An Australian Country Murder Mystery (Day 4)

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Who king hit the poor cunt?

Poll ended at Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:22 pm

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Re: An Australian Country Murder Mystery (Day 2)

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nutella's lynch would tell me the most (or at least I think it would), but I'm just one person.

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I didn't like Quin's vote in the slightest.

Y'all jumped on it. I feel like we didn't have the same level of substance with him.
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I'd like to lynch Michelle
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Dom wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:40 pm I'd like to lynch Michelle
Me too.
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Dom wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:38 pm I didn't like Quin's vote in the slightest.

Y'all jumped on it. I feel like we didn't have the same level of substance with him.
This is definitely true. There's been less substantive discussion of Quin than there was for Michelle. I'm open to lynching either one of them, though my Michelle suspicion has gone down a little since last night.

Let me dig into Quin a bit and see if anything new turns up.
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I will elaborate when I can, Sloonei
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Epignosis wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:41 pm
Dom wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:40 pm I'd like to lynch Michelle
Me too.
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nutella's lynch advances my scenarios the best. I want to honor that with my vote, but there's a conundrum afoot.
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Quin wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:54 am
Sloonei wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:11 am
Quin wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:49 am
Michelle wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:43 am
Quin wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:39 pm nah, jack is fair dinkum right now.
google said you think Jack is honest, is that correct?
nah yeah he's a good bloke i reckon
Why do you reckon that, esteemed Australian Quin? Who do you reckon ain’t such good blokes?
mate its hard to roleplay and make choc a bloc posts at the same time

i reckon i'd call the coppers on nutella for starting the DF beef against jazza, that whole thing was a pissup.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
I highlighted this post earlier and it stands out as my least favorite thing in Quin's ISO. He confesses that his roleplay shtick is making it harder to participate and seems to use that as a justification of sorts. I'm not a fan of that.
He's also stuck to the same premise for his nutella suspicion since Day 1 (here and here).

Outside of that, we have very little to work with here. I am his second suspect but I see no explanation of that. He had a Day 1 town read on Jack, but Jack's gone now. His suspicion of nutella indirectly involves DF, but Quin hasn't offered any sort of read on him to this stage. His latest post suggests he won't be here before the end of the phase, so I doubt we'll get any answers out of him here. If he survives this lynch, though, I'd like to know why I'm a suspect and what he thinks of DF. [mention]Quin[/mention]

If there's a reason to suspect him that's strong enough to vote for, it's that he is willfully hiding behind roleplay in the post I quoted above.
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G-Man wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:49 pm nutella's lynch advances my scenarios the best. I want to honor that with my vote, but there's a conundrum afoot.
I am always hesitant to vote on grounds like this. If I find the player in question suspicious, sure. But I'm not entire convinced that nutella is bad, and I would not want to sacrifice her for the potential information we could gain. Lynching a mafia member will always provide the most usable information, and I'd like to maximize our chances of having that happen.
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[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
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Quin is bad: Long Con

Quin is good: sabie

sabie is bad: Michelle, Sloonei or Dom

sabie is good: Quin or Michelle

Michelle is bad: sabie

Michelle is good: Dom or Epi

(Skipping the me part :p)
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This is my biggest hangup when it comes to voting for Michelle. I can't shake the feeling that this post comes from a civilian, and if that is the case then the rest of her behavior makes sense to me as well:
Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:36 am
Michelle wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:23 am You are talking about my confidence, this is a playstyle thing. I explained what I expected from him. This kind of things he did I noticed at scum. I am sorry he was villager, if you think my lynch will avenge him go ahead.

Complaining about how I am confident, your post below isn't TMI?
Sloonei wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:34 pmJack is town.
How were you so confident?
This post is from earlier today, after I'd explained to Michelle my reasons for suspecting her. Part of her response is to throw a "TMI" argument back at me based on my town read of Jack yesterday. I am unsure what to do with this. It seems like an obscure thing to bring up in an exchange like this, to the point where I am not sure that I believe a murderous australian would have the presence of mind to recall or dig up a post like this in the heat of the moment. Part of me feels like this point is too minute to have been fabricated.
And if I receive this as a civilian stance, then I also can see the same attitude reflected in her tunneling of Tony at the end of the phase yesterday.
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nutella wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:59 pm Quin is bad: Long Con

Quin is good: sabie

sabie is bad: Michelle, Sloonei or Dom

sabie is good: Quin or Michelle

Michelle is bad: sabie

Michelle is good: Dom or Epi

(Skipping the me part :p)
Now, now. Why don’t you want to tell us who to focus on if you flip civ?
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I have to go tutor.

I'll be back later.
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Yikes [mention]Quin[/mention]
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[mention]G-Man[/mention] Would you rather lynch Michelle or sabie?
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same question for nutella, I suppose.
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Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:12 pm @G-Man Would you rather lynch Michelle or sabie?
Neither helps me much. I’ll be right back to pondering nutella tomorrow. Nutella points me to them. It’s not quite reciprocal.
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G-Man wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:12 pm @G-Man Would you rather lynch Michelle or sabie?
Neither helps me much. I’ll be right back to pondering nutella tomorrow. Nutella points me to them. It’s not quite reciprocal.
Forget what you think their lynches will tell you. Which player do you think would be more likely to flip bad?
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Dom wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:11 pm I have to go tutor.

I'll be back later.
Nonchalant, considering the deadline is imminent.
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[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
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Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:18 pm
G-Man wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:12 pm @G-Man Would you rather lynch Michelle or sabie?
Neither helps me much. I’ll be right back to pondering nutella tomorrow. Nutella points me to them. It’s not quite reciprocal.
Forget what you think their lynches will tell you. Which player do you think would be more likely to flip bad?
Nerves of steel time.

Michelle’s posts could be interpreted to suggest her soft supports of Jack suggest she already knew he was civ. But the also have a history.

Sabie is guilty of being agreeable to the thoughts of others too much.

Michelle broke the tie and sabie added to the lead. It’s a coin flip.

Linki: I see you didn’t wait around for my thoughts.
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G-Man wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:18 pm
G-Man wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:12 pm @G-Man Would you rather lynch Michelle or sabie?
Neither helps me much. I’ll be right back to pondering nutella tomorrow. Nutella points me to them. It’s not quite reciprocal.
Forget what you think their lynches will tell you. Which player do you think would be more likely to flip bad?
Nerves of steel time.

Michelle’s posts could be interpreted to suggest her soft supports of Jack suggest she already knew he was civ. But the also have a history.

Sabie is guilty of being agreeable to the thoughts of others too much.

Michelle broke the tie and sabie added to the lead. It’s a coin flip.

Linki: I see you didn’t wait around for my thoughts.
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Notes from my ISO seem stronger against Michelle.

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Michelle was lynched. She was Sharon Skinner, a Mafia Goon.

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Oh hey, cool!

I thought I could read her. :sigh: Glad you guys were right after all.
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Neat. Interactive isos coming eventually.
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Neato burrito.
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G-Man wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:19 pm
Dom wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:11 pm I have to go tutor.

I'll be back later.
Nonchalant, considering the deadline is imminent.
What was your aim with this post?

I asked people to vote for Michelle. I have to go get paid. You fell asleep on the couch and didn't vote last time. Where was your urgency?

Or is this just a made up criticism?
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Dom wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:18 pm
G-Man wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:19 pm
Dom wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:11 pm I have to go tutor.

I'll be back later.
Nonchalant, considering the deadline is imminent.
What was your aim with this post?

I asked people to vote for Michelle. I have to go get paid. You fell asleep on the couch and didn't vote last time. Where was your urgency?

Or is this just a made up criticism?
Neither here nor there. I was just surprised to see you leave so soon to the deadline after being active for a streetch. But I understand the pull of the Almighty Dollar.
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Not a good look, G.
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Nice try. You can’t scare me. I have daughters.
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Michelle's interactions
Michelle wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:23 am G-man self meta is lame so I will let Jack to talk about my meta, I played with him more than with the others, as both alignaments.
G-man had asked for assessments of the players he's unfamiliar with, which included Michelle along with three others. Michelle gave a direct response to say that she would not offer her own self-assessment and deferred to Jack (town) to do it for her. I could see this as a semi-coordinated act by two partners on Day 1, but it's easier to read it as a civilian and a mafier. For what it's worth, Michelle offered a favorable opinion of G-Man from this.
Michelle wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:04 pm
nutella wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:51 pm Tony's entrance is ehhhh

G's is good if a little heavy-handed but I respect that he wants some meta. @G-Man Michelle tends to ask people a lot of questions (kinda like juliets actually now that I think about it). LLD I've only played with once and the game is still going so I probably shouldn't talk about it. Tony and sabie I've played with a handful more times but couldn't really give you much specific description of their styles, I think they both vary a fair amount.

Quin is schooling the rest of us on the aussie slang. Idk if I'll even try. Uh, who's coming to my sausage sizzle?
Geez I can't talk english properly and he wants me to use a slang I know nothing about -_-

btw while Gman receives some inputs, can you tell me something about his meta?
I'm not totally sure why Michelle is responding to this post. She's mentioned, but not called upon to say anything. She is singularly asking nutella for a read on G-man, which feels significant but I couldn't speculate definitively based on this alone. Keeping an eye on nutella as I go.
Michelle wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:35 am did I understood correct, Jack is suspicious because he pinged a low poster to play?
I find this post relevant because of Michelle's apparent attitude toward the Jackwagon on Day 1. She seems dismissive, almost scoffing at it (at least that's the tone I read here). The suggestion here would be that Michelle was trying to set herself up as opposed to Jack's lynch, and thus opposed to those who were pushing for it (nutella, LC, and DF are the ones I remember being most on board).
Quin wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:49 am
Michelle wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:43 am
Quin wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:39 pm nah, jack is fair dinkum right now.
google said you think Jack is honest, is that correct?
nah yeah he's a good bloke i reckon
This exchange exists. If Michelle is bad and opposed Jack's lynch, I could see room to suggest the same is true of Quin.

In this post she asks nutella to clarify on a meta read of herself, then directs two accusatory jabs at Tony. Her handling of Tony was what put her on my radar. G-man tells us that Day 1 mostly came down to nutella vs. Tony. Michelle hasn't offered a clear stance on nutella yet, but has had a few casual exchanges with her. She's firmly anti-Tony.
This post (in response to Dom) suggests more ambivalence toward Jack than has previously existed in Michelle's posts.
Michelle wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:30 am
Michelle wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:17 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:03 am I believe LC believes what he’s saying much more than I believe Nutella believes what she’s saying. He can gnaw on my pant leg for awhile.
please rephrase your last sentence, I try to understand it.
I’m characterizing LC as a small dog, grabbing my pantleg in his teeth and pulling. He’s “attacking” me but it doesn’t bother me and I’m not going to try to lynch him for it.
i see, you want to make him feel small but worthy ^^
Seems like you TR him for that it's correct?

Going to catch up now
She plants a townread of Long Con on Jack. It is worth noting that Michelle does not appear to have interacted with LC up to this point. This is almost like she's, ahem, incepting the idea of a town read on Long Con in Jack's mind.

This post involves sabie but doesn't contain anything substantial from Michelle, so I'm unsure what to do with it at this stage.
The next sequence of posts are her interactions with Tony toward the end of Day 1. Those posts would only be relevant at this stage for someone who's trying to establish a read on me. If anyone wants to take that up, please do. But it's not my task.
Michelle wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:26 am
nutella wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:18 am Hmmm spicy

sabie12 Michelle looking forward to your comments

also tfw df is putting in more hunting effort than me
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Another casual interaction with nutella featuring no content.

An interaction with LC! But it's just Generic Mafia Prodv1.0
Michelle wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:47 pm
sabie12 wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:09 pm Dom is right I am moving my vote to Michelle right now. She at least popped in to kind of respond to accusations on her but I'm not really feeling she's trying to defend anything that anyone throws her way for suspicions. Her reasoning for suspecting tony wasn't explained well and she doesn't seem to be trying to do so.


Also I'm not sure what to think of the sloonei/epi dynamic. I have been seeing it as epi doesnt really have time to play so he just kinda throws suspicion around and does whatever he feels like because he's not super invested in it.
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I see from this post that Sabie has 3 suspects.

Me, because I didn't defend myself.
Not much time ago a silly Michelle asked villager Jackofhearts to not lynch me because I will flip green and so on (MU game).Can you imagine he didn't want to hear about that?
Since then I put lower effort in self defense and I try to not put so much emotion in the game because what I want by playing is to have fun and to keep the game enjoyable.
Again I am sorry I was wrong about Tony. But you don't want to lynch me for wrong read, but because I don't defend like you would like.

Sloonei/Epi are linked in a read I don't understand. Are they suspicious or not?

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Comments on sabie's thoughts but does not comment on sabie herself. Part of me could see this as a staged interaction where sabie tossed a softball at Michelle so that the latter could swat it away in a safe context. But I can also read the way Michelle gets hung up on the post as a suggestion of the opposite: Michelle saw sabie as the most viable counterwagon to her own, and wanted to sink her teeth into this post. I'll note that her self-assessment here ("I put lower effort in self defense") is not reflected at all in her Day 2 play, where she is almost exclusively engaged in self-defense. Michelle also got hung up on the point about sabie's read of me/epi and I don't think she ever really advanced or did anything with it. Michelle's final post was a vote for sabie. At that stage she had no choice, so her vote and opposition to sabie don't really tell me a whole lot.

Michelle packed it in on Day 2. Her Day 1 was illuminating in that it (would have) helped to clear both Jack and Tony, but on Day 2 she mostly just responded defensively to cases against her. I feel good about Epi based on the way he approached her when presented with a case, though I'm not really sure what to make of her extremely brief response to him.

If I have to pick a side on sabie, I think I'd lean town at the moment. Michelle's most substantive post of Day 2 was an attempt to break down sabie's suspicions in a way that seemed to be angling toward an unfavorable read.
On the other side of that, I could see a partnership with nutella here given her relative absence from Michelle's ISO. nutella has been in the neighborhood of lynch candidacy both days, yet Michelle offers nothing, or close to nothing, on her at all. She focuses her accusations instead on Tony, then later a combination of me and sabie.

In fact, most of what I'm intrigued by in Michelle's ISO is the people who are conspicuously absent: Quin and Long Con are on the periphery at some moments, but she never engaged in a meaningful way with either of them. She produced a generic prod directed at LLD in the middle of Day 2 (though that can mean absolutely anything. No one wants a totally blank player slot in the game). DF is absent, and her interaction with Dom amounts to a comment on one post that he made. I am the (remaining) player Michelle engaged the most directly with in the thread. Maybe someone wants to dissect that.

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Epi and sabie look decent.
Everyone else is not dealt with in satisfying way. The player whose absence from Michelle's attention is most alarming to me is nutella.
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DFaraday & Michelle
DFaraday wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:28 am
Sloonei wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:08 am I gave Michelle a town read because the energy in her posts seemed to be trending in a constructive direction, but I haven’t seen many other opinions on her besides Tony’s failing her for her response to his mechanic chatter. How do we read her?
I just went through her posts, and noticed a lot of questions and very little in the way of offering her own views. I've never played with her that I can recall; is this normal behaviour for her?

(I spelt "behaviour" the Australian way for the game. Also "spelt.")
This is an observation without judgment, though the slant I got was negative (my initial prompt was favorable, so DF's picking it up at all suggests he was at least attempting to present an alternative view). Not strong enough for me to call it a good look.
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nutella wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:04 pm So you don't think the kill was a frame of me? That was my first thought, and that sabie either bought it or is promoting the narrative that I'm scum.
I think it's the second option. I actually began thinking there might be a Sabie/Michelle connection yesterday, but didn't want to say anything explicit during the night. My theory is that Michelle forced suspicion on Tony, then had to double down on it as their interaction continued, and Sabie just parroted her teammate's suspicion. Sabie's post today makes me feel even less warm towards her, since it's basically shouting, "WOW HOW SUSPICIOUS DOES THIS KILL MAKE NUTELLA LOOK, RIGHT GUYS?"
Early Day 2 DF expresses a joint suspicion of sabie and michelle. Michelle seems to be the primary suspect in the pairing, and his take on her reflects my own at the time, so I'm inclined to be sympathetic. This is strong enough for me to feel good about. +1 for DF.

His next (and most recent) post is a follow-up analysis backing up the above stance. His focus is turned on sabie and he casts a vote for her, but notes that Michelle is also a viable candidate. DF hasn't returned since making this post, but my impression is that this is a genuine suspicion. It would be a convoluted strategy for Mafia #1 (DF) to indirectly bus their teammate (Michelle) by accusing an innocent civilian (sabie) with a theory that implicates said teammate as well. And it makes even less sense to imagine a mafia trio of DF, sabie, and Michelle here. I was already town-reading DF, and that read has only been strengthened here.
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Dom & Michelle
Dom wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:12 pm
Michelle wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:23 am G-man self meta is lame so I will let Jack to talk about my meta, I played with him more than with the others, as both alignaments.
I like this post.
I don't object to this. It was a good post.
Dom wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:38 am
Michelle wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:35 am did I understood correct, Jack is suspicious because he pinged a low poster to play?
I'd like to find out if he is suspicious for doing so.
I think this post represents one of the more sensible takes on the Jack drama from Day 1. I'm also inclined to say I like the context of it as well. Michelle seems to be framing the issue as preposterous, but Dom steps in with a level-headed response to combat her implication. Groovy.

Michelle looks bad in 3/4 scenarios. Noted. Dom also notes it.

A vote
Dom wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:52 am
Michelle? I haven't seen much of a progression in her thoughts, but I generally tend to struggle to read her. I tend to empathize a lot with her with her second language struggles, and give her the benefit of the doubt in her communications if there seems to be a misunderstanding. That being said, the timing of her Tony vote was not great. With that being said as well, I do not know if her slip that Epi is picking up on is really a "slip". I'm usually one to jump on something like that and harp on it until I get my way or I'm dead... but I struggle with Michelle. I know how hard it can be to communicate with a second language, especially with all the euphemisms that exist in Mafia. I'd like to hear more from Sabie and see how she reacts to pressure before I commit to this vote, though.
This read is less decisive than I'd like. I understand what Dom is saying and these thoughts have crossed my mind as well. But when I prompted him to share his reads, he expressed nothing overtly negative about the player he's voting for, which isn't the most inspiring look. I'll also note that he has twice implied that his vote for Michelle was temporary, which could be read as opening the door to change course if the opportunity becomes available. I'm not sure I believe that angle though.
Dom wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:40 pm I'd like to lynch Michelle
This came late in the day. Dom has apparently settled on Michelle. I will give him credit here: the poll was very much up in the air (a 3-way tie between quin, michelle, and sabie), and Dom came out with a firm stance against one of those candidates above the other two.

I maintain a generally favorable read on Dom, but with the mildest concern about his mid-phase the way he seemed to shrink away from Michelle mid-phase. But the read became stronger toward the end, and if Dom is her partner then he had plenty of time and ammunition to avoid bussing her.
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In the interest of time and energy I'm not going through Epi's posts. He pledged his vote to me when I was campaigning against Michelle. Then he embarked on his own campaign against her. Then he broke from me when I moved my vote off of her later in the day. If Epi is Michelle's partner he gave himself the easiest route in the world to not bus her, then he bussed her anyway. My diagnosis: Nah.
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Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:05 pm In the interest of time and energy I'm not going through Epi's posts. He pledged his vote to me when I was campaigning against Michelle. Then he embarked on his own campaign against her. Then he broke from me when I moved my vote off of her later in the day. If Epi is Michelle's partner he gave himself the easiest route in the world to not bus her, then he bussed her anyway. My diagnosis: Nah.
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Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:44 pm DFaraday & Michelle
DFaraday wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:28 am
Sloonei wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:08 am I gave Michelle a town read because the energy in her posts seemed to be trending in a constructive direction, but I haven’t seen many other opinions on her besides Tony’s failing her for her response to his mechanic chatter. How do we read her?
I just went through her posts, and noticed a lot of questions and very little in the way of offering her own views. I've never played with her that I can recall; is this normal behaviour for her?

(I spelt "behaviour" the Australian way for the game. Also "spelt.")
This is an observation without judgment, though the slant I got was negative (my initial prompt was favorable, so DF's picking it up at all suggests he was at least attempting to present an alternative view). Not strong enough for me to call it a good look.
DFaraday wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:55 am
nutella wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:04 pm So you don't think the kill was a frame of me? That was my first thought, and that sabie either bought it or is promoting the narrative that I'm scum.
I think it's the second option. I actually began thinking there might be a Sabie/Michelle connection yesterday, but didn't want to say anything explicit during the night. My theory is that Michelle forced suspicion on Tony, then had to double down on it as their interaction continued, and Sabie just parroted her teammate's suspicion. Sabie's post today makes me feel even less warm towards her, since it's basically shouting, "WOW HOW SUSPICIOUS DOES THIS KILL MAKE NUTELLA LOOK, RIGHT GUYS?"
Early Day 2 DF expresses a joint suspicion of sabie and michelle. Michelle seems to be the primary suspect in the pairing, and his take on her reflects my own at the time, so I'm inclined to be sympathetic. This is strong enough for me to feel good about. +1 for DF.

His next (and most recent) post is a follow-up analysis backing up the above stance. His focus is turned on sabie and he casts a vote for her, but notes that Michelle is also a viable candidate. DF hasn't returned since making this post, but my impression is that this is a genuine suspicion. It would be a convoluted strategy for Mafia #1 (DF) to indirectly bus their teammate (Michelle) by accusing an innocent civilian (sabie) with a theory that implicates said teammate as well. And it makes even less sense to imagine a mafia trio of DF, sabie, and Michelle here. I was already town-reading DF, and that read has only been strengthened here.
I agree with this.

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G-Man & Michelle
G-Man wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:23 am Now that the game has begun in earnest, I have a few questions:

1) Can anyone give me a rundown of what's normal to expect from Lady LambdaDelta, Michelle, sabie12, and TonyStarkPrime? I played one or two games with Sabie, but that was a while ago. I may have played once with Tony, but I will have to go back and check the master spreadsheet. The other two are new to me. Are these usually talkative or quiet? How they cool, calm, and collected, or are they more emotional with their posts? I don't want their newness to me leaving me focused too much on the devils I know. :eye:
G-man puts in a request for help reading four players, including Michelle. This tells me very little. I'll note that the players are listed alphabetically which suggests the possibility that he was conscious of the presentation of this message. But that doesn't have to be significant. At all.

He interacts with Michelle a couple of times in this post in a way that doesn't look staged or inauthentic to me.

He provides a Michelle ISO. G-man seems to express some skepticism of her read on Jack, and also makes note of her heavy involvement in Tony's mislynch without passing overt judgment. But none of G-man's ISOs featured overt judgment as far as I can tell. His assessment of Michelle here does not appear to be skewed in any obvious way.

G-man then appears to spend a good deal of time studying the vote records and singles out Michelle as looking bad. I like this. As a general comment on the game of mafia, it pleases me when two completely different analytical approaches lead to the same conclusion. So G-man's vote analysis is just pleasing to me on a personal level. And I am inclined to town-read him for it.

Implicates nutella as a potential Michelle partner.

G-man wanted to lynch nutella towards the end of the day, as he felt her lynch could provide the most information. But when the votes shifted he ended up as the final vote on the Michelle wagon. He could have forced a tie with Quin, though that would have been a bizarre move. And there is nothing else in here which sets off any alarms, so I am not inclined to look unfavorably on G-man's late-day philosophy. I feel good about him. That's becoming a theme in this exercise. :ponder:
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Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:00 pm Dom & Michelle
Dom wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:12 pm
Michelle wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:23 am G-man self meta is lame so I will let Jack to talk about my meta, I played with him more than with the others, as both alignaments.
I like this post.
I don't object to this. It was a good post.
Dom wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:38 am
Michelle wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:35 am did I understood correct, Jack is suspicious because he pinged a low poster to play?
I'd like to find out if he is suspicious for doing so.
I think this post represents one of the more sensible takes on the Jack drama from Day 1. I'm also inclined to say I like the context of it as well. Michelle seems to be framing the issue as preposterous, but Dom steps in with a level-headed response to combat her implication. Groovy.

Michelle looks bad in 3/4 scenarios. Noted. Dom also notes it.

A vote
Dom wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:52 am
Michelle? I haven't seen much of a progression in her thoughts, but I generally tend to struggle to read her. I tend to empathize a lot with her with her second language struggles, and give her the benefit of the doubt in her communications if there seems to be a misunderstanding. That being said, the timing of her Tony vote was not great. With that being said as well, I do not know if her slip that Epi is picking up on is really a "slip". I'm usually one to jump on something like that and harp on it until I get my way or I'm dead... but I struggle with Michelle. I know how hard it can be to communicate with a second language, especially with all the euphemisms that exist in Mafia. I'd like to hear more from Sabie and see how she reacts to pressure before I commit to this vote, though.
This read is less decisive than I'd like. I understand what Dom is saying and these thoughts have crossed my mind as well. But when I prompted him to share his reads, he expressed nothing overtly negative about the player he's voting for, which isn't the most inspiring look. I'll also note that he has twice implied that his vote for Michelle was temporary, which could be read as opening the door to change course if the opportunity becomes available. I'm not sure I believe that angle though.
Dom wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:40 pm I'd like to lynch Michelle
This came late in the day. Dom has apparently settled on Michelle. I will give him credit here: the poll was very much up in the air (a 3-way tie between quin, michelle, and sabie), and Dom came out with a firm stance against one of those candidates above the other two.

I maintain a generally favorable read on Dom, but with the mildest concern about his mid-phase the way he seemed to shrink away from Michelle mid-phase. But the read became stronger toward the end, and if Dom is her partner then he had plenty of time and ammunition to avoid bussing her.
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Epignosis wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:05 pm In the interest of time and energy I'm not going through Epi's posts. He pledged his vote to me when I was campaigning against Michelle. Then he embarked on his own campaign against her. Then he broke from me when I moved my vote off of her later in the day. If Epi is Michelle's partner he gave himself the easiest route in the world to not bus her, then he bussed her anyway. My diagnosis: Nah.
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Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:20 pm G-Man & Michelle
G-Man wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:23 am Now that the game has begun in earnest, I have a few questions:

1) Can anyone give me a rundown of what's normal to expect from Lady LambdaDelta, Michelle, sabie12, and TonyStarkPrime? I played one or two games with Sabie, but that was a while ago. I may have played once with Tony, but I will have to go back and check the master spreadsheet. The other two are new to me. Are these usually talkative or quiet? How they cool, calm, and collected, or are they more emotional with their posts? I don't want their newness to me leaving me focused too much on the devils I know. :eye:
G-man puts in a request for help reading four players, including Michelle. This tells me very little. I'll note that the players are listed alphabetically which suggests the possibility that he was conscious of the presentation of this message. But that doesn't have to be significant. At all.

He interacts with Michelle a couple of times in this post in a way that doesn't look staged or inauthentic to me.

He provides a Michelle ISO. G-man seems to express some skepticism of her read on Jack, and also makes note of her heavy involvement in Tony's mislynch without passing overt judgment. But none of G-man's ISOs featured overt judgment as far as I can tell. His assessment of Michelle here does not appear to be skewed in any obvious way.

G-man then appears to spend a good deal of time studying the vote records and singles out Michelle as looking bad. I like this. As a general comment on the game of mafia, it pleases me when two completely different analytical approaches lead to the same conclusion. So G-man's vote analysis is just pleasing to me on a personal level. And I am inclined to town-read him for it.

Implicates nutella as a potential Michelle partner.

G-man wanted to lynch nutella towards the end of the day, as he felt her lynch could provide the most information. But when the votes shifted he ended up as the final vote on the Michelle wagon. He could have forced a tie with Quin, though that would have been a bizarre move. And there is nothing else in here which sets off any alarms, so I am not inclined to look unfavorably on G-man's late-day philosophy. I feel good about him. That's becoming a theme in this exercise. :ponder:
Naw man. G-Man gets the eye here. Michelle was a goon. G-Man understands calculated risk. He might have been protecting someone else yo.
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Long Con wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:38 pm
Michelle wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:24 pm
Long Con wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:56 pm The top exports of Australia are Iron Ore ($48.2B), Coal Briquettes ($47B), Gold ($29.1B), Petroleum Gas ($20.3B) and Wheat ($4.88B), so I'll keep the sabie vote where it is.
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This is the extent of Long Con's interaction with Michelle. He was critical of Jack on Day 1 and voted for him. His anti-Jack stance is also a pro-nutella stance. His vote today was planted on sabie. LC has not done a whole lot and I'm bothered by the absence of direct interactions from both parties here. My only reason to town read him continues to be that I'd expect a craftier game than this from Evil Long Con.

I'd say Day 3 is "mid-game", so I anticipate we'll start to hear more from him soon. :srsnod:
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nutella wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:59 pm Michelle is bad: sabie
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Sloonei, in the wake of doing what you're doing, do you really pay attention to how many posts a member has? I mean Jesus.
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Also, boom.
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But the real boom is post 32,001 since we start with zero posts and not one.

So, boom now.
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Maybe I'm being bitter about disliking what G-Man said personally, but I don't like his end of day behavior
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Dom wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:42 pm Maybe I'm being bitter about disliking what G-Man said personally, but I don't like his end of day behavior
Chill on it. Look at Michelle and G-Man instead of G-Man and Dom.
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