I'd wager mafia just pissed their pants at the idea of nanook being a cop.
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Re: Banjo-Kazooie Mafia [Day 3]
Popping in while I eat some dinner.
I am totally baffled by Nanook’s actions, but RIP.
Ding dong the witch is dead!
Are we thinking it was a SK or did Jimmy add a ?-shot civvie vig to balance his baddie-friendly game?
I am totally baffled by Nanook’s actions, but RIP.
Ding dong the witch is dead!
Are we thinking it was a SK or did Jimmy add a ?-shot civvie vig to balance his baddie-friendly game?
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PS- I’ll try to answer your questions, totes;
I’m that nice of a nice fella.
Don’t give me your votes
Because I know who killed Nutella.
I’m that nice of a nice fella.
Don’t give me your votes
Because I know who killed Nutella.
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I can't imagine it being a SK. Why would an SK go for nutella?
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Re: Banjo-Kazooie Mafia [Night 2]
Maybe he thought that, if his role had a purpose for town, that might be it. A pseudo-cop sort of thing. I'm pretty convinced he was wrong, with all the vanilla flips (and the non-vanilla scum flip).Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 6:11 pm Kind of a weird role for nanook to have. I wonder what kind of conclusion he was trying to get based on it.
He knew Sig was vanilla, alright. Did he think vanilla mafia was more likely to be bad?
You could argue it is because the host said he would make up for the setup being scumsided. But so far there have been a lot of vanilla town roles.
That said I'm expecting the mafia to be pretty weak. Maybe nutella was the only non-vanilla role in the mafia since she is the villain of the game. Then again this isn't a very powerful ability for it to be the only one, I guess.
In any case, we can move on from it now. Nanook and Sig both flipped, and their actions aren't going to tell us much. We can look for TMI there, and for nutella interactions.
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Re: Banjo-Kazooie Mafia [Day 3]
My initial thoughts are that, based on what I remember reading of nutella this morning, Sloonei looks pretty good? And G-man maybe as well?
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I'm lowkey just waiting for the ISO people to do their thing before voting.
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Ponder this with me, folks:
I have information that, if shared and corroborated, could reduce our POE pool by two.
If Nutella was killed by a serial killer, then I give Jimmy mad points for it, even if it impairs the winnability of the game for the civs.
An SK can’t be trusted by either side,
And we’d see which side would flinch.
Would the baddies skin the SK’s hide,
Or do we all give in and lynch?
If Nutella was killed by a civvie vig, then it begs the question...
One shot? Two shot?
How many do they got?
If one’s the number, then let’s dance!
If it’s more then I take a firm stance.
Would a one-shot civ vig be enough balance for the rest of what we perceive this game to be? I don’t want to expose someone with another round of ammo and feed the baddies an easy kill choice for Night 3.
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I have information that, if shared and corroborated, could reduce our POE pool by two.
If Nutella was killed by a serial killer, then I give Jimmy mad points for it, even if it impairs the winnability of the game for the civs.
An SK can’t be trusted by either side,
And we’d see which side would flinch.
Would the baddies skin the SK’s hide,
Or do we all give in and lynch?
If Nutella was killed by a civvie vig, then it begs the question...
One shot? Two shot?
How many do they got?
If one’s the number, then let’s dance!
If it’s more then I take a firm stance.
Would a one-shot civ vig be enough balance for the rest of what we perceive this game to be? I don’t want to expose someone with another round of ammo and feed the baddies an easy kill choice for Night 3.
Deliberate we must.
We could gain two to trust.
Nine of us remain.
Who must we detain?
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Re: Banjo-Kazooie Mafia [Day 3]
There is no serial killer. OP clearly states only 2 factions
Town and Mafia. That's it.
Town and Mafia. That's it.
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Re: Banjo-Kazooie Mafia [Day 3]
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:34 pm
This game features only two factions: civilians and mafia.
Night phases are open. Mafia BTSC is constant.
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Re: Banjo-Kazooie Mafia [Day 3]
Gman is a town read for me.
I'm looking at DDL, Tony/speed and Russti now and their interactions with nutella, and reactions to the Mac and sig lynches.
I'm looking at DDL, Tony/speed and Russti now and their interactions with nutella, and reactions to the Mac and sig lynches.
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Perfect. I don’t know how many times I have read over the OP content and that never sank in.
So forget all the jive turkey SK stuff and riddle me this:
Is sharing my information worth the risk of losing out on a possible additional civ vig kill?
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Re: Banjo-Kazooie Mafia [Day 3]
I think you should hold onto it for now, G, and allow the person to role claim when they want.
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Hmmm not what I expected but now we don't have to lynch either of them. Good get, whoever vigged nutella!
G-Man looks good imo, as for his info I only request that he doesn't take his info to the grave since he's now a target. Sloonei also looks good.
I'll probably iso Nutella in the morning and see what I can dig up, I'm sure others will do their own isos of her
G-Man looks good imo, as for his info I only request that he doesn't take his info to the grave since he's now a target. Sloonei also looks good.
I'll probably iso Nutella in the morning and see what I can dig up, I'm sure others will do their own isos of her
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Re: Banjo-Kazooie Mafia [Day 3]
Also so freaking weird but I had a dream that somehow included this game last night and Jack was playing in it I shit you not. Woke up and heres jack replaced in for Tony. So basically, I see the future now. Jack was bad. Let's see if that holds up too...
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Where is her progression on Tony? Nothing.
She's accused almost every civ flip we have plus TH. So why Tony? She forgot he was playing the game with speed?
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I don't think it's that confusing. Maybe he was thinking that if sig had lied and claimed a PR, he'd have caught sig in a lie, and if not then he might have backed off.
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Re: Banjo-Kazooie Mafia [Day 3]
MP, Sloonei, Gman and Turnip are my lock town reads.
speed I just town read for his efforts, though they haven't been a lot if posts, I see town voice behind his posts.
So my POE
JACK/ Tony
DDL
Russti
I'm not sure if we'd be working with 2 or 3 baddies but 3 is more likely. That's the pool of 3 I'll be looking at this phase.
What are everyone else's 3 person suspect pool look like now?
speed I just town read for his efforts, though they haven't been a lot if posts, I see town voice behind his posts.
So my POE
JACK/ Tony
DDL
Russti
I'm not sure if we'd be working with 2 or 3 baddies but 3 is more likely. That's the pool of 3 I'll be looking at this phase.
What are everyone else's 3 person suspect pool look like now?
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Yeah, Sloonei is effectively lock clear for me now after that flip. He's my top town easily.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 7:16 pm My initial thoughts are that, based on what I remember reading of nutella this morning, Sloonei looks pretty good? And G-man maybe as well?
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Interactive reads, under the umbrella
of the deceased mafioso nutella.
What will I find, what clues exist?
If this doesn't work, I will be pissed.
A Day 0 comment about Russtifinko's view on role claims. Russ hasn't played much recently, so has a different take on claiming than most of our current regulars. This post doesn't offer any judgment, so I can't say too much about nutella's handling of russ here.
Sig is wicked departed now, but nutella's first stance was opposition to early suspicion against him. This may bode well for the people who opposed sig early on.
People like MP, for instance, who she votes for here. M Plus 7 +1
Wholesale support for Mac's day 1 reads. It's probably more accurate to read this as (phony) support of the effort from MacDougall, but if we mine it for more clues, we get support of the following list of suspects: Turnip Head, Epignosis, Nanook, MP, dunya, and G-man. I do not think that all of them need to be town, but nutella might be more resistant (at least, less openly supportive) if the list was threatening to her or her team.
MP is looking better in nutella's eyes, but he's not without scrutiny. Nanook and Turnip are getting attention from nutella now. Her team just killed nanook last night, it would seem. I think MP continues to look good here. Not enough data on TH.
This vote from dunya doesn't have quite enough sticking power to be a slam dunk, but the exchange still has enough that I like: I think if the ladies are teammates then it's less likely that they'd have this sort of in-thread miscommunication for nutella to ignore a point raised against her by teammate-dunya so early on, and the response from nutella appears a bit sheepish, which would be another indication of non-alignment. Good look for dunya.
Blanket dunya suspicion. I'm more inclined to believe that this post doesn't exist between partners, but that is also not a slam dunk.
She gets a bit defensive when epi calls her out on that dunya read. This may be a slightly worse look for dunya if we consider that nutella was nervous for her own sake and for the sake of her phony teammate read at this moment. But I think it's enough to say that nutella was just defending her own read, and perhaps the reason she felt compelled to give dunya a town read so early is because she was afraid of her.
I'll also note that this response reminds me a tiny bit of nutella's initial response to dunya's vote, though that one was a little more subdued. My interpretation of each of those posts has been favorable for dunya, but I see room for alternative theories in all of them. I'd like to hear from others on these posts.
This would be some harsh bussing if TH and nutella are teammates. Also in hindsight this post should have been a red flag ("I need someone to vote for other than MP" is yucky language). A little bit of Day 1 distancing is certainly in nutella's playbook and the vote feels kind of passive and arbitrary, which may be a sign that she didn't mean for it to stick. I'll be interested in examining Turnip Head's reaction on the other side of this exchange when I get there.
Hot take: one of these two is bad.
Still inconclusive on TH. I'll have to dig further into this garden when I'm done with the current exercise (or sometime later, because I'm supposed to be editing my thesis right now).
The above TH suspicion is immediately followed up with a jab at nanook, who we now know to be town. Maybe nutella is trying to pivot away from her teammate. Maybe she's reaching out in all directions for civilian mislynches. We're getting towards the end of Day 1 here, where Mac and sig were the primary wagons. There's no real need for nutella to divert momentum away from either of those. It's more likely she's just trying to appear proactive and/or setting up things for later here.
This post was a red flag in the moment. The poll was close enough that a vote for Tony here would have made him theoretically viable. nutella spoke as if that wasn't the case and I gave her shit for it, at which point she placed a vote on Tony. Nothing materialized from it, we lynched sig, and tony was hardly a suspect on Day 2. Bad look for Tony/Jack (Don't worry, Jack. If we lynch you in this game it will be a Tony lynch. You're safe).
GTH reads, neat. Epi, nanook, speedchuck, and tony are bad. I gave tony some credit for pushing Epi during the night when he was about to die. We see nutella doing the same thing here. That makes me lose a bit of confidence in my tony town read.
I'll restate my hot take from before: one of tony or speedchuck is bad.
I don't know why this observation exists, but dunya's name is in it.
There's nothing that I can really latch onto here, at least not by just looking at nutella's side of things, but these interactions with TH are distinctly peculiar.
Names galore. DDL is saying something that makes sense, cool. TH is pushing nanook on a faulty premise, cool. Sig is bad and gets a vote, the his push on MP is fundamentally flawed, cool. She "doesn't see the case on G-man at all", very cool. The exchange that convinced me nutella was bad stemmed from that last comment. I'm not quite sure what it means for Da G. As dunya observes, the stance nutella eventually takes is very bold in support of G-man, but that was more a product of the back-and-forth between the two of us than a direct push on G-man. I made her talk about it, and she was committed to casting shade on me. I believe this post here marks her first mention of G-man in the game. I also don't think she'd acknowledged DDL beforehand. She uses his theory in part to prop up her sig vote here, for whatever that's worth.
This doesn't look like a teammate interaction. DDL looks to be authentically contradicting nutella's desired angle and nutella gives a tentative concession without moving her vote. If they're teammates nutella can ignore it or DDL just doesn't make the original post.
"One of TH or DDL is bad shrug2" My money's on TH right now.
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Like I said before, this became less about G-man and more about me, man. I'm not swayed all that much by the volume of content where nutella appears to be defending G-man, as that was mostly my doing. Me me me, I'm so great. nutella's initial position was "I don't see the case on G-Man at all. He feels like normal G-Man to me." That is a harmless thing to say at that stage even if G-man is her partner. He's not in immediate danger, and this is a very quick and easy way to bat that suspicion away and move onto something else. It's a light touch, specifically designed not to get too deep into the case. But I'm too narcissistic to let that slip by when I put some work into presenting an argument against G-man, so I pestered nutella until she talked about it. Her default stance was "I don't see the case" and thus Sloonei's insistence on the case became oppositional to her, and that turned into me being fake.
I actually might be inclined to say that the exchange is a bad look for G-man, or I can at least make that argument. Whether or not I believe in it is a different matter. But it goes like this: nutella did not want to talk about G-man, thus her initial responses were all non-receptive to the case I was making. She was not disagreeing with me or engaging on a level that would prompt direct discussion of G-man himself: she was outright ignoring any parts of the argument which related to G-man. When that eventually became impossible she sheepishly agreed to one part but turned immediately to a more minor issue and harped on that as a point of contention. Then the exchange ended.
That does not need to be the case and it's entirely possible G-man is an innocent bystander caught in the crossfire.
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SUMMARY: "One of tony/jack or speedchuck is bad" has been my hot take throughout and I'm interested in pursuing that.
Turnip Head has the most head-scratchability in here, but this was a one-sided view of that potential pairing and there was absolutely nothing conclusive.
The exchange between nutella and I last night was tethered to G-man, but I'm unsure how relevant he really was to the progression. He remains a viable suspect to begin the day, but I would not take that to the bank. I think I'll plop a vote on him anyway since that's where my heart currently lies and linkitis tells me that jack just received a vote and he'd be my second choice.
Folks like DDL and dunya were incidentally present, but in such a way that I lean in their favor. I'm interested in hearing what others think of those early interactions between nutella and dunya.
I think MP looks alright early on.
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I'll also note that this response reminds me a tiny bit of nutella's initial response to dunya's vote, though that one was a little more subdued. My interpretation of each of those posts has been favorable for dunya, but I see room for alternative theories in all of them. I'd like to hear from others on these posts.
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I'll restate my hot take from before: one of tony or speedchuck is bad.
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I actually might be inclined to say that the exchange is a bad look for G-man, or I can at least make that argument. Whether or not I believe in it is a different matter. But it goes like this: nutella did not want to talk about G-man, thus her initial responses were all non-receptive to the case I was making. She was not disagreeing with me or engaging on a level that would prompt direct discussion of G-man himself: she was outright ignoring any parts of the argument which related to G-man. When that eventually became impossible she sheepishly agreed to one part but turned immediately to a more minor issue and harped on that as a point of contention. Then the exchange ended.
That does not need to be the case and it's entirely possible G-man is an innocent bystander caught in the crossfire.
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Turnip Head has the most head-scratchability in here, but this was a one-sided view of that potential pairing and there was absolutely nothing conclusive.
The exchange between nutella and I last night was tethered to G-man, but I'm unsure how relevant he really was to the progression. He remains a viable suspect to begin the day, but I would not take that to the bank. I think I'll plop a vote on him anyway since that's where my heart currently lies and linkitis tells me that jack just received a vote and he'd be my second choice.
Folks like DDL and dunya were incidentally present, but in such a way that I lean in their favor. I'm interested in hearing what others think of those early interactions between nutella and dunya.
I think MP looks alright early on.
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I'm not really sure. Jack is pretty much always in my 3-person POE.dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:12 pm MP, Sloonei, Gman and Turnip are my lock town reads.
speed I just town read for his efforts, though they haven't been a lot if posts, I see town voice behind his posts.
So my POE
JACK/ Tony
DDL
Russti
I'm not sure if we'd be working with 2 or 3 baddies but 3 is more likely. That's the pool of 3 I'll be looking at this phase.
What are everyone else's 3 person suspect pool look like now?
I would say you, Russ, and Sloonei are never in there. Beyond that, I need to do more thinking.
Linki with a giant thing I'll read after posting this, thanks Sloonei.
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Re: Banjo-Kazooie Mafia [Day 3]
Ignore my vote call at the end of the ISO post. I believe in dunya' dreams. [VOTE: tonyjackprime] aubergine
Also I'm willing to buy G-man's claim to have info right now.
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Quick update: Turnip Head never acknowledged this post, nor was there any follow up from nutella. But they did have this exchange:
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:20 pm Mac seems more interested in reading townies than finding scum
I've voted for him
Which... also resulted in nothing. I will place a vote on [VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine to highlight him as a suspect at the moment. I still believe in dunya's dream tell and would remain in favor of pursuing jacktony.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:26 pm Yeah I played against him in Assassin's Creed where I was bad and he was town, so I know exactly what he's capable of. He's just posting reads lists, that won't help him find baddies, it just makes him look like a fun guy.
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Nutella ISO, as promised:
nutella's posts are basically non-game-related early on, and her posts through D1 are basically all rhymes. Here's the first one of any substance:
Says MP looks good, and shades NANOOK and TH. Not sure what to make of it yet, will revisit with more context
Not directly nutella-related, but I came back to this because after dunya voted nutella she eventually responded to it. This is a super good read by dunya, and the first thing that looks town from her to me (beyond "other people say she seems fine"). It doesn't completely change my mind, but it definitely helps. nutella wasn't taking any other heat for this at the time, so it would be some pretty inspired distancing if they were teammates.
Then, nutella mega-waffles on dunya, and Epi calls it out. I think this is less alignment-indicative than dunya's original call-out, but if they're both bad, I do think it would've taken some very involved BTSC to plan ahead of time.
Says she "needs someone to vote other than MP (after townreading MP earlier in the day, mind you). In hindsight, this should have been a MASSIVE red flag. Also defends dunya after the mega-waffle, which should've been another red flag.
Says she felt bad about Sloonei but is coming around, and shades Epi.
Calls Mac as civ, shades TH #2. Calls TH out for going after Mac, based on......I guess I'd call this gut if nutella had been civ. Somewhat good look for TH in my opinion.
Shades NANOOK #2, in the same way she shaded TH the second time. Based on...feelings? Certainly possible nutella went after 2 people the same way when one was on her team and one wasn't, so I wouldn't be willing to town confirm TH based off of it, but generally positive.
D1, calls that both Mac and sig are civ. Seems she didn't want to be caught lynching a civ so parked her vote elsewhere. This post reminded me to go back and look at the D1 results again since we now know both top candidates were civ. Baddies must've been salivating. I want to go back and see if anyone pushed for a sig lynch on N1 (besides NANOOK), and look at any late votes on sig. I think weakly justified singleton votes could be fruitful too - anyone doing what nutella did here.
Shades Tony for being quiet on D1. I'd say good look for him. She ended up voting him in a later post, too.
Posts this right after the D1 lynch result. Looks good for TH in hindsight. Right before the lynch, Sloonei called that nutella was bad and Mac's teammate, and mentioned nutella's weird read of Tony. This one seems more plausible to do as teammates than what dunya did further up, but I still think it looks mildly good.
For the most part, this GTH wasn't as enlightening as I had hoped. All the scum reads are people she had shaded already, and the town reads are everyone else. The MP read stood out to me, since on D1 she initially expressed suspicion of him and then backed off and started defending him from TH. I do think that has the look of possible distancing, so bad look for MP. In a later post, Sloonei thought it was crazy that nutella read him town and dunya read him scum. Sloonei, I don't have the history behind you 3, so mind elaborating on why that was so mind-blowing for you?
Takes the sig vote, which would be the easy call as a baddie. More relevant for this analysis, this is the first time nutella mentions G-Man in the game, outside of her GTH town read on him, which she never elaborated on. Claims not to understand the case on him.
In hindsight, another big red flag I missed. Said Sloonei had been productive, despite saying she didn't understand nor believe his case on G-Man.
Reiterating without adding anything tangible to G-Man's defense.
Weird, because nutella actually gave 5 scum reads in her GTH. Obviously just playing non-commital, which makes me think there's at least one baddie in her scum reads from N1. That would've been a good opportunity to lightly bus without actually building any kind of case that would put a teammate at risk. Also says "one of TH and DDL" is bad without expressing any kind of preference between the two. Given her previous shade of TH and her GTH reads, this actually makes me more confused about him. If I don't see any other posts by her mentioning him, I could see it being a bus. Would greatly appreciate others' input on that. I do think DDL's suspicion is a good look for him, because he was the first person after Sloonei to really be going at her. I have trouble seeing the angle where Sloonei and DDL coordinate to bus a teamie nutella with no other suspicion on her, in a game where D1 and D2 were handed to them.
Then she spends 5-6 posts defending G-Man from Sloonei. I won't quote them all here, but it ends with this:
This post is what convinces me firmly that Sloon is town. No way they bus this hard as teammates.
Defends NANOOK. This is the only one of her last 10-ish posts spent talking about anything but Sloonei and G-Man. I think this explains the NANOOK NK despite the heat he was taking for the sig mislynch. nutella may have seen it as a way to build civ cred, like when she parked her vote away from the major trains D1 and called both Mac and sig town. Calling her shots, so to speak.
Sounds defensive here, like she knew Sloonei wasn't going to let it go and was worried D3 would be bad for her.
tl;dr
In conclusion: nutella was bad.
But seriously, here's what I get out of it.
Sloonei looks super town, and I can't see a series of events that would lead me to vote for him in the next few days. I also think DDL comes out of it looking pretty solid, albeit to a slightly lesser extent. I also think the D1 interactions look good for TH and dunya. I wouldn't vote TH today, and although I'm not willing yet to completely drop my dunya suspicion, but I probably wouldn't vote her today either.
I think MP is a possible bussing candidate here, so not great for him, and it looks absolutely terrible for G-Man. nutella spent nearly 20% of her posts defending him but never added anything substantive to the discussion.
One further thing worth discussing/looking into: since we now know the D1 lynch was civ/civ, where do people think the baddie votes are? nutella parked hers on an-off wagon; do we think the others did the same to lie low?
I am now le tired and probably will not read until tomorrow.
Linki: wow people are reading the same stuff as me and reaching exactly opposite conclusions. G-Man claiming info has dunya and TH reading him lock town, the day after they both thought NANOOK looked bad for infodumping. Sloonei thinks the nutella ISO looks good for MP. And this is just as my opinion on all 3 of you went up by reading this. I am so confused now....
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Which honestly, at this point in D1, fair. Not sure what to make of it.
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Then she spends 5-6 posts defending G-Man from Sloonei. I won't quote them all here, but it ends with this:
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tl;dr
In conclusion: nutella was bad.
But seriously, here's what I get out of it.
Sloonei looks super town, and I can't see a series of events that would lead me to vote for him in the next few days. I also think DDL comes out of it looking pretty solid, albeit to a slightly lesser extent. I also think the D1 interactions look good for TH and dunya. I wouldn't vote TH today, and although I'm not willing yet to completely drop my dunya suspicion, but I probably wouldn't vote her today either.
I think MP is a possible bussing candidate here, so not great for him, and it looks absolutely terrible for G-Man. nutella spent nearly 20% of her posts defending him but never added anything substantive to the discussion.
One further thing worth discussing/looking into: since we now know the D1 lynch was civ/civ, where do people think the baddie votes are? nutella parked hers on an-off wagon; do we think the others did the same to lie low?
I am now le tired and probably will not read until tomorrow.
Linki: wow people are reading the same stuff as me and reaching exactly opposite conclusions. G-Man claiming info has dunya and TH reading him lock town, the day after they both thought NANOOK looked bad for infodumping. Sloonei thinks the nutella ISO looks good for MP. And this is just as my opinion on all 3 of you went up by reading this. I am so confused now....
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Last night I had a dream
It involved a flying penguin
And playing a mafia game with the team
Which we would win
In it jack was bad
He was caught red handed
It was so sad
But next phase he was dead
I am now in bed
Going over my pool
Of suspects in my head
Aren't i so cool?
We got 48 hours to get this right
I see sloonei did the hard work
But that's enough from me tonight
So I'll just sit and lurk
I need 4 more rhymes
To get my plus five today
Oh my, look at the times
Good night sweet dreams I say
Last night I had a dream
It involved a flying penguin
And playing a mafia game with the team
Which we would win
In it jack was bad
He was caught red handed
It was so sad
But next phase he was dead
I am now in bed
Going over my pool
Of suspects in my head
Aren't i so cool?
We got 48 hours to get this right
I see sloonei did the hard work
But that's enough from me tonight
So I'll just sit and lurk
I need 4 more rhymes
To get my plus five today
Oh my, look at the times
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Yes, gman lock town. Look at nutellas role "you will be told who targeted that player that night if anyone."
GMAN knows who shot nutella. There isnt 2 similar scum roles on the sane team. I give Jay way more credit than that plus it would be weird. It makes sense for town to have a similar counter balance role though.
No doubt in my mind G is town. Big difference between his claim and nanooks.
GMAN knows who shot nutella. There isnt 2 similar scum roles on the sane team. I give Jay way more credit than that plus it would be weird. It makes sense for town to have a similar counter balance role though.
No doubt in my mind G is town. Big difference between his claim and nanooks.
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[mention]Russtifinko[/mention] we seem to disagree in one key area: you think MP is the prime bussing candidate in nutella's ISO, whereas I came out feeling like Turnip Head is the more likely candidate. If you had to summarize each your reads on those two in a few sentences, what would you say? What are the most important points to you?
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Turnip is genuine town. No way they are scum. I'll bet my goat on it. Town pouring from every side.
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I don't understand what you think happened here.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:33 pm Quick update: Turnip Head never acknowledged this post, nor was there any follow up from nutella. But they did have this exchange:
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:20 pm Mac seems more interested in reading townies than finding scum
I've voted for himWhich... also resulted in nothing. I will place a vote on [VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine to highlight him as a suspect at the moment. I still believe in dunya's dream tell and would remain in favor of pursuing jacktony.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:26 pm Yeah I played against him in Assassin's Creed where I was bad and he was town, so I know exactly what he's capable of. He's just posting reads lists, that won't help him find baddies, it just makes him look like a fun guy.
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Lol russ and I both said that nutella’s “I need someone else to vote for” comment should have been a red flag in hindsight. But we drew different conclusions from that.
If it weren’t for my nutella ISO I’d have TH as a firm town read.
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The theory is that you two are partners and are doing a fake distancing dance right here. There are some jabs that look serious but go nowhere.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:56 pmI don't understand what you think happened here.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:33 pm Quick update: Turnip Head never acknowledged this post, nor was there any follow up from nutella. But they did have this exchange:
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:20 pm Mac seems more interested in reading townies than finding scum
I've voted for himWhich... also resulted in nothing. I will place a vote on [VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine to highlight him as a suspect at the moment. I still believe in dunya's dream tell and would remain in favor of pursuing jacktony.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:26 pm Yeah I played against him in Assassin's Creed where I was bad and he was town, so I know exactly what he's capable of. He's just posting reads lists, that won't help him find baddies, it just makes him look like a fun guy.
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On the nutella/Gman thing, I can see nutella having been caught having to justify a read she didn't actually have, so she doubled down on it in order to avoid contradicting herself. She hadn't given it any thought before, so now she had to make shit up on the fly. That's how Gman could be town from this exchange.
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Definitely. Don't mistake my bundle of wordsDragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 10:01 pm On the nutella/Gman thing, I can see nutella having been caught having to justify a read she didn't actually have, so she doubled down on it in order to avoid contradicting herself. She hadn't given it any thought before, so now she had to make shit up on the fly. That's how Gman could be town from this exchange.
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What if this is just scum Gman making shit updunya wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:47 pm Yes, gman lock town. Look at nutellas role "you will be told who targeted that player that night if anyone."
GMAN knows who shot nutella. There isnt 2 similar scum roles on the sane team. I give Jay way more credit than that plus it would be weird. It makes sense for town to have a similar counter balance role though.
No doubt in my mind G is town. Big difference between his claim and nanooks.
He hasn't revealed who the vig is has he
Though if claims do you think that would work as a confirmation?
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Hmmm. Well, that's not what happened.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:58 pmThe theory is that you two are partners and are doing a fake distancing dance right here. There are some jabs that look serious but go nowhere.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:56 pmI don't understand what you think happened here.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:33 pm Quick update: Turnip Head never acknowledged this post, nor was there any follow up from nutella. But they did have this exchange:
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:20 pm Mac seems more interested in reading townies than finding scum
I've voted for himWhich... also resulted in nothing. I will place a vote on [VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine to highlight him as a suspect at the moment. I still believe in dunya's dream tell and would remain in favor of pursuing jacktony.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:26 pm Yeah I played against him in Assassin's Creed where I was bad and he was town, so I know exactly what he's capable of. He's just posting reads lists, that won't help him find baddies, it just makes him look like a fun guy.
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Wrong reads flipping via nk is good.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 6:00 pm Night 2 has ended.
Time to go four eyes
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Watch how little Tooty cries
Try again in the next poll!
Wait, what's that I see?
It's an egg headed right for me!
Not again, this cannot be
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Lol I never dream about you. Maybe vote for people you aren't obsessed with and who can you know, actually answer your questions about the actions that they actually did.
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I agree with Dunya's reason for townreading GMan. In theory, a scum player could just say those things but he reads like a townie excited to share info and I doubt he'd just make something up. Not his style.
Aaaaand I townread TH early on.
Aaaaand I townread TH early on.
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You just crossed off the two most viable alternatives to yourself imo. Who do we lynch today, jackie boy?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 11:42 pm I agree with Dunya's reason for townreading GMan. In theory, a scum player could just say those things but he reads like a townie excited to share info and I doubt he'd just make something up. Not his style.
Aaaaand I townread TH early on.
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Yeah no shit.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 12:30 amYou just crossed off the two most viable alternatives to yourself imo. Who do we lynch today, jackie boy?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 11:42 pm I agree with Dunya's reason for townreading GMan. In theory, a scum player could just say those things but he reads like a townie excited to share info and I doubt he'd just make something up. Not his style.
Aaaaand I townread TH early on.
Fuckifiknow. I’m not caught up.
Wasn’t Speed’s name being thrown around? Granted, I’ve read like 2 of his posts and shouldn’t advocate lynching someone I’m pretty good at reading until I actually read him, either.
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speed’s viable for the same reason your slot is: lack of content. I’m interested in the MP theory, for whatever that’s worth. I could see him being pretty well concealed at this point.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 12:48 amYeah no shit.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 12:30 amYou just crossed off the two most viable alternatives to yourself imo. Who do we lynch today, jackie boy?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 11:42 pm I agree with Dunya's reason for townreading GMan. In theory, a scum player could just say those things but he reads like a townie excited to share info and I doubt he'd just make something up. Not his style.
Aaaaand I townread TH early on.
Fuckifiknow. I’m not caught up.
Wasn’t Speed’s name being thrown around? Granted, I’ve read like 2 of his posts and shouldn’t advocate lynching someone I’m pretty good at reading until I actually read him, either.
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With 4 lynches left we are looking for a PoE of 4.
I think mine is Jack, Speed, MP and TH, in no specific order.
Dunya and Russ have felt civ all game, Sloonei is feeling civ lately since he started to lead the thread, and I think I like Gman's claim.
I think mine is Jack, Speed, MP and TH, in no specific order.
Dunya and Russ have felt civ all game, Sloonei is feeling civ lately since he started to lead the thread, and I think I like Gman's claim.
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If there is a doctor in this setup they should protect Gman, imo.
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Can we do me later in the POE since I'm so fun and have a good avatar and am town?
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After looking back at his ISO I think I gave him too much credit before.
MP's ISO is concise and littered with clues. It's not a bad read if anyone wants to ISO him out and see what he's been up to so far, but I want to highlight my findings.
Point #1:
Freudian slip much? I added my own emphases in the above post where MP responds to nutella. nut asked him about his Nanook and Turnip reads. The "them" in particular feels like a baddie mindset slip where MP is responding to a teammate about how he plans to deal with the opposing team, as in us the civvies. Them.
Point #2:
Here we have MP giving a dissertation on a townread of Sloonei. It reads like that time nutella defended a townread of G-Man, I see a lot of similarities in the way they handled explaining their town reads with what feels like TMI. I think this scum team had a hard time driving discussion on townies they could try to lynch. Especially since we did such a good job of attacking each other for them. When townies fight each other hard, so hard so hard like to the death, sometimes when that happens, the baddies don't know where to even utilize their skills, so sometimes they default to explaining their "town reads" lol. Or asking townies to explain their scum reads, since as baddies they might not really understand those incorrect reads. I think that's what MP has been doing all game.
Point #3:
In this post, MP asks some softball questions and tries to hang out with a bunch of now-confirmed civs (a list that includes Mac and Epi for starters). This post is straight buddying, trying to get on a bunch of player's good sides without throwing out any accusations.
Note the bottom of the post where he cares to point out dunya's spicy hot take but does not give an opinion on the hot take, so why did he mention it? MP also says he feels like this game is in hard mode, which makes sense if he's a baddie whose inclination is to buddy up with the civs instead of fake some reads against them.
Throughout all of this I find a distinct lack of baddie hunting from M Plus 7; he doesn't give a lot of negative opinions or cast doubt or anything like that, I feel like he has been playing it very safe from a baddie perspective, while as town we have all been quite loud in sharing our negative opinions of each other and hopefully the bad guys.
The lone exception is his tiff with sig to start the game, which either way you look at it feels kinda squicky, especially one time in MP's iso where MP says he will lynch sig every game Day 1 if sig doesn't stop attacking him. 0_0 And that fight with sig, wanting to lynch him Day 1, was not based on a scumread of sig, but rather the simple fact that sig was playing in a way MP didn't like. Note the difference there, MP didn't want to lynch sig because he thought sig was bad, he just didn't like how sig was playing. But I'm not really super concerned about that. Despite his sig argument, MP hasn't really done anything that looks very townie to me.
After looking back at his ISO I think I gave him too much credit before.
MP's ISO is concise and littered with clues. It's not a bad read if anyone wants to ISO him out and see what he's been up to so far, but I want to highlight my findings.
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Note the bottom of the post where he cares to point out dunya's spicy hot take but does not give an opinion on the hot take, so why did he mention it? MP also says he feels like this game is in hard mode, which makes sense if he's a baddie whose inclination is to buddy up with the civs instead of fake some reads against them.
Throughout all of this I find a distinct lack of baddie hunting from M Plus 7; he doesn't give a lot of negative opinions or cast doubt or anything like that, I feel like he has been playing it very safe from a baddie perspective, while as town we have all been quite loud in sharing our negative opinions of each other and hopefully the bad guys.
The lone exception is his tiff with sig to start the game, which either way you look at it feels kinda squicky, especially one time in MP's iso where MP says he will lynch sig every game Day 1 if sig doesn't stop attacking him. 0_0 And that fight with sig, wanting to lynch him Day 1, was not based on a scumread of sig, but rather the simple fact that sig was playing in a way MP didn't like. Note the difference there, MP didn't want to lynch sig because he thought sig was bad, he just didn't like how sig was playing. But I'm not really super concerned about that. Despite his sig argument, MP hasn't really done anything that looks very townie to me.
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[mention]G-Man[/mention] I think you should probably claim your result. The benefits of confirming both you and the person who vigged nutella at this stage of the game (with mafia only having 3 kills left) probably enclipse the possible benefits of trying to make a later claim. I'm thinking you probably won't have that chance yourself anyway, since this mafia seems to have cop paranoia.
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you forgot to add speedchuck. he was coupled in with G-Man in mac's suspect pool. i would laugh we were all town, but i guess that one i trust least out those names is speedchuck.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:15 pm Wholesale support for Mac's day 1 reads. It's probably more accurate to read this as (phony) support of the effort from MacDougall, but if we mine it for more clues, we get support of the following list of suspects: Turnip Head, Epignosis, Nanook, MP, dunya, and G-man. I do not think that all of them need to be town, but nutella might be more resistant (at least, less openly supportive) if the list was threatening to her or her team.
to me this is more of a case of "buddying dunya" than it is "suspecting turnip", so i don't see it as a bus or distancing tactic.
eh, i take role claims with a grain of salt since mafia may have fake roles they can claim. indeed nutella's role didn't even need a fake role claim, her role could be a civ one.
no he doesn't. there's a vig who have proven themselves and they can claim whenever they want to, without gman outing them. gman can absolutely take it to his grave.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 8:52 pm G-Man looks good imo, as for his info I only request that he doesn't take his info to the grave since he's now a target. Sloonei also looks good.
i still think tony/speed look worst out of nutella's iso. i get the TH suspicion more now though and i'll keep an open mind about that when isoing them.
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Re: Banjo-Kazooie Mafia [Day 3]
nanook was clearly not a cop. there are no benefits for gman to out the other person. this is an open role claim game, they can role claim when THEY want. why would you put another vig shot at risk?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 9:57 am @G-Man I think you should probably claim your result. The benefits of confirming both you and the person who vigged nutella at this stage of the game (with mafia only having 3 kills left) probably enclipse the possible benefits of trying to make a later claim. I'm thinking you probably won't have that chance yourself anyway, since this mafia seems to have cop paranoia.
[mention]G-Man[/mention] no one suspects your claim, so please don't out the person in a game where they can role claim when THEY want.
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Re: Banjo-Kazooie Mafia [Day 3]
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Re: Banjo-Kazooie Mafia [Day 3]
I'm not saying nanook was a cop, I'm saying this particular mafia mostly likely killed him to get rid of what seemed to be a cop.