Lost Again Mafia (Season 3) - Day 5

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #651

wow what a clusterfuck

#652

Aw Golden, shit happens

Once I had to restart a game two days in because I screwed up the info.

Bye Faraday and Quin. Welcome, MP.

#653

MP is just a trooper when it comes to replacements. Assuming that's what sockface means.

#654

I see I am now a part of this game. Furthermore, it appears to be in a critical stage. Cool.

I've kept up with the game poorly off and on, so I'm vaguely aware of what's going on, but I don't feel comfortable with it. Let me read some of this stuff and I'll report back with questions for you all as well as some immediate reads.

The HCR crossover game, however, ends over four hours before this game. I'm in that game and it's currently Day 1, so my attention is more likely to be focused on that game until that EoD is complete.

#655

MovingPictures07 wrote:I see I am now a part of this game. Furthermore, it appears to be in a critical stage. Cool.

I've kept up with the game poorly off and on, so I'm vaguely aware of what's going on, but I don't feel comfortable with it. Let me read some of this stuff and I'll report back with questions for you all as well as some immediate reads.

The HCR crossover game, however, ends over four hours before this game. I'm in that game and it's currently Day 1, so my attention is more likely to be focused on that game until that EoD is complete.

Welcome!

You're basically townfirmed, so don't worry about suspicion too much. Just post what you can, and thanks!

#656

Found the underwater hatch. I'll try to do what I can to help you all everybody but there's two birds down here with guns. Being outnumbered and outgunned makes being heroic a tad difficult.

DAY 1
1. SPEEDCHUCK (DFaraday)<---BADDIE, lynched Day 4
2. THELLAMA73 (S~V~S)
3. THELLAMA73 (Sorsha)
4. THELLAMA73 (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
5. SPEEDCHUCK (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
6. THELLAMA73 (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3
7. DFARADAY (speedchuck)
8. SPEEDCHUCK (Epignosis)
9. DFARADAY (insertnamehere)<---INDY, NK'd Night 1
10. SPEEDCHUCK (thellama73)<---CIVVIE, lynched Day 1
11. DFARADAY (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4

No Vote:
Dom
notsawyer540<---CIVVIE, Lynched Day 2

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2. THELLAMA73 (S~V~S)
3. THELLAMA73 (Sorsha)
4. THELLAMA73 (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
6. THELLAMA73 (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3

1. SPEEDCHUCK (DFaraday)<---BADDIE, lynched Day 4
5. SPEEDCHUCK (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
8. SPEEDCHUCK (Epignosis)
10. SPEEDCHUCK (thellama73)<---CIVVIE, lynched Day 1

7. DFARADAY (speedchuck)
9. DFARADAY (insertnamehere)<---INDY, NK'd Night 1
11. DFARADAY (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4

No Vote:
Dom
notsawyer540<---CIVVIE, Lynched Day 2

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DAY 2
1. NOTSAWYER540 (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
2. NOTSAWYER540 (DFaraday)<---BADDIE, lynched Day 4
3. DFARADAY (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
4. NOTSAWYER540 (speedchuck)
5. NOTSAWYER540 (S~V~S)
6. NUTELLA (Epignosis)
7. NUTELLA (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4
8. NUTELLA (Dom)
9. NUTELLA (notsawyer540)<---CIVVIE, Lynched Day 2
10. NOTSAWYER540 (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3

NO VOTE:
Sorsha

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1. NOTSAWYER540 (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
2. NOTSAWYER540 (DFaraday)<---BADDIE, lynched Day 4
4. NOTSAWYER540 (speedchuck)
5. NOTSAWYER540 (S~V~S)
10. NOTSAWYER540 (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3

6. NUTELLA (Epignosis)
7. NUTELLA (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4
8. NUTELLA (Dom)
9. NUTELLA (notsawyer540)<---CIVVIE, Lynched Day 2

3. DFARADAY (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3

NO VOTE:
Sorsha

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DAY 3
1. NUTELLA (Dom)
2. DFARADAY (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
3. QUIN (speedchuck)
4. DFARADAY (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3
5. DFARADAY (S~V~S)
6. NUTELLA (DFaraday)<---BADDIE, lynched Day 4
7. DFARADAY (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
8. S~V~S (Epignosis)
9. NUTELLA (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4

NO VOTE:
Sorsha

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2. DFARADAY (nutella)<---CIVVIE, NINJA KILLED Day 3
4. DFARADAY (Spacedaisy)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 3
5. DFARADAY (S~V~S)
7. DFARADAY (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2

1. NUTELLA (Dom)
6. NUTELLA (DFaraday)<---BADDIE, lynched Day 4
9. NUTELLA (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4

3. QUIN (speedchuck)

8. S~V~S (Epignosis)

NO VOTE:
Sorsha

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DAY 4
1. DFARADAY (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
2. DFARADAY (S~V~S)
3. DFARADAY (speedchuck)
4. DFARADAY (Sorsha)
5. SPEEDCHUCK (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4
6. SPEEDCHUCK (Epignosis)
7. SPEEDCHUCK (DFaraday)<---BADDIE, lynched Day 4
8. DFARADAY (Dom)

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1. DFARADAY (Quin)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 2
2. DFARADAY (S~V~S)
3. DFARADAY (speedchuck)
4. DFARADAY (Sorsha)
8. DFARADAY (Dom)

5. SPEEDCHUCK (G-Man)<---CIVVIE, NK'd Night 4
6. SPEEDCHUCK (Epignosis)
7. SPEEDCHUCK (DFaraday)<---BADDIE, lynched Day 4

Gotta go. The gals are coming back to check on me. I'll try to send some more information up to the surface the next time they're distracted.

#657

Dom scares me a bit.

His vote on me, a few minutes before deadline, would have caused a tie. A tie would have given town a 4/7 chance of losing the game, right there. If there had been one more on me, that's 100% mislynch. Dom either:
Voted me, then reconsidered and decided not to play the odds this late and go ahead for his teammate
or
Legitimately carelessly flung a vote on me before considering where the game, vote totals, and scum were, then switched to DF immediately after.

Thoughts? From anyone?

#658

A coordinated scum team could have jumped on me together at EOD and lynched me, ending the game with a scum win. That they didn't suggests a lack of coordination and presence. While further implicating Dom, this doesn't give me good feels about Sorsha.

Sorsha:
I'm torn between whether her place on DF's wagon looks good or terrible. Her vote almost made DF's lynch unavoidable, though she probably wasn't around at EOD to nab me with a coordinated scum CFD. HOWEVER: Sorsha isn't in the best spot, and referenced reasons from yesterday while voting for DF. Had Sorsha not voted DF, that could have set up more flags on her than not.

I could see a Dom/Sorsha team. Still looking at others.

#659

Epi:
I'm willing to forgive Epi's place on my wagon. I've been crap this game. Don't really like the way he avoided responsibility for the vote by promising the bandwagon on G-Man, but at the same time, if I die, it's game over. If Epi were mafia, he'd know who the townies are, and at the point in the game, responsibility for mislynches doesn't matter.

The way DF agreed to follow onto the three-man wagon makes Epi look... better? I'd expect distancing from Epi if he were scum, buddying if her were town. Wine on that one.

The constant dislike of DF's lynch was iffy, but only because of the result. If she was a different, more unfair bullcrap type role, then Epi would've been right.
Of course, where I come from, Lynchproofs are considered bad game design, so I can't judge that one for sure. I could talk about why, but it isn't relevant to the game at hand.

The back and forth with SVS is weird. It's so focused on meta that I can't make heads or tails of it. If anyone else can, please do.

#660

Looked back again. I feel a bit like SVS/Epi is town/town. It's not scum/scum, as far as I can tell. I also feel a bit better about SVS after Day 4.

Speedchuck
Quin
S~V~S
Epignosis
Sorsha
Dom

#661

i also justvrealised you guys are going to find that posts are one hour later than in the early game. That's because my daylight savings happened this weekend.

#662

Faint transmissions keep coming through from you all everybody at the surface. Not sure how long I'll be able to slip away and send these messages out. It might be in your best interest to go back and look at reasons people had for voting for and away from DFaraday. Look for lame or poorly-constructed reasons for those votes. DFaraday was a third option on Day 1, so see how people reacted to him getting votes and when others pulled away.

I've never been good at this hero thing but my gut seems to think Sorsha and speedchuck might be the final baddies but I wouldn't rule out Epignosis without extreme scrutiny.

I can see the jamming equipment but I have to figure out the code to switch it off...

#663

What do you think of Dom's EOD actions Day 4, G-Man, as outlined in my post 5 above yours? Don't give up yet! THERE'S STILL TIME!!

#664

Okay, I'm here and ready to start getting my head into this game. Can't stick around for too long, but I should be able to devote at least a solid hour or so. Today's thankfully been a pretty flexible day and allowed me some serious mafia time.

#665

speedchuck wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I see I am now a part of this game. Furthermore, it appears to be in a critical stage. Cool.

I've kept up with the game poorly off and on, so I'm vaguely aware of what's going on, but I don't feel comfortable with it. Let me read some of this stuff and I'll report back with questions for you all as well as some immediate reads.

The HCR crossover game, however, ends over four hours before this game. I'm in that game and it's currently Day 1, so my attention is more likely to be focused on that game until that EoD is complete.
Welcome!

You're basically townfirmed, so don't worry about suspicion too much. Just post what you can, and thanks!

Holy shit, that's baller.

#666

Alright, that's kinda bad though because my time for this world may indeed be very short. I'll do whatever I can though.

I obviously can't read 660ish posts worth of thread, but I'm going to thoroughly explore each of the remaining mafia and see how you all shake out.

#667

MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, that's kinda bad though because my time for this world may indeed be very short. I'll do whatever I can though.

I obviously can't read 660ish posts worth of thread, but I'm going to thoroughly explore each of the remaining mafia and see how you all shake out.

You should have to a penance.

#668

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, that's kinda bad though because my time for this world may indeed be very short. I'll do whatever I can though.

I obviously can't read 660ish posts worth of thread, but I'm going to thoroughly explore each of the remaining mafia and see how you all shake out.
You should have to a penance.

I should what now?

#669

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, that's kinda bad though because my time for this world may indeed be very short. I'll do whatever I can though.

I obviously can't read 660ish posts worth of thread, but I'm going to thoroughly explore each of the remaining mafia and see how you all shake out.
You should have to a penance.
I should what now?

Well now let's see.

Most people like fewer letters, so "as penance" would work for them.

You like a lot of letters, so "ass penance" would be more appropriate for you.

#670

tbh speedchuck i don't got good answers for you. i am just a behind and confused civvie who doesn't relaly get what quinn's role was/is and then saw that dfaraday was the other candidate after ivoted.

#671

I'm not bad, G-Man isn't bad, so that just leaves Dom, Epignosis, Sorsha, speedchuck, and S~V~S as the possible baddies; three of them are vanilla civ and two are vanilla mafia. I'm going to take a look at voting records, ISOs, and perhaps some interaction analyses with DF if I have time (doubtful, but I'd like to ideally) and see what I can draw from all of it using a replacement/fresh eyes perspective since I haven't read most of this game.

Looking over voting records in isolation at the moment; here are some immediate thoughts.

If Dom is bad, he missed the D1 vote. OK, believable I guess. Votes nutella on D2, ehhh. Hard to read much into D2 voting records in isolation because it was between two townies. But Dom's early D3 vote of nutella looks bad at face value as if he was trying to keep that lynch momentum going and avoid growing momentum surrounding DF. Not sure what to make of the D4 vote. Takeaway: Dom is a compatible teammate of DF based on voting record alone.

If Epignosis is bad, he kept the speedchuck wagon going on D1 to counteract mounting suspicion on DF; this is dependent on speedchuck being town though. Then on D2 he contributes to the nutella mislynch, OK. The sole vote for S~V~S on D3 is a bit troublesome, but it's strange because if he was DF's teammate he could have voted in conjunction with G-Man to tie it up. Maybe he thought that was too big of a risk. Not sure. His speedchuck vote on D4 isn't ideal, especially if speedchuck is bad. Takeaway: Epi is a compatible teammate of DF based on voting record alone. Also, I don't think Epi and speedchuck are teammates.

If Sorsha is bad, she hopped onto the Llama wagon D1, maybe to save speedchuck if he's bad. Couldn't preemptively save DF though. She missed the vote on D2 AND D3. UGH. Her D4 vote for DF is okay I guess. There's like nothing here to analyze. Grrr. Takeaway: I guess Sorsha is a compatible teammate of DF based on voting record alone. Also, if Sorsha is bad, speedchuck could be the final teammate.

If speedchuck is bad, D1 was a serious gamble by him and DF. However, not sure what to think of speedchuck's failure to follow through with it on D2 and D3; that perplexes me and makes me tinfoil a bit and consider that D1 was distancing. But it also would mean D4 was between two members of the mafia... not sure if I believe that as likely. Takeaway: It's possible that speedchuck is a teammate of DF based on voting record alone, but I think it's unlikely.

If S~V~S is bad, she was the first to start the Llama wagon D1, maybe to save speedchuck if he's bad. Late notsawyer vote on D2, not sure what to make of that. 3rd vote for DF on D3 looks good, really secured his lynch. Ballsy bussing if so. D4 she votes him again. Takeaway: It's possible that S~V~S is a teammate of DF based on voting record alone, but I think it's unlikely.

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So how does voting record reflect upon everyone left? Here's a rainbow.

MP Rainbow: Voting Record (Solo)
S~V~S
speedchuck

Sorsha

Epignosis
Dom

Also, because there are two baddies remaining, I analyzed the voting records with every combination of two. For example, Dom and speedchuck seem the least likely combination, even though I think Dom's voting record alone looks suspicious, because D3 would have been a very poor way for both of them to vote considering they could have easily coordinated to save DF with little personal responsibility.

Here is a rainbow reflecting my assessments of those combinations:

MP Rainbow: Voting Record (Dual)
Dom & speedchuck

Epignosis & S~V~S
Dom & S~V~S
speedchuck & S~V~S

Sorsha & S~V~S
Epignosis & speedchuck
Sorsha & speedchuck

Epignosis & Sorsha

Dom & Sorsha
Dom & Epignosis

Consequently, as a result of this analysis, I'm most likely to advocate a lynch of Dom or Epignosis on D5. This is just voting record though. I'm going to dig into ISOs next.

#672

To clarify on one point:

There was clear cognitive dissonance between my initial thoughts re: Epignosis & speedchuck and then when I revisited the voting records to develop this rainbow list. I originally had thought Epignosis & speedchuck were very unlikely. However, I felt the distancing could be there because of the lack of follow through, so I threw them in the yellow "I don't really know" area in the end.

ISO stuff upcoming.

#673

MP's ISO of Dom

Spoiler: show

Dom wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
G-Man wrote:Further more, why wouldn't Nikki/Paulo be just as likely to be a cover as anyone else? If Golden randomized the cover roles again this game, then there's no need to dismiss the notion that Nikki/Paulo could be baddie covers. It would just be a cruel twist of fate that one or two of the most despised characters on Lost got used as cover roles. In fact, it adds a level of meta-WIFOM to it all, now doesn't it?

Hey, being bossy is fun. Maybe we should let Jack and Locke hog all the fun from now on.
Exactly.

You seem to be the one who thinks people are suspect based on their roleplay claims. It seems that you are trying to suspectpeople BASED on their covers, when you say yourself:

If Golden randomized the cover roles again this game
You seem to be the one pushing the thought that this matters. And if Golden randomized it, it doesn't.
Why are you going after G?

DFaraday wrote:
notsawyer540 wrote:About what? I didn't have any suspicions, so I said I was considering voting for INH just because we have differing opinions on aspects of the show. I was mostly dicking around. As far as Quin, that bit's covered in the part you quoted. I misread what Quin wrote and thought that he had said that his role PM didn't specify an alignment because I have a terrible habit of skim reading sometimes.

I do find you suspicious now, however, because of the way your post is addressed toward everyone except me. Seems to me you're trying to convince people to vote for me. If you really had any interest in my response, you would've directed your inquiry about me to me.

Vote DFaraday
Overreaction much? I expressed my thoughts on the subject, then explicitly said I wanted to hear from you. I haven't even voted for you. It was your phrasing more than anything, that whole, "Then I'm definitely considering INH" bit. It made it sound as if you put in more thought than what was essentially a joke vote.

As a side note, lately I've been seeing a lot of "if you were civvie you wouldn't do x" or "a civvie never does y". I'm not a fan.
How do we feel about this?

Not great on my end!

I don't see a teammate interaction with Dom/S~V~S; Dom's question seems sincere. I see a potential teammate interaction with Dom/DF, though it depends on how one views it: distancing or throwing mud. I'm tentatively skeptical that this is throwing mud, but let's see how Dom follows up with this.

Spoiler: show

I don't understand the purpose of this post, especially given Dom failed to follow up on DF and got caught up in a nutella suspicion.

Spoiler: show

This seems like a strong assertion against speedchuck, but Dom never follows this up either until after his obsession with nutella is over. Could be distancing.

The hyperfocus on nutella is troubling, especially given Dom's lack of posts during the next couple of phases:

Spoiler: show

This is confusing. I'm not sure at all why Dom ever suspected speedchuck, let alone voted for him. Dom needs to answer for this ASAP.

Spoiler: show

Finally Dom returns to DF. I don't like this.

Spoiler: show

Dom is visibly confused. It's hard to do anything with this, but it could be genuine at face value if he is town. Tough call here. This is probably the one post that makes me hesitate on a mafia read of Dom.

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Dom is a moderate mafia read. I don't think his nutella suspicion seems genuine, especially given he conveniently didn't mention DF again for a ridiculously long period of time, which implies that his early thoughts on DF could be seen as distancing. If Dom is genuine, then the only thing he seems to have believed with conviction all game is the nutella case, and I frankly don't understand his behavior surrounding DF and especially surrounding speedchuck. Some clarity would be very appreciated.

#674

You can have fun with my posts and votes. None of them have been worth a shit.

#675

MovingPictures07 wrote:To clarify on one point:

There was clear cognitive dissonance between my initial thoughts re: Epignosis & speedchuck and then when I revisited the voting records to develop this rainbow list. I originally had thought Epignosis & speedchuck were very unlikely. However, I felt the distancing could be there because of the lack of follow through, so I threw them in the yellow "I don't really know" area in the end.

ISO stuff upcoming.

Epignosis distancing shows a "lack of follow through."

Noted.

#676

MP's ISO of Epignosis

Epignosis spent Day 1 making jokey posts and arguing with G-Man about his character claim and a "two-way" post. I have no idea what purpose any of this served. I don't think that's a good look at all.

Epi's Day 2 is all about nutella:

Spoiler: show

I could easily see Dom and Epignosis being teammates and grilling nutella as an easy mislynch.

I don't like how Epi is putting out so little thought of his own. I also don't like his interactions with nutella at all; I feel as though he isn't making any effort to actually understand where she's coming from to develop a read on her, instead he just continuously dismisses her and picks apart her wording.

I think Epi's baddie hunting really leaves a lot to be desired here. By D2 he's evaluated almost no one, discussed almost nothing, and hyperfocused his interrogations in a way that I see as furthering an agenda much more than I do an honest attempt at trying to get a handle on nutella's alignment. That's all a terrible look.

Then comes D3 Epi, where he shifts attention to S~V~S:

Spoiler: show

Yet again I find Epi not making any attempt to actually uncover S~V~S's alignment but instead prescript her behavior to "opportunistic". I just cannot fathom where Epi's perspective is in all of this. Perhaps he can clarify.

I also find the orange incredibly ironic considering Epi doesn't seem to give a shit about what makes anyone indicative of being mafia.

How have you all not lynched Epi yet?

Spoiler: show

WIFOM, but it is a defense of DF on D3, which was a critical day for DF's survival. So a slightly bad look overall.

Spoiler: show

More defense of DF. One could say that Epi would not be so brazen about defending a teammate, but I wouldn't say that.

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Quin is the only one in this game talking any sense, so I am following his vote on Sorsha.
You put a second vote on someone becasue the first persons reason ("none whatsoever") was talking sense to you?
S~V~S has played with llama enough to know he posts like this and says controversial things that have no bearing on his alignment. She will admit as much later.

S~V~S wrote:I wonder if Sorsha noticed she had three votes when she was in here.

One vote on a person for a silly reason, ha ha lulz. Dropping a second vote on someone for a silly reason, not cool. Dropping a third vote, what baddie would do that?

I hope to see votes moving there or better reasons put forth.

So dropping a temp vote on Llama for lulz. If he takes his vote more seriously, I will too.
This is a case of S~V~S voting llama not because she thought he was bad, but because she wanted to punish him. "Not cool." Why wasn't it cool? He was a civilian, so even if his thoughts were weird, they were genuine. That's how llama is.

S~V~S knows that, as we're about to see.

Lastly, her final line in this post gave the illusion of open-mindedness, but it was conditional. Again, this was not a vote to find mafia- it was a vote to punish: "Take your (Day 1) vote more seriously or else." It was a threat, and it got a civilian lynched.

S~V~S wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Who would you prefer I vote for, SVS?
At this point, I don't particularly know, the votes for Sorsha are the only thing to stand out to me so far. Who do you think I should vote for?

I just really dislike it when people put others in a lynchable position for lulz. Probably an artifact of when we did not have changeable votes.
Again, note the wording: "I just really dislike it when..."

Just because you dislike something doesn't mean you should lynch the person for it. It doesn't make him bad. It means (if you are civilian) that you need to reread the object of the game (find mafia), but I find that a lot of times, mafia resort to lynching civilians for things they dislike. And you, S~V~S, have known llama's wackiness for years. His vote against Sorsha was not worth lynching him over, and you know that, but went for it anyway.

S~V~S wrote:
speedchuck wrote:Those who have their vote placed on me:

Is it because you don't like what my actions have been? Or because you think they come from a scummy place. Do explain.
Personally, I think Llama looks scummier than you. He was the first to put a second vote on someone for a silly reason. I can't imagine someone being bad and piling a third silly vote on someone. That is why I voted for him, not you. But I have seen very bold baddies do very bold things to fall back on the wifom.

Are you a bold baddie?

Do you honestly think Sorsha is bad? If not do you plan to move your vote?
If S~V~S is bad, I would likely rule out speedchuck based on this exchange.

S~V~S said she can't imagine someone being bad and piling a third "silly" vote on someone. I think that's the most ridiculous thing said here. S~V~S has twice the Mafia experience I do, if not more, and I've seen some squirrely-ass things in my time. I've seen mafia kill their own teammates. I find it hard to believe you, S~V~S, can't imagine mafia not plopping down a third silly vote on someone. I've seen mafia do way crazier things than that.

S~V~S wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Llama~

"What is LOST?"

Google results: https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is ... 8&oe=utf-8

Took me 4 seconds

And I will take you seriously if you give real answers and stop goofing around. If you suspect Faraday, then vote for him! You don't feel even remotely sincere to me, and you put someone you don't actually seem to suspect in danger. That concerns me. Even goofing around, when you are sincere this comes through. I am not seeing it.
I don't google things I can ask my friends about. And if I vote for Faraday now, I put my own life in peril, which I am not in the mood to do.
I don't like to bother my friends with trivia, so I Google things. It takes all types to make the world go around.

So you would rather leave your vote on the person who you don't actually suspect, instead of the person you DO suspect, and who you already named as your suspect? Becasue voting for the person you actually do suspect will get you killed, whereas just naming him won't?

I know you like to be quirky and quixotic and cultivate this image, but you make no sense right now. I am Okey Dokey with my vote.

Iam taking another hit of Nyquil and going to bed.
In light of the fact that there has been a Mafia Godfather in both previous entries, this stands out to me. If my hypothesis is correct that DF is a traditional "Godfather," then S~V~S pushing llama to vote DF would be encouraging him to waste a lynch.

I note that S~V~S herself voted DF today (again, over something she didn't like).

Furthermore, in a Mafia context, I doubt S~V~S ever finds llama remotely sincere. That's his way. He's a snake oil salesman. He's a character from a friggin Flannery O' Connor story. Here he is now.

S~V~S even acknowledged his penchant for being "quirky and quixotic," but he's making "no sense right now." Outside of a blatant slip in which the slipper tries to save face, since when does making no sense on Day 1 indicate that someone is bad? Surely S~V~S has enough experience to know that it is civilians who tend to make the lesser amount of sense early on because there is no pressure on mafia to have to get their stories straight. On top of it all, it's llama.

S~V~S was okay with her vote because it was a convenient way to lynch a civilian. I'm calling her out on it.

Here is Epi's giant case against S~V~S. The first question I have is: If so much of this is based on Llama, then why the fuck did Epi spend D2 grilling nutella and not mentioning a single word of this?

That said, I'm not sure what the strategic value of a mafia Epi going after S~V~S on a solo crusade would accomplish. I'm given a bit of pause.

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This post is likely non-alignment-indicative, but it feels genuine nonetheless. So that's something.

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I like this line of thinking and attempt to spur discussion.

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Not sure I like this though. Again one has to dabble into WIFOM asking whether Epi would try so hard to redirect the lynch away from his teammate, but a D4 mislynch would have ended the game, so I think it's the logical play to make as a teammate. A Hail Mary, but logical.

Earlier Epi speculated on DF's role being a traditional godfather; I forgot to quote it. I'm not sure what to make of that discussion, but it follows that Epi really tried to persuade people into not voting DF D4 pretty much as much as possible. Make of that what you will.

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If this is distancing, consider me impressed.

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Very impressed.

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Epignosis is a strong mafia read. I'm not feeling 100%, but if he's town I cannot fathom the game he has played here. He defended DF to oblivion, his cases against nutella and S~V~S (but especially nutella) felt like he was splitting hairs and not making any genuine attempt to understand where the other person was coming from.

Someone please argue with me on this because if I'm wrong we're fucked, but I feel about 90-95% confident Epi is bad.

#677

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:To clarify on one point:

There was clear cognitive dissonance between my initial thoughts re: Epignosis & speedchuck and then when I revisited the voting records to develop this rainbow list. I originally had thought Epignosis & speedchuck were very unlikely. However, I felt the distancing could be there because of the lack of follow through, so I threw them in the yellow "I don't really know" area in the end.

ISO stuff upcoming.
Epignosis distancing shows a "lack of follow through."

Noted.

Hence my initial assessment of it being unlikely.

#678

MovingPictures07 wrote:He defended DF to oblivion

I didn't defend shit.

#679

MP getting ready to lose y'all the game.

#680

Epignosis wrote:MP getting ready to lose y'all the game.

Well, lose some of y'all the game. For some he's about to win for ya.

#681

Quin
0
No votesDom
0
No votesS~V~S
0
No votesDFaraday
5
Quin (2), S~V~S (6), speedchuck (8), Sorsha (10), Dom (15) 33%Epignosis
0
No votesSorsha
0
No votesSpeedchuck
3
G-Man (12), Epignosis (13), DFaraday (14) 20%golden (nons etc)
7
Golden (1), notsawyer540 (3), Scotty (4), nutella (5), MovingPictures07 (7), Spacedaisy (9), juliets (11) 47%

#682

Figured out the code, I think. A G A C C D D F G G G F A A G F C D C Now if I can just get in that room, lock the Others out, and figure out which buttons match the tune.

Here's my chance. I'm going for it!

Gotta keep those lovin' good vibrations happening with her...

#683

Night 4 has ended. G-Man has died.

He was:

Charlie Pace. No matter what you do, you're going to die, brotha! You will consume the mafia nightkill on night 4 (they must kill you) but you are immune from any form of death until that point.

It is now Day Five. You have 48 hours to find the person responsible for Charlie's death and put them down forever...

#684

G-Man is one of the coolest people I know.

#685

RIP G-Man. That's right. Guess I'm still alive.

I got distracted by an impromptu phone meeting with my dissertation chair.

I wanted to finish the ISOs tonight, but it's getting late and I'm tired. Might not resume until tomorrow.

#686

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:He defended DF to oblivion
I didn't defend shit.

Bullshit you didn't, you actively argued against his lynch.

#687

Epignosis wrote:G-Man is one of the coolest people I know.

I know, right?

#688

Epignosis wrote:MP getting ready to lose y'all the game.

Why don't you do something about it instead of just complaining about how you suck? I'm doing the best I can with the information I have to analyze, and your response is to just say "MP's gonna lose for you all hurrrr".

Fucking get off the pot and convince me otherwise then.

#689

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:He defended DF to oblivion
I didn't defend shit.
Bullshit you didn't, you actively argued against his lynch.

Nope. Try again.

Two different things.

I didn't "defend DF to oblivion."

And I didn't argue against his lynch either.

I cautioned against voting for him as opposed to his teammates.

Don't get cute.

#690

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:MP getting ready to lose y'all the game.
Why don't you do something about it instead of just complaining about how you suck? I'm doing the best I can with the information I have to analyze, and your response is to just say "MP's gonna lose for you all hurrrr".

Fucking get off the pot and convince me otherwise then.

You know, I have this crazy reputation of catching Mafia early on.

You know what else I have? A record of blowing it in the endgame.

I'd rather you go about your explorations and get your opinions in order.

But I'm Juliet Burke, the coffee civilian, and I'd really like to nab a third win. I'm not evil. Go forth with that. Assume it's true. Trust me.

#691

I'm not about to blow the endgame myself with tunnel vision, Epi, so you know I will give you a fair shake just like everyone else. I'm just calling shit like I see it, that's all.

#692

Screw it, I'm finishing these ISOs tonight.

#693

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not about to blow the endgame myself with tunnel vision, Epi, so you know I will give you a fair shake just like everyone else. I'm just calling shit like I see it, that's all.

I get that. I'd roll with S~V~S being good too (see our earlier dispute). That would leave you with three people to nab two mafia.

#694

MP's ISO of Sorsha

There really isn't much to go off of in Sorsha's ISO. But I'm trying.

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I'm not entirely clear what was going on with Sorsha and Llama. But this is how Sorsha voted. It is notable that Sorsha came under serious pressure early in D1.

Sorsha D2: MIA

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Some healthy paranoia or mudslinging? I lean towards the former, but who knows.

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This is critical. Sorsha voiced suspicion of DF; even though she missed the vote, this is worth consideration.

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...and that's it. A vote for DF on D4.

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This is tough. But based on in-thread content alone, I actually think Sorsha doesn't look half bad. I'd call her a slight town read.

#695

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not about to blow the endgame myself with tunnel vision, Epi, so you know I will give you a fair shake just like everyone else. I'm just calling shit like I see it, that's all.
I get that. I'd roll with S~V~S being good too (see our earlier dispute). That would leave you with three people to nab two mafia.

Who do you think they are?

#696

Epignosis wrote:G-Man is one of the coolest people I know.

this..

mp i have no idea what i'm doing
i'm sorry.

#697

Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:G-Man is one of the coolest people I know.
this..

mp i have no idea what i'm doing
i'm sorry.

Dude, it's cool, it's just a game. I know you've been having a lot going on lately. Whatever you can do will assist.

Can you maybe walk me through what your thoughts were on speedchuck whenever you get the chance?

#698

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:G-Man is one of the coolest people I know.
this..

mp i have no idea what i'm doing
i'm sorry.
Dude, it's cool, it's just a game. I know you've been having a lot going on lately. Whatever you can do will assist.

Can you maybe walk me through what your thoughts were on speedchuck whenever you get the chance?

i just didn't know what to do and saw he had votes and wasn't caught up.

#699

Dom, if it's not me and not you, then which combination of Epi, speedchuck, Sorsha, and S~V~S makes sense to you? I know you seem disengaged with the game, so don't feel like it has to be an even remotely informed decision. Just your gut evaluation.

#700

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not about to blow the endgame myself with tunnel vision, Epi, so you know I will give you a fair shake just like everyone else. I'm just calling shit like I see it, that's all.
I get that. I'd roll with S~V~S being good too (see our earlier dispute). That would leave you with three people to nab two mafia.
Who do you think they are?

Speedchuck and Sorsha.

Who killed poor Charlie?