Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]

[S~V~S]

Eh, I probably should have edited out more of those quotes. I underlined the salient bits, hopefully it's clear.

Actually those points of G Mans are what give me pause about him. Because in some ways I don’t disagree. I also think there is probably a baddie in You/Quin/Sloonei. Right now I’m leaning towards Sloonei. I felt this way having just spectated the thread, and you have ameliorated it to some extent

linki @Sloonei wete talking about who we would vote for if the rezz were triggered.

[Golden]

*Golden seems momentarily unaware that llama is dead.

Llama should be aware of his own death.

Deep philosophical question

[Vivax]

Eloh sounds a lot more relaxed/reliefed in her offtopic posts compared to normal game posts.
Being forced to write off-topic doesn't justify not voting though, so I don't like the look of that and if there's someone faking being offtopic-green'd, she's a good candidate (not to mention that there almost must have been a mafia pushing the lynch towards LoraB yesterday and Eloh could be as easy a lim as she was. But everyone just kinda forgot about Eloh up until the latest mention).

[Golden]

Eh, I probably should have edited out more of those quotes. I underlined the salient bits, hopefully it's clear.

Actually those points of G Mans are what give me pause about him. Because in some ways I don’t disagree. I also think there is probably a baddie in You/Quin/Sloonei. Right now I’m leaning towards Sloonei. I felt this way having just spectated the thread, and you have ameliorated it to some extent

linki @Sloonei wete talking about who we would vote for if the rezz were triggered.

The point is not so much the concept itself, as the fact that he never isos me or Sloonei but he vaccilates on his read with no apparent explanation beyond ‘there’s probably a mafia in the high posters’.

[Scotty]

*Golden seems momentarily unaware that llama is dead.

Llama should be aware of his own death.

Deep philosophical question

As the linki role told us at beginning of the day, there is no spoon.

[S~V~S]

Gotcha Golden, I missed that nuance.

[Sloonei]

Do you still feel this way, as opposed to say, Llama? Llama had a ton of content.

I'm going to read a bit, be on and off.

I’d vote for llama at this point.

Wanting fingersplints back was more an emotional response to losing a friend too soon.

But llama was my top town read (read alone, there are others I have as town based on placing them in specific roles. No clue on llama’s role).

I also think splints is more likely a wifom kill and llama more likely a defensive kill, could be wrong but that’s my instinct.

I noticed a potential Golden townslip yesterday but didn't say anything because I figured it wasn't necessary, and there was a chance he was fishing. Llama seems to be at least momentarily unaware that llama is dead. I feel like this is less likely to happen if he was one of the people responsible for butchering the llama.

As much as I’d love credit for a townslip, I knew llama was dead. That’s a convo about the rez poll.

Never mind then, Golden confirmed scum.

[Golden]

He did also iso nearly everyone else.

The town read on me and sloon was not long before he did the isos.

The POE was after he finished the isos.

So the changed read on us really sticks out to me when I iso him.

[Scotty]

@Sloonei how surprised would you be on a scale of {1} to {birds aren’t real} if Quin were to flip bad?

[Scotty]

He did also iso nearly everyone else.

The town read on me and sloon was not long before he did the isos.

The POE was after he finished the isos.

So the changed read on us really sticks out to me when I iso him.

Progression aside, if GMan were to flip today and flips town, then I would absolutely be going down his tinfoil route too

[Golden]

@bea not sure whether you’re allowed to answer this but did you know whether your voweling was a curse or a punishment? Just yes or no is fine (if you’re allowed)

Also q for the crowd ahead of a bea response…

If sig genuinely thinks he’s been cursed by a third party at this point, is that AI?

If sig knows he’s been punished for not voting, is calling it a curse AI?

[Vivax]

Do you still feel this way, as opposed to say, Llama? Llama had a ton of content.

I'm going to read a bit, be on and off.

I’d vote for llama at this point.

Wanting fingersplints back was more an emotional response to losing a friend too soon.

But llama was my top town read (read alone, there are others I have as town based on placing them in specific roles. No clue on llama’s role).

I also think splints is more likely a wifom kill and llama more likely a defensive kill, could be wrong but that’s my instinct.

I noticed a potential Golden townslip yesterday but didn't say anything because I figured it wasn't necessary, and there was a chance he was fishing. Llama seems to be at least momentarily unaware that llama is dead. I feel like this is less likely to happen if he was one of the people responsible for butchering the llama.

As much as I’d love credit for a townslip, I knew llama was dead. That’s a convo about the rez poll.

Never mind then, Golden confirmed scum.

lol

[Scotty]

At this stage in the game, I don’t think it is out of the question mafia would be cutting losses and having a slight bussing party either. 4 mafia can’t hide forever (unless town is completely dysfunctional) and if GMan is bad, I wouldn’t rule out some of the ones that are currently on him or have talked about voting him

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei how surprised would you be on a scale of {1} to {birds aren’t real} if Quin were to flip bad?

I would not be super shocked. I still believe he is town, but that is no longer my strongest read in the game. He is another player I plan to revisit if I have the time. My read on him has not updated much since Day 1, while other reads have strengthened.

[Scotty]

@bea not sure whether you’re allowed to answer this but did you know whether your voweling was a curse or a punishment? Just yes or no is fine (if you’re allowed)

Also q for the crowd ahead of a bea response…

If sig genuinely thinks he’s been cursed by a third party at this point, is that AI?

If sig knows he’s been punished for not voting, is calling it a curse AI?

Orpheus knew he would be cursed to lose Eurydice if he looked behind him. A curse is a curse, whether or not it is something you could control or not

[Sloonei]

@bea not sure whether you’re allowed to answer this but did you know whether your voweling was a curse or a punishment? Just yes or no is fine (if you’re allowed)

Also q for the crowd ahead of a bea response…

If sig genuinely thinks he’s been cursed by a third party at this point, is that AI?

If sig knows he’s been punished for not voting, is calling it a curse AI?

If it's genuine, I think it might be a slight town indicator. A curse like this is clearly not pro-town, so if it belonged to a player, it would almost certainly be an anti-town role. If sig was mafia, he would know that this is not the case. But this is not a sure thing, and Mafia Sig could still believe he was cursed by a town player.

If sig knows it's a punishment but is treating it as a role-induced curse, that is not a great look.

[Vivax]

At this stage in the game, I don’t think it is out of the question mafia would be cutting losses and having a slight bussing party either. 4 mafia can’t hide forever (unless town is completely dysfunctional) and if GMan is bad, I wouldn’t rule out some of the ones that are currently on him or have talked about voting him

I don‘t understand the G-Man wagon too well. Nothing really stuck out to me as bad, but maybe that‘s the point.
Wouldn‘t be my preferred pick, but I don‘t have the sort of confidence to impede the wagon.

I wouldn‘t mind a reboot of D1 though if a few decide to feel adventurous.

[Scotty]

@Sloonei how surprised would you be on a scale of {1} to {birds aren’t real} if Quin were to flip bad?

I would not be super shocked. I still believe he is town, but that is no longer my strongest read in the game. He is another player I plan to revisit if I have the time. My read on him has not updated much since Day 1, while other reads have strengthened.

@Golden does this answer make you feel
A) better about Sloonei
B) worse about Sloonei
C) both a and d
D) neither b or c

[Scotty]

I’ll be seeing a show tonite during end of day so I probably need to get my final vote in in the next couple hours.

I also see poll ends almost an hour late today. Heads up everyone!

[S~V~S]

TBH, if I have a posting requirement I call it a curse regardless of who afflicted me with it. Another player or host induced punishments alike.

[Golden]

TBH, if I have a posting requirement I call it a curse regardless of who afflicted me with it. Another player or host induced punishments alike.

He accused me of being the curser, specifically, so slightly different than merely calling it a curse.

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Gmon] aubergine

[Golden]

I showered on it… I think I tend to agree it’s NAI and interrogation might get further clarity.

[Scotty]

ohh I misread his post

I didn’t see the poll first and I’ve not expressed any discomfort in voting sig in the least, *especially* given he followed through on ignoring the day.

Slomy muvi iothir carsir ur mefoe lien


[VOTE: Golden] aubergine

sii yua ell pust carsi ixpict bog bog pust (meybi)

“Slimy move either curser or mafia line/lean

See you all post curse expect big big post maybe

This sounds like a convenient vote and reason.

[Golden]

@Sloonei how surprised would you be on a scale of {1} to {birds aren’t real} if Quin were to flip bad?

I would not be super shocked. I still believe he is town, but that is no longer my strongest read in the game. He is another player I plan to revisit if I have the time. My read on him has not updated much since Day 1, while other reads have strengthened.

@Golden does this answer make you feel
A) better about Sloonei
B) worse about Sloonei
C) both a and d
D) neither b or c

First reaction, shock.
Second reaction “is there a good reason for this post within ny current worldview?”
Third reaction - no I don’t think so.

What bothers me most about this is:

1) Sloonei disrupted significant heat on Quin with his read and
2? He never seemed bothered to contradict my rationale for trust.

[Michelle]

Thu nuxt as DrW. Thuru as enu pest A dadn't laku frem ham bit A fult geed obeit thu lackang enus

Net fer tedoy

[Golden]

Honestly I don’t have time for this shit lol

Scotty you’ve thrown my worldview of the game out the window and I don’t have time to fix it before the vote. I bite my thumb at thee. (But also, I do appreciate you pointing out something salient when I can’t read everything).

[Michelle]

A con't kuup lengur my uyus epun

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei how surprised would you be on a scale of {1} to {birds aren’t real} if Quin were to flip bad?

I would not be super shocked. I still believe he is town, but that is no longer my strongest read in the game. He is another player I plan to revisit if I have the time. My read on him has not updated much since Day 1, while other reads have strengthened.

@Golden does this answer make you feel
A) better about Sloonei
B) worse about Sloonei
C) both a and d
D) neither b or c

First reaction, shock.
Second reaction “is there a good reason for this post within ny current worldview?”
Third reaction - no I don’t think so.

What bothers me most about this is:

1) Sloonei disrupted significant heat on Quin with his read and
2? He never seemed bothered to contradict my rationale for trust.

Sometimes the simplest answer is also the correct one.

I town read Quin on Days 1 and 2 when no one else did. On Day 3, I still feel like he is town, but the state of the game demands that I reexamine that stance at some point.

[S~V~S]

A con't kuup lengur my uyus epun

Good Night!

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Might change it again but right now he’s my top suspect.

[Golden]

@Sloonei how surprised would you be on a scale of {1} to {birds aren’t real} if Quin were to flip bad?

I would not be super shocked. I still believe he is town, but that is no longer my strongest read in the game. He is another player I plan to revisit if I have the time. My read on him has not updated much since Day 1, while other reads have strengthened.

@Golden does this answer make you feel
A) better about Sloonei
B) worse about Sloonei
C) both a and d
D) neither b or c

First reaction, shock.
Second reaction “is there a good reason for this post within ny current worldview?”
Third reaction - no I don’t think so.

What bothers me most about this is:

1) Sloonei disrupted significant heat on Quin with his read and
2? He never seemed bothered to contradict my rationale for trust.

Sometimes the simplest answer is also the correct one.

I town read Quin on Days 1 and 2 when no one else did. On Day 3, I still feel like he is town, but the state of the game demands that I reexamine that stance at some point.

Did you feel like you had a clear understanding on why I had a town read of you?

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei how surprised would you be on a scale of {1} to {birds aren’t real} if Quin were to flip bad?

I would not be super shocked. I still believe he is town, but that is no longer my strongest read in the game. He is another player I plan to revisit if I have the time. My read on him has not updated much since Day 1, while other reads have strengthened.

@Golden does this answer make you feel
A) better about Sloonei
B) worse about Sloonei
C) both a and d
D) neither b or c

First reaction, shock.
Second reaction “is there a good reason for this post within ny current worldview?”
Third reaction - no I don’t think so.

What bothers me most about this is:

1) Sloonei disrupted significant heat on Quin with his read and
2? He never seemed bothered to contradict my rationale for trust.

Sometimes the simplest answer is also the correct one.

I town read Quin on Days 1 and 2 when no one else did. On Day 3, I still feel like he is town, but the state of the game demands that I reexamine that stance at some point.

Did you feel like you had a clear understanding on why I had a town read of you?

I did not think it was so reliant on certain aspects as to call the read into question if those aspects disappeared. I also was not in a position to argue with you about your read on me.

[Golden]

I ISO’d sig. a couple of takeaways.

1) I remembered why I town read him day one. There’s some genuine solvey/read stuff in there.

2) he posted more than it felt like to me on day 2 (twelve times). If I had been guessing I would have said twice.

3) there’s a decent chunk of wifom going on… like ‘if Sloonei flips bad I wish I’d stayed on him for the civ cred’, stuff like that… I think if sig is bad there’s plenty of hints of where to look.

That being said, overall my read of the iso relaxes me a bit. Interested still on Beas thoughts on the curse.

Overall - iso of G-man made me feel worse
Iso of sig made me feel better.

Feel like I’m showing up late to the party and all the cake is gone but:

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

[Sloonei]

But I also do not think my answer to Scotty's latest question should be earth-shattering. I'd said similar things multiple times before now.

[Golden]

@Sloonei how surprised would you be on a scale of {1} to {birds aren’t real} if Quin were to flip bad?

I would not be super shocked. I still believe he is town, but that is no longer my strongest read in the game. He is another player I plan to revisit if I have the time. My read on him has not updated much since Day 1, while other reads have strengthened.

@Golden does this answer make you feel
A) better about Sloonei
B) worse about Sloonei
C) both a and d
D) neither b or c

First reaction, shock.
Second reaction “is there a good reason for this post within ny current worldview?”
Third reaction - no I don’t think so.

What bothers me most about this is:

1) Sloonei disrupted significant heat on Quin with his read and
2? He never seemed bothered to contradict my rationale for trust.

Sometimes the simplest answer is also the correct one.

I town read Quin on Days 1 and 2 when no one else did. On Day 3, I still feel like he is town, but the state of the game demands that I reexamine that stance at some point.

Did you feel like you had a clear understanding on why I had a town read of you?

I did not think it was so reliant on certain aspects as to call the read into question if those aspects disappeared. I also was not in a position to argue with you about your read on me.

Ok, I don’t think this is unfair. Worldview partially restored.

[Golden]

But I also do not think my answer to Scotty's latest question should be earth-shattering. I'd said similar things multiple times before now.

I haven’t kept up with the thread on day 3. It was the first thing I saw that was so blunt, at least.

[Golden]

Ok, time I must go, don’t know whether I’ll get back before eod or not.

[Vivax]

Village reads of mine are the only folks with votes. What’s a guy to do?


[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

And now?

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

The elements I have consumed so far.

Up to page 4, Some snails, a cup of emotional damage, spot reading whenever I'm online, Sig's ISO, Splints ISO, and a 4th cup of sodium acetate.

Then I saw the iso and decided against it.

This is the part I'm interested. What did you see in his ISO that changed your mind?

My brother. It was waffley as fuck in normal sig fashion. Didn't taste like waffle tho.

You should write a cookbook. “Wilgy’s Bizarre and Inedible Edibles”

I'd make sure it was honey roasted echidna flavored

[Sloonei]

My impression of Vivax right now is that he wants Sloonei to be mafia more so than he thinks Sloonei js mafia. Is this a fair assessment?

[G-Man]

Village reads of mine are the only folks with votes. What’s a guy to do?


[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

You read sig as villager?

Sig:
Sig's ISO feels a lot like Quin's ISO, except that I liked it more. Most of it feels authentic, though his voting record sucks and I agree that it's not comforting to see him appear willing to coast today due to his posting affliction. It's soft, but I'll nudge him up out of the poe.

You bump him out of the POW because his ISO feels authentic, even though his votes suck and you agree with others that he’s coasting.

Huh.

Vibes.


I've waited so long to be able to lead off with that word!
You all just never posed the opportunity to me until now.

[Vivax]

My impression of Vivax right now is that he wants Sloonei to be mafia more so than he thinks Sloonei js mafia. Is this a fair assessment?

Both are fair.
But wagonomics also demand votes on you

[G-Man]

I think the baddies were sitting back, figuring they could spend two days taking out DH and then maybe even Kate when DH flipped civ.

So there’s a little scrambling going on here.

We really need to lynch a baddie today. There are 3, maybe 4, people I won’t vote for, and I would rather not vote for the insanified.

But although I still feel GMan is not his civ self, I could move.

I think at this point, no mercy should be given to someone with the simple letter switching insanity. It’s common knowledge since Day 2 when bea and DF got it.
Michelle and sig should get no passes today because of their affliction

Visceral instinct told me not to vote Michelle even though I find her a little more suspicious than Quin because it would be viewed as poor form to start a chop train on a player with a posting restriction. It's a pretty old-school mindset, but I get where you're coming from. She failed to vote, so it's her own fault for the posting restriction. Definitely be wary of anyone else 'accidentally' missing the vote from here on out. Show no mercy!

Vamoosing for a bit to get some work done (because, like it or not, playing mafia doesn't pay the bills). Here's where my ISO's stand so far:

Towncore:
-Bea
-Eloh
-G-Man
-Kate

POE:
-DF
-DrWilgy


More to come tonight.

It always gives me the heebie-jeebies when someone puts themself in their own town core.

It's a bit of old-school whimsy, you ninny. Trying to keep it as light as I can when I'm on the hot seat, you know? Besides, did anyone get weird about it when Llama did it?

[Sloonei]

My impression of Vivax right now is that he wants Sloonei to be mafia more so than he thinks Sloonei js mafia. Is this a fair assessment?

Both are fair.
But wagonomics also demand votes on you

No they do not.

[G-Man]

OK, maybe I'm a bit self-centred, but I can't help but notice G-Man's obsession with me and sloonei (and scotty to some, but a lesser, extent) - but without poking the bear too much. This progression goes from day one to day three, and I don't *think* I've omitted anything that explains it. There's certainly no evidence of, say, isos to progress the reads on sloonei or myself.

Spoiler: show

I want to chop a baddie today, but if we have to mischop, then I'd rather we be wrong about a player whose interactions we can parse through for clues than someone who leaves us stranded in a field with a bag of sand to pound.

Voting for Golden the Coward for poopooing on my attempts to sort out game mechanics to the civvies’ advantage. He’s also high post-count, which gives us lots to chew on, right or wrong. His tone is pretty level, but that (along with his posting volume) could be a ploy to place him right at radar level. He’s present, posting, and engaged. At this early stage it’s easy enough to give someone like him a pass for a few days just on those qualities alone.

[VOTE: Golden the Coward] aubergine


I have a meeting tonight that may push right up to eod. I’ll hang around up to the start of the meeting, but I can’t promise that I’ll make it back before the flip.

Vanishing for most of the phase was not my intention. Here is a short version of what I have so far:

Several tiers based on participation-

Big Talk- Scotty, Sloonei, Golden coward, DH- I would be shocked if there wasn’t a baddie in that group. Maybe two, but lots of productive chatter for the most part.

Llama in a tier of his own, but I still feel loose llama is good llama.

VivAxe or Viv2.0, Eloh, Michelle, Quin- mixed bag here. Eloh was sussed yesterday, Viv2.0 is a reset and still murky on D1 NAA read, Michelle feels most ambiguous (her posts didn’t make any impression on me), and same goes for Quin. These folks are at radar-level. I need to ISO to see if I detected a skimmer.

Kate, sig, Bea, Wilgy- 1/2 seem off the table today and the sig is less memorable that Wilgy licking everything in sight. Under the radar crew- also need ISOs to find manufactured content.


G-Man, LoRab, DF- low posters. Not ideal to find myself in that camp that must be ‘dealt with’ before too long. I saw points about LR’s evasiveness but I’m not exactly one to harp on that without being a hypocrite just yet. DF… just needs to show up for the weekend and get some content before he becomes an afterthought to everything happening in the present.

I will try to speed read the day and make a vote after I get back from wife’s birthday dinner.

Too many null reads for me right now- not a good look. Need to get my head back in the game and sort out some townclears to help my poe.

Variations on a Read List, Part 1
by G-Man

When I left off, I was trying to form a towncore. What I was left with sucks, even for a starter kit:

Towncore:

-bea
-thellama73

That's it, and it is so not adequate enough for this stage of the game. I like the looseness of Llama's play. He gets a little more serious when it matters, but he never gets too srsbsnss to the point that it feels forced. Bea's return to the game had a very good look to it. She spent a day with a posting quirk but her return shows that she didn't just use that as an excuse to take a day off. She showed that she was paying attention. I would expect a baddie at her prior level of activity to use that quirk to coast and just come back apologetic about checking out for too long.

I'd like to take this time to add to the conversation that my initial hunch on Bea's posting quirk had something to do with one of the Socky awards. The Socky has a few awards at their disposal, but we don't know what they do. My guess is that this role is like a Jack of All Trades and has a quiver of 1-shot power uses. The likeliest match would be Best Gambit. We won't know for sure until endgame though. It certainly could be the Vomp role, but I guess LoRab's death means we won't be getting anything more than E out of those tildes.



Civ-Leans:

-Eloh
-Golden
-Scotty
-Sloonei

I still feel like the suspicion of Eloh was overblown on D1. There was some speculation later about a townslip but I have to read back more for that. The other three all sound so darn supatown but I have to confess that I can't keep them straight in my head when reading the thread. ISO's will help. I don't know if it's a processing issue on my brain's part, but all their super-sleuthing voices run together in my head. It is frustrating and I don't know how to break myself of it. It happens in just about every game that I play- voices just merge in my head and I struggle to distinguish them as individuals. ISO'ing these folks is no picnic either, as they have posted an outsized share of the game thread. I still maintain that there's bound to be a baddie among the most talkative players. There almost always is. Otherwise the talkative players would eventually harmonize and the poe becomes simpler. Maybe there's more to distinguish them since this morning.

Vocal players are vocal. Here's my two cents:

-Scotty should be in everyone's towncore. His logic and non-emotional approach is what is needed to win the game. Fight me.

-DH's emotions got the better of him and I just don't see that coming from a baddie DH who wasn't cornered yet. S~V~S (*waves*) made a good point about how DH would use the baddie chat to vent. If you have a chat, that's where one vents to keep you from going all Johnny Fairplay with the AtE. I read DH as town and S~V~S gets a heaping portion of benefit of the doubt as a result. I haven't seen anything tricksy from her yet, and I've witnessed her tricksy firsthand before.

-I said a while back that there's got to be a baddie among the big talkers or else this game would harmonize. That leaves Sloonei and Golden. Since my efforts are already eliciting snickers and eyerolls, I suspect my name is the only real option on the chopping block today. That's fine. Take that and learn from it, but be sure to Thunderdome Sloonei and Golden at some point soon, because one of them has to be bad or this game is whack. Golden got a little emotional right back at DH Night 2, and Sloonei is the inverse- that sort of emotionless Spock thing.

All four of these folks are game-solving (which is what I was going for when I said supatown- don't get hung up on semantics), but there's gotta be a baddie in there. Weeding out Scotty and DH/S~V~S, and that pushes both Sloonei and Golden into the poe for Thunderdome.


Not the POE (because Towncore is apparently too strong a term for casual use):
-Bea
-DH/S~V~S
-Eloh
-Kate
-Scotty
-Sig
-VivAxe


POE:
-DF
-DrWilgy
-Golden the Coward
-Michelle
-Quin
-Sloonei


All names are in alphabetical order. I can parse through my notes in the morning to try to rank them in a more concrete fashion. Right now I need sleep (and a new dehumidifier).

G-Man is consistently coming back to this idea of 'a high poster may be bad' but he never justifies it with a read, it's just consistently articulated as though it must be true and that's where people should look.

Vanity doesn't suit you.

But you are correct. It's not a reads-based conclusions. It's a probability-based conclusion. It's just a gut feeling based on how many times at least one high-posting player has been mafia throughout history. I could be wrong, but that makes town's D1 and D2 disasters look rather sophomoric.

[VOTE: Gmon] aubergine

Ya, mon?
Sorry, I couldn't help myself!

[G-Man]

Viewing the inverted-vowel text and deciphering it has been surprisingly easy and not as disruptive as it may have been intended. It's like it took a few posts for my brain to recalibrate, but I find myself slipping right into reading and comprehending most of what the inverted players say every time. It's a fascinating rapid phenomenon. Anyone else finding it almost second nature?

[Vivax]

My impression of Vivax right now is that he wants Sloonei to be mafia more so than he thinks Sloonei js mafia. Is this a fair assessment?

Both are fair.
But wagonomics also demand votes on you

No they do not.

Alternative is having a G-man wagon and scattered votes on zero-chance lynched

[DrWilgy]

My impression of Vivax right now is that he wants Sloonei to be mafia more so than he thinks Sloonei js mafia. Is this a fair assessment?

Both are fair.
But wagonomics also demand votes on you

Ooh, Wagonomics is like, the word to get me lickin. I may even bite.

[bea]

@bea not sure whether you’re allowed to answer this but did you know whether your voweling was a curse or a punishment? Just yes or no is fine (if you’re allowed)

Also q for the crowd ahead of a bea response…

If sig genuinely thinks he’s been cursed by a third party at this point, is that AI?

If sig knows he’s been punished for not voting, is calling it a curse AI?

Crrrraaaap work turned left quick and here I am (after a clopen and a missed dr's apt in the parking lot trying to catch up before close time.)

No I didnt know it in the moment. Only starteed to put it togeyher when df was cursed too.

[G-Man]

Voting for Sloonei in this situation feels superfluous, so I don't think I will change my vote.

If I'm right about one of Golden the Coward or Sloonei being a big-talking baddie, then the risk of mischopping a town Slooeni today in a choice between me and him is that D4 will just be another round of "G-Man is obvs bad" and productive conversation will die. You'll mischop me and wind up in a D5 mylo. I'd rather be the mischop today and keep productive conversation alive than being the mischop de jure tomorrow that pushes us into mylo.