Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]

[Scotty]

That being said, I actually think sig coming out and throwing caution to the wind with regards to his spelling and grammar is townie, if not reckless. Could be WIFOM, but that role is incredibly restrictive to my *vibe* which comes with autocorrect errors and incomplete sentences. So I get it.

The grammar police role is mafia. Making typos does not benefit town.

thanks professor.

I’m just not sure mafia sig comes out and brazenly exclaims what he does. I agree that if everyone talks in complete sentences like I am acutely aware you are doing, that role becomes useless.

It just sounds too robotic. And I, for one, am not a robot.

Though…I can’t prove that.

Were you aware that Pedantic Pink was mafia before I mentioned it, or did I teach you something new?

Oh yeah. That was why I was reading sig as town in the first post you quoted

[Golden]

New read

Slight scum: vivax

[bea]

@Golden

Yes. I am most familiar with the people who played on sites before the syndicate.

I am unsure as to why you pointed this out Golden? Did you think I was avoiding the question of "Who are you most familiar with?"

No. It was just funny how perfect the breakdown was.

A no u moment here… but that felt like you were jumping at a shadow. Why did you read that post as having a hidden intent?

Because I am still trying to figure you out. I feel like my Golden gut monitor is off and I can't tell if it's from lack of practice reading you, your play style has changed or you are being weird.

[Sloonei]

I drop off as scum activity-wise over the course of games.
I‘d agree that in this game I put in more effort to act diplomatically since most are new to me but I also assume them to be experienced.

Noted.

I had no actual suspicion of you at the time that I called you mafia. I was just bored and wanted to say something that provoked a reaction in the thread.

Your response has seemed a bit measured, which has introduced just a sliver of real suspicion.

[Sloonei]

That being said, I actually think sig coming out and throwing caution to the wind with regards to his spelling and grammar is townie, if not reckless. Could be WIFOM, but that role is incredibly restrictive to my *vibe* which comes with autocorrect errors and incomplete sentences. So I get it.

The grammar police role is mafia. Making typos does not benefit town.

thanks professor.

I’m just not sure mafia sig comes out and brazenly exclaims what he does. I agree that if everyone talks in complete sentences like I am acutely aware you are doing, that role becomes useless.

It just sounds too robotic. And I, for one, am not a robot.

Though…I can’t prove that.

Were you aware that Pedantic Pink was mafia before I mentioned it, or did I teach you something new?

Oh yeah. That was why I was reading sig as town in the first post you quoted

Which part are you saying “oh yeah” to?

[Scotty]

I have read all the rules and flavor posts, but not all of the roles, for the record. Since I saw this as a topic of conversation RE: Elohcin. I don’t begrudge people for not having the full role list memorized.

That being said, I actually think sig coming out and throwing caution to the wind with regards to his spelling and grammar is townie, if not reckless. Could be WIFOM, but that role is incredibly restrictive to my *vibe* which comes with autocorrect errors and incomplete sentences. So I get it.

The grammar police role is mafia. Making typos does not benefit town.

Though I can tell from your talking in complete sentences and polite reminder that you have at least latched on to that role, but haven’t read all of them.

I find it convenient that you are taking the high road there because town should afford the mafia no extra help in the form of any errors. Nothing lost by saying on D5, “That mafia role isn’t checking my role, because I colored within the lines.”

[Scotty]

I have an idea of who the mafia is, but it's not who I'm voting at the moment. Though, the person I'm voting may also be mafia, who knows.

I do not like this post, nor do I like the vote for Bea. Mind you, I think voting for Bea in general is reasonable because people always tend to trust her, which makes her dangerous on the occasions when she is mafia, but Axey’s vote came without explanation and was a pile on after a (marginally) more justified vote.

Also, why would you not vote for who you think the mafia is?

I’ve learned to just disregard Axe in D1 because he does this as town, mafia, independent and axehole

Could you express more about this? What would you say is Axe’s basic meta?

Axe has a habit of coming into a game with a false pretense or at least withholding reads. It could be “I got a Night 0 redcheck on Scotty” or “I have 6 scum reads and if someone guesses them all I’ll let you know”. Then he opens up and starts solving down the line. I think it might be a D1 defense mechanism

[Golden]

@Golden

Yes. I am most familiar with the people who played on sites before the syndicate.

I am unsure as to why you pointed this out Golden? Did you think I was avoiding the question of "Who are you most familiar with?"

No. It was just funny how perfect the breakdown was.

A no u moment here… but that felt like you were jumping at a shadow. Why did you read that post as having a hidden intent?

Because I am still trying to figure you out. I feel like my Golden gut monitor is off and I can't tell if it's from lack of practice reading you, your play style has changed or you are being weird.

I mean the third one is definitely true but that doesn’t mean other things are not.

Is getting an early read on me something you specifically want to do?

[Sloonei]

I have read all the rules and flavor posts, but not all of the roles, for the record. Since I saw this as a topic of conversation RE: Elohcin. I don’t begrudge people for not having the full role list memorized.

That being said, I actually think sig coming out and throwing caution to the wind with regards to his spelling and grammar is townie, if not reckless. Could be WIFOM, but that role is incredibly restrictive to my *vibe* which comes with autocorrect errors and incomplete sentences. So I get it.

The grammar police role is mafia. Making typos does not benefit town.

Though I can tell from your talking in complete sentences and polite reminder that you have at least latched on to that role, but haven’t read all of them.

I find it convenient that you are taking the high road there because town should afford the mafia no extra help in the form of any errors. Nothing lost by saying on D5, “That mafia role isn’t checking my role, because I colored within the lines.”

Scotty, I literally have a a master’s degree in English. I can’t not type in full sentences.

The role in question was a topic of conversation within the opening pages of the game, so I looked it up.

[NotAnAxehole]

Good news, I think I figured out who the masons are.

And you’re advertising this as opposed to keeping it to yourself why?

Scum need a fighting chance in PR hunt. So I'm just letting them know the information is available in the thread and see how that affects behavior.

[bea]

@Golden

Yes. I am most familiar with the people who played on sites before the syndicate.

I am unsure as to why you pointed this out Golden? Did you think I was avoiding the question of "Who are you most familiar with?"

No. It was just funny how perfect the breakdown was.

A no u moment here… but that felt like you were jumping at a shadow. Why did you read that post as having a hidden intent?

Because I am still trying to figure you out. I feel like my Golden gut monitor is off and I can't tell if it's from lack of practice reading you, your play style has changed or you are being weird.

I mean the third one is definitely true but that doesn’t mean other things are not.

Is getting an early read on me something you specifically want to do?

Old habits die hard. I usually had a pretty solid read on you early in the past. It was one of the things that helped to ground me so I am feeling a little shook up over my flippy flop about trusting you or not.

[NotAnAxehole]

It's actually pretty obvious too, upon revision.

[thellama73]

I have read all the rules and flavor posts, but not all of the roles, for the record. Since I saw this as a topic of conversation RE: Elohcin. I don’t begrudge people for not having the full role list memorized.

That being said, I actually think sig coming out and throwing caution to the wind with regards to his spelling and grammar is townie, if not reckless. Could be WIFOM, but that role is incredibly restrictive to my *vibe* which comes with autocorrect errors and incomplete sentences. So I get it.

The grammar police role is mafia. Making typos does not benefit town.

Though I can tell from your talking in complete sentences and polite reminder that you have at least latched on to that role, but haven’t read all of them.

I find it convenient that you are taking the high road there because town should afford the mafia no extra help in the form of any errors. Nothing lost by saying on D5, “That mafia role isn’t checking my role, because I colored within the lines.”

Scotty, I literally have a a master’s degree in English. I can’t not type in full sentences.

The role in question was a topic of conversation within the opening pages of the game, so I looked it up.

Boasting about your educational credentials is a baddie move.

[NotAnAxehole]

I have an idea of who the mafia is, but it's not who I'm voting at the moment. Though, the person I'm voting may also be mafia, who knows.

I do not like this post, nor do I like the vote for Bea. Mind you, I think voting for Bea in general is reasonable because people always tend to trust her, which makes her dangerous on the occasions when she is mafia, but Axey’s vote came without explanation and was a pile on after a (marginally) more justified vote.

Also, why would you not vote for who you think the mafia is?

I’ve learned to just disregard Axe in D1 because he does this as town, mafia, independent and axehole

Could you express more about this? What would you say is Axe’s basic meta?

Axe has a habit of coming into a game with a false pretense or at least withholding reads. It could be “I got a Night 0 redcheck on Scotty” or “I have 6 scum reads and if someone guesses them all I’ll let you know”. Then he opens up and starts solving down the line. I think it might be a D1 defense mechanism

If you had to put up with what I do here, you'd also have one or two go-to lock it down defense mechanisms.

[Sloonei]

I can’t be mafia because I’ve read books.

[NotAnAxehole]

I can’t be mafia because I’ve read books.

I would have vigged you by now if I had a gun, fwiw.

[NotAnAxehole]

Too bad no day vig

[G-Man]

Vivacious posting today, it seems. Too bad I no longer play mafia while at work. Might as well re-read the whole thread while I paint pumpkins and catch up on the bills. I’ll offer what kernels I can, but I’m just as useless on Day 1 as I’ve always been.

[Sloonei]

I can’t be mafia because I’ve read books.

I would have vigged you by now if I had a gun, fwiw.

Noted.

[Quin]

Just started work, so I can't wallpost or anything, but here's some takes:

Scotty's insistence on the Eloh scumread feels forced. Possible distancing. sig is a good boy if true.

Axe is a zero-faith townie, reminds me of Phenon where I just shat in everyone's cereal in some weird sussy town performance.

The bea train is garbage. Looking at that in more detail tonight.

Llama needs to explain his rainbow, The bit about me, specifically.

[Scotty]

Spoiler: show

But why tho

See my progression

Could you articulate your reasoning instead of putting the onus on me to do it for you?

Begrudgingly, sure, even though it’s only 20 posts back. I could probably flesh it out more.

It’s admittedly a pretty weak scumread, but the arguments that Elo had made agreeing with the suspicion of sig based on a mechanic that she hadn’t read, then recanting her suspicion upon learning said mechanic was rather safe. It wasn’t a slam dunk by any means. But then she reacts to my read of her with a long winded explanation that mafia will have certain qualities in D1. She lists them; then, she makes, in more or less words, an OMGUS on me using one of the bullet points “silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay)” which is objectively a terrible statement. Sure, I’m perhaps silly as much as a pumpkin spice latte in spring, but you can still DRINK a pumpkin spice latte in spring I’m making gab, advancing gameplay. Am I not?

So you're voting for Eloh because she acted on a weak suspicion, backtracked on it nearly as soon as it was called out, and offered a "whatever sticks" explanation as to her actions?

Why is that not a slam dunk? Where is this hesitation and hedging coming from? Is she doing an OMGUS to you or are you doing an OMGUS to her?

It’s not a slam dunk because D1 reads are never slam dunks. I’m like the looney tunes when the monstars suck the power away. I need reveals to better get a sense for players.

This could very well just be a player personality that I’m reading too much into.

Though I wouldn’t call this hedging. I’m currently voting there

Maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is scared to get it wrong. Or maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is bad and just trying to make a semblance of a baddie read on someone to make it look like he is trying. This response looks very bad to me.

I don’t really like the whole Elo vs Scotty thing. I do feel like Elo was a little quick to jump on sig who is an easy target, but as someone who almost never thoroughly reads the rules, I can wholeheartedly understand missing something like that. And in most cases wouldn’t it be easier for a mafia Elo to just leave that mild suspicion of sig out there instead. Scotty’s suspicion also seems quick to jump on something little.
Maybe I’ll reread it after the kids are asleep

kidS! Yay! How many now and what ages?

[I imagine that day 1 mafia players act like one of the following:
a) pretty quiet (laying low)
b) kind-of silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay), or
c) hard core readers (they obviously know who isn't a part of their own)

This is what I am looking for. So far I have my eye on Scotty for reasons of letter (b).

What does a Day 1 town player act like?

I think that civvie behavior on day 1 is more personalized than baddie behavior. For instance, if Blooper were here and she didn't make a single post on Day 1, I would not suspect her for it. But, if Pink were here and did not post on day 1, I think that would be something to keep an eye on. Unfortunately, there are three players here that I don't think I've ever played with, so they will probably escape a vote from me today unless something extreme happens.

Y'all should know to give me a little leeway before suspecting me, especially when I've been away for so many years. Did you forget that I only married into intelligence? Though I overthink and internalize everything IRL, I'm ultimately a doer and not a thinker. That is why Epi and I mesh so well together.

leeway
noun
1.
the amount of freedom to move or act that is available.

Do I understand coorect, you ask for a day 1 pass here?

Yes, that is correct. I am smart enough to look up the word before I post it as well If you knew me, you would know that it is classic Eloh to say five words and be suspected right out of the gate.

I am she. And I am eastern standard. 3:54pm atm.

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@Golden I never voted sig at all, btw. just talked about him in the thread. I don't like movable votes at all and I think Llama explained my thoughts on it very well, so I won't repeat.
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@ Michelle

Judging from my perspective I don't consider others' reads except they are my town reads. Had Eloh said they town read Scotty and Golden? Because if not, why do you think they should post more and reconsider?

It left a bad impression that Eloh claimed to have found a reason to be sus on sig but went off when a few dropped opposite conclusions. Maybe I'm expecting too much from early pages but that would have made for a fine topic to ruffle some heads early on if I were them.

This really isn't that difficult folks. I misinterpreted the roles and thought no one KNEW if votes were movable or not yet. Then, I reread the roles after getting some much needed sleep and wah-la, I understood it!

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@thellama73 I don't have a civ game, remember?
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“@Golden I never voted sig at all, btw. just talked about him in the thread. I don't like movable votes at all and I think Llama explained my thoughts on it very well, so I won't repeat.”
Right, you said you weren’t one to vote early, but wholly offered that sig could be bad. That was your only read at the time. Tomato/potato.

“Maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is scared to get it wrong. Or maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is bad and just trying to make a semblance of a baddie read on someone to make it look like he is trying. This response looks very bad to me.”
Correct that I don’t want to get it wrong. I think I tend to struggle on correct D1 reads. But a broken clock is right twice a day, eh?

If I had edged off you, would that response have looked better? I’m just continuing to get OMGUS vibes here.

@Elohcin If you could vote someone right now, who would you vote? GTH, as they’d say

[Scotty]

There would be nothing more ‘classic mafia’ than DF being D1 lynched for low posting.

Hopefully they posts and we can make a read because lynching a low poster at random is a coin flip.

I would say ‘at random’ excludes meta reads. Lynching a low posting DF on day 1 feels like worse odds than a coin flip to me.

Baby Scotty circa 2016 would definitely vote DF here

[Scotty]

There would be nothing more ‘classic mafia’ than DF being D1 lynched for low posting.

Hopefully they posts and we can make a read because lynching a low poster at random is a coin flip.

I would say ‘at random’ excludes meta reads. Lynching a low posting DF on day 1 feels like worse odds than a coin flip to me.

Pointing out that Finger showed inquisitiveness towards Llama (iirc) not mentioning DF while Golden is less concerned with putting the screws on DF.

Makes Golden look slightly too complacent maybe.
Fingersplints townier unless DF is mafia.

Maybe useful to go back to for pairings later.

meh. I believe using DF as a lynchpin in any pairings at the current juncture is a waste of time

[NotAnAxehole]

Just started work, so I can't wallpost or anything, but here's some takes:

Scotty's insistence on the Eloh scumread feels forced. Possible distancing. sig is a good boy if true.

Axe is a zero-faith townie, reminds me of Phenon where I just shat in everyone's cereal in some weird sussy town performance.

The bea train is garbage. Looking at that in more detail tonight.

Llama needs to explain his rainbow, The bit about me, specifically.

I disagree entirely with your assessment of me.

[Golden]

@Golden

Yes. I am most familiar with the people who played on sites before the syndicate.

I am unsure as to why you pointed this out Golden? Did you think I was avoiding the question of "Who are you most familiar with?"

No. It was just funny how perfect the breakdown was.

A no u moment here… but that felt like you were jumping at a shadow. Why did you read that post as having a hidden intent?

Because I am still trying to figure you out. I feel like my Golden gut monitor is off and I can't tell if it's from lack of practice reading you, your play style has changed or you are being weird.

I mean the third one is definitely true but that doesn’t mean other things are not.

Is getting an early read on me something you specifically want to do?

Old habits die hard. I usually had a pretty solid read on you early in the past. It was one of the things that helped to ground me so I am feeling a little shook up over my flippy flop about trusting you or not.

This checks out. I’ll say more post-game, but am I deliberately different? Yes. But hopefully in a way that still makes me feel like Golden.

[Quin]

Just started work, so I can't wallpost or anything, but here's some takes:

Scotty's insistence on the Eloh scumread feels forced. Possible distancing. sig is a good boy if true.

Axe is a zero-faith townie, reminds me of Phenon where I just shat in everyone's cereal in some weird sussy town performance.

The bea train is garbage. Looking at that in more detail tonight.

Llama needs to explain his rainbow, The bit about me, specifically.

I disagree entirely with your assessment of me.

That's nice.

[Golden]

It's actually pretty obvious too, upon revision.

I have certainly held a mason suspicion for a while but it would suit me more if the mafia didn’t know. At the moment I’m chalking this down to play style but I don’t get it.

[Scotty]

The fact that no one is trying to lynch me on Day One is very out of character for this site and is making me uneasy.

Ok f***ing hell this is bullsuit.

Town read of llama.

this is the opposite of what he suggested

[bea]

@Golden okiedokie.

[Golden]

The fact that no one is trying to lynch me on Day One is very out of character for this site and is making me uneasy.

Ok f***ing hell this is bullsuit.

Town read of llama.

this is the opposite of what he suggested

Well look I’ve never been one to give llama what he wants.

[Golden]

There would be nothing more ‘classic mafia’ than DF being D1 lynched for low posting.

Hopefully they posts and we can make a read because lynching a low poster at random is a coin flip.

I would say ‘at random’ excludes meta reads. Lynching a low posting DF on day 1 feels like worse odds than a coin flip to me.

Pointing out that Finger showed inquisitiveness towards Llama (iirc) not mentioning DF while Golden is less concerned with putting the screws on DF.

Makes Golden look slightly too complacent maybe.
Fingersplints townier unless DF is mafia.

Maybe useful to go back to for pairings later.

What screws?

@Vivax i do actually want an answer to this.

[bea]

3 way tie - vote closes in little more than 30 minutes. I dont want to vote for any of the people who have votes. Quiet (possilbe miss of lynch) from df feels on brand, a post abput driving from lorab then nothing. No posts from kate. That has me worried. Ugh. Day 1.

[Sloonei]

3 way tie - vote closes in little more than 30 minutes. I dont want to vote for any of the people who have votes. Quiet (possilbe miss of lynch) from df feels on brand, a post abput driving from lorab then nothing. No posts from kate. That has me worried. Ugh. Day 1.

We have another 24 hours.

[bea]

Oh shoot! Today is Monday!!!! Doh! I haven't been working since the end of sept. Not gonna lie, it will be nice to start back up tomorrow. I am loosing all sense of time!

[Golden]

3 way tie - vote closes in little more than 30 minutes. I dont want to vote for any of the people who have votes. Quiet (possilbe miss of lynch) from df feels on brand, a post abput driving from lorab then nothing. No posts from kate. That has me worried. Ugh. Day 1.

We have another 24 hours.

Thank god, bea gave me a heart attack then.

[thellama73]

Vivacious posting today, it seems. Too bad I no longer play mafia while at work. Might as well re-read the whole thread while I paint pumpkins and catch up on the bills. I’ll offer what kernels I can, but I’m just as useless on Day 1 as I’ve always been.

Civvies don’t paint pumpkins, they carve them. Terrible.

[bea]

I was giving myself a heart attack!

[Scotty]

Vivax is mafia.

Why?

His posts are too safe.

[NotAnAxehole]

Vivax is mafia.

Why?

His posts are too safe.

It's one of those projected reads.

[Sloonei]

You guys will get there eventuallt.

[Sloonei]

Oh look at that, a typo

[Sloonei]

Also I used to have a catchphrase for this.

[Scotty]

History would dictate that I should vote a no-poster here, but history also says you shouldn’t march on Russia in the winter. I think that’s crock, see? You just have to wear thicker outer layers and bring more rations. I have it all figured out! While other poindexters might put their head down and wait until summer to make an offensive push on the oppressive czar of the day, I confidently proclaim “naw,” get on my bike and ride forth, baby. Instead of following the narrative “learn from the past’s mistakes,” I choose to “make mistakes in the future.” I choose to never make new beginnings by always postponing the endings.

Life is a haiku made up of an infinite spew of lines.

Anyway, [VOTE: Bea] aubergine

Wait. What? I didn't understand any of this. It was like a Dali painting but with words in my brain.

I have an idea of who the mafia is, but it's not who I'm voting at the moment. Though, the person I'm voting may also be mafia, who knows.

I am confused by this logic as well.

I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.

A) I am Bea (pronounced bee. Short for Beatrice.). I am usually extremely cheery especially at the start when I am just happy to talk to people. It's been like 8 years since I've played so I am probably extra cheery.

B) I, sadly, have been voted on for less.

C) I am curious as to what happened to point D in the list.

I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.

I voted Bea.

That makes my heart sad. Even if it was short lived.

Visions of Day 1’s of old are running through my mind. I’m not inclined to just let it go in the undisciplined manner of yesteryear. I need more meat to chew on from everyone first. I’m thankful that my night away coincided with Night 0 instead of the first half of Day 1.

That being said, I actually think sig coming out and throwing caution to the wind with regards to his spelling and grammar is townie, if not reckless. Could be WIFOM, but that role is incredibly restrictive to my *vibe* which comes with autocorrect errors and incomplete sentences. So I get it.

The grammar police role is mafia. Making typos does not benefit town.

Valid point indeed! But the civvies have an adverb checker, so we should play it old school like when lie detector roles were still in vogue and pressure everyone to post a unique adverb. Anyone who resists must die.

I agree with what G-man is laying down here.

Adverbs in generaly VASTLY improve communication. They can also HEAVILY color meaning in terms of connoative associations.


(Oh! I almost souned smart up there!)

Y'all should know to give me a little leeway before suspecting me, especially when I've been away for so many years.

No mercy for the cakemaker!

I have an idea of who the mafia is, but it's not who I'm voting at the moment. Though, the person I'm voting may also be mafia, who knows.

I do not like this post, nor do I like the vote for Bea. Mind you, I think voting for Bea in general is reasonable because people always tend to trust her, which makes her dangerous on the occasions when she is mafia, but Axey’s vote came without explanation and was a pile on after a (marginally) more justified vote.

Also, why would you not vote for who you think the mafia is?

I am worthy of trust this time round llamaloo!

Also, Hiiiiiiii! Miss you sir!

Bea: *Lick*
G-Man: *Lick*

I am now curious as to how I taste.

I think Dharma and Wilgy are villagers
I liked Scotty asking about the reason of receiving a town read

I have mixed feelings about Eloh I think they can go either way




I am sorry if I make any gender mistake, for players I don't know I will use they but I would appreciate help here.eta infos would be great!

Also I wish to know everyone's time zone.
I live in East Europe and for me is 10:30 pm now

I am female. My time is currently 2:47 pm. I am in Arizona (US) where time is bizzare.

My sense is that the mafia is laying low right now. Kate has only two posts. Lorab has only three, although she also has a good excuse. Bea has no posts on Day 1 yet. I’ll be watching these players very closely.

My sense is that the mafia is laying low right now. Kate has only two posts. Lorab has only three, although she also has a good excuse. Bea has no posts on Day 1 yet. I’ll be watching these players very closely.

Is there a reason you skipped over dfaraday who only has 1?

Interesting point. Upon further reading of the thread "forgot him" feels on brand for DF too.

There would be nothing more ‘classic mafia’ than DF being D1 lynched for low posting.

There would be nothing more ‘classic mafia’ than DF being D1 lynched for low posting.

Hopefully they posts and we can make a read because lynching a low poster at random is a coin flip.

I would say ‘at random’ excludes meta reads. Lynching a low posting DF on day 1 feels like worse odds than a coin flip to me.

This all vibes better for golden imo. Far too many mafia games lose civ DF for low posting right out the gate if memory serves correctly.

The fact that no one is trying to lynch me on Day One is very out of character for this site and is making me uneasy.

I don't remember you being in the hot seat on day 1 much, but things change I guess and I've been gone a minute.

My sense is that the mafia is laying low right now. Kate has only two posts. Lorab has only three, although she also has a good excuse. Bea has no posts on Day 1 yet. I’ll be watching these players very closely.

I could see this. Especially if mafia are people that haven’t played in awhile they’ll be more likely to hang back and get acclimated

I am not mafia. I have however been gone a long time. Getting acclimated after a long break isn't a baddie behavior per say. In my case, it is "I've been gone a long time. Dusting off cobwebs is strange. My enviornment is both strange and familiar."

As for the vote, I don't really know. Day 1 is hard. All the cases seem pretty weak. I generally see the good in everyone.

Also since some of my meta reads are a bit older who out of the old school players dislike being mafia more?

I seem to recall DF wasn’t a fan of being mafia and posted less when they rolled that way. But, besides them I’m drawing a blank

I am not superfan of being mafia. I am not good at the lying. Take that for what you will.

Aww, I like these posts. Dunno why. You shall not die today, bae

Day 1 IS hard.

Plus, if you *are* mafia, hopefully we can catch you in a lie later if you truly are such a terrible liar

[Scotty]

Wait, do Scotty and Sloonei actually not know bea?

I seem to recall playing with her at least a few times…Maybe 6 years ago

Sloonei though? This is his first mafia game by his own admission

[Sloonei]

What’s mafia?

[Scotty]

Good news, I think I figured out who the masons are.

And you’re advertising this as opposed to keeping it to yourself why?

Golden, meet Axe

[Elohcin]

Spoiler: show

See my progression

Could you articulate your reasoning instead of putting the onus on me to do it for you?

Begrudgingly, sure, even though it’s only 20 posts back. I could probably flesh it out more.

It’s admittedly a pretty weak scumread, but the arguments that Elo had made agreeing with the suspicion of sig based on a mechanic that she hadn’t read, then recanting her suspicion upon learning said mechanic was rather safe. It wasn’t a slam dunk by any means. But then she reacts to my read of her with a long winded explanation that mafia will have certain qualities in D1. She lists them; then, she makes, in more or less words, an OMGUS on me using one of the bullet points “silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay)” which is objectively a terrible statement. Sure, I’m perhaps silly as much as a pumpkin spice latte in spring, but you can still DRINK a pumpkin spice latte in spring I’m making gab, advancing gameplay. Am I not?

So you're voting for Eloh because she acted on a weak suspicion, backtracked on it nearly as soon as it was called out, and offered a "whatever sticks" explanation as to her actions?

Why is that not a slam dunk? Where is this hesitation and hedging coming from? Is she doing an OMGUS to you or are you doing an OMGUS to her?

It’s not a slam dunk because D1 reads are never slam dunks. I’m like the looney tunes when the monstars suck the power away. I need reveals to better get a sense for players.

This could very well just be a player personality that I’m reading too much into.

Though I wouldn’t call this hedging. I’m currently voting there

Maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is scared to get it wrong. Or maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is bad and just trying to make a semblance of a baddie read on someone to make it look like he is trying. This response looks very bad to me.

I don’t really like the whole Elo vs Scotty thing. I do feel like Elo was a little quick to jump on sig who is an easy target, but as someone who almost never thoroughly reads the rules, I can wholeheartedly understand missing something like that. And in most cases wouldn’t it be easier for a mafia Elo to just leave that mild suspicion of sig out there instead. Scotty’s suspicion also seems quick to jump on something little.
Maybe I’ll reread it after the kids are asleep

kidS! Yay! How many now and what ages?

[I imagine that day 1 mafia players act like one of the following:
a) pretty quiet (laying low)
b) kind-of silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay), or
c) hard core readers (they obviously know who isn't a part of their own)

This is what I am looking for. So far I have my eye on Scotty for reasons of letter (b).

What does a Day 1 town player act like?

I think that civvie behavior on day 1 is more personalized than baddie behavior. For instance, if Blooper were here and she didn't make a single post on Day 1, I would not suspect her for it. But, if Pink were here and did not post on day 1, I think that would be something to keep an eye on. Unfortunately, there are three players here that I don't think I've ever played with, so they will probably escape a vote from me today unless something extreme happens.

Y'all should know to give me a little leeway before suspecting me, especially when I've been away for so many years. Did you forget that I only married into intelligence? Though I overthink and internalize everything IRL, I'm ultimately a doer and not a thinker. That is why Epi and I mesh so well together.

leeway
noun
1.
the amount of freedom to move or act that is available.

Do I understand coorect, you ask for a day 1 pass here?

Yes, that is correct. I am smart enough to look up the word before I post it as well If you knew me, you would know that it is classic Eloh to say five words and be suspected right out of the gate.

I am she. And I am eastern standard. 3:54pm atm.

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@Golden I never voted sig at all, btw. just talked about him in the thread. I don't like movable votes at all and I think Llama explained my thoughts on it very well, so I won't repeat.
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@ Michelle

Judging from my perspective I don't consider others' reads except they are my town reads. Had Eloh said they town read Scotty and Golden? Because if not, why do you think they should post more and reconsider?

It left a bad impression that Eloh claimed to have found a reason to be sus on sig but went off when a few dropped opposite conclusions. Maybe I'm expecting too much from early pages but that would have made for a fine topic to ruffle some heads early on if I were them.

This really isn't that difficult folks. I misinterpreted the roles and thought no one KNEW if votes were movable or not yet. Then, I reread the roles after getting some much needed sleep and wah-la, I understood it!

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@thellama73 I don't have a civ game, remember?
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“@Golden I never voted sig at all, btw. just talked about him in the thread. I don't like movable votes at all and I think Llama explained my thoughts on it very well, so I won't repeat.”
Right, you said you weren’t one to vote early, but wholly offered that sig could be bad. That was your only read at the time. Tomato/potato.

“Maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is scared to get it wrong. Or maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is bad and just trying to make a semblance of a baddie read on someone to make it look like he is trying. This response looks very bad to me.”
Correct that I don’t want to get it wrong. I think I tend to struggle on correct D1 reads. But a broken clock is right twice a day, eh?

If I had edged off you, would that response have looked better? I’m just continuing to get OMGUS vibes here.

@Elohcin If you could vote someone right now, who would you vote? GTH, as they’d say

I actually felt like your response was you "edging off me", so I'm confused by the question. It's like you thought, "Shoot, I really could be wrong here so I'm going to back off and say that my theory wasn't a slam dunk," after driving it hard for so many posts. You backing off is what made me question your civ status further. You may say I did the same thing with sig (flippity-flop), but really it wouldn't be true. I made a couple comments, in a tired state, about sig being sus right before going to bed. Then, when I woke up and saw comments about it, I reread the rules and roles, had a derp moment, and backed off. I really think you just need to let that go and let us move on.

I hate GTH questions and refuse to answer them.

New read, Bea is civ bc she would know when day ends if she had BTSC.

[Elohcin]

EBWOP: actually...if you really were scared you were wrong, then you'd have to be civ. It's getting close to my bedtime again. I'm useless in the evening and should not play mafia at this time. This is why I work during the first half of my day. I don't know what I think anymore.

[thellama73]

New read, Bea is civ bc she would know when day ends if she had BTSC.

I’m reading Bea as civ too, although I always take my reads of her with a grain of salt because she is good at seeming civ when she is not.

I can’t decide if Axey is a particularly unhelpful civ or a baddie. I’m trying to avoid talking myself into lynching someone simply because I am clashing with their style. Still, I am really pinged by the fact that other people keep defending him by saying “pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. He’s always like that.”

Sloonei is looking worse all the time. And for those who took him seriously, this is NOT his first mafia game.

[Sloonei]

I look great.