Fleabag Mafia mafia win

[Dyslexicon]

Actually

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Ilario, Sloon, Jimmay, Anarch, SPF - Town.

[Dyslexicon]

And by the way, the post you're referring to isn't the one I responded to

Oh ok. Well, never mind me. I'm just compulsively butting in.

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Good night. ^^

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@TonyStarkPrime

You called sig obvious town when he had made four posts. That’s hard to believe on its own power. I can conceive of a reality where you believe that though.

You also shaded me for not having the same view of sig — as though I had failed some simple test by including a four poster in my POE pool. That is even harder to believe and frankly ludicrous.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How arrogant would I be to theorize that Tony and sig are both mafia and we’re already seeing frantic resistance to a closed box?

[Sloonei]

Sloonei, that post got me thinkin' and now I'm kinda wonderin'... Are you sayin' you think this dialogue between me and sig could be town/town?

I am making no comment on either of your alignments.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

at least two people below your poe line are reasonably clearly town which does not inspire confidence (falcon's a question mark tbh he has three posts)

Who and why?

me and sig where sig is town because he's doing sig things and you ought to know better than to say otherwise and i'm town because you also ought to know better

I’m sorry but I can’t take this post seriously.

I will leave others to judge who aren’t infected by my own bias.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

at least two people below your poe line are reasonably clearly town which does not inspire confidence (falcon's a question mark tbh he has three posts)

Who and why?

me and sig where sig is town because he's doing sig things and you ought to know better than to say otherwise and i'm town because you also ought to know better

I’m sorry but I can’t take this post seriously.

I will leave others to judge who aren’t infected by my own bias.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

SPF’s time-based take on sig looks authentic.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime

You called sig obvious town when he had made four posts. That’s hard to believe on its own power. I can conceive of a reality where you believe that though.

You also shaded me for not having the same view of sig — as though I had failed some simple test by including a four poster in my POE pool. That is even harder to believe and frankly ludicrous.

yeah that was stupid

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Why does a strategic disagreement about a claim make Son of Anarch mafia? You can dislike it, but why do you distrust it?

[TonyStarkPrime]

How arrogant would I be to theorize that Tony and sig are both mafia and we’re already seeing frantic resistance to a closed box?

slightly more arrogant than me saying that you don't see that sig is obvious town based off 4 posts of which 3 are scummy is bad

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Exercise for all:

Please tell me how many mafia are contained in the set of zero posters?

[Dolby, G-Man, Johanna]

[TonyStarkPrime]

1

[Sloonei]

One with the potential for two. If it's three we don't have a real game.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

No good reason, I just don't like all the votes on sig and feel like Marmot can get some attention too.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think 2 is very plausible. Vegas is placing the line at 1.0 though.

I am going to be unavailable tomorrow. Maybe I can sneak in here and there, but it won’t be much. I’m attending the Bengals game and doing a bunch of driving.

[Lime Coke]

I think 2 is very plausible. Vegas is placing the line at 1.0 though.

I am going to be unavailable tomorrow. Maybe I can sneak in here and there, but it won’t be much. I’m attending the Bengals game and doing a bunch of driving.

You typically do 1.5 in order to avoid ties. That way you get a straight forward "Over/Under" line.

Which at that point I take the under.

It could a 0 poster, 2 low posters, and 1 normal quantity poster that's losing their mind about the other 3 not pulling their weight.

I'm not a good mafia player, but I play one on TV.

[Lime Coke]

So the last page was SoA vs Sig which I kind of see looking better for SoA based on Sig's weird mis-informed defense.

I saw the stuff with TSP and JJJ. Overall not sure what to think of TSP. He's meme'y which was kind of what he was in Buckets, which he was town there.

I think my town list remains how it was, I didn't pick up anything new, but nothing fell off or made me question anything. So I'm fine read wise.

[ilario]

I did not love his responses to my questions on the previous page, but that is nothing solid. His initial reference to Axehole as someone he had not read struck me as odd, and his response(s) seemed to branch off in ways that felt nervous.

It could be. Right now, I'm feeling he is happy town sorting, though it could be just an act of course, or worse, the consensus reads are not great. I remember finding his caution for reading Ilario town a bit odd, though it made more sense with what I perceive to be history between them.

Do you have an opinion on Jimmay's read list, which is basically also my read list tbh

I have no qualms with the top tier.

Really? You seemed skeptical about the reads on me. What changed?

[ilario]

I tried to search up slooneis iso to see if I missed something that would answer my own question but I don’t see the iso tags anywhere this game? Is that part of the setup ? Or am I just not looking properly

[Sloonei]

I did not love his responses to my questions on the previous page, but that is nothing solid. His initial reference to Axehole as someone he had not read struck me as odd, and his response(s) seemed to branch off in ways that felt nervous.

It could be. Right now, I'm feeling he is happy town sorting, though it could be just an act of course, or worse, the consensus reads are not great. I remember finding his caution for reading Ilario town a bit odd, though it made more sense with what I perceive to be history between them.

Do you have an opinion on Jimmay's read list, which is basically also my read list tbh

I have no qualms with the top tier.

Really? You seemed skeptical about the reads on me. What changed?

Skeptical is not the right word. People were asserting strong town reads on you and I did not understand why. I had no suspicion, I just wanted clarification.

[Sloonei]

I tried to search up slooneis iso to see if I missed something that would answer my own question but I don’t see the iso tags anywhere this game? Is that part of the setup ? Or am I just not looking properly

No one has compiled ISO links yet, but you can access them manually on the left hand side of the page, underneath the player's avatar.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

NAA is probably town. Swap him with Marmot on my list.

[ilario]

@ilario you can talk about the other game now

Lmao I forgot what I wanted to say

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I guess I’ll get ISO links. I guess.

[ilario]

Sig is our resident mischop bait on the Syndicate, for those who are new here. Or... he was as of a year ago. I really haven't been around much lately.

I have never played with him but my impression of him based on nothing at all but a whim is that he’s the type of player that likes to go against the grain as town and is more conformist as mafia? He’s giving me those kinda vibes, especially with your description of him being mischop bait

[ilario]

How arrogant would I be to theorize that Tony and sig are both mafia and we’re already seeing frantic resistance to a closed box?

If tony is mafia I’d probably lean on sig being town

[ilario]

Sigs initial reaction to spfs note about his timing felt scummy to me and so did his first initial entry into the game.

Though in his spout with soa I saw glimpses of towny frustration

So yeah I’m not sure what my read is on this slot atm

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How arrogant would I be to theorize that Tony and sig are both mafia and we’re already seeing frantic resistance to a closed box?

If tony is mafia I’d probably lean on sig being town

Could be. If I were doing interaction analyses though I wouldn't separate them at all. This is getting ahead of ourselves anyway so no matter.

[ilario]

Exercise for all:

Please tell me how many mafia are contained in the set of zero posters?

[Dolby, G-Man, Johanna]

I’ll know the answer once they start posting

[ilario]

Exercise for all:

Please tell me how many mafia are contained in the set of zero posters?

[Dolby, G-Man, Johanna]

I’ll know the answer once they start posting

Lol I felt so towny writing that answer out

I wonder if wolf me would have thought of that

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nanook
juliets
Syn

Dolby
Dyslexicon
falcon45ca
G-Man
ilario
JaggedJimmyJay
Johanna
Lime Coke
Marmot
NotAnAxehole
sig
Sloonei
Son of Anarch
staypositivefriend
TonyStarkPrime

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME if you want them

[ilario]

I tried to search up slooneis iso to see if I missed something that would answer my own question but I don’t see the iso tags anywhere this game? Is that part of the setup ? Or am I just not looking properly

No one has compiled ISO links yet, but you can access them manually on the left hand side of the page, underneath the player's avatar.

ooooooooo tyty

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

Your line of logic sig is that anyone who disagrees with or finds a scum read on them scummy must be scummy because "omgus". I don't think that's how any of this works.

Nah see the logic is you finding a scum read is scummy based off the posts I’ve read and your reasoning. Trying to frame it as me saying everyone is a false narrative which you’re trying to create to get me lynched which basically stems from the fact your salty i don’t think your outing idea is pro town what do ever.

This doesn't look like a player interested in sorting the motivations of Son of Anarch. It looks like a player dictating a viewpoint as though it's already obvious (it shouldn't be).

Separate note: it is true that in the increasingly distant past sig was often a mistaken Day 1 elimination on The Syndicate. I don't really think that's relevant anymore and it has no bearing in my view of or treatment of sig in this game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

These posts in particular are what I'm talking about, feels like Ilario is playin' a soft cuddly game

Is being soft and/or cuddly alignment-indicative? Please elaborate.

[ilario]

Fwiw I think it’s a dangerous road to go down if we already expect the zero posters to be scum heavy, or set an expectation that there’s a high number of scum in the zero posters. Whilst I feel good about the towncore atm the best indicator of that we are going astray would be if the zero posters come in and start towntelling. But I feel as though if we already have an arbitrary expectation that the zero posters will be scum heavy then we set ourselves to a bias and almost predispose ourselves to finding them more scummy than they actually might be once they do start speaking. I think if you approach someone with the mentality of thinking they’re likely to be scum then you’re more likely to misread them.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Fwiw I think it’s a dangerous road to go down if we already expect the zero posters to be scum heavy, or set an expectation that there’s a high number of scum in the zero posters. Whilst I feel good about the towncore atm the best indicator of that we are going astray would be if the zero posters come in and start towntelling. But I feel as though if we already have an arbitrary expectation that the zero posters will be scum heavy then we set ourselves to a bias and almost predispose ourselves to finding them more scummy than they actually might be once they do start speaking. I think if you approach someone with the mentality of thinking they’re likely to be scum then you’re more likely to misread them.

I don't fault you for feeling that way.

I'm not worried. It's a pretty common phenomenon in a POE approach given that zero-posters are never leaving that space without making posts. Once they arrive they will get their fair shake. Indeed their perspectives will be of critical importance. Finding the town among them is extremely important to sort out the remainder of the game, especially if two or three of them are town -- that's our first and best indicator that something elsewhere in the consensus may be awry.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

NAA is probably town. Swap him with Marmot on my list.

Meh I should probably elevate the standard here. His general approach (NAA's) is familiar enough relative to what I saw in Bonk Mafia. His vote for me doesn't reflect positive momentum though so he can continue to earn his town read however it is he goes about doing that.

[falcon45ca]

These posts in particular are what I'm talking about, feels like Ilario is playin' a soft cuddly game

Is being soft and/or cuddly alignment-indicative? Please elaborate.

Yes.


Maf are less likely to try and make waves and push players, as they'd like to remain as inconspicuous as possible.


Soft & cuddly is less likely to draw negative attention, which Maf are trying to avoid.


But I feel like you know this already

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yes.

Maf are less likely to try and make waves and push players, as they'd like to remain as inconspicuous as possible.

Soft & cuddly is less likely to draw negative attention, which Maf are trying to avoid.

But I feel like you know this already

I think all of those things tend to depend on personality more than on alignment. They're probably true in some cases. Do you have any new views of the game?

[falcon45ca]

5.5 town reads less than 12 hours into the game, eh?

U mad about my town reads? Y

Cuz TR's should be earned, not thrown about like candy at a kid's birthday party.

Who is not earning their town reads?
Last game we played, I was impressed by your reads tbh. This game, I am not vibing with them much. Would maybe help if you could explain the connection you see between your suspicions, if there are any?

What are you talking about? How are you moving from my dislike of a plethora of TRs on D1, to my reads and the connections between my SRs? It's D1, I'm not making connections between my SRs, that's a fools errand at this stage.


Since when have I had impressive reads?

[falcon45ca]

Sig's defensive reaction ain't good... Kinda yikes if ya ask me.

Redundant. If it ain't good, you don't need to also tell us it's yikes.


Why do I feel you're trying to sell me something?

[falcon45ca]

Sig's defensive reaction ain't good... Kinda yikes if ya ask me.

Redundant. If it ain't good, you don't need to also tell us it's yikes.


Why do I feel you're trying to sell me something?

[falcon45ca]

Also I'm thinkin' there's probably a scum in the 0-posters. Not sure if mafia the syndicate is the same, but on mafia scum a ton of folk hate randin' mafia to the point where they'll barely post. It can get pretty annoyin' and well... we've got three guys here not speakin' and I don't feel super bamboozled yet. I think I'm gonna make an enemy out of anyone who comes into the thread now.

Pushing low posters D1? Never seen scum do that before...

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well falcon's posts certainly bear his typical town personality. Trust no one. I am not terribly confident that this is a good reason to call him town, but at the very least he looks familiar.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The reason I'd stated interest in voting for LC was that when I first joined the thread, you'd been pretty quick in responding to my posts, but took much longer to respond to my question asking about scumreads. But I also see that you were interacting with someone else, and your response is agreeable in the sense that I believe what you said, so I'm willing to walk that back for now.

This seems to me to be the most "readable" (as in, for alignment) sentence in Marmot's posts so far. My initial interpretation was that it was a decent process. Upon revisiting I am less moved given that it results in suspicion (of Lime Coke) being converted to the absence of a read.

Marmot ought to be in the POE pool I think.

[G-Man]

@Johanna @Dolby @G-Man just a friendly nudge.

Take your friendly nudge and kindly sit on it my good sir. I told you all in the sign-up thread that I would miss yesterday and today.

It seems I have much to catch up on. My brain is fried though, so it will have to wait for tomorrow.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

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