Re: An Australian Country Murder Mystery (Day 2)
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:47 pm
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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nutella kicks things off with a non-judgmental assessment of Michelle's perceived habits. Okay.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:51 pm Tony's entrance is ehhhh
G's is good if a little heavy-handed but I respect that he wants some meta. G-Man Michelle tends to ask people a lot of questions (kinda like juliets actually now that I think about it). LLD I've only played with once and the game is still going so I probably shouldn't talk about it. Tony and sabie I've played with a handful more times but couldn't really give you much specific description of their styles, I think they both vary a fair amount.
Quin is schooling the rest of us on the aussie slang. Idk if I'll even try. Uh, who's coming to my sausage sizzle?
This is a complicated post. Would Mafia #1 proclaim their confidence at reading Mafia #2 right off the bat? That's setting yourself up for danger down the line. Going off memory (I'll find out soon enough), nutella never seemed to settle on a strong read of michelle one way or the other, so this initial statement is not borne out in the present game, but that does not necessarily mean that it came from a dishonest place.
I'd raise the same point as above, but this time we're cranking it up to 11. If nutella is michelle's partner then she's practically begging us to choose a wine glass. I am inclined to say that the potential benefit of posts like this is too obscure to outweigh the potential harm.
Here we return to the Super WIFOM. This read is a bit of a shrug so I can't give nutella too much credit for it. In spite of her previous claim of confidence in reading Michelle, she's produced no read on Michelle. Here is another shrug. Here is a generic prod.
The bottom paragraph feels a bit limp, as though nutella is the one who knows Michelle will flip bad.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:33 amWhat is wrong with my vote for sabie? I think there is a case on her, and fwiw I don't think she would be "stupid" to have killed Jack here, or that it's too easy of a WIFOM argument to make. I think it makes sense in conjunction with her slight push of me which she seems to be backing off of now that nobody is biting.
And what link do you see between me and Michelle? I mean, I townread her What, do you know she'll flip bad and you want to line up a townie to take the fall?
I am noticing a trend. If I were asked to summarize nutella's handling of Michelle on Day 2 in a word, I'd say timid. She looks like she's afraid to commit to or say anything significant about Michelle. Where's the fire and the spice we're all so used to seeing from nutella?nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:41 amCould be something. Could be that she's just working from a townread of Sloonei and seeing potential pocket behavior. I've definitely done similar things as town, it doesn't require TMI to see things like that if you have the corresponding read biases on those players.
I'll take it into consideration though. Michelle could be scum here. I don't feel too strongly about her yet.
mmm, this might have described Michelle early on Day 1, but not so much late in that phase, and definitely not at all on Day 2.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:43 amIt's still not a strong read but her tone sounds genuine and solvey in a way I'm used to Michelle being, like asking lots of nitpicky questions and focusing a lot on exchanges with players she suspects. She can get kinda tunnelly which might be why you didn't like her Tony progression while I thought it was consistent with her town style.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:36 amWhy do you townread her?nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:33 amWhat is wrong with my vote for sabie? I think there is a case on her, and fwiw I don't think she would be "stupid" to have killed Jack here, or that it's too easy of a WIFOM argument to make. I think it makes sense in conjunction with her slight push of me which she seems to be backing off of now that nobody is biting.
And what link do you see between me and Michelle? I mean, I townread her What, do you know she'll flip bad and you want to line up a townie to take the fall?
Why?
She votes for Quin after I'd moved my pair of votes to the red headed australian. She stuck there til the end of the day.
I already got that sixteen years ago.
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:43 pmSounds like it was you. [VOTE: sabie] auberginesabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:39 pm Hmmm the plot thickens. Jack and tony both felt pretty confidently that nutella was bad and now they both have flipped civ. I've been iffy on nutella from the beginning and am inclined to believe maybe tony and jack were right about her. Putting my vote there for now.[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
Long Con is bad.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:20 pmSloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:08 pmJust noting that sabie also used the "bad guys talk about mechanics" argument against Tony.sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:23 pm I've noticed in past games sometimes the mafia players will focus on rules and gameplay so they're participating but not really having to say any reads. I thought maybe he was trying to appear helpful to town. He also made it a point to say he needed time to read jack and if he gets killed jack probably killed him. He was focusing a lot on jack and I was thinking maybe they could be teammates based on the way I've seen both of them play when mafia in the past. Also you had made a decent case on tony that I felt made sense at the time.
I'll have to look more closely at jack and nutella.
I am very willing to revisit this feeling I had D1.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:57 pmLong Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:43 pmSounds like it was you. [VOTE: sabie] auberginesabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:39 pm Hmmm the plot thickens. Jack and tony both felt pretty confidently that nutella was bad and now they both have flipped civ. I've been iffy on nutella from the beginning and am inclined to believe maybe tony and jack were right about her. Putting my vote there for now.[VOTE: nutella] aubergineLong Con is bad.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:20 pmSloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:08 pmJust noting that sabie also used the "bad guys talk about mechanics" argument against Tony.sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:23 pm I've noticed in past games sometimes the mafia players will focus on rules and gameplay so they're participating but not really having to say any reads. I thought maybe he was trying to appear helpful to town. He also made it a point to say he needed time to read jack and if he gets killed jack probably killed him. He was focusing a lot on jack and I was thinking maybe they could be teammates based on the way I've seen both of them play when mafia in the past. Also you had made a decent case on tony that I felt made sense at the time.
I'll have to look more closely at jack and nutella.
Just confirming that this exchange still exists. I don't know what to do with it. It's an interaction. It's casual but on-topic.
This also exists. Quin would engage with it no further. I think the theory can be picked back up now.
This vote is totally isolated. No one else was on nutella. It doesn't seem like Quin really had a grasp on what was happening today. As such it is difficult to make any judgments here. He's a player in this game who has offered a few scant opinions on isolated topics. He does not seem to possess a comprehensive view of this game and has no meaningful interactions with Michelle. So... suspect by absence of reasons to not be a suspect.
Michelle is not directly involved here, but sabie seems to pursue the same angle of suspicion against Tony as Michelle on Day 1.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:31 pm I might as well look at sabie's vote as well.I notice sabie seems to support Michelle's point about Tony's lynch math being "sketchy", but I continue to not know why that is the case. Sabie, what did you find suspicious about Tony counting the number of mislynches? And how does this lynch change the way you see Jack and nutella, if at all?sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:33 am I have suspicions on all three of the people with votes. In looking through Tony's posts a lot of his focus is on jack. He makes it a point to say "if I'm nightkilled jack is scum" and that he needs a few days to figure him out subtle ways of saying dont lynch me im town without actually saying it. When he was mafia in the past his main focus of discussion was his own teammates so if they got killed off he could be like see I'm not bad. Ive seen jack do this as well. Also his post making it a point to say how many mislynches we can have was a little sketchy. I see a lot of fair points on him and he hasnt done much to counteract these points.
Jack I've expressed my suspicion on him. There's a fair amount of back and forth discussion on him but I'm still leaning towards thinking he is mafia.
Nutella can be very difficult to read as she does often follow the waves of the thread but her response to things so far hasn't made me feel confident about her being town.
This day 1 is hard there are fair points on all three. Voting tony as I feel worst about him and his efforts thus far.
She vaguely agrees with unspecified arguments against Michelle.sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:05 am I actually just suck at this game. I was not suggesting that nutella wanted to take them out because they suspected her. I thought nutella was suspicious from the beginning. Both jack and Tony had suspected her so I put my vote there for now. I was more so saying maybe she's worth another look since both of them seemed pretty confident she was bad and she was the main suspicion that both of them shared. Apparently, that point didn't make sense to anyone, but me.
The suspicions on michelle make sense and people have good points on her. She was another one I was going to look at.
This is a brief reason for suspicion against Michelle. I can't do much with it, but I appreciate that sabie at least attempts to take a stance on every player in this post. Michelle is clearly in the negative pile.sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:10 pm Sorry all didnt mean to be all crazy about everything. I just get frustrated sometimes. Not anyone's fault. I'll come back to this a little later when I'm not all stressed from work stuff.
In response to sloonei I've been town reading him and gman for thier efforts in trying to get discussion going and make cases.
LC seems to be putting in little effort this game so I'm not sure about him. I thought he usually did more but maybe that's his usual? I recall his reasoning for tony suspicion being because sloonei said so. Michelle kind of just says a few things here and there without really saying anything. I think she definitely could be bad. And I thought nutella was sketchy initially but no one else seems to agree with that so.
I don't know if I've seen enough from quin or dom to think anything of. Definitley nothing on lady? She had like one post?
DF is trying to participate at the urging of jack so good on him for that.
Epi is just kinda throwing votes around wherever he feels like.
She votes for Michelle here. I thought Michelle's response to this post looked like a mafia member searching for a way to build up to a case against their accuser, but that never really materialized. Regardless, my response is a favorable one for sabie.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:09 pm Dom is right I am moving my vote to Michelle right now. She at least popped in to kind of respond to accusations on her but I'm not really feeling she's trying to defend anything that anyone throws her way for suspicions. Her reasoning for suspecting tony wasn't explained well and she doesn't seem to be trying to do so.
Also I'm not sure what to think of the sloonei/epi dynamic. I have been seeing it as epi doesnt really have time to play so he just kinda throws suspicion around and does whatever he feels like because he's not super invested in it.
[VOTE: michelle] aubergine
No, absolutely not. I am a legit Civ.Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:59 pmI am very willing to revisit this feeling I had D1.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:57 pmLong Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:43 pmSounds like it was you. [VOTE: sabie] auberginesabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:39 pm Hmmm the plot thickens. Jack and tony both felt pretty confidently that nutella was bad and now they both have flipped civ. I've been iffy on nutella from the beginning and am inclined to believe maybe tony and jack were right about her. Putting my vote there for now.[VOTE: nutella] aubergineLong Con is bad.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:20 pmSloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:08 pmJust noting that sabie also used the "bad guys talk about mechanics" argument against Tony.sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:23 pm I've noticed in past games sometimes the mafia players will focus on rules and gameplay so they're participating but not really having to say any reads. I thought maybe he was trying to appear helpful to town. He also made it a point to say he needed time to read jack and if he gets killed jack probably killed him. He was focusing a lot on jack and I was thinking maybe they could be teammates based on the way I've seen both of them play when mafia in the past. Also you had made a decent case on tony that I felt made sense at the time.
I'll have to look more closely at jack and nutella.
My wife and I used to play S & M.sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:14 am Sorry I wasn't around for end of day I was playing d and d. Glad we got a good result!
I feel like we need to hear more from quin LC and DF. Quin and LC especially seem to be putting little effort and not making a lot of sense with some of their posts. oh and lady if she ever decides to play this game.
I have to sleep but I'll be around as much as I can be.
I uh, don't know what to do with this information.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:16 amMy wife and I used to play S & M.sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:14 am Sorry I wasn't around for end of day I was playing d and d. Glad we got a good result!
I feel like we need to hear more from quin LC and DF. Quin and LC especially seem to be putting little effort and not making a lot of sense with some of their posts. oh and lady if she ever decides to play this game.
I have to sleep but I'll be around as much as I can be.
Too bad she doesn't have D & D.
You're not supposed to do anything with it, you pervert.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:19 amI uh, don't know what to do with this information.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:16 amMy wife and I used to play S & M.sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:14 am Sorry I wasn't around for end of day I was playing d and d. Glad we got a good result!
I feel like we need to hear more from quin LC and DF. Quin and LC especially seem to be putting little effort and not making a lot of sense with some of their posts. oh and lady if she ever decides to play this game.
I have to sleep but I'll be around as much as I can be.
Too bad she doesn't have D & D.
nutella has my number. She doesn't have my number today.
I decidedly wasn't lazy. I was active and made use of my time here.nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:50 pm@Sloonei I take it you still townread Epi as per the second post here? Any additional thoughts? I'm not inspired by his posts so far this phase, but by his own admission he's not heavily invested in putting much effort into this game so I probably shouldn't read alignment into his laziness.
I guess I can't fault him for sheeping you, you're one of my stronger town reads so far. But part of me says I shouldn't put it past him to buddy you and hide behind the lazy approach.
Two thousand zero zero party over oops out of timenutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:33 amWhat is wrong with my vote for sabie? I think there is a case on her, and fwiw I don't think she would be "stupid" to have killed Jack here, or that it's too easy of a WIFOM argument to make. I think it makes sense in conjunction with her slight push of me which she seems to be backing off of now that nobody is biting.
And what link do you see between me and Michelle? I mean, I townread her What, do you know she'll flip bad and you want to line up a townie to take the fall?
I understood about 40% of these words, but I’m willing to say that if nutella is bad then quin is not.
Is this something really real, or is a baddie nutella going for the LC pocket?nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:26 amlol I wanted to question your sheeping of me but this is legit, you can have a townread
Michelle puts nutella with Jack as townies. Going for a double-pocket, or doing a thing where nutella looks better?Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:16 pmAnd here comes the moment when you know more than me about everyone's meta -_-Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:08 pmMore like “misguided but harmless” and wolves are neither.Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:05 pmi see, you want to make him feel small but worthy ^^Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:30 amI’m characterizing LC as a small dog, grabbing my pantleg in his teeth and pulling. He’s “attacking” me but it doesn’t bother me and I’m not going to try to lynch him for it.Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:17 amplease rephrase your last sentence, I try to understand it.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:03 am I believe LC believes what he’s saying much more than I believe Nutella believes what she’s saying. He can gnaw on my pant leg for awhile.
Seems like you TR him for that it's correct?
Going to catch up now
Yes, I think LC is town. If Nutella flips wolf, that read strengthens because I don’t think they do all the things they’re doing as teammates.
Skimming the last posts I see in your interactiom with Nutella a logical flow of thoughts. Maybe I am not still used with the site's playstyle but it looks like a fight between two townies.
Looks good on Tony.Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:27 amSloonei lower than DF in these reads comes as odd for me, Tony never said nothing about DF as town iirc while he had a post comparing me and Sloonei.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:17 pm There is so little to pry on here.
Rainbowish from memory:
Me
Jack
Dom
DF
Sloonei
Sabie
LC
G-Man
——————————
Epi
Michelle
Nutella
And Quin is missing
Lot of reads coming out of nowhere, and his agenda for me is visible.
Let's destroy meta.DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:56 pm I agree with Sloonei’s arguments pertaining to Nutella, she’s not a strong town read for me at this point. I don’t agree on the Sabie town read, since in the absence of other viable lynches it doesn’t strike me as unlikely for two teammates to distance when they’re both on the chopping block.
LC is playing a weird game, but I don’t know if he’d be this cavalier as a baddie (again, I don’t pay much attention to meta).