Fleabag Mafia mafia win

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dyslexicon
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ilario
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:43 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:42 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:38 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:26 pm Is coffee the most advertised (free advertising) addictive substance on the market?

I think it is. Everywhere you go people tell you about their addiction regardless of time of day, or activity.

I've had my coffee
Haven't had my coffee
Not enough coffee
I need more coffee
Can I have coffee this late in the day?

It's crazy.
No, sex is.
Most people don't talk about sex.
On the internet?



I think you're mistaken there. Big mistake. Huge.
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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There's common ground between Falcon and Lime Coke in that they both sus ilario throughout the game so far. They reach their suspicions independently, however. Falcon latches onto ilario from the get-go because of 'cuddly' qualities. Am I to assume that they have experience together in prior games?

This looks to be the first time Falcon interacts with Lime Coke:
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Lime Coke wrote: Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:37 pm Sloonei
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Dizzy

Any questions?
Yeah, why?
Not much, and that could cut either way as a 'not much' post.

Falcon gives a TR to Sig when the heat was mounting and ends up sticking with ilario with his vote. I called his content fluffy earlier and I stand by that. His vote on ilario feels soft too.

Here are his trustfall comments:
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falcon45ca wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:24 pm Dolby - I tend to jump quickly on top of things that I don't like in game play, like his "haven't been able to catch up", and I'm wrong far more often than I'm right.

Dyslexicon - Has pushed the game forward and isn't afraid to engage and discuss with players.

G-Man - I can't actually think of much, other than being a low poster doesn't necessarily make one Maf

ilario - Again, could be that I'm tunneling and focusing too much on idiosyncrasies that I tend to scum read

JaggedJimmyJay - Probably has done more good for the town & thread health than I'd like to admit

Johanna - Comes across as earnestly trying to solve for town

Lime Coke - Seems in their town meta as far as I know their town meta

Marmot - Activity D2 has been of the solvey type I expect from town Marmot. He spins his tires more as Maf IMO

NotAnAxehole - Has a straightforward approach that doesn't feel agenda-y, seems direct and trying to solve rather than muddy waters.

Sloonei - See above. Different approach, but the motivation feels the same

Son of Anarch - Doesn't come across as overly wary or shy about approaching the game & giving reads.

TonyStarkPrime - Is in his town meta as far as I know and expect from it
His reason to trust ilario is not something that ilario has done, but rather his own bias. Isn't that not how the trustfall was supposed to work? Also, his Lime Coke assessment is also very soft. Both of these have a sort of built-in defense about them that can be utilized later.


Here he even inserts ilario into Lime Coke's slot to modify a potential solve:
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:52 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:46 pm Thanks for doing those everyone.

@falcon45ca, how do you feel about the solve I proposed? From your perspective only one of the possible teams can be correct.
I'm sorry, what's the solve?
From this
and this

I determined the mafia team must be either:

Dolby, G-Man, Lime Coke, falcon
or
Dolby, G-Man, Lime Coke, Son of Anarch
Oh ok.

I don't think LC is Maf, doesn't feel right, ditto SOA. I'd put ilario in their spot Otherwise this is a POE I can work with.
Is there anything in light of today's events that shook Lime Coke's view of ilario that may have changed Falcon's view as well? I'd like to know.


Overall, I can see potential breadcrumbs from Falcon to Lime Coke. It's not as distinct as what I see in the other direction. If Lime Coke flips mafia, Falcon's ISO will need parsed again.

I'm going to [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine at the moment to keep things spicy. I don't like that this means I am voting alongside Lime Coke, but I think he's just stuck there.
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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TSP
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Johanna - having played with Jo in dozens of games, and given that she isn't a fish out of water rn, I'm pretty confident in her confidence
Ilario - can explain more but something just tells me this isn't scum

idk who my next two town would be but they don't have the same level of confidence as the above
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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I'm considering lauching a crusade against JJJ lol
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Remind me never to join a game with such short phases again hahaha
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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I feel kinda bad for not being able to contribute as much as I normally would be able to and I'm not sure that'll change until there's less posts/less people sadly
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Johanna wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:40 pm [VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Son of Anarch wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:23 pmshort
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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I still don't know what to do and if you're going to use up a ML might as well use it on me.

My guess is that Falcon is mafia. That's relatively it.
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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This mainly comes down to that I think that the "low posters" have a good chance of being pure, and he's kinda set up to chainsaw us since d1. That's literally it. I guess he's been not cautious enough in townleaning people for me but it's a site meta thing.

Though I do kinda feel that a lot of his posts are trying to be townread through vibes

Someone talk to me about this
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Dolby wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:32 pm This mainly comes down to that I think that the "low posters" have a good chance of being pure, and he's kinda set up to chainsaw us since d1. That's literally it. I guess he's been not cautious enough in townleaning people for me but it's a site meta thing.

Though I do kinda feel that a lot of his posts are trying to be townread through vibes

Someone talk to me about this
Site meta is to kill of the same players repeatedly and claim that the result isn't RNG.

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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Let's kill Falcon though, that'll be fun.
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:34 pm
Dolby wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:32 pm This mainly comes down to that I think that the "low posters" have a good chance of being pure, and he's kinda set up to chainsaw us since d1. That's literally it. I guess he's been not cautious enough in townleaning people for me but it's a site meta thing.

Though I do kinda feel that a lot of his posts are trying to be townread through vibes

Someone talk to me about this
Site meta is to kill of the same players repeatedly and claim that the result isn't RNG.

R.I.P. Sig
I mean, a lot of people began hard townreading more people than I'm used to for that point in the game lol.

But I do think that JJJ's behavior if scum, today is a miss, and gman/Jo are pure is very well-aligned to the gamestate
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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I'd also like to point out that neither of the two ICs are voting Lime Coke :P
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Fuck it I'm just gonna do it

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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:34 pm
Dolby wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:32 pm This mainly comes down to that I think that the "low posters" have a good chance of being pure, and he's kinda set up to chainsaw us since d1. That's literally it. I guess he's been not cautious enough in townleaning people for me but it's a site meta thing.

Though I do kinda feel that a lot of his posts are trying to be townread through vibes

Someone talk to me about this
Site meta is to kill of the same players repeatedly and claim that the result isn't RNG.

R.I.P. Sig
Given what I'm seeing in the last few games...

I'm not surprised by this.
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:36 pm I'd also like to point out that neither of the two ICs are voting Lime Coke :P
this is intriguing and I should critically evaluate those slots

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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Lime Coke wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:34 pm
Dolby wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:32 pm This mainly comes down to that I think that the "low posters" have a good chance of being pure, and he's kinda set up to chainsaw us since d1. That's literally it. I guess he's been not cautious enough in townleaning people for me but it's a site meta thing.

Though I do kinda feel that a lot of his posts are trying to be townread through vibes

Someone talk to me about this
Site meta is to kill of the same players repeatedly and claim that the result isn't RNG.

R.I.P. Sig
Given what I'm seeing in the last few games...

I'm not surprised by this.
I even pointed out to Sloonei that he was trying to get Sig to do things outside of Sig's own town meta in order to potentially not vote him. Which is hilarious and ridiculous. It's not one player though, it's just how it is, creature last game... This game Sig... Previous game Made. As I understand these players get it early and often.
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:38 pm
Lime Coke wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:34 pm
Dolby wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:32 pm This mainly comes down to that I think that the "low posters" have a good chance of being pure, and he's kinda set up to chainsaw us since d1. That's literally it. I guess he's been not cautious enough in townleaning people for me but it's a site meta thing.

Though I do kinda feel that a lot of his posts are trying to be townread through vibes

Someone talk to me about this
Site meta is to kill of the same players repeatedly and claim that the result isn't RNG.

R.I.P. Sig
Given what I'm seeing in the last few games...

I'm not surprised by this.
I even pointed out to Sloonei that he was trying to get Sig to do things outside of Sig's own town meta in order to potentially not vote him. Which is hilarious and ridiculous. It's not one player though, it's just how it is, creature last game... This game Sig... Previous game Made. As I understand these players get it early and often.
It's kinda rough trying to read these individuals as a town player because the playstyle just naturally hurts them when there's much more active and prominent voices in the thread.

Also think it's roughly the same feeling every game of "I don't want to ML this player because they're good an it would be embarrassing if I killed a good town player." So the LHF's get blasted way more than them.

Which sucks to have but even I fall for it and I feel like it just hurts my game.
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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@Dolby I wouldn't go for JJJ, I find it very hard for him to be mafia. If you're looking to go against the grain, I would suggest Sloonei who could be mafia in a narrow world with any of G-Man, Johanna, Lime Coke, Marmot.
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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I would also kill Marmot
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:44 pm @Dolby I wouldn't go for JJJ, I find it very hard for him to be mafia. If you're looking to go against the grain, I would suggest Sloonei who could be mafia in a narrow world with any of G-Man, Johanna, Lime Coke, Marmot.
I just don't think it's Sloonei

I feel like I've seen more town moments from Sloonei, and he's the only one in the new triad who doesn't feel like they're setting up a chainsaw
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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@falcon45ca you were here a bit ago, what do your reads look like rn?
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Dolby wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:47 pm who doesn't feel like they're setting up a chainsaw
This is just how JJJ plays, and I agree with the playstyle from a town PoV.
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Like, JJJ has probs been the most visible person setting up to go for the lowposters and that ain't good
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:48 pm
Dolby wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:47 pm who doesn't feel like they're setting up a chainsaw
This is just how JJJ plays, and I agree with the playstyle from a town PoV.
fine

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Johanna voting me and not saying anything at all about me, especially with my catch up posts, is kinda scummy from her.

Like she acknowledged it but like...at least give some kind of opinion?
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Lime Coke wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:50 pm Johanna voting me and not saying anything at all about me, especially with my catch up posts, is kinda scummy from her.

Like she acknowledged it but like...at least give some kind of opinion?
Johanna is already pretty far out of scum meta imo.

Also sometimes she does just not interact with her SRs
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Lime Coke wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:50 pm Johanna voting me and not saying anything at all about me, especially with my catch up posts, is kinda scummy from her.

Like she acknowledged it but like...at least give some kind of opinion?
I think Johanna has been disproportionately town read by players in the PoE which isn't super amazing. I also haven't read a single post that contains a [spoiler tag, so I have no read on her other than my D1 inactivity read.
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Dolby wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:51 pm
Lime Coke wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:50 pm Johanna voting me and not saying anything at all about me, especially with my catch up posts, is kinda scummy from her.

Like she acknowledged it but like...at least give some kind of opinion?
Johanna is already pretty far out of scum meta imo.

Also sometimes she does just not interact with her SRs
Bleh, sounds like an attempt to make it look like she's distancing from another town player so that everyone else ends up looking at it going "Are these two partners for barely mentioning each other?"

If that's her thing then...not really a fan of it? Feels like a reason to not try to solve someone in good faith.
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Falcon or Illario/Johanna/Dolby/Marmot make sense?
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Lime Coke how do you feel aobut the triad?
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Lime Coke wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:55 pm Falcon or Illario/Johanna/Dolby/Marmot make sense?
I really like a Marmot kill.

I noticed for long stretches of the game Illario was posting as though like only 1 other player existed in the thread, D1 it felt like he was disproportionately quoting and responding to or talking about Dizzy, early day 2 there was an obsession about me, though that was somewhat thread wide... It's an easy play for mafia to really focus on one player who's irrelevant to their plans / who they have no intention of voting for.

What do you think of that?
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Dolby wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:48 pm @falcon45ca you were here a bit ago, what do your reads look like rn?
My POE is unchanged from last night
we can't stop here...this is bat country!
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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ngl kinda feel like I'm being ignored here but in all fairness this is basically my first time posting today
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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falcon45ca wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:59 pm
Dolby wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:48 pm @falcon45ca you were here a bit ago, what do your reads look like rn?
My POE is unchanged from last night
Can you articulate why Dizzy and Ilario are in the PoE?
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Also, who are your lowest townies and why?
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Dolby wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:59 pm ngl kinda feel like I'm being ignored here but in all fairness this is basically my first time posting today
You're not, we just disagree to such an extent that is hard to bridge.
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Like I would feel better if we voted Marmot over Falcon
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Dolby wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:56 pm Lime Coke how do you feel aobut the triad?
The Dizzy/Sloonei/JJJ thing?

Judging how the game is panning out, I'm starting to come to the grip of there is indeed one in there. However wouldn't say Dizzy is one at this point.
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:03 pm Like I would feel better if we voted Marmot over Falcon
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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@Dolby @Lime Coke would you compromise onto Marmot?
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:04 pm @Dolby @Lime Coke would you compromise onto Marmot?
probably?

They are both part of a set of players that I don't have a strong read on.

I actually don't like how they tried to make my initial comments on them a big deal and continued using it as primary justification on me heading into today
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Dolby wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:04 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:03 pm Like I would feel better if we voted Marmot over Falcon
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:58 pm
Lime Coke wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:55 pm Falcon or Illario/Johanna/Dolby/Marmot make sense?
I really like a Marmot kill.

I noticed for long stretches of the game Illario was posting as though like only 1 other player existed in the thread, D1 it felt like he was disproportionately quoting and responding to or talking about Dizzy, early day 2 there was an obsession about me, though that was somewhat thread wide... It's an easy play for mafia to really focus on one player who's irrelevant to their plans / who they have no intention of voting for.

What do you think of that?
He will try to do that as town sometimes because he likes trying to solve with other people. In a vacuum it looks like a pocket attempt but it's something that I don't think he'd have trouble faking as mafia.

Though I feel like as mafia Illario would try to get interactions with his partners to try to distance. Like he's not a noob wolf player that would make his stuff look obvious.
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:04 pm @Dolby @Lime Coke would you compromise onto Marmot?
Not opposed.
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:07 pm
Dolby wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:04 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:03 pm Like I would feel better if we voted Marmot over Falcon
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Dolby wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:09 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:07 pm
Dolby wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:04 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:03 pm Like I would feel better if we voted Marmot over Falcon
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I'm sorry but I have no idea what this means
I tried, let's try voting instead.
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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Consider dark green to be non-partners, everything else is for me, you can ignore.
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Re: Fleabag Mafia d2

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I kinda just like LC on skim

I want them to articulate how they feel about Anarch but that's about it
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