Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 4]

[Sloonei]

I have no idea what mechanical wrinkles LC and BR have installed for their version of Inception. There's already one key difference: we are in a new thread and presumably new dream level, but we have a poll. None of the private voting hoopla that everyone found so enjoyable is in effect -- and those mechanics were necessary to facilitate the "kicks". Without that, it's possible there's a real lynch at work here. Who knows. I suggest we proceed with that assumption, or more generally just lynch a suspect the way we would any ordinary lynch. In the real game people goofed around in the lower levels to their detriment out of uncertainty.

I completely forgot that private voting was a thing. That does change things. Either way, I see no benefit in approaching this day as anything other than a regular game of mafia, but with a reduced pool.

[Sloonei]

It's neat to be dreaming! After hosting the game twice and never getting to participate, this is excellent.

i'm amused that we're in this together.

we should complain about everything

I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ISO WHEN I LOST ACCESS TO THE MAIN THREAD, LITERALLY A BROKEN AND UNWINNABLE GAME

[JaggedJimmyJay]

B A S T A R D

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Clicking links to nowhere in Sloonei's Mac review.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Spoiler: show

@Michelle and @Dom probably should have the same read as me on this.

to search this "this" at 4 am is not actually possible, can you quote it please?

You played scum with Nutella when Jack nailed her out of the box on day 1 in the Aussie game. It should mean something to you because you know how she feels about it. Does what you know line up with how she is dealing with him here to you? Looking at before I called her out on it specifically.

Mac calls on Michelle (along with Dom) to support his read on nutella. Michelle ain't got no clue what he's talking about and Mac spells it out for her. This feels like a genuine miscommunication that might not exist if they're teammates who can coordinate a move like this, but I may be overestimating the coordination between this hypothetical pairing. My inclination is to lean in favor of Michelle here.

This appears to be the most immediately usable bit from Sloonei's review. There's not a ton to be done with this, as it's one post with a minor role to play in the grand scheme of the 2019 Game of Champions. I highlighted a bit that I think could reflect decently upon Michelle, as the language has a sort of arrogant underpinning that a mafioso may be more inclined to operate with when talking to a non-teammate: let me tell you what you should be thinking. It's a small point, but it's something so sure k.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

G-man is the player in our midst who I've had the most substantial reason to suspect, but I started to cool on that as yesterday wore on. Without the luxury of the other thread, I can't review his posts for interactions with sabie/radishes/sig right now. If G-man is mafia, I link him directly to Radishes (and the other two by extension), which would make him the Anti-Monitor, which means he begins each day with -2 votes. A player beginning each day with a handicap like that might play differently. Votes are less worrisome, but heavy suspicion is a problem. Does anyone have any thoughts about G-man's viability as that role? I... don't know what that those thoughts would look like in a thread environment where there's no access to past days.

I think someone's approach to the specific mechanics of that role is dependent upon their general style and thus case-by-case at best. I am inclined to say that anyone who appears viably connected with that team is a viable candidate for that role. G-Man is viable accordingly. Regardless, you raise an important notion: we are in a thread of six people. If that role is present and opens the day at -2, lynching him or her is going to be quite difficult. Be wary of shenanigans y'all.

I hate shenanigans.

[Michelle]

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Because I lack a read on her.

Wow. Solid.
Good morning to you too ^^

[Michelle]

Dream level like in inception game, i love this. Instead that ocean of posts a small banter in 6.
Let's go!

[Michelle]

G-man is the player in our midst who I've had the most substantial reason to suspect, but I started to cool on that as yesterday wore on. Without the luxury of the other thread, I can't review his posts for interactions with sabie/radishes/sig right now. If G-man is mafia, I link him directly to Radishes (and the other two by extension), which would make him the Anti-Monitor, which means he begins each day with -2 votes. A player beginning each day with a handicap like that might play differently. Votes are less worrisome, but heavy suspicion is a problem. Does anyone have any thoughts about G-man's viability as that role? I... don't know what that those thoughts would look like in a thread environment where there's no access to past days.

You suspect him and you are voting me? How this works? Asking from curiosity..
Because the cyan tolds me you don't have on GMan a better read than for me.
And between a possible wolf in your eyes who is active and really playing you choose to vote an inactive who didn't have influential posts on the game but helped to lynch 2 wolves. Do I look like the happy busser im any of these teams?

[Michelle]

Reposting the VCs would be awesome but I made them directly on the forum :/

[Michelle]

I wanted to make an Iso for Speed. I still have the posts, maybe they are useful unfortunately timings and thread flow are hidden.

Saitama is mafia? We might as well give up now.

Mac flipped Saitama. Replacing with "Mac is mafia? We might as well give up now." made me chuckle ^^
It's just my imagination, not a real game thought.

I've not voted yet so I haven't seen the poll. Who is in the 4th slot on Nutella, Jack, and/or me?

Thar be scum. Bet me.

Yay! Someone else ascribes to the "fourth is scum" theory of vote trains!

Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.

Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

1. Reason wasnt crappy
2. Was laying out my thought process.

It would be imo so much worse to instantly switch off since Jack changed his mind, especially since I didnt base my vote solely off his read and two she wasn't a civ?

Not to mention I stated a few times she wasnt my top lynch which Is why I switched off once things evened our a bit.

Some of your reasons were crappy. And you had some perfectly good reasons. Overcompensating to justify staying on nutella. Meh. Minor sus.

Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

Expand on this, mr chuck

I got weird vibes from Ted D1, and then he appeared reluctant to address Dizzy's 'scumslip' on him. It wasn't the slip itself that bothered me, but his forced nonchalance about it? Something like that. Lol at her flipping votes, though.

The Mac read is nothing special. I agree with what Jay said about his Dom post, and a few other sentiments expressed in the past two pages.

Dizzy and Dom both seemed like fairly stable, level heads in the thread D1. I like town dizzy and town dom.

Bonus: I don't care to lynch G-man.

Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

I actually wanna hear this

There's not much to hear, yo. You give me vibes. Even with this post you give me vibes.

"Someone suspects me!? I LAUGH! Tell me of this inconsequential suspicion, fellow townie, and we'll work it out over tea." It's, just, it doesn't feel genuine.

It comes more from a PoV of me having a civ role and transparently laying out my thoughts, which would make me believe I'm obvious town (I never filter my thoughts) and me never being mislynched in one year of mafia is also contributing towards this. I'd rarely been suspected as town so I have high expectation when such claims occur.

Ok, I got lynched once but that was when I was on a holiday at the sea and I didn't care enough to stress myself

Too calculated a response. Bad.

I mean, if you're seriously genuine here, then you have an ego the size of a train and self-analysis out the butt. It doesn't read like transparently laying out thoughts.

So hey, if you never get mislynched, and we lynch you today, then you must be scum, right? Otherwise you wouldn't get lynched.

voted Ted just after but asked by Nanook he switched to voting Mac

I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

So we can start with him.

But I have a hit list, and I'm considering putting you on it.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

[Michelle]

On a whim, I took a screenshot of one of Michelle's posts to help me start to straighten out the multi-team suspicions. Here's Michelle's data, updated with the latest night post results:

Red = Team Master
Purple = Team Anti-Monitor
Orange = 3P
Green = Civvie

Day 1:
1 DIZZY - Tony
1 JACK - Sprityo
1 JJJ - Radishes
6 RADISHES - JJJ, Ted, SVS, Michelle, Sloonei, Dizzy
1 NANOOK01 - Sig
6 NUTELLA01- Nanook01, Turnip, Sabie, Jack, Mac, Dom
2 SPEED - Epi, Nutella01



Day 2:
1 G-MAN - Ted
7 MAC - Speed, Sig, Jack, Dom, Sabie, Sprityo, Nanook02
9 RADISHES - Tony, JJJ, SVS, Sloonei, Epi, Juliets, Mac, Colin, Turnip
2 SLOONEI - Dizzy, G-Man
3 TURNIP - Michelle, Tranq, Radishes



Day 3:
2 JACK - Turnip, Mac
10 MAC - Ted, Tony, G-Man, Jack, Michelle, Nanook02, Sig, Sprityo, Epi, Tranq
8 SIG - Colin, SVS, Sloonei, Dom, Speed, Nutella02, JJJ, Juliets



Sig being the Architect allows us to fill in his color along with the civvies who died last night. That leaves just one on Team Anti-Monitor (the titular role) and three still unknown from Team Master.

Let's all look at this and digest it a bit. This Inception stuff just splits us up. It didn't change alignment (at least not mine). I'll post some observations relevant to this group tomorrow.

Thanks GMan, i strongly doubt mafia would post such useful tool.

[juliets]

Is SVS essentially a stump now?

Ohh exactly, didn't think of it that way but that's what she is.

It's neat to be dreaming! After hosting the game twice and never getting to participate, this is excellent.

i'm amused that we're in this together.

we should complain about everything

This is priceless! As is Sloonei's response!

Spoiler: show

@Michelle and @Dom probably should have the same read as me on this.

to search this "this" at 4 am is not actually possible, can you quote it please?

You played scum with Nutella when Jack nailed her out of the box on day 1 in the Aussie game. It should mean something to you because you know how she feels about it. Does what you know line up with how she is dealing with him here to you? Looking at before I called her out on it specifically.

Mac calls on Michelle (along with Dom) to support his read on nutella. Michelle ain't got no clue what he's talking about and Mac spells it out for her. This feels like a genuine miscommunication that might not exist if they're teammates who can coordinate a move like this, but I may be overestimating the coordination between this hypothetical pairing. My inclination is to lean in favor of Michelle here.

This appears to be the most immediately usable bit from Sloonei's review. There's not a ton to be done with this, as it's one post with a minor role to play in the grand scheme of the 2019 Game of Champions. I highlighted a bit that I think could reflect decently upon Michelle, as the language has a sort of arrogant underpinning that a mafioso may be more inclined to operate with when talking to a non-teammate: let me tell you what you should be thinking. It's a small point, but it's something so sure k.

I agree this is a gl for Michelle not being on Mac's team.

Michelle, what was your read on speedchuck based on all those posts?

Well, it's early here and no one is up so I will probably go back to sleep for a bit. This is going to be a hard decision on who to lynch. I'm glad Sloonei and Jay are here because hopefully they will remember some of their analysis.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] thanks for giving us the roles at least so we can see what sig's role is and also have the list to reference.

[G-Man]

Only going off of the color-coded votes, I make the following observations:

-JJJ and Sloonei have voted on the same train all three days.

-All of JJJ and Sloonei’s votes have been for members of Team Anti-Monitor. This makes them both compatible with Team Master.

-Michelle voted once for both baddie teams and once for an unconfirmed player. This makes her hard to read.

-Looks like Day 1 ended before Speed, Juliets, and I voted. This makes analysis hard as well.

-Juliets D2 and D3 voted were for Team Anti-Monitor.

-Speed’s two votes are split across the two baddie teams. That muddies the waters.

-I voted for an unconfirmed and bounced between sig and Mac D3. Good luck with that.

[juliets]

I find the Interactive analyses more helpful than VCA in this game. I'm hoping [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] and Sloonei can remember some of what they did as pertains to the people in this group. The only one I remember is that S~V~S had high compatibility with Mac (I remember that one because it was recent and I was seeing S~V~S as town) but that one is no longer relevant.

[juliets]

I do hope S~V~S and nutella are allowed to talk in here and not just to whoever is in the main thread.

[G-Man]

Oh, scary thought. What if we’re all on the poll in the other threads but we can only see us because we’re the only ones this deep down? Maybe Jay and Sloonei can speak to that if their Inception game worked that way.

[juliets]

Oh, scary thought. What if we’re all on the poll in the other threads but we can only see us because we’re the only ones this deep down? Maybe Jay and Sloonei can speak to that if their Inception game worked that way.

I can tell you that's not the way their game worked but who knows about this one. I kind of doubt it though because the original wasn't that way.

[juliets]

Ok I'm off to work. Not sure when I will be home today, have a good day everyone!

[speedchuck]

Someone was saying Sloonei was likely on a mafia team in the main thread a while ago, but I don't remember the details at all.

[Michelle]

Juliets gives me homework to do but i didn't find her stance in this matter. I wonder why. Let's say she has good intentions but I dislike the question mixed in a post, when she usually pings to obtain answers.

Saitama is mafia? We might as well give up now.

this post, wether is from a player who knows the original role which is NAI, or is mafia from any team who thinks mentioning a scum member may look good.

I've not voted yet so I haven't seen the poll. Who is in the 4th slot on Nutella, Jack, and/or me?

Thar be scum. Bet me.

Yay! Someone else ascribes to the "fourth is scum" theory of vote trains!

The midmeld with Radishes is worrisome

Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.

I take from this that he TRs Radishes ot they are buddies.

Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

Radishes talks relaxed about scumbuddies and Speed comes with a suspicion at Sig. This can be scum theatre, but it can be nothing as well. In the context comes at -1, i don't believe in coincidences.

Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

1. Reason wasnt crappy
2. Was laying out my thought process.

It would be imo so much worse to instantly switch off since Jack changed his mind, especially since I didnt base my vote solely off his read and two she wasn't a civ?

Not to mention I stated a few times she wasnt my top lynch which Is why I switched off once things evened our a bit.

Some of your reasons were crappy. And you had some perfectly good reasons. Overcompensating to justify staying on nutella. Meh. Minor sus.

This chain is suspicious and may very well be a scum team interaction, to not receive a further "they didn't interact itt". The only good thing is Speed voted for Sig but i don't remember when and the poll positions don't reflect the order of the votes iirc

Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

Expand on this, mr chuck

I got weird vibes from Ted D1, and then he appeared reluctant to address Dizzy's 'scumslip' on him. It wasn't the slip itself that bothered me, but his forced nonchalance about it? Something like that. Lol at her flipping votes, though.

The Mac read is nothing special. I agree with what Jay said about his Dom post, and a few other sentiments expressed in the past two pages.

Dizzy and Dom both seemed like fairly stable, level heads in the thread D1. I like town dizzy and town dom.

Bonus: I don't care to lynch G-man.

Maybe is Speed speciality but this post is more a word salad, no offense.. Maybe is just me who don't understand it's meaning.

Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

I actually wanna hear this

There's not much to hear, yo. You give me vibes. Even with this post you give me vibes.

"Someone suspects me!? I LAUGH! Tell me of this inconsequential suspicion, fellow townie, and we'll work it out over tea." It's, just, it doesn't feel genuine.

It comes more from a PoV of me having a civ role and transparently laying out my thoughts, which would make me believe I'm obvious town (I never filter my thoughts) and me never being mislynched in one year of mafia is also contributing towards this. I'd rarely been suspected as town so I have high expectation when such claims occur.

Ok, I got lynched once but that was when I was on a holiday at the sea and I didn't care enough to stress myself

Too calculated a response. Bad.

I mean, if you're seriously genuine here, then you have an ego the size of a train and self-analysis out the butt. It doesn't read like transparently laying out thoughts.

So hey, if you never get mislynched, and we lynch you today, then you must be scum, right? Otherwise you wouldn't get lynched.

voted Ted just after but after, asked by Nanook, he switched to voting Mac.
My understanding on Ted's play (playing with him since summer) is that he has strong beliefs and shares them itt. Sometimes he is wrong but as villager he is like a rock. His posts are not scummy for me. Scum would not be so relaxed i think. But Speed finds him wolfy, and is more like it's a whim to vote him because he dislikes the playstyle without trying to have a real read. Is convenient to vote a player with not known meta.

I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

Rubs me the wrong way. Mafia is like 1/3 emotion. Villagers have an emotional force while wolves can have fear, anguish or delightful joy depending of the player's preferences. This post looks like NAI but doesn't help town.

So we can start with him.

But I have a hit list, and I'm considering putting you on it.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

If Speed is mafia he is aligned with the Radishes team imo. A tinfoilable slot.

[Michelle]

@JJJ did you ever vote for Mac?

[Michelle]

Welp.. 7:30 pm.. friday evening, bbl

[Sloonei]

G-man is the player in our midst who I've had the most substantial reason to suspect, but I started to cool on that as yesterday wore on. Without the luxury of the other thread, I can't review his posts for interactions with sabie/radishes/sig right now. If G-man is mafia, I link him directly to Radishes (and the other two by extension), which would make him the Anti-Monitor, which means he begins each day with -2 votes. A player beginning each day with a handicap like that might play differently. Votes are less worrisome, but heavy suspicion is a problem. Does anyone have any thoughts about G-man's viability as that role? I... don't know what that those thoughts would look like in a thread environment where there's no access to past days.

You suspect him and you are voting me? How this works? Asking from curiosity..
Because the cyan tolds me you don't have on GMan a better read than for me.
And between a possible wolf in your eyes who is active and really playing you choose to vote an inactive who didn't have influential posts on the game but helped to lynch 2 wolves. Do I look like the happy busser im any of these teams?

Hello, I never said I suspect you. I said I don’t have a read on you. My vote right now is not determined by suspicion, but by the player I’d like to sort the most.

G-man has not been much more active than you, if at all. What is your read on him, if you have one?

[G-Man]

On Day1, we know that Team Master had it easy. It was Team Anti vs 3P. Day 2 Mac was a suspect but not as glaringly as on Day 3. I suspect that Team Master was more likely to have a member or two voting on the Mac train to stay blended in the crowd.

Unknown Day 2 Radish (Team Anti) Voters:
-Tony
-JJJ
-Sloonei
-Epi
-Juliets
-Colin
-Turnip


Unknown Day 3 Sig (Team Anti) Voters:
-Colin
-Sloonei
-Dom
-Speed
-JJJ
-Juliets


So if we assume that there is a baddie in our midst, then there’s a higher probability of him or her being on Team Master.

My rough vote analysis suggests to me that it’s one of Juliets, JJJ, and Sloonei because of their two-day ‘avoidance’ of Team Master trains.

Thoughts?

[Sloonei]

I find the Interactive analyses more helpful than VCA in this game. I'm hoping @JaggedJimmyJay and Sloonei can remember some of what they did as pertains to the people in this group. The only one I remember is that S~V~S had high compatibility with Mac (I remember that one because it was recent and I was seeing S~V~S as town) but that one is no longer relevant.

I didn’t uncover many points about the players in our thread. I don’t think G-man or speedchuck came up at all in the section of Mac’s ISO that I got to. I leaned favorably on you and Jay, and had that lone point about michelle as well.

[Sloonei]

Someone was saying Sloonei was likely on a mafia team in the main thread a while ago, but I don't remember the details at all.

Nutella, but she always says that. I think Jack was also vocal about it too, and Tony was dropping vague suggestions that I was a suspect. I don’t recall seeing many details about a case against me.

[G-Man]

Other behavior to consider:

-Michelle voted for Mac on D3 when it was ‘obvious’ to vote for him. On D2, she voted away from the two lead trains.

-Speed voted for Mac on D2 when voting Mac was less of a sure thing. On D3, he hopped aboard the Sig Express.

Which is more likely- a baddie voting away from a teammate on D2 when they’re not exposed but then soft bussing the day it helps to fit into the crowd, or voting for your teammate on a day when you don’t really have to but then chasing the new hottness that might buy your teammate another day?

[Sloonei]

On Day1, we know that Team Master had it easy. It was Team Anti vs 3P. Day 2 Mac was a suspect but not as glaringly as on Day 3. I suspect that Team Master was more likely to have a member or two voting on the Mac train to stay blended in the crowd.

Unknown Day 2 Radish (Team Anti) Voters:
-Tony
-JJJ
-Sloonei
-Epi
-Juliets
-Colin
-Turnip


Unknown Day 3 Sig (Team Anti) Voters:
-Colin
-Sloonei
-Dom
-Speed
-JJJ
-Juliets


So if we assume that there is a baddie in our midst, then there’s a higher probability of him or her being on Team Master.

My rough vote analysis suggests to me that it’s one of Juliets, JJJ, and Sloonei because of their two-day ‘avoidance’ of Team Master trains.

Thoughts?

I don’t think it’s impossible that there could have been a busser somewhere in the last two days. I’d say it’s unlikely that sig was bussed yesterday, but radishes or mac could have been at any time.

By sheer numbers it’s more likely that we have a mac teammate here than a sig teammate.

[Sloonei]

Other behavior to consider:

-Michelle voted for Mac on D3 when it was ‘obvious’ to vote for him. On D2, she voted away from the two lead trains.

-Speed voted for Mac on D2 when voting Mac was less of a sure thing. On D3, he hopped aboard the Sig Express.

Which is more likely- a baddie voting away from a teammate on D2 when they’re not exposed but then soft bussing the day it helps to fit into the crowd, or voting for your teammate on a day when you don’t really have to but then chasing the new hottness that might buy your teammate another day?

Neither scenario is impossible, especially in a game like this one. A teammate could decide in one moment that bussing is a good idea, but then later decide that they can take advantage of the viable counterwagon. Without access to the actual game thread, I can’t really judge these votes.

[G-Man]

Other behavior to consider:

-Michelle voted for Mac on D3 when it was ‘obvious’ to vote for him. On D2, she voted away from the two lead trains.

-Speed voted for Mac on D2 when voting Mac was less of a sure thing. On D3, he hopped aboard the Sig Express.

Which is more likely- a baddie voting away from a teammate on D2 when they’re not exposed but then soft bussing the day it helps to fit into the crowd, or voting for your teammate on a day when you don’t really have to but then chasing the new hottness that might buy your teammate another day?

Neither scenario is impossible, especially in a game like this one. A teammate could decide in one moment that bussing is a good idea, but then later decide that they can take advantage of the viable counterwagon. Without access to the actual game thread, I can’t really judge these votes.

Oh, but we must. There’s not a ‘no lynch’ option, so we have to use what we have to make a decision.

[Sloonei]

We have this thread.

[G-Man]

We have this thread.

Of course we do. Part of that thread is the vote data that I posted. Ignoring it would be unwise.

[Sloonei]

We have this thread.

Of course we do. Part of that thread is the vote data that I posted. Ignoring it would be unwise.

I do not propose that we ignore it. I’m just saying that it’s an incomplete picture for me.

Based on the content in this thread alone, I like the direction of Michelle’s posts better than speedchuck’s, if that serves as an answer to your question.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My rough vote analysis suggests to me that it’s one of Juliets, JJJ, and Sloonei because of their two-day ‘avoidance’ of Team Master trains.

Thoughts?

I read both of them as civilians. They can and should speak to their voting decisions themselves though.

I was never really invested in Mac being alive. I felt Radishes and then sig were better, more confident lynches. I pursued them accordingly. Mac was also a suspect. Now he dead. Cool beans.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

juliets is my top civilian read in the game

[Sloonei]

I believed more in the cases against Radishes and sig than the case against Mac.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] tell me about your day 3 vote.

[Sloonei]

Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

[Sloonei]

I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

Has this salad been observed yet? This is salad. I observe it.

[juliets]

Juliets gives me homework to do but i didn't find her stance in this matter. I wonder why. Let's say she has good intentions but I dislike the question mixed in a post, when she usually pings to obtain answers.

Oh sorry Michelle I usually ping people when I don't quote them but I forgot to ping you. I do a catch up post every morning and they are usually a little long. I'm not sure why you dislike me asking questions in the post? Also, I didn't have a stance on your quotes of speedchuck - I thought you had done some analysis on them which is why I asked you. I'll take a look at them now and see what I think.

linki

[speedchuck]

I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

Has this salad been observed yet? This is salad. I observe it.

It's not salad if they're all bad.

[speedchuck]

Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

[speedchuck]

How are you guys even accessing all these posts.

[Sloonei]

I have no read on speedchuck in relation to any of the revealed members of either mafia team. Of the posts quoted by michelle (thank you and good work compiling those, michelle!), the general trend is that speed is expressing skepticism of every case but I don't see him really chomping down on anything, which is not the best look. I understand and appreciate that speed is on a tight schedule, but that does not tell me anything about his alignment. I have no clear sense of where his head is at in this game.

[Sloonei]

How are you guys even accessing all these posts.

I assume michelle had them saved before the thread disappeared on us. That's how I posted my mac stuff earlier.

[Sloonei]

But why she had those posts saved, I cannot tell you.

[speedchuck]

@speedchuck tell me about your day 3 vote.

Day 3 was my vote for Mac, yes?

Sig's slip relied on Mac being scum. It made more sense to lynch Mac first, to be sure. I've pretty consistently agreed with Dom's passionate reads on the both of them, from D2 or even earlier.

I did scumread Sig earlier, but by Day 3 Mac was just as good a lynch.

[Sloonei]

I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

Has this salad been observed yet? This is salad. I observe it.

It's not salad if they're all bad.

Yes it is. How do you feel about each of us here? Who is your top non-sig suspect outside of this thread?

[speedchuck]

I have no read on speedchuck in relation to any of the revealed members of either mafia team. Of the posts quoted by michelle (thank you and good work compiling those, michelle!), the general trend is that speed is expressing skepticism of every case but I don't see him really chomping down on anything, which is not the best look. I understand and appreciate that speed is on a tight schedule, but that does not tell me anything about his alignment. I have no clear sense of where his head is at in this game.

That's my gameplay style, I think. Skepticism, the voice of reason, and calling out crap. Active pursuit is a rarer thing, and requires time. I prefer to make observations, corrections, and reality checks for people to build off of.