Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]

[thellama73]

You’re fine to vote for Quin, it just felt silly to shake your finger at her and then kick the guy who already…also..has a wagon.

I've never claimed not to be silly.

[Golden]

G-Man donowalled my suspicion of him

Genuinely haven't read much recently, did G-Man ever address anything I said or is he suffering the same "I can't see DH's posts" affliction that sig was?

Dont mind me just forgetting my G-Man suspicion exists lmao I'm so crazy.

I'll just finish by saying that this is 'not forgetting my suspicion exists' in the same way that DF hasn't forgotten this thread exists and leave it there, because I'm getting steamed.

[Golden]

I encourage others to do a DH iso.

[Vivax]

In other news, I like Vivax2.0’s entrance to the day so far.

Sounds like the same Vivax as before. Could even be the same guy

Thanks. I'm a bit unsure on where to go for today but I fully approve of a more involved approach from Lora. I don't mind voting with llama either.

I think I forgot who DH was voting yesterday at EoD.

[DharmaHelper]

G-Man donowalled my suspicion of him

Genuinely haven't read much recently, did G-Man ever address anything I said or is he suffering the same "I can't see DH's posts" affliction that sig was?

Dont mind me just forgetting my G-Man suspicion exists lmao I'm so crazy.

I'll just finish by saying that this is 'not forgetting my suspicion exists' in the same way that DF hasn't forgotten this thread exists and leave it there, because I'm getting steamed.

In all earnestness what do you want me to do? He's not responded to my initial points against him so the conversation is dead. He's barely posted anything else to examine so I can't do that.

[DharmaHelper]

In other news, I like Vivax2.0’s entrance to the day so far.

Sounds like the same Vivax as before. Could even be the same guy

Thanks. I'm a bit unsure on where to go for today but I fully approve of a more involved approach from Lora. I don't mind voting with llama either.

I think I forgot who DH was voting yesterday at EoD.

I voted for G-Man and didn't move off him

[thellama73]

I encourage others to do a DH iso.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me at all if DH is mafia, so I approve of you bringing attention to him. Maybe I'll even vote with you if you're nice to me.

[DharmaHelper]

Also I fully had no clue who "Lora" was for 15 full seconds and that was funny.

[DharmaHelper]

Vote: DH

[Scotty]

Vote count (a little over 3 hours left in D2):

Lorab (3): Kate, Scotty, Quin
Quin (3): JaggedJimmyJay, Macdougall, thellama73
DharmaHelper (3): Sloonei, Golden, DharmaHelper
Sloonei (1): DrWilgy

Note voting (8): bea, DFaraday, Elohcin, GMan, LoRab, Michelle, sig, Vivax2.0


Note that at least 1 person (maybe 2??) have had their vote substituted with JJJ/Mac.

[Golden]

G-Man donowalled my suspicion of him

Genuinely haven't read much recently, did G-Man ever address anything I said or is he suffering the same "I can't see DH's posts" affliction that sig was?

Dont mind me just forgetting my G-Man suspicion exists lmao I'm so crazy.

I'll just finish by saying that this is 'not forgetting my suspicion exists' in the same way that DF hasn't forgotten this thread exists and leave it there, because I'm getting steamed.

In all earnestness what do you want me to do? He's not responded to my initial points against him so the conversation is dead. He's barely posted anything else to examine so I can't do that.

I wanted you to not call my suspicion of you 'a bit' tbh, and for the rest you can do whatever you want. You're not obligated to act in a way that doesn't raise my suspicion of you.

[DharmaHelper]

I encourage others to do a DH iso.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me at all if DH is mafia, so I approve of you bringing attention to him. Maybe I'll even vote with you if you're nice to me.

Which of my posts haven't you read that drew you to this conclusion?

[Golden]

Vote: DH

I'm sorry if I've made you feel this way. This is exactly why I don't want to be getting into these back and forths.

[DharmaHelper]

G-Man donowalled my suspicion of him

Genuinely haven't read much recently, did G-Man ever address anything I said or is he suffering the same "I can't see DH's posts" affliction that sig was?

Dont mind me just forgetting my G-Man suspicion exists lmao I'm so crazy.

I'll just finish by saying that this is 'not forgetting my suspicion exists' in the same way that DF hasn't forgotten this thread exists and leave it there, because I'm getting steamed.

In all earnestness what do you want me to do? He's not responded to my initial points against him so the conversation is dead. He's barely posted anything else to examine so I can't do that.

I wanted you to not call my suspicion of you 'a bit' tbh, and for the rest you can do whatever you want. You're not obligated to act in a way that doesn't raise my suspicion of you.

I don't think your suspicion of me is "a bit", I think the funny part is that you've said I've done things that I've proven I haven't done.

[DharmaHelper]

Vote: DH

I'm sorry if I've made you feel this way. This is exactly why I don't want to be getting into these back and forths.

If you upset me I would have told you.

[Golden]

G-Man donowalled my suspicion of him

Genuinely haven't read much recently, did G-Man ever address anything I said or is he suffering the same "I can't see DH's posts" affliction that sig was?

Dont mind me just forgetting my G-Man suspicion exists lmao I'm so crazy.

I'll just finish by saying that this is 'not forgetting my suspicion exists' in the same way that DF hasn't forgotten this thread exists and leave it there, because I'm getting steamed.

In all earnestness what do you want me to do? He's not responded to my initial points against him so the conversation is dead. He's barely posted anything else to examine so I can't do that.

I wanted you to not call my suspicion of you 'a bit' tbh, and for the rest you can do whatever you want. You're not obligated to act in a way that doesn't raise my suspicion of you.

I don't think your suspicion of me is "a bit", I think the funny part is that you've said I've done things that I've proven I haven't done.

[Scotty]

Vote: DH

Ignore the haters for a bit here DH, and give some more insight into the game.

If no one could vote you today, what would be your top 3 votes and why?

[thellama73]

I encourage others to do a DH iso.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me at all if DH is mafia, so I approve of you bringing attention to him. Maybe I'll even vote with you if you're nice to me.

Which of my posts haven't you read that drew you to this conclusion?

I haven't read any of your posts. Ain't nobody got time for that.

[Scotty]

Like…if you were to take the energy you’re putting into this guffawing and defensive hullabaloo you’re dishing out and put it into reading the game at large, I think we’d all be more productive

[DharmaHelper]

Like…if you were to take the energy you’re putting into this guffawing and defensive hullabaloo you’re dishing out and put it into reading the game at large, I think we’d all be more productive

I think this might be the funniest thing I've read all day.

I'm not responsible for the threads productivity.

[thellama73]

Like…if you were to take the energy you’re putting into this guffawing and defensive hullabaloo you’re dishing out and put it into reading the game at large, I think we’d all be more productive

I think this might be the funniest thing I've read all day.

I'm not responsible for the threads productivity.

We all know DFaraday is responsible for that.

[Scotty]

Like…if you were to take the energy you’re putting into this guffawing and defensive hullabaloo you’re dishing out and put it into reading the game at large, I think we’d all be more productive

I think this might be the funniest thing I've read all day.

I'm not responsible for the threads productivity.

We all know DFaraday is responsible for that.

DFaraday is like the heart of the island in this game

[G-Man]

Vanishing for most of the phase was not my intention. Here is a short version of what I have so far:

Several tiers based on participation-

Big Talk- Scotty, Sloonei, Golden coward, DH- I would be shocked if there wasn’t a baddie in that group. Maybe two, but lots of productive chatter for the most part.

Llama in a tier of his own, but I still feel loose llama is good llama.

VivAxe or Viv2.0, Eloh, Michelle, Quin- mixed bag here. Eloh was sussed yesterday, Viv2.0 is a reset and still murky on D1 NAA read, Michelle feels most ambiguous (her posts didn’t make any impression on me), and same goes for Quin. These folks are at radar-level. I need to ISO to see if I detected a skimmer.

Kate, sig, Bea, Wilgy- 1/2 seem off the table today and the sig is less memorable that Wilgy licking everything in sight. Under the radar crew- also need ISOs to find manufactured content.


G-Man, LoRab, DF- low posters. Not ideal to find myself in that camp that must be ‘dealt with’ before too long. I saw points about LR’s evasiveness but I’m not exactly one to harp on that without being a hypocrite just yet. DF… just needs to show up for the weekend and get some content before he becomes an afterthought to everything happening in the present.

I will try to speed read the day and make a vote after I get back from wife’s birthday dinner.

Too many null reads for me right now- not a good look. Need to get my head back in the game and sort out some townclears to help my poe.

[Scotty]

@DFaraday you can bury my H bomb any day of the week

[DharmaHelper]

Vanishing for most of the phase was not my intention. Here is a short version of what I have so far:

Several tiers based on participation-

Big Talk- Scotty, Sloonei, Golden coward, DH- I would be shocked if there wasn’t a baddie in that group. Maybe two, but lots of productive chatter for the most part.

Llama in a tier of his own, but I still feel loose llama is good llama.

VivAxe or Viv2.0, Eloh, Michelle, Quin- mixed bag here. Eloh was sussed yesterday, Viv2.0 is a reset and still murky on D1 NAA read, Michelle feels most ambiguous (her posts didn’t make any impression on me), and same goes for Quin. These folks are at radar-level. I need to ISO to see if I detected a skimmer.

Kate, sig, Bea, Wilgy- 1/2 seem off the table today and the sig is less memorable that Wilgy licking everything in sight. Under the radar crew- also need ISOs to find manufactured content.


G-Man, LoRab, DF- low posters. Not ideal to find myself in that camp that must be ‘dealt with’ before too long. I saw points about LR’s evasiveness but I’m not exactly one to harp on that without being a hypocrite just yet. DF… just needs to show up for the weekend and get some content before he becomes an afterthought to everything happening in the present.

I will try to speed read the day and make a vote after I get back from wife’s birthday dinner.

Too many null reads for me right now- not a good look. Need to get my head back in the game and sort out some townclears to help my poe.

Ah yes but I'm the one "posting and saying nothing"

[Scotty]

Vanishing for most of the phase was not my intention. Here is a short version of what I have so far:

Several tiers based on participation-

Big Talk- Scotty, Sloonei, Golden coward, DH- I would be shocked if there wasn’t a baddie in that group. Maybe two, but lots of productive chatter for the most part.

Llama in a tier of his own, but I still feel loose llama is good llama.

VivAxe or Viv2.0, Eloh, Michelle, Quin- mixed bag here. Eloh was sussed yesterday, Viv2.0 is a reset and still murky on D1 NAA read, Michelle feels most ambiguous (her posts didn’t make any impression on me), and same goes for Quin. These folks are at radar-level. I need to ISO to see if I detected a skimmer.

Kate, sig, Bea, Wilgy- 1/2 seem off the table today and the sig is less memorable that Wilgy licking everything in sight. Under the radar crew- also need ISOs to find manufactured content.


G-Man, LoRab, DF- low posters. Not ideal to find myself in that camp that must be ‘dealt with’ before too long. I saw points about LR’s evasiveness but I’m not exactly one to harp on that without being a hypocrite just yet. DF… just needs to show up for the weekend and get some content before he becomes an afterthought to everything happening in the present.

I will try to speed read the day and make a vote after I get back from wife’s birthday dinner.

Too many null reads for me right now- not a good look. Need to get my head back in the game and sort out some townclears to help my poe.

Ah yes but I'm the one "posting and saying nothing"

You’re quickly becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy

[Golden]

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

OK, properly and actually forcing myself to walk away for a bit now. I expect to be back before eod, but I think in terms of the thread it's better for my vote to be somewhere else right now, and DF is now officially at 'so quiet it's no longer just a town meta thing' levels.

Sorry for getting steamed DH.

[thellama73]

Yay I'm in a tier of my own.

[Elohcin]

Hi again, I walked today a lot, visiting the town after we finally reached our destination.
Poland is beautiful in autumn, the leafs have all possible colours and the weather is perfect.


Now i only skimmed and I don't have time to make a solid opinion myself
I think the best option is to sheep someone but idk who. We don't have a consensus but this is not bad per se

After my interaction with drW I still think he is town, and i understand he is voting Sloonei because Fingers suspected Sloonei. Please correct me if i am wrong

I know I had Bea as town and I had a town read for llama but I forgot why. I can reread and find out mondqy.

If we think at NKA, Sloonei can be mafia who killed Fingers but also can be town framed by the kill

@Sloonei is voting me because allegedly I should be more active. This is weak, why are you doing this? I didn't find any question from you and also I was AFK.

If I stop posting means I am sleeping, hopefully I can be up for eod to find a vote

1)What does is mean to sheep someone?
2)What is NKA?

[Scotty]

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

OK, properly and actually forcing myself to walk away for a bit now. I expect to be back before eod, but I think in terms of the thread it's better for my vote to be somewhere else right now, and DF is now officially at 'so quiet it's no longer just a town meta thing' levels.

Sorry for getting steamed DH.

You think DF is a better vote here than LoRab?

Interesting.

[Scotty]

Hi again, I walked today a lot, visiting the town after we finally reached our destination.
Poland is beautiful in autumn, the leafs have all possible colours and the weather is perfect.


Now i only skimmed and I don't have time to make a solid opinion myself
I think the best option is to sheep someone but idk who. We don't have a consensus but this is not bad per se

After my interaction with drW I still think he is town, and i understand he is voting Sloonei because Fingers suspected Sloonei. Please correct me if i am wrong

I know I had Bea as town and I had a town read for llama but I forgot why. I can reread and find out mondqy.

If we think at NKA, Sloonei can be mafia who killed Fingers but also can be town framed by the kill

@Sloonei is voting me because allegedly I should be more active. This is weak, why are you doing this? I didn't find any question from you and also I was AFK.

If I stop posting means I am sleeping, hopefully I can be up for eod to find a vote

1)What does is mean to sheep someone?
2)What is NKA?

1) follow someone’s vote
2) night kill analysis: why mafia killed the player they did

[LoRab]

You guys will get there eventuallt.

oh thank Cthulhu I can finally role check you tonite

Did you just role claim a mafia role?

[VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

For snipey pop-in

If pointing out a strange post makes me seem suspish to you, I’m ok with that.

These two posts go together. LoRab thinks this jokey scum claim from Scotty is alignment indicative (a later post clarifies this somewhat). I'm okay with that.

Do you sus Scotty for that ?

Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.

Follows from the above, but I am confused at the "looking for votes as a civ thing" part. Need her to explain this.

Do you sus Scotty for that ?

Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.

Hi.

Here’s my response:

Really? That’s the hill you’re leading a charge on? Yikes.

I wasn't leading a charge. I was noticing a weirdness. But ok.

Lorab did indeed pop in, as Vivax pointed out, just to call attention to my joke post. That…sure is something. She needs to offer more than that.

Obviously, I didn't read it as a joke post--to be fair, I was reading the entire day's worth of posts, so I likely missed tone. And I will offer more--as I said in the sign ups, I was away for a long weekend, so didn't have much time to get into the game. And yesterday was traveling back home yesterday. As I'm sure you remember, you'll get plenty more from me.

I'm going to assume that you are a civ, and that you are reading me as bad because you are not. But, keeping in mind that it could be a switcheroo.

Her conclusion from all this is that he's town, because scum reading LoRab in this game is a thing civilians do. But also, Scotty could be scum because 'switcheroo'. Do you think you deserve to be scum read, LoRab? I do.

I am not going to, but tempted to vote axehole, because he doesn’t seem to honor at all the way other people play, and not adapting to the way many of us are used to. Which is frustrating, and I’m trying not to let me suspect him because I’m annoyed. Similar with VIVA.

This post may as well have not been made. It has nothing to do with the game.

Voting Bea.

[VOTE: Bea] aubergine

I don’t suspect her much, but I don’t have a read on her yet. And I want her to come out and play more.

Give me a better reason than this for why you voted bea, please. The last two posts set you up to look like you were making the most inoffensive vote possible.

@LoRab got any reads yet?

I don’t like how quiet it is. Suggests the mafia are under no real pressure at all. The game is coasting.

Not really. I’m not thinking about bea and kate until tomorrow. And really wanting to know what happened to bea. I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel goosed about because don’t want to help mafia. And not convinced the game secrets don’t contain weirdness that makes the allegiances less obvious than they seem.

Revising what I said before. I misremembered this post as LoRab talking about not wanting to explain her town reads, which I thought was a bad look because she lacked the clout needed for scum to want to react to them. Now reading it again, that's all because Scotty specified town reads in his ISO. What a nugget. I'm not concerned if she's holding back on her scum reads.

I still have absolutely no idea what is going on in LoRab's head besides "Scotty could be either good or bad".

Not repeating Scotty's ISO in here, I agree with all of it. You said you have more time, so I'd appreciate you using it to respond to this, and provide reads. [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

Do I “deserve” to be suspected? I mean, i don’t think I’ve ever played and not been suspected. Especially on here.

Indeed, I don’t have many reads. It’s day frigging 2 and I haven’t played in a while. Also, I tend to think more about mechanics than read early in games. Mainly because my reads on people come largely from pattern recognition of individual’s posts, which takes time.

To define terms: switchers= OMGUS. In the mafia culture I learned in, of which this site came from, that was the standard term.

Civvie roles that want to get voted out (often day 1) are not uncommon. And fake slipping is a way that role is often played.

I voted Bea because I usually read her fairly easily, but I don’t have a read on her yet. So I wanted her to know she has my eyeball on her.

I’m civ. I get that I’ve been quiet and that I don’t currently have strong reads. I also know that my style often reads bad on this site. I had thought maybe that would be the case in this old timers game, but here we are.

Im civv. Don’t know how to prove that or convince anyone of that. But none of what has been said about me is allignment indicative. It’s just me.

And, because someone will call me out if I don’t. Eye me all you want.

I unfortunately have yet to see you have any reads. This is different from your annoyance at being suspected for not having strong or many reads.
You even clarify that you don’t even have a read for bea, the only real person you’ve shown opinion for.

Furthermore, I don't see evidence in the thread of you thinking about mechanics either.

When one is being suspected and has to defend one's self, one has less time to come up with reads.

I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel good about because don’t want to help mafia

I think this point may make Lorab difficult to read, or cause us to default to suspicion against her. This mindset is a bit of a relic from an earlier era of Syndicate games, where sharing town reads was seen as a hindrance because it gave the mafia a team a roadmap of which players to kill first. This means we are unlikely to get the type of reads out of Lorab that we would normally want, even if she is town.

Indeed. And for a good several years before the syndicate existed.

I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel good about because don’t want to help mafia

I think this point may make Lorab difficult to read, or cause us to default to suspicion against her. This mindset is a bit of a relic from an earlier era of Syndicate games, where sharing town reads was seen as a hindrance because it gave the mafia a team a roadmap of which players to kill first. This means we are unlikely to get the type of reads out of Lorab that we would normally want, even if she is town.

What about mafia reads?

Like…we’re almost at the end of day 2. We’ve had 2 deaths and plenty of talking points.

It’s like going to get a massage and the first 7 sessions with the masseuse are them talking about all the pressure points they’re going to hit and how great it’s going to feel…while never touching you.

And here you are accusing a civ of being bad and making it even more difficult to think about reads.

I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel good about because don’t want to help mafia

I think this point may make Lorab difficult to read, or cause us to default to suspicion against her. This mindset is a bit of a relic from an earlier era of Syndicate games, where sharing town reads was seen as a hindrance because it gave the mafia a team a roadmap of which players to kill first. This means we are unlikely to get the type of reads out of Lorab that we would normally want, even if she is town.

To @LoRab I'll say this:

Unfortunately, the strategy of withholding town reads is unlikely to benefit you or anyone else in this game. For one, the majority of players in this game are not adhering to it. So even if you wish to keep your town reads secret, others are not inclined to do so. The advantage of "not helping mafia" is completely lost in this case. Instead, withholding your town reads is likely to only cause greater frustration for you and other civilians. You, because you may find it difficult to shake the suspicion against you. Others, because they will not find the type of content they are looking for from you.

Sharing town reads openly has become a central part of most players' approaches to game-solving. The idea is that civilians benefit from identifying one another and then working together, using process of elimination, to catch the bad guys. You may not agree with that approach. But it remains the case that there is little, if anything, to be gained by having one player opt not to share their town reads in an environment where the majority of players are freely expressing theirs.

I don't change my style because it is different from other people's. I don't agree with or disagree with that approach--but it isn't mine.

I want to reiterate that I’m not suspicious of LoRab not having town reads per se. She can do that just as much as Golden can be smug about the little hats he puts on all of our action figures on his bookshelf.

I’m more critical of the way she’s defending herself and promising more and giving less

I don't know how else to defend myself. You're right--I've been quiet. I haven't had reads to share. And that doesn't make me bad.

And, at this point, I don't have much time to formulate any before EOD, and will have to probably vote to save myself.

I ask you all the question: When I flip civvie, who are you going to suspect as a result?

[Elohcin]

Hi again, I walked today a lot, visiting the town after we finally reached our destination.
Poland is beautiful in autumn, the leafs have all possible colours and the weather is perfect.


Now i only skimmed and I don't have time to make a solid opinion myself
I think the best option is to sheep someone but idk who. We don't have a consensus but this is not bad per se

After my interaction with drW I still think he is town, and i understand he is voting Sloonei because Fingers suspected Sloonei. Please correct me if i am wrong

I know I had Bea as town and I had a town read for llama but I forgot why. I can reread and find out mondqy.

If we think at NKA, Sloonei can be mafia who killed Fingers but also can be town framed by the kill

@Sloonei is voting me because allegedly I should be more active. This is weak, why are you doing this? I didn't find any question from you and also I was AFK.

If I stop posting means I am sleeping, hopefully I can be up for eod to find a vote

1)What does is mean to sheep someone?
2)What is NKA?

1) follow someone’s vote
2) night kill analysis: why mafia killed the player they did

Thank you. Sheeping a vote would have been a big baddie ping back in the day. Is this normal now?

[Vivax]

Hi again, I walked today a lot, visiting the town after we finally reached our destination.
Poland is beautiful in autumn, the leafs have all possible colours and the weather is perfect.


Now i only skimmed and I don't have time to make a solid opinion myself
I think the best option is to sheep someone but idk who. We don't have a consensus but this is not bad per se

After my interaction with drW I still think he is town, and i understand he is voting Sloonei because Fingers suspected Sloonei. Please correct me if i am wrong

I know I had Bea as town and I had a town read for llama but I forgot why. I can reread and find out mondqy.

If we think at NKA, Sloonei can be mafia who killed Fingers but also can be town framed by the kill

@Sloonei is voting me because allegedly I should be more active. This is weak, why are you doing this? I didn't find any question from you and also I was AFK.

If I stop posting means I am sleeping, hopefully I can be up for eod to find a vote

1)What does is mean to sheep someone?
2)What is NKA?

1) follow someone’s vote
2) night kill analysis: why mafia killed the player they did

Thank you. Sheeping a vote would have been a big baddie ping back in the day. Is this normal now?

When you sheep you declare intent to trust the read of a townread and vote that.
If you follow votes for your/other reasons that's not identical.

[Scotty]

You guys will get there eventuallt.

oh thank Cthulhu I can finally role check you tonite

Did you just role claim a mafia role?

[VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

For snipey pop-in

If pointing out a strange post makes me seem suspish to you, I’m ok with that.

These two posts go together. LoRab thinks this jokey scum claim from Scotty is alignment indicative (a later post clarifies this somewhat). I'm okay with that.

Do you sus Scotty for that ?

Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.

Follows from the above, but I am confused at the "looking for votes as a civ thing" part. Need her to explain this.

Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.

Hi.

Here’s my response:

Really? That’s the hill you’re leading a charge on? Yikes.

I wasn't leading a charge. I was noticing a weirdness. But ok.

Lorab did indeed pop in, as Vivax pointed out, just to call attention to my joke post. That…sure is something. She needs to offer more than that.

Obviously, I didn't read it as a joke post--to be fair, I was reading the entire day's worth of posts, so I likely missed tone. And I will offer more--as I said in the sign ups, I was away for a long weekend, so didn't have much time to get into the game. And yesterday was traveling back home yesterday. As I'm sure you remember, you'll get plenty more from me.

I'm going to assume that you are a civ, and that you are reading me as bad because you are not. But, keeping in mind that it could be a switcheroo.

Her conclusion from all this is that he's town, because scum reading LoRab in this game is a thing civilians do. But also, Scotty could be scum because 'switcheroo'. Do you think you deserve to be scum read, LoRab? I do.

I am not going to, but tempted to vote axehole, because he doesn’t seem to honor at all the way other people play, and not adapting to the way many of us are used to. Which is frustrating, and I’m trying not to let me suspect him because I’m annoyed. Similar with VIVA.

This post may as well have not been made. It has nothing to do with the game.

Voting Bea.

[VOTE: Bea] aubergine

I don’t suspect her much, but I don’t have a read on her yet. And I want her to come out and play more.

Give me a better reason than this for why you voted bea, please. The last two posts set you up to look like you were making the most inoffensive vote possible.

@LoRab got any reads yet?

I don’t like how quiet it is. Suggests the mafia are under no real pressure at all. The game is coasting.

Not really. I’m not thinking about bea and kate until tomorrow. And really wanting to know what happened to bea. I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel goosed about because don’t want to help mafia. And not convinced the game secrets don’t contain weirdness that makes the allegiances less obvious than they seem.

Revising what I said before. I misremembered this post as LoRab talking about not wanting to explain her town reads, which I thought was a bad look because she lacked the clout needed for scum to want to react to them. Now reading it again, that's all because Scotty specified town reads in his ISO. What a nugget. I'm not concerned if she's holding back on her scum reads.

I still have absolutely no idea what is going on in LoRab's head besides "Scotty could be either good or bad".

Not repeating Scotty's ISO in here, I agree with all of it. You said you have more time, so I'd appreciate you using it to respond to this, and provide reads. [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

Do I “deserve” to be suspected? I mean, i don’t think I’ve ever played and not been suspected. Especially on here.

Indeed, I don’t have many reads. It’s day frigging 2 and I haven’t played in a while. Also, I tend to think more about mechanics than read early in games. Mainly because my reads on people come largely from pattern recognition of individual’s posts, which takes time.

To define terms: switchers= OMGUS. In the mafia culture I learned in, of which this site came from, that was the standard term.

Civvie roles that want to get voted out (often day 1) are not uncommon. And fake slipping is a way that role is often played.

I voted Bea because I usually read her fairly easily, but I don’t have a read on her yet. So I wanted her to know she has my eyeball on her.

I’m civ. I get that I’ve been quiet and that I don’t currently have strong reads. I also know that my style often reads bad on this site. I had thought maybe that would be the case in this old timers game, but here we are.

Im civv. Don’t know how to prove that or convince anyone of that. But none of what has been said about me is allignment indicative. It’s just me.

And, because someone will call me out if I don’t. Eye me all you want.

I unfortunately have yet to see you have any reads. This is different from your annoyance at being suspected for not having strong or many reads.
You even clarify that you don’t even have a read for bea, the only real person you’ve shown opinion for.

Furthermore, I don't see evidence in the thread of you thinking about mechanics either.

When one is being suspected and has to defend one's self, one has less time to come up with reads.

I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel good about because don’t want to help mafia

I think this point may make Lorab difficult to read, or cause us to default to suspicion against her. This mindset is a bit of a relic from an earlier era of Syndicate games, where sharing town reads was seen as a hindrance because it gave the mafia a team a roadmap of which players to kill first. This means we are unlikely to get the type of reads out of Lorab that we would normally want, even if she is town.

Indeed. And for a good several years before the syndicate existed.

I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel good about because don’t want to help mafia

I think this point may make Lorab difficult to read, or cause us to default to suspicion against her. This mindset is a bit of a relic from an earlier era of Syndicate games, where sharing town reads was seen as a hindrance because it gave the mafia a team a roadmap of which players to kill first. This means we are unlikely to get the type of reads out of Lorab that we would normally want, even if she is town.

What about mafia reads?

Like…we’re almost at the end of day 2. We’ve had 2 deaths and plenty of talking points.

It’s like going to get a massage and the first 7 sessions with the masseuse are them talking about all the pressure points they’re going to hit and how great it’s going to feel…while never touching you.

And here you are accusing a civ of being bad and making it even more difficult to think about reads.

I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel good about because don’t want to help mafia

I think this point may make Lorab difficult to read, or cause us to default to suspicion against her. This mindset is a bit of a relic from an earlier era of Syndicate games, where sharing town reads was seen as a hindrance because it gave the mafia a team a roadmap of which players to kill first. This means we are unlikely to get the type of reads out of Lorab that we would normally want, even if she is town.

To @LoRab I'll say this:

Unfortunately, the strategy of withholding town reads is unlikely to benefit you or anyone else in this game. For one, the majority of players in this game are not adhering to it. So even if you wish to keep your town reads secret, others are not inclined to do so. The advantage of "not helping mafia" is completely lost in this case. Instead, withholding your town reads is likely to only cause greater frustration for you and other civilians. You, because you may find it difficult to shake the suspicion against you. Others, because they will not find the type of content they are looking for from you.

Sharing town reads openly has become a central part of most players' approaches to game-solving. The idea is that civilians benefit from identifying one another and then working together, using process of elimination, to catch the bad guys. You may not agree with that approach. But it remains the case that there is little, if anything, to be gained by having one player opt not to share their town reads in an environment where the majority of players are freely expressing theirs.

I don't change my style because it is different from other people's. I don't agree with or disagree with that approach--but it isn't mine.

I want to reiterate that I’m not suspicious of LoRab not having town reads per se. She can do that just as much as Golden can be smug about the little hats he puts on all of our action figures on his bookshelf.

I’m more critical of the way she’s defending herself and promising more and giving less

I don't know how else to defend myself. You're right--I've been quiet. I haven't had reads to share. And that doesn't make me bad.

And, at this point, I don't have much time to formulate any before EOD, and will have to probably vote to save myself.

I ask you all the question: When I flip civvie, who are you going to suspect as a result?

You tell me

[Elohcin]

I think this is an easy vote. [VOTE: Lorab] aubergine has not only been unhelpful, she has had no shame in telling us she has been and will be unhelpful.

Linki: I definitely disagree. I think sheeping is lazy mafia play and you could be unknowingly following a baddie. I encourage everyone to read for themselves and make their own decisions. It's like going to the doctor and taking a medication they prescribe without reading up on it first. You may fuck yourself up in all kinds of ways bc of your blind trust. Nuh-uh. Sheeping is a no no in my book.

[DharmaHelper]

I think this is an easy vote. [VOTE: Lorab] aubergine has not only been unhelpful, she has had no shame in telling us she has been and will be unhelpful.

Linki: I definitely disagree. I think sheeping is lazy mafia play and you could be unknowingly following a baddie. I encourage everyone to read for themselves and make their own decisions. It's like going to the doctor and taking a medication they prescribe without reading up on it first. You may fuck yourself up in all kinds of ways bc of your blind trust. Nuh-uh. Sheeping is a no no in my book.

Interesting dichotomy here.

[thellama73]

When one is being suspected and has to defend one's self, one has less time to come up with reads.

False. That is when you should have the most time to come up with reads, because you can't defend yourself by saying "trust me I'm good!" The best defense is a good offense, or in other words, coming up with a suspect who makes more sense than you do.

[Spacedaisy]

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[thellama73]

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But they are voting with me. Don't take this away from me. It's all I have!

[Sloonei]

I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.

Have any of your reads developed since you shared all your work on Day 1?

Nobody would read them if I did anyway so who cares

I am asking explicitly because I want to talk about your reads with you. I don’t need fully detailed ISOs. I just want to see what progress has been made.

I don't feel any better about G-Man, I don't feel any better about Scotty, I don't think I feel any better about NAA/Vivax (and the propensity for Mafia to be substitute-priority doesn't help here)

Other than that I don't really care/don't have anything of substance to offer.

You say you don't feel better about three living players and a dead one. But do you feel worse about any of them?

[DharmaHelper]

I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.

Have any of your reads developed since you shared all your work on Day 1?

Nobody would read them if I did anyway so who cares

I am asking explicitly because I want to talk about your reads with you. I don’t need fully detailed ISOs. I just want to see what progress has been made.

I don't feel any better about G-Man, I don't feel any better about Scotty, I don't think I feel any better about NAA/Vivax (and the propensity for Mafia to be substitute-priority doesn't help here)

Other than that I don't really care/don't have anything of substance to offer.

You say you don't feel better about three living players and a dead one. But do you feel worse about any of them?

NAA/Vivax is still alive.

[DharmaHelper]

ISO of purely N1/D2 posts:

G-Man:

Spoiler: show

Says the Vivax lynch "simplifies" the game "for us". The rest is fairly fluffy/OT.

Overall Read - Not bothered to fuck with a guy who has IRL stuff he's doing, but also, miffed that he's not addressed my ISO from D1 so he's still suspicious to me.

Golden:

Spoiler: show

Mourns the Splints kill. Does some light tilde solving stuff. Back and forth with Scotty here Which doesn't last long

Offers some reads here Namely wants more from DF/LoRab and has no reads on Michelle, Kate, Doc. Less so on Doc.

Votes Quin because he's "coasting"

Thinks My D1 stuff was fine but my D2 stuff is suspect.
Pinged by my Scotty post
Feels Like Eloh Townslipped

And the rest is back and forth with me pretty much which is funny but not productive.

Oh and also a DFaraday vote instead of a Lorab vote which is incredibly safe and therefore suspicious. Only marginally less suspicious because of how consistent it is.

Overall Read - I don't think Golden is bad. In the world that he is though, he's teammates with Scotty.

Kate

Spoiler: show

Tail end of Day 1 (once she started playing) She seemd pretty keen on a Scotty suspicion The rest is Most if not all OT stuff so again, not much to go on. Only real "ping" here is that Kate managed all D1 without contributing much (Not to be mean, but it is true) and then was targeted by OT Green? Smacks of mafia self targeting to get a lynch pass.

Llama

Spoiler: show

Wants to look at people who avoided the Eloh/Sloonei Wagons which I think is smart.
Disagrees that the Splints kill was "bizarre"
Didn't read anything I posted
Posts an updated Rainbow List Which reads to me as largely empty. Classic trying to appear helpful but not actually being that helpful.
Feels worse about Scotty after realizing that he voted Quin
Is suspicious of LoRab and Quin for being blendy/quiet
Votes LoRab
Votes Quin shortly after
Offers this explanation. Seems measured.

Overall Read: Still fairly okay with putting LLama in the town camp but I am pinged by the rainbow list "contribution". Though his other thoughts/posts have been contributory enough to excuse that

Lorab

Spoiler: show

"RIPIYWG" splintsHere And posits that splints was a "good kill" if someone on the mafia team has knowledge of her past games/skills.
Doesn't offer any reads because she doesn't want to help mafia And is paranoid about game secrets.
Defends herself here and here

Overall Read - I dunno maybe I'm stupid but this feels like a bandwagon/easy lynch to me.

Anyway thats just so far. Combine Kate's being OT'd with her vote on LoRab and she rockets up my suspect list.

[bea]

I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.

There’s wifom all the way down with you today.

Yes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.

I don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.

It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.

Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.

I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.

No it doesn't because I read G-Man as bad and voted for him and repeatedly asked him to address my suspicions and he wouldn't.

No it doesn't because I explicitly said why I suspect G-Man and voted for G-Man.

Can someone please read any fucking post I make please God I'm begging you.

Yes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.

I don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.

It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.

Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.

I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.

thanks, keep that healthy suspicion on me.

I just rechecked DH’s ISO parade from yesterday and found his progression actually much smoother and logical than I remember. He does express the most suspicion on GMan, with some others sprinkled in. He even added his list of 5 people he would be willing to vote towards end of day, with GMan at the top.

Now, Elo was also on that list, and he didn’t go near that wagon and was fine standing pat on a vanity wagon, so that’s not the greatest look. But his suspicion progression isn’t out of nowhere

He fixated on you all freaking day until the isos. I liked the logic for his suspicion on the iso, and he did make the list of five that suddenly had G-Man at the top long enough to vote G-Man and not you...

And promptly seems to have forgotten his suspicion on G-Man ever existed.

His day one didn't ping me. His day two is what pings me.

That’s fair. His Day 2 attitude does seem to just be obstinate.

I think asking where his GMan suspicion is fair.

I could even unironically see a DH/GMan pairing even though I have GMan as a Townread. GMan was never taking off as a wagon yesterday.

If you are genuinely town, DH/Gman is an alternative, but less plausible in my mind, explanation for what was happening.

Scotty, you cannot legitimately tell me, if you've read his posts back, that he was not fixated on you all the way until the isos, and then again on day 2. He's married to you and he just flirted with G-Man when he saw him at the bar one night.

@DharmaHelper I want a divorce

Yeah well I want just one person to read anything I post so we don't always get what we want now do we.

I think this is an easy vote. [VOTE: Lorab] aubergine has not only been unhelpful, she has had no shame in telling us she has been and will be unhelpful.

Linki: I definitely disagree. I think sheeping is lazy mafia play and you could be unknowingly following a baddie. I encourage everyone to read for themselves and make their own decisions. It's like going to the doctor and taking a medication they prescribe without reading up on it first. You may fuck yourself up in all kinds of ways bc of your blind trust. Nuh-uh. Sheeping is a no no in my book.

Interesting dichotomy here.

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[Sloonei]

Oh I thought Vivax was posting as a resurrected player. Did not realize he’d subbed back in.

[DharmaHelper]

@Elohcin If you think sheeping is "lazy mafia play" do you find this post by Michelle suspicious?

[DharmaHelper]

Spoiler: show

I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.

There’s wifom all the way down with you today.

Yes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.

I don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.

It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.

Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.

I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.

No it doesn't because I read G-Man as bad and voted for him and repeatedly asked him to address my suspicions and he wouldn't.

No it doesn't because I explicitly said why I suspect G-Man and voted for G-Man.

Can someone please read any fucking post I make please God I'm begging you.

I don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.

It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.

Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.

I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.

thanks, keep that healthy suspicion on me.

I just rechecked DH’s ISO parade from yesterday and found his progression actually much smoother and logical than I remember. He does express the most suspicion on GMan, with some others sprinkled in. He even added his list of 5 people he would be willing to vote towards end of day, with GMan at the top.

Now, Elo was also on that list, and he didn’t go near that wagon and was fine standing pat on a vanity wagon, so that’s not the greatest look. But his suspicion progression isn’t out of nowhere

He fixated on you all freaking day until the isos. I liked the logic for his suspicion on the iso, and he did make the list of five that suddenly had G-Man at the top long enough to vote G-Man and not you...

And promptly seems to have forgotten his suspicion on G-Man ever existed.

His day one didn't ping me. His day two is what pings me.

That’s fair. His Day 2 attitude does seem to just be obstinate.

I think asking where his GMan suspicion is fair.

I could even unironically see a DH/GMan pairing even though I have GMan as a Townread. GMan was never taking off as a wagon yesterday.

If you are genuinely town, DH/Gman is an alternative, but less plausible in my mind, explanation for what was happening.

Scotty, you cannot legitimately tell me, if you've read his posts back, that he was not fixated on you all the way until the isos, and then again on day 2. He's married to you and he just flirted with G-Man when he saw him at the bar one night.

@DharmaHelper I want a divorce

Yeah well I want just one person to read anything I post so we don't always get what we want now do we.

I think this is an easy vote. [VOTE: Lorab] aubergine has not only been unhelpful, she has had no shame in telling us she has been and will be unhelpful.

Linki: I definitely disagree. I think sheeping is lazy mafia play and you could be unknowingly following a baddie. I encourage everyone to read for themselves and make their own decisions. It's like going to the doctor and taking a medication they prescribe without reading up on it first. You may fuck yourself up in all kinds of ways bc of your blind trust. Nuh-uh. Sheeping is a no no in my book.

Interesting dichotomy here.

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Thank you bea

[Elohcin]

@Elohcin If you think sheeping is "lazy mafia play" do you find this post by Michelle suspicious?

This was, in fact, the post that got me to ask what sheeping was. I don't necessarily find Michelle suspicious bc of it only because I'm guessing that sheeping is a new thing everyone does based on the explanation I was given of what it means. That said, this is an old school game and players (new or old) should put themselves in old-school mode. No one would have gotten away with "sheeping" 5-10 years ago. So, Michelle needs to rethink her strategy or suspicion will most certainly arise.

[Golden]

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

OK, properly and actually forcing myself to walk away for a bit now. I expect to be back before eod, but I think in terms of the thread it's better for my vote to be somewhere else right now, and DF is now officially at 'so quiet it's no longer just a town meta thing' levels.

Sorry for getting steamed DH.

You think DF is a better vote here than LoRab?

Interesting.

I've been so engaged with my thoughts on Quin and DH, and tbh feeling like day two has for me been 'why is everyone so quiet, could people please talk' and me getting perhaps stuck a bit in tunnelling on Quin and DH, that I admit I haven't given LoRab as much thought as others and have been skimming the posts casing her today. I'll engage in it before end of day though. I've cooled the jets a bit.

Instinct says 'LoRab keeping her reads to herself is NAI' and also that she isn't a non-poster in the way DF is. I haven't independently had LoRab ping me. But I'll catch up on the case.

[Golden]

Me, thinking 'are DH and Scotty w/w'

DH 'if Golden is bad he's bad with Scotty'

This is doing my head in!