Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[Michelle]

Dom, Tony, and Epi are the names I'm least confident in after you (if we're accepting TH's claim about targeting Michelle). She only mentioned those three in a list of town reads when I specifically asked her for them.

Is there a "rule of 3" who says a wolf puts near 2 TRs a team mate?
Or maybe Sloonei comes with a list of townies here.

I saw Tony considered villager, and so was Epi. Idk.

[Michelle]

Jack, Dom, and juliets are not on Mac’s team. Everyone else is on the table as far as I’m concerned.

The anti-monitor is between Jay, Tony, Epi, or Dom for me. Dom seems the least likely of the bunch. I have no explicit reason to eliminate G-man, but I am not feeling that it’s him.

Thats not what your last rainbow said.

Let's take the sentences at right value.

Not Mac's team: Juliets
AM between: Jay, Tony, Epi

With the post quoted above looks like he really wanted Tony and Epi shaded and he kind of gives a damn of Jay's slot.

Though, he doesn't put Juliets as possible AM. I am sure he explained this before.

I keep Tony and Epi as looking better from lower probability of being Sloonei's team mates.

rest is wifom. *sighs

[Michelle]

ColinIsCool
Dom
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
Nanook
sprityo
tedxtr
Turnip Head

Those are the players in this thread. They will be the only ones in the poll.

1. Epi or Ted

OR

2. Epi and Ted

OR

3. None of them = level one full of villas and all baddies in dream levels? Can this be?

My opinion is that level one could not have been all civs.

Come on, we have 2 players you know better than me, risk a read please.

[Michelle]

Day 1 results

Spoiler: show

You'll notice that Jay, Sloonei, and ted are all on Radishes.

Day 2 Results

Spoiler: show

You'll notice that Jay and Sloonei are both on radishes.
Ted is off wagon.

Day 3 Results

Spoiler: show

Ted votes for Mac
Jay and Sloonei vote for sig.


We do not have Day 4.



...someone wanna tell me wtf Jay is doing analyzing anyone for compatibility with Mac and why Sloonei isn't on his list?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh Dom, you silly billy.

[Michelle]

Michelle and Sabie are never getting switched -- you don't BD two teammates.
And TH isn't flipping AM because then he never shoots his teammate. So TH is limited to the Master scum team, and if he tried to shoot Michelle then they aren't on the same team.

I think this post, the way it's explained, shows no TMI.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm recording a lecture for remote class today, and it feels incredibly ridiculous. I struggle to replicate the energy or enthusiasm of the classroom and can hardly keep myself awake. My students are going to pass out in three minutes

[juliets]

ColinIsCool
Dom
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
Nanook
sprityo
tedxtr
Turnip Head

Those are the players in this thread. They will be the only ones in the poll.

1. Epi or Ted

OR

2. Epi and Ted

OR

3. None of them = level one full of villas and all baddies in dream levels? Can this be?

My opinion is that level one could not have been all civs.

Come on, we have 2 players you know better than me, risk a read please.

Between Epi and ted I see Epi as town, so if there's scum on that level I think it's ted. I don't know both these players better than you - I have never played with ted before.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I appreciate the work you folks are doing. Please try your best though, civilians, to avoid developing strong biases about your present reads. Many of them seem predicated on the assumption that I am a mafioso, and often that I am specifically a Master teamer -- when this falls apart, you're going to need to have the cognitive resources to reassess without that interference.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I wish I was mafia. This would double my highest-ever post count as a bad guy.

[Michelle]

General question for everyone in this game:

If you find juliets suspicious, why do you find juliets suspicious?

Why do you give a shit about this?

I can answer this for Jay. I won't. But I can.

Jay-- more than anyone-- knows that asking for people to restate their opinions is an excelelnt way to catch a baddie.

Didn't expect the snark from a civ Jay.

Jack, I'm fairly sure you're wrong about juliets.

what oppinion had Jack back then?

The posts I quoted I think may be the reason to NK Dom
The suspicion was on Sloonei who was deep wolf and Jay.

[Michelle]

ColinIsCool
Dom
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
Nanook
sprityo
tedxtr
Turnip Head

Those are the players in this thread. They will be the only ones in the poll.

1. Epi or Ted

OR

2. Epi and Ted

OR

3. None of them = level one full of villas and all baddies in dream levels? Can this be?

My opinion is that level one could not have been all civs.

Come on, we have 2 players you know better than me, risk a read please.

Between Epi and ted I see Epi as town, so if there's scum on that level I think it's ted. I don't know both these players better than you - I have never played with ted before.

Agree on Ted, my bad, i should go to sleep because I misread it because I barely see at almost midnight.
sorry for that.

Answer me please at the question of what oppinion had Jack on you when Dom had that post i quoted.

[juliets]

[mention]tedxtr[/mention]

If Jay is scum this was a good early read:

I read some of cats and dogs and this ain't the town jjj, chief

Votes Radish Day 1, good look.

Read G-Man as scum early. I was off and on about G-Man but I think that was after he copped to his oompah-loompah self-curse. I'll have to see how ted's read develops.

I made the point earlier in the game that I didn't like this post to Dom who was asking why ted had told people to ask him questions but then didn't answer Dom's:

"if i don't answer questions it's because they were most likely either answered or easily searchable. that is, if you truly wanted an answer for what you were looking for."

"actually fairly positive it's already in my iso explained"

Night 1 another post about G-Man being scum.

Votes for G-Man after the oompah loompa posts start. I thought he was cursed so didn't understand this vote.

Says doesn't suspect Mac because of comparison with other games. I also compared Mac to Inception and did not see the same scum that he was there.

Says he sees nothing scummy about Mac.

In general, at this point in the thread ted is posting a lot of in depth posts.

I can't put my finger on exactly why but this post makes me feel yucky:

Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

I actually wanna hear this

There's not much to hear, yo. You give me vibes. Even with this post you give me vibes.

"Someone suspects me!? I LAUGH! Tell me of this inconsequential suspicion, fellow townie, and we'll work it out over tea." It's, just, it doesn't feel genuine.

It comes more from a PoV of me having a civ role and transparently laying out my thoughts, which would make me believe I'm obvious town (I never filter my thoughts) and me never being mislynched in one year of mafia is also contributing towards this. I'd rarely been suspected as town so I have high expectation when such claims occur.

Ok, I got lynched once but that was when I was on a holiday at the sea and I didn't care enough to stress myself

G-Man still scum Night 2

Believes G-Man, Jay and TH have high scum equity with Radish (who had flipped). We know two of these were wrong.

Believes sabie is bad. Good look if he's town.

Pushes for G-Man on Day 3.

Says my reaction to the Dizzy read on sig's slip stood out like a sore thumb, the case was non-sensical, I went hard on sig for no reason. Also said I was wolfy for reading his ISO and only holding him accountable for that one thing. I believe my reaction to this is already on record.

Said I have no read on G-Man which was untrue. I had voted him for awhile that day. He is jumping to conclusions not based in fact.

Voted Mac saying he'd be fine for a CFD of me.

[There are many posts about me from here on but I'll only highlight anything I think hasn't been discussed. ted doesn't know my game and I see no effort from him to try and understand it.]

Votes sprityo Day 4 as many others do.

Apologizes for his low activity (this is Day 5) and says he will do better. He hasn't returned to the high posting style he had at the beginning of the game but I think he gives reasons for that later.

After all the hullabaloo about me vs. sig which I have skipped he said I seemed off to him in the beginning of the game but now it feels like I'm back to normal levels (Night 6).

Doesn't have the energy to continue to push G-Man when others aren't feeling it.

Says speed, G-Man on Masters team. I don't see any reasons for the speed read.

Votes G-Man (Day 7)

Does not like the Jay push. Says he'd rather be strung up than have Jay get lynched but he really wants G-Man. Says he'll give full reads just don't lynch Jay - Day 7

Thinks Michelle is the indie. I disagree.

Sloonei reads him as anti-monitor. Then reads him as Mac's team. I don't know what to do with this. Those are possible ways to read him from what I've seen but I don't get Sloonei reading him both ways. Makes me wonder.

Continues to argue G-Man is scum. Says there's nothing that makes him town.

Says that speed, G-Man and Jack? are scum? I don't understand the Jack part. (Day 7)

Day 8 - Says I'm wolf with Sloonei. Gives Tranq a decent chance of being wolf with Sloonei. Civ/neutral lean on TSP. I'm not mafia, I think tranq looks towny, and TSP looks civ so we don't agree on reads.

Says speed has high AM equity. Continues to talk about me being wolf (I answered those posts this morning). Still have to read speed but I am not mafia.

I don't see anything that keeps ted from being on either of the scum teams. His pushes on me and G-Man have been misguided, his push that Mac was civ was also misguided. He states his reads with absolute certainly which can sway people but that's not good when his reads are wrong. That could be seen as a plus if the thinking is he would never push that hard if he was town. I'll read speed before making a final decision since my last civ slot is between he, Tranq and speed. I hope I'm not wrong on my other civ reads.

linki

[juliets]

ColinIsCool
Dom
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
Nanook
sprityo
tedxtr
Turnip Head

Those are the players in this thread. They will be the only ones in the poll.

1. Epi or Ted

OR

2. Epi and Ted

OR

3. None of them = level one full of villas and all baddies in dream levels? Can this be?

My opinion is that level one could not have been all civs.

Come on, we have 2 players you know better than me, risk a read please.

Between Epi and ted I see Epi as town, so if there's scum on that level I think it's ted. I don't know both these players better than you - I have never played with ted before.

Agree on Ted, my bad, i should go to sleep because I misread it because I barely see at almost midnight.
sorry for that.

Answer me please at the question of what oppinion had Jack on you when Dom had that post i quoted.

Michelle, Jack had me as scum at that point in the game.

[Michelle]

ColinIsCool
Dom
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
Nanook
sprityo
tedxtr
Turnip Head

Those are the players in this thread. They will be the only ones in the poll.

1. Epi or Ted

OR

2. Epi and Ted

OR

3. None of them = level one full of villas and all baddies in dream levels? Can this be?

My opinion is that level one could not have been all civs.

Come on, we have 2 players you know better than me, risk a read please.

Between Epi and ted I see Epi as town, so if there's scum on that level I think it's ted. I don't know both these players better than you - I have never played with ted before.

Agree on Ted, my bad, i should go to sleep because I misread it because I barely see at almost midnight.
sorry for that.

Answer me please at the question of what oppinion had Jack on you when Dom had that post i quoted.

Michelle, Jack had me as scum at that point in the game.

I see. One of his last posts is a TR for you. Dom also said the same. This is important rn no matter my paranoia.
I hope they are right. I feel you like in Inception game, this also helps to see you in a better light.
Speed will cringe about talking about feelings but idrc ^^

[Michelle]

nighty.

if i can i will wake up at Eod

[speedchuck]

I wish I was mafia. This would double my highest-ever post count as a bad guy.

This is a fair point and the one thing that has me hesitant in my read.

When I jumped into the ISO it was extensive. Maybe some of that town joy is there.

[speedchuck]

900 posts in about 25 days, or about what, 36 ppd?

[speedchuck]

900 posts in about 25 days, or about what, 36 ppd?

Meanwhile Jay's last town game that I happened across, Dogs vs. Cats, had about 500 posts in 15 days.

That math checks the hell out. Dammmm.

[speedchuck]

Meanwhile Mountain Mafia has 170 posts in 11 days, or about 15 ppd. He did replace into that game, and died mid-game, and so there were mitigating circumstances, but...

[speedchuck]

All that said, Jay might have more time thanks to COVID. It's not like post count should just clear him. But hey, we have a few hours, if anyone wants to talk about Jay's supah-reliable post-count meta.

[TonyStarkPrime]

All that said, Jay might have more time thanks to COVID. It's not like post count should just clear him. But hey, we have a few hours, if anyone wants to talk about Jay's supah-reliable post-count meta.

This is a champions game. If he were paired with Sloonei he could do it, if he were the AM then he’s basically been playing as town.

[TonyStarkPrime]

900 posts in about 25 days, or about what, 36 ppd?

23 days I think and he was out of thread for 2 of them

[TonyStarkPrime]

All that said, Jay might have more time thanks to COVID. It's not like post count should just clear him. But hey, we have a few hours, if anyone wants to talk about Jay's supah-reliable post-count meta.

This is a champions game. If he were paired with Sloonei he could do it, if he were the AM then he’s basically been playing as town.

In fact, to the AM end, Jay was pretty quiet the first few days by his standards. It only picked up around day 5.

[speedchuck]

All that said, Jay might have more time thanks to COVID. It's not like post count should just clear him. But hey, we have a few hours, if anyone wants to talk about Jay's supah-reliable post-count meta.

This is a champions game. If he were paired with Sloonei he could do it, if he were the AM then he’s basically been playing as town.

In fact, to the AM end, Jay was pretty quiet the first few days by his standards. It only picked up around day 5.

Fair point.

This is multiball, after all. Jay is allowed to hunt for real this game, so he doesn't have to fake content.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Zen Jay is a bit quieter. I like him better. He died though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Let's go find an anti-monitor

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I believe Michelle is the only one with any kind of mechanical clearance from anti-monitor candidacy.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I believe Michelle is the only one with any kind of mechanical clearance from anti-monitor candidacy.

Yes.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I believe Michelle is the only one with any kind of mechanical clearance from anti-monitor candidacy.

Perhaps Tranq too given dream level divisions

[juliets]

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

- Suspects sig Day 1 for saying if we don't deal with nutella there's nothing to keep this thing between Jack and nut to drag on into Days 2 and 3. Says it's a terrible reason to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. And I agree, it was.

- Tells us about his audio work and how slammed he is. I thought he was genuine and this plus the baby explains why we haven't seen his usually frequency.

- Has no idea why anyone would vote Radish. I saw this the same way.

- Day 2 - Dizzy and Dom are his top town reads. Doesn't want to lynch G-Man. Good look.

- Suspects ted because of vibes.

- Speed's response to ted's post about being civ that I quoted in my ted rea. I had bad vibes about the same post:

"Too calculated a response. Bad.

I mean, if you're seriously genuine here, then you have an ego the size of a train and self-analysis out the butt. It doesn't read like transparently laying out thoughts."


- Votes ted, said he could vote Mac as well. Good look from my pov.

- Changes vote to Mac - good look.

- Tells sig tossing Dizzy up as a scum read without a case is worse than speed tossing Dizzy up as a town read w/out a case. True enough.

- Day 3 - Makes his famous post that he would right now vote sig, Mac, TH and anyone else who AtEs.

- Votes Mac

- Votes sig

- Mac says speed is not living up to his norm. speed says he's audio editing (plus regular job) and so feel free to suspect him. I like speed's answer here to Mac.

- After the Dizzy ghost post about sig changes his vote to Mac.

- Says he's had a sig suspicion since Day 1, doesn't care which of them gets lynched. (And in fact I don't think it did matter)

- Votes sig because Sloonei asked for people to do that for mechanical reasons. Said he'd rather it be more than just mechanical reasons. I can understand him voting sig and after reading through this section I don't mind the flips back and forth between Mac and sig. I think it looks towny. Both were bad, hard to decide which is the better lynch.

- Mac accuses him of being scum.

- Makes a case that sig is not bad but at the end says he will probably still vote him. I read this case as speed exploring the option of sig being town, not really trying to convince us he was town.

- Day 5: Says he believes Nanook is scum, with some explanation. I don't mind this, I'm pretty sure I thought Nanook was scum.

- Asks Nanook to show him the reasons to toweread him. Nanook says see my ISO. speed - it's 11 pages. Yeah I was surprised Nanook did not want to repeat the reasons to town read him. Made him look bad in my eyes.

- Tells me I have a bad reason to town read him (his comment when he found out the main thread was lynching sprityo). I still like the reason though.

- Says he suspects Jay but is confused by him not wanting to self-preserve.

- Day 6 votes TH like many of us do.

- Votes ted - I don't see any reasons

- Votes Colin

- Responds to a Jay post that he (speed) has succeeded in his game goal with what little time he has. He existed, can be counted on to vote and he can be read but he's not going to make anyone 'feel' this game.

I'm going to stop here for now. I liked a lot of what I saw here with speed. In the dream level I voted for him based mostly on the fact that I didn't think he had a great explanation for his Mac-sig-Mac-sig shifts. But as I read through it today it seemed organic, it made sense to me. Also, I know in the part of his ISO I didn't review he had that emotional moment that I don't think would have happened if he were bad. So, all in all I have a towny read on speed from this.

I have to remember speed is a award-winning bad guy, so I would like to hear counter arguments. I think [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] reads him as bad and I know Jay does. Jay you don't have to repeat your interactive reads, I can look those up.

So at this point, I have to eliminate ted as someone in contention for the last civ spot on my roster. It's between speed and Tranq for me now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Returning to my old analyses for each Anti-Monitor team corpse:

Radish compatibility:
Epignosis
tedxtr

juliets
TonyStarkPrime

speedchuck
Tranq

sabie compatibility:
tedxtr
Tranq

TonyStarkPrime

Epignosis
speedchuck

sig compatibility:
speedchuck

Never got around to the rest. I'll do that now.

For what I have here though the names that stand out are speedchuck and tedxtr. ted's dually green. Maybe he bussed them and I've been on it backwards. speedchuck was three-times orange, serving as a generic suspect.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I believe Michelle is the only one with any kind of mechanical clearance from anti-monitor candidacy.

Perhaps Tranq too given dream level divisions

and Tony. This is nicely reductive

[juliets]

I didn't really see speed's compatibility with sig going through his ISO. Would I find your ana

[juliets]

oops lol, I pressed enter.

I was asking if I would find that in your interactive reads Jay or could you just restate your thoughts?

[juliets]

I didn't see any reason in my read of ted that he couldn't be the anti-monitor.

[juliets]

Oh wow I just looked at EOD and it's not until 11:34. I seriously doubt I will make it that far so the more we can do now the better.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis on sig

Spoiler: show

sig is a civilian.

Like am I crazy here or is this a potential slip.

Speculation: juliets could still be a baddie. Nothing except 'she's played well' disqualifies her.

But I don't have the energy nor commitment to look there.

This was from Inception. Master Radishes was Independent. There is no slip.

Also jay the fact that I’m playing at all during D0 despite having stated I wouldn’t be (we see how long that lasted!), should be a fairly good indicator I’m town. I don’t feel the need to get sucked in quite as much as scum.

In inception you pretty much held back until day 2

I'll talk more about this later, but nanook is playing within his scum meta in everything from tone to posting style.

I literally just played two games with him where he was mafia, one I was indy so didn't care much to hunt and one where I was civ and did. Both times I knew he was mafia, before any information or anything game one i was brushed off and mafia won.

Game 2 it was a mix Epi jumped on and we won the game.

Now having said that during Circut, I believe, before I seriously called him out I skimmed over inception and just did again his playstyle and tone doesn't match inception but matches the other two.

He's being overly aggressive and defensive and honestly way to aggressive for this phase in the game, for the level of commitment I've put into going after him, and for the amount of votes/attention he's getting from everybody.

Only reason he's doing this? Since I again successfully called his alignment and he's pissed off.

If not then he's just a hella toxic player and honestly should be lynched anyway. Though given his last few games I doubt that's the case.

Chiefly and I'll pull up quotes from this and other games later either tomorrow or Thursday is that as mafia he gets hella defensive to early and super sarcastic/trolling. Mainly over minor pokes. Like he did here.

He's also in both games, where he was scum, made comments about being mafia/mafia chat. Now this alone isn't the closing. People do that all the time but his reaction to whenever I've brought it up has been exactly the same every game. Read through them if you don't believe me.

@Sloonei @Jackofhearts2005 you two were his teammates in Circuits care to weight in?

sig is going HAM.

sig and S~V~S are civilians.

4. Not be Canadian. (No offense Canadians. )

sig bout to catch a modkill

If sig isn't a civilian, I don't know what to tell you.

If sig isn't a civilian, I don't know what to tell you.

If sig isn't a civilian, I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah sig is my top town read.

This is why sig got one post yesterday.

I think Sig is mafia he seems super scummy. Like who busses that much? He wasn't even right about Nanook 1.0!

Huh?

What?

I don't understand your post.

Also food for thought that I'm workshoping:

N1 there was no kill

This is correct.

and Sprityo/Dom started to pursue Mac more heavily.

I'll take your word for it.

Now there were a few things floating around about that,

I'm not sure what you mean here. What things?

but given some of the voters on his wagon and how Sabie flipped I think Team 1 tried to kill Mac and it didn't work since he has the one night kill protection. Which led to a push from some of the players on his wagon to flip him to gain civ credit.

This bit is begging the question. Your assumption is that Mac was the N1 kill target and that the Night 1 killing team went after him, which is why Mac is bad. There are also a host of reasons why someone could survive a kill. I doubt very seriously Mac was the Night 1 kill target. I wouldn't kill him. He was doing fuck all.

I am not opposed to lynching MacDougall. I need to be convinced. This doesn't do it for me.

What I don't join is your sig vote. It makes no fucking sense to me.

sig isn't mafia. Fuck outta here with that.

Hey Epi. Are you and sig the last two Anti-Monitors?

Yes.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Why is everybody up sig's ass? Holy shit.

Has sig responded to any of that?

Classic Maria tell.

I'm phone posting as I. M driving to next class.

I think sig is a better lynch than Mac.

Why?

Worms time. I'll be back before the poll locks. I like my vote where it is. sig can hang. Mac can hang. I don't give a shit.

sig's still a top suspect.

I don't agree. Lynch Jack.

You parse that by lynching Jack.

I completely missed the 'why' there. I know you suspect him, but how does he connect to this? Or is that independent?

Jack is on the sabie / Radises team.

What manner of civilian preemptively calls out anyone who might make cases against other people when "we're supposed to be lynching Mac." He accused anyone who might on Day 4 accuse anyone else as defending Mac.

That's because he's on the other bad team. The one with sabie and Radishes.

And sig is not?

Or do you propose Jack and Sig w/w?

I condemned Jack based on sabie stuff. I can link you if need be.

Then he preemptively calls anybody who makes cases against anyone after sig is dead teammates of Mac. That's horseshit. Jack is not a civilian. Lynch his ass.

Can we do it after Sig?

I understand your position on Jack now but you didn't actually answer my questions there.

Sorry. I was being dramatic.

I had sig as a civilian. If people want to lynch him, I'm not standing in the way.

I realize that isn't satisfying, but it's why I tipped the scales in favor of a Mac lynch.

I want someone now to make the case for Sig as town.
Is anyone doing that? Besides Sig?

Nanook kinda

And epi
And mac rip lol

I had my doubts, but I think sig is a good guy. Stop fucking with him.

"Sig calls on Mac (and Epi) to comment on baddie-gate. Mac and sig are not partners and if I'm wrong about that I will eat every shoe I own."

Why is this worth saying now?

Well, I assume sig is dying, which is fine, but I don't think that's the smartest play. I'm not around much to cause a bit of noise, but oh well

I mix it up.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Reckon we're all sig's teammates.

JJJ lynch before sig. Do it.

The case here is pretty clear-cut. Epignosis stood in sig's corner more than anyone else. That isn't a damning thing on its own, but at no juncture did Epignosis provide any coherent rationale for why he felt that way. When Zombie Dizzy brought out the slip theory and sig became a major lynch target, Epi kind of shrugged his way into accepting it -- before then finding anyone else available to lynch instead. He went for Jack a bit. When sig was outed he tried to lynch me.

They're definitely compatible. These words are red.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

oops lol, I pressed enter.

I was asking if I would find that in your interactive reads Jay or could you just restate your thoughts?

Click

[Epignosis]

All that said, Jay might have more time thanks to COVID. It's not like post count should just clear him. But hey, we have a few hours, if anyone wants to talk about Jay's supah-reliable post-count meta.

I don't give a toss about Jay's post count. If there's another reason to view him favorably, I'm willing to hear it.

[Epignosis]

I believe Michelle is the only one with any kind of mechanical clearance from anti-monitor candidacy.

Perhaps Tranq too given dream level divisions

Eh?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

juliets on sig

Spoiler: show

And juliet is 3p she picked sorbet which isn't ice cream its sorbet.

Lol sig, look at the poll question: "Which flavor is your favorite?" not "Which flavor ice cream is your favorite?" Someone brought this up earlier.

Like am I crazy here or is this a potential slip.

MacDougall
Epignosis

sig, what are you saying is a slip?

Like am I crazy here or is this a potential slip.

MacDougall
Epignosis

sig, what are you saying is a slip?

never mind sig, I see what you were asking about now.

Can someone explain the radishes case to be? Is it just “he hasn’t made enough of an impression”?

As I was reading through today every time I came to a Radish vote it seemed like it was out of the blue so I also have the same question as Nanook. What is the case? Maybe people made one a long the way and I just didn't put all the pieces together but if so please put it together for me.

I'm feeling good about sig, Dizzy, JaggedJay, ted and SVS and I'm starting to feel better about Nanook. There are probably more but I'm tired at the moment and not remembering everyone.

I need to read Jack's ISO to get a better handle on him. I can understand Nutella's frustration because bad Jack "tunneled" me twice when I was civ in separate games and it was infuriating. Still, I'm not sure that's what's going on here and I need to put together why he's got so many votes. I am notoriously bad at reading Jack though as everyone who played Inception remembers I'm sure.

S~V~S's thoughts on nutella sway me to start leaning town on her. I will ISO her as well just to make sure.

As I said, I'm tired and not feeling well at the moment so I'm going to rest for a bit and come back to start digging in.

ISO nutella

Ok, I'm pooped. As in tired, not as in poo. I have to stop in the middle of this ISO and things were just starting to get spicy.

Nothing too much in this first part of the ISO. Overall, I know nutella jokes around during games but look at the beginning of this ISO. Her joking seems prolonged to me, is she trying to make a good impression? As I said below I need to look at another couple of games at the beginning to see if I see the same thing. (The game Jack linked for example and one where she was town). Maybe some of you can remember whether this is indicative of her every game.

There is the post about sig that I didn't like but thats mostly because of the language. It struck me as too casual, and I don't know how to describe my feeling except to say the tone seems to be wrong. I pointed it out below.

People have said they see no emotion in her posts and I have to disagree with that. I see exasperation, frustration and what I would call anger in the last posts I've listed here. I'm not saying that means she's bad but it's curious to me that others have read the same and didn't see any emotion.

I can't make a call on her until I finish her ISO which I will do in the morning, early. I'm going to leave the page open so I'll know where I stopped so it will probably look like I'm here all night but I really won't be. I'll hang for a few minutes and see if nutella wants to respond to anything before I go to bed. Sorry I can't finish it tonight but I'm at my limit.

Spoiler: show

- Starts out goofing around about the ice cream, I see nothing AI in this.

- Says she hasn't played with ted before but likes his style.

- Says she hasn't played mafia in two months and hi (to someone, I don't know who).

- JJJ says she is talking in complete sentences like she did when she was bad in Arrowverse as opposed to the way she posted in the Wire where she was town.
She makes a couple of funny posts about this, doesn't treat it seriously. I'm not sure if Jay was serious or not but if he was she never addressed his point.

- Asks ted about his "garbage" post

- Jay says Tony is mafia because of his joking entrance. Nutella disagrees with this read.
Is this because she has entered joking as well?

- Continues to joke around with/about Jay and Sloonei.

- Joke posts with/about Sloonei, Master Rabbit, Nanook

- Says Sloonei is mafia, she says to him she says this every game but this time she means it

- More ice cream joking.
She is now about 38 posts in and most have been joking. Is this AI or no? Need to check another game or two of hers. At this point it looks like she's trying to be entertaining (and she is funny) maybe because it might throw people off?

- Says she had a mind meld with Jay and Sloonei that sig is sketch claiming people are trying to form a town core and sig is scared of any perceived town coalescing.
I don't like this post. Her language seems forced casual "hella sketch", "k", "scurred" and it feels like she is jumping on this so she can agree with Jay and maybe Sloonei. This doesn't feel like authentic nutella to me.

- Says she agrees with Dizzy's assessment that Sloonei is not town core (so I guess I'm wrong about her wanting to agree with Sloonei).

- Jokes about a Sloonei vs. Dizzy fight.

- Jokes about different spreads.

- sig brings up possibility that Radish slipped when he used the term baddie in the thread, said there was an old timer in their scum bts. Nutella's response was "Come on, that's just too out there".
I thought it was a stretch as well so I agreed with her comment.

- Brings up that the hosts used the term baddie in the OP.

- When sig asks Epi and Mac to confirm it could be a slip, nutella says: "Dude read LC's intro posts. If nothing else he got it from there. But regardless it's not an uncommon generic term. Slip, my ass." I don't disagree but this seemed too strongly worded, like she was exasperated. Why would she be over this?

- Then she quotes where LC said the word baddie.

- Responds to Nanook saying the fact that he was unable to hold back from posting which should tell people he's town by saying "in Inception you pretty much held back until Day 2"

- Next post responds to sig's suspicion of Nanook by saying she's inclined to trust him (sig) because of his confidence and because of the difference she saw in Inception and this game.

- Agrees with Jay's read list pretty much except Mac is showing some promise now that he's here and she's waffling on sig (this was about an hour and 45 minutes or so from the time she says she was inclined to trust sig's read so something may have happened in that time period to cause a change of mind. I don't have time to check it.)

- Votes Nanook (so I guess she still is inclined to trust sig's read. Odd given she was waffling on sig literally 3 minutes before.)

- Laughs at Jack's Nutella (maybe) post. Says next time we should do salad dressings.

- Responds to Jack's "she's mimicking her town game or she's good" by saying "lol what is this garbage. u bad bro?"

- Then says "im jack and ive never been wrong about nutella before so i have to put a maybe she's town in there to cover my ass"

- Next post:
"are you like, reading from a clipboard? seriously what is this?
what have you done with jack??
would you actually be this obvious tho??
[VOTE: JACK] aubergine"

I'm finally home and caught up except I haven't read all of Jay - will finish that momentarily. I want to read through EOD again, painful as that may be, but I will keep this window open and check back frequently for current discussion.

Just some thoughts/questions while reading through -

S~V~S posted that she would be mad if G-Man's AtE turned out to be baddie motivated but she doesn't think it is because he couldn't live with the guilt. That describes what I felt when I read it too but I'm having misgivings after seeing that others aren't giving him an inch of ground on that because he's so compatible with Radish. Reading that post again about not voting for Radishes because of Sloonei was definitely ugh. I'll revisit this issue at some point today.

ColinIsCool you said you would lynch Jack based on the Radish flip - anything specific you can talk about?

tedxtr you asked why nutella seems off tonally but so far I'm not seeing that. Can you be more specific?

Jackofhearts2005 you made a comment that the chances of Mac being scum are cut in half after the Radish flip. Maybe I'm taking that too literally but could you talk more about why?

I do agree with the suspicion thats out there about sabie but I need to look at the details to explain it (this thought was triggered by Dizzy's post about her).

I laughed when I got to Dizzy's post about being more confident now - I feel exactly the opposite. I will keep trying though.

Jay's finding about sig being decently compatible with Radishes was a surprise so I want to look into that more. I have avoided looking at sig's ISO because I perceive there's so much.

Linki: I think we should pursue obvious links to Radish, but be spending most of the next phase trying to hunt the other team and preferably have one of them as a counterwagon. Usually if you eliminate one team the other doesn't inherit the kill so as long as we don't ignore them I'd say full steam on Radish peeps.

Had something changed? In the past the kill WAS inherited. Is that no longer the norm?

Linki @ jay, that could be because Nanook 1 thought the baddie slip business was lame, and that colored his thoughts.

Last game I played with multiple teams it wasn't but I can't recall where/when that was.

Just fyi, every game I've played that I can remember with two teams one team inherited the other's kill when the team was eliminated. I believe that's true for the LC/BR games I have played.

I don't understand any of this. "Janitor", how this proves Mac is bad, any of it.

I feel ignorant. Can someone explain this to me like I'm an ignoramus cause obviously I am.

sig theorized before that Mac was Saitama and targeted him so he could only post one post during the day. Mac almost got lynched yesterday so now sig is saying that Mac as Saitama used his other power on Dizzy last night, janitoring the kill (making it so that Dizzy's role wasn't revealed) because he or the team feels like he (Mac) will be lynched today so he needed to use the power last night. Somebody correct this if I've got it wrong.

Here is the Saitama role:

Saitama - Each night, you will choose one player to be limited to a single post during the next day. You have a one-time nightkill survival, and once in the game you can janitor a kill you perform, giving you alone the result.

SVS Jay and Sloonei probably the Radish voters I’m most interested in as bussers

I’d probably kill between them and tranq today

Maybe nutella/drago if I’m ignoring my desire to play with Nutella

Tbh I’d probably kill the other three over sloonei too

No interest in Mac today in lieu of sig's theory?

Not gonna finish my sig read at the moment because it's time to go to the gym. Be back around 2/2:30 and will finish it.

I'm back and continuing to read sig.

linki w/TSP will read later

There is a civ that can't be nked and two protection roles, Aja and Lassie.

Yea, but I doubt they'd have targeted Mac.

I did think about the civ role, a fair amount. However, I think it's much more likely he's mafia.

Also to Epi, I do plan to finish my case, this phase just caught me at a bad time.

Alternatively to Mac,

I'd say Sprityo is a good lynch followed by an inactive/semi active role. Think a lurker who isn't doing much.

linki: Your back and forth with Dom yesterday, various other posts, your small dick comments, and your entire tone when discussing you.

Here's the actual slip, guys!

When SVS suggests that the no kill on N1 may have been for many reasons, Sig answers with the knowledge that Mac was the actual kill target.

Read it. Sig says he doubts the protective role would target Mac (so that couldn't be the reason why the kill failed.) And then Sig says that he considered that Mac could be the civ role, but that he thinks that Mac is just much more likely mafia (again revealing that Mac was targeted for a NK.)

Digest this.
Again, Sig reveals that he KNOWS THAT MAC WAS THE TARGET FOR THE KILL.

The only explanation is that Sig KNOWS that Mac was targeted for a NK. He would only know that if he was the one targeting him for a NK. This is why Sig is tunnelling Mac, with extra knowledge.

Sig is scum with Radish and Sabie.
Sig not being mentioned (except once) in Sabie's ISO is just icing on the cake. Same with Sig being hedgy about Radish on D1.

I stopped reading sig for a few minutes and saw this post. I think it is right on target. Nice work Dyslexicon! To me this is conclusive but I won't vote yet in case there is some fatal flaw that stupid me has overlooked.

Also, this doesn't mean that Mac is town, as Dizzy says. sig's theory could still be right though I will say in reading sig's ISO it didn't seem like he talked about Mac as much as he talked about Sprityo and someone else (slips my mind at the moment who) prior to his getting reduced to one post. The theory about Mac targeting Dizzy though because he was probably going to be lynched still holds for me plus there are other things that people have noted about Mac.

linkis

I don't see anyone pointing out a flaw in Dizzy's logic so I'm voting. Normally I would wait to hear from sig but this looks black and white to me. I can't think of an explanation that would make this go away.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

I'm going to cut it here for the sake of time. juliets didn't do a ton with sig until prompted by two separate sources -- Dizzy and I -- based on their slip theory and my Radish interaction analyses. She emerged from her own investigation with suspicion and a vote. I don't think this stuff looks particularly like distancing. I can leave some room for it, as juliets wasn't quite as effortful in her assessments of sig as she was the likes of Mac or Sloonei.

Minor compatibility

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I believe Michelle is the only one with any kind of mechanical clearance from anti-monitor candidacy.

Perhaps Tranq too given dream level divisions

Eh?

He and Tony were alone with sig in the bottom level. Whatever sig's degree of control, it doesn't strike me as the most probable that he'd be down there with his teammate. Michelle's mechanical clearance is more conclusive; this is still something to be considered.

[Epignosis]

So at this point, I have to eliminate ted as someone in contention for the last civ spot on my roster. It's between speed and Tranq for me now.

"Ted, thanks for playing. You've won this glamorous toaster."

[JaggedJimmyJay]

All that said, Jay might have more time thanks to COVID. It's not like post count should just clear him. But hey, we have a few hours, if anyone wants to talk about Jay's supah-reliable post-count meta.

I don't give a toss about Jay's post count. If there's another reason to view him favorably, I'm willing to hear it.

I don't fit on either team. I was among the key players in the massacre of sig's team. I did nothing of substance to keep Mac around long-term. Sloonei capitalized on the worsening thread climate for me by trying to peg me as the Anti-Monitor (and only backing off when he feared he couldn't justify it any longer by my degree of effort). There's no reason for him to do that if I'm his teammate, and it also directly contradicts any general notion that he and I were just chumming around together all game long.

[juliets]

Thanks [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention], on the speedchuck read are you suggesting they are distancing from each other? They sure aren't supportive of each other. When I read through speed's changes from Mac-sig-Mac-sig I didn't hate it. I thought it looked ok. (I thought I would hate it.) So ok, I'll think about your read here, he could be fooling me I guess.

[TonyStarkPrime]

All that said, Jay might have more time thanks to COVID. It's not like post count should just clear him. But hey, we have a few hours, if anyone wants to talk about Jay's supah-reliable post-count meta.

I don't give a toss about Jay's post count. If there's another reason to view him favorably, I'm willing to hear it.

I don't fit on either team. I was among the key players in the massacre of sig's team. I did nothing of substance to keep Mac around long-term. Sloonei capitalized on the worsening thread climate for me by trying to peg me as the Anti-Monitor (and only backing off when he feared he couldn't justify it any longer by my degree of effort). There's no reason for him to do that if I'm his teammate, and it also directly contradicts any general notion that he and I were just chumming around together all game long.

It’s a good self defense.

[juliets]

All that said, Jay might have more time thanks to COVID. It's not like post count should just clear him. But hey, we have a few hours, if anyone wants to talk about Jay's supah-reliable post-count meta.

I don't give a toss about Jay's post count. If there's another reason to view him favorably, I'm willing to hear it.

I don't fit on either team. I was among the key players in the massacre of sig's team. I did nothing of substance to keep Mac around long-term. Sloonei capitalized on the worsening thread climate for me by trying to peg me as the Anti-Monitor (and only backing off when he feared he couldn't justify it any longer by my degree of effort). There's no reason for him to do that if I'm his teammate, and it also directly contradicts any general notion that he and I were just chumming around together all game long.

It’s a good self defense.

Yes, it is.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thanks JaggedJimmyJay, on the speedchuck read are you suggesting they are distancing from each other? They sure aren't supportive of each other. When I read through speed's changes from Mac-sig-Mac-sig I didn't hate it. I thought it looked ok. (I thought I would hate it.) So ok, I'll think about your read here, he could be fooling me I guess.

Gun to my head, I don't think speedchuck is mafia at all. The appeal to emotion incident still carries weight for me. Regarding compatibility though, my concerns stem from an inbalance in their interaction -- sig didn't acknowledge speedchuck that much considering the opportunities speed gave him for that. I was bothered more than you were by the Day 3 vote swaparoos.

[Epignosis]

Kids are using my computer for the remainder of this hour. I'll be back then.