays with Jay.

This is the second time you’ve suggested that I ignored the case on Mac and it’s the second time it hasn’t been true.

That’ll be real convincing when Jay flips wolf, I’m sure.

I don’t see how that’s relevant.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't believe I have ever seen a civilian lynch himself when the game is in as precarious a state as this one.

[Jackofhearts2005]

G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.

Which is, frankly, gross.

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

Jay: We can’t afford a mislynch.
Also Jay: Here is the weakest excuse ever to vote my counterwagon.

It doesn’t matter what GMan’s alignment is.

This is NOT town Jay

[mention]juliets[/mention] [mention]Juliets[/mention] [mention]tedxtr[/mention]

[Jackofhearts2005]

It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

Oof

When you ignore my Mac case and ignore my Jay case and they both flip masters side, you look obvious.

You’ve townread me all game. I’m lynching wolves.

I’m getting nothing from you but awkward distancing plays with Jay.

This is the second time you’ve suggested that I ignored the case on Mac and it’s the second time it hasn’t been true.

That’ll be real convincing when Jay flips wolf, I’m sure.

I don’t see how that’s relevant.

You’re a smart guy.

I can’t seem to drag you to a wolf lynch.

Why is that?

[Michelle]

Mafia self voting especially in a setup where one mafia starts at -2 gives room for wrong math from town and a possibility to switch at Eod.
it may not be anti wincon if i take it like this

Someone confirm this idea?