Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 7]

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Oh so splints screw up wasnt actually a screw up. She had that role who votes for the ones at the side. Interesting.

[Golden]

I also said "TB was not Adam Smith" since I was fearing that my claim for role checker wouldn't be bought and they'd NK Turnip on N4 anyway, and I panicked a bit. I really just was trying to bait the NK in whatever way I could.

I knew that that's exactly what you were doing and it was much appreciated The extra night let me confirm that Bass was bad. I thought I had enough resources to buy an NK protect that night, but I was foolishly mistaken as always :P

That night... was my most tense moment in the game. For me to win, you had to die then. If it failed, game over. Actually, it felt like I was walking on a tightrope the entire game, everything had to break just the way I wanted it to.

[Tangrowth]

MP, you went before TH because I knew where TH was going the next day, and I didn't believe he was going to rustle me before I killed him.

You, on the other hand - I wasn't 100% certain you were not the guy who could create btsc, and that you hadn't simply met Adam Smith and tragetted splints overnight that night. That's why you had to die first. In hindsight, I'm guessing that person is Sloonei or Epi.

(thanks for killing epi, by the way. My civilian self paved the way for my mafia self to win, in one sense).

Makes sense.

I could never peg anyone for the temporary BTSC guy, so if that was Epi and I killed him, then whoops.

But I have no regrets, even though Epi wasn't mafia, because his play was counterproductive to the extreme, and it seriously temporarily sucked the fun out of the game for me. Completely. I really was hoping he was bad, and I was convinced of Epi/Elo at that point, so I thought it made more sense to NK Epi since he can talk his way out of the lynch, and instead just lynch Elo.

As usual, my gut at the beginning of games was off.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also I sucked a lot with my role gameplay wise. I gave resources to Golden and took them from Adam Smith. Lol sorry.

(Not for making you sing and rap. That was awesome)

[Tangrowth]

I also said "TB was not Adam Smith" since I was fearing that my claim for role checker wouldn't be bought and they'd NK Turnip on N4 anyway, and I panicked a bit. I really just was trying to bait the NK in whatever way I could.

I knew that that's exactly what you were doing and it was much appreciated The extra night let me confirm that Bass was bad. I thought I had enough resources to buy an NK protect that night, but I was foolishly mistaken as always :P

I was actually really glad when I saw myself die, in a way, since I was hoping you'd check G-Man. :P But I knew regardless of who you would check, as long as it worked, it was a success.

That said, it was a very bittersweet moment, since I loved the shit out of this game, and I was really sad at first to leave it, even though I was actively baiting my own death.

I'm glad you appreciated it. I was hoping you would.

[Tangrowth]

I wasn't thinking clearly on items at all. I wish I was, but it wouldn't have mattered since I failed the contest anyway. I was trying to save for a resurrect, which was dumb.

[Golden]

splints vote for aether was also a vote for black rock...

How clever. Splints, you played that role very well. It's a shame no-one ever came up with that explanation.

[Tangrowth]

Also I sucked a lot with my role gameplay wise. I gave resources to Golden and took them from Adam Smith. Lol sorry.

(Not for making you sing and rap. That was awesome)

No worries, man. It was awesome, haha.

Sorry if I seemed bummed out over it, I'm just ashamed of my singing and usually don't like to sing in front of people.

[Tangrowth]

splints vote for aether was also a vote for black rock...

How clever. Splints, you played that role very well. It's a shame no-one ever came up with that explanation.

Well, I knew it. :P But I obviously didn't want to advertise it.

[Golden]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

GOD. FUCKING. DANMIT.

Great game Golden. Best bad perfotmance I've seen in a while.

Dat bussing. One does not simply bus like you and bwt did.

I have never bussed like that before either.

I'm sure Roxy and Bass won't mind how many wins is that for Bass this year?

[Tangrowth]

Bass now has 5 wins this year. I can't believe it.

[Tangrowth]

And 3 for Roxy.

[Golden]

G-Man, you have no idea how much I loved playing this game with you. Your dedication to the memes was nothing short of legendary.

I apologise for being a coward although when I read that post telling me to NK you, I literally laughed out loud at my screen. It was awesome!

[Tangrowth]

I'll update the Hall of Fame later when I know whether to include BWT.

[Tangrowth]

G-Man, you have no idea how much I loved playing this game with you. Your dedication to the memes was nothing short of legendary.

I apologise for being a coward although when I read that post telling me to NK you, I literally laughed out loud at my screen. It was awesome!

I agree, G-Man. It was a pleasure, despite the fact that your usage of pictures and WIFOM really annoyed me at times, I couldn't deny you were owning it. I laughed at so many of your pictures, they were perfect.

[Golden]

G-Man, I'm still floored. Your behavior was so textbook mafia, I just cannot believe this flip. You were WIFOMing all over the place and I don't understand why you did everything that you did this game. I don't apologize for pursuing my suspicion, but I was obviously mistaken.

I should have known it was too good to be true. :P

This. G-Man basically created a situation where no townie in their right mind would want to lynh anyone else, specially not on lylo (in facts this is probably why Golden pushed for the sanmateo lynch so he could have G-man on lylo). He was acting more scummy than the entire bad team combined.

I give you kudos for the gargantuan amount of commitment yiu put to your image thing, tho. Great game, it was a pleasure playing with you. G-Man.

Specially when I got to make you and MP sing.

Honestly I pushed sanmateo because I would have if I was civilian.

In the thread, I tried to stick to one single perspective. If I am not mafia, if I'm civilian, what is my theory of the game.

In my theory of the game, G-Man looked more civ than sanmateo did, to me.

I didn't care who died on lylo, but what surprised me is how hard it was to get things going on vomps. I was quite comfortable to see G-Man survive until the 1-1.

[Tangrowth]

Brilliantly played, Golden. Seriously. You have an outstanding civilian game and you replicated it well here.

[G-Man]

Hey look! G-Man's posting in words again! I bet that almost feels wrong to most of you.

Holy crap you guys, I made 252 posts in this game with just pictures, memes, videos, and/or links! I am officially certifiable.

This was a lot of fun for my first true speed game here at The Syndicate (LMS3 doesn't really count but it was lots of fun too!). Many thanks to our hosts, who not only tolerated my picture-posting craziness, but apparently enjoyed every minute of it. The picture posts were absolutely my choice after my hand was forced early on.

Almost everything I laid out in this post here was 100% true:

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This will be the only time until after the game has ended that I will actually use words because this is going to take quite a few of them. After Last Man Standing 3, I thought I would take a break. For those of you who do not know, prior to Last Man Standing 3, I had not played a mafia game since 2011 or 2012. The years blur together. I think the last game I played before LMS3 was either Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy or The Big Lebowski on The Piano (may it rest in peace).

So anyway, my whole point of joining The Syndicate is to run a game of mine called Endgame: Secret Mafia III. I was excited to find a new forum with many familiar names from my days at The Piano. Realizing just how long I had been away from the game, I decided to do more than just put my game on the hosting poll (not this one but the next one- my wife is due in October and I'm not even about to make my life potentially any busier at that time). To properly reassess the structure of my game, and to reacquaint myself with the insanity that comes with a good mafia-playing crowd, I decided to follow the Roger Rabbit speed game.

Boy that was fun to follow! It seemed like I was transported back to old, familiar, and loveable times. Yes, I felt I had come to the right place and my game now had to happen. Then I decided to put myself back into practice by joining a speed game. LMS3 was perfect because it was so unlike normal mafia. It offered me the chance to get my feet wet with the rigors of posting and interacting with different personalities but without all the crazy that comes with hunting or being hunted. It was great.

I didn't intend to play the next game but then this one got bounced up the hosting queue. As an accountant, the geek in me screamed like a giddy little girl. I signed up, expecting this game to be like LSM3 and like the speed games from The Piano- light on commitment and heavy on fun. What I got was the opposite.

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I never encountered a Day 0 at The Piano (or at least I never noticed one), so I more or less blew it off. Catching up on almost three full pages wasn't so bad and I figured it was just pre-game excitement. The next time I pop into the game to catch up on Day 1 I'm greeted by four new pages of content to read. "Eff me- are you serious!?" I thought to myself. That's 160 posts. My heart, brain, and gut (being years removed from serious game play, mind you) all agreed on the same decision: "Pfft! Nah." I skimmed page 7 and saw Epi harping on adverbs, which lead me to do a Google Image search for 'adverbs are the devil' hoping some English teacher somewhere made a meme of The Waterboy's mom. The image results were disappointing but I at least found one funny enough to post:

I thought I might be able to skate by on that and maybe a witty comment or two before calling it a night but then JJJ threw this at me:

~insert adverb devil image thing here~

what are your thoughts on... anything?

This prompted the only moment of panic I have felt all game. If I lied and said I was catching up on the thread, I would be expected to contribute my findings. My heart, brain, and gut all shouted "oh, hell no!" to that, so I took advantage of JJJ's open-ended question and threw out some Jack handy videos. Then MP, on the basis of two stinking posts, throws this at me:

G-Man, are you cursed?

Heart and Gut say "hot damn, now there's an idea!" but Brain says "yeah but who the hell gets cursed on Day 1?" So I decide to be ambiguous about it:

G-Man, are you cursed?

I make a few more no-word posts and call it a night, thinking I can somehow actually get caught up on the game the next day at lunch.

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So what does lunch bring me but another 3 pages to catch up on. "This is not the speed mafia of old," I say to myself. "These guys are treating speed mafia as seriously as a full game. That's not for me." It was at this point that out of sheer laziness and a little bit of goofiness that I decide to only use pictures, videos, and smileys to communicate. I figured that I would keep expectations on me pretty low for a little while. I made a few posts but made sure never to acknowledge a curse. Right around here:

is where I went off the deep end. I figured I'd turn my participation in this game into a weird hybrid: part sociology experiment and part performance art. I was going to push people to their limits. I would give the appearance of trying to participate and see if the rest of you would tolerate something different. I'll save my criticisms of your openness to new ideas and methods for after the game.

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At first I went after JJJ with the evil teddy bear image because, on the surface, he seemed pretty intense and accusatory. He was also posting a buttload of content and was one of the chief reasons I wasn't about to try and catch up.

The next day I upped the ante yet again. If I was going to communicate, I had to have a glossary. I came up with pictures for every player and began building up a list of words that would help me get varying points across to the thread. I now have a working picture glossary spreadsheet of almost 100 picture words. It's awesome! Posting in pictures really, truly does suck but I was determined to suffer for my art to the end. (Well, I suffered for my art until I discovered just how darn easy and funny meme generation can be.)

My Day 1 vote was utter shit. It was a 100% uninformed vote. I knew from see other people's posts that Epi usually gets taken out early and he certainly seems like a pretty rash (but probably loveable) guy. From what little I actually did skim, I thought MP was being a mini-JJJ but a little less objective. In the end I voted for Golden only because I had no read on Golden out of the three of them.

During the Night 1, I actually tried to skim through the first 24 pages of the game thread. My eyes glazed over somewhere around page 15 I think, but it was somewhat informative. I latched onto JJJ's mostly objective posts and based much of my first Player Read posts on his sus list but with a few modifications- remember, I skimmed the thread instead of actually reading it so I missed a lot of stuff that others probably caught while paying more attention. From Day 2 onward though, I actually did try to read as much as I could.

My Day 2 vote for Elo was legit- from my skimming, it sounded like MP was trying way too hard and was getting to emotional in the thread so it sounded to me like they were manufacturing distance from each other. When Elo flipped Serial Killer, I was stuck on the fence with MP. He and Epi may have been manufacturing distance from each other but it made no sense for Elo to get in the middle of it. Very weird.

I loved making this post:

because When Harry Met Sally is a terrific film and it was true- I'm not faking a curse. I made a conscious decision to post in an unorthodox manner. Plus, any time you can incorporate a fake orgasm scene into a mafia game is just awesome.

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Since actually starting to try on Day 2, my reads have mostly been tone reads but still partially based on the rainbow lists some of you have been making. You know- being blendy and all that. I actually have been very busy at work and it's been insane trying to participate in this game during work hours. On top of it, my wife doesn't even know I'm playing this game, so it's been difficult to play at home too. I just tell her I'm working on stuff for our development's Home Owners Association (I'm one of the board members- yay adult responsibilities!).

Black Rock's tone and the fact that she missed a second vote was a legit concern to me. I figured a Piano veteran like her might still do what we did at The Piano- the baddies would either dial their games in or intentionally miss votes. I hadn't noticed the posts about her being sick until after I voted for her. So TH's meta-read totally did it for me. She was already on my list but now I was sold on BR being baddie.

My first self-created meme post was probably my undoing. It was taking so much time just to copy picture addresses from my spreadsheet, format them, and preview it to make sure the post came out right. DDL wanted a more specific response so I went with a meme:

G-Man, could you attempt to explain why you suspect me?

While it's meant participating more and crafting more detailed responses, it's been liberating in a way. Almost like reaching the second level of this crazy thing I am doing. And I love how there always seems to be a meme picture on tap that fits the tone I want to convey with my words. Love. It!

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This was a legitimate thought. Then DDL came in and poo-pooed it all Ivory Tower like so I went back and looked up what he thought about it because I saw a lot of chatter about Adam Smith. For the record, I totally missed this post by DDL:

And now that I notice the write-up is called "Invisible Hands". I doubt hosts would give away roles like this, but it's a big coincidence lol.

Had I seen it I wouldn't have gone on my snide and snarky streak on DDL but it was still fun and constructive for me to put a little pressure on him. I couldn't let well enough alone though and tossed another comment his way this morning. I do think he is bad but that suspicion is based entirely on tone and how he talks to people.

Then MP comes flying out of nowhere firing on all cylinders, wailing on me about faking this whole picture thing. My only question is this: what the hell took yo so long? I was pleasantly surprised at how long I was able to coast in this game. MP, I really did re-read over lunch and my last batch of player reads are legit. Maybe I never played a game with you back in the day where you went off like you've been doing this game, but damn. I should have been the bigger man and ignored him but I can't help but goad a little with all these cutting memes at my disposal.

All of my reads have been individual reads. I'm just not skilled enough at people reading to read people in terms of relationships. I'm a little too linear that way. I wasn't good at it when I first started playing mafia but I never bothered to hone that skill. When you've got it, flaunt it. When you don't have it, why bother?

So where am I right now? I think I would vote for Roxy if I had to vote right now. Some of the interactions that were pointed out and some of the meta looks pretty sound to me. But, then again, what do I know? I'm terrible at reading people.

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So that pretty much sums it up. Instead of watching the Rangers-Lightning game on TV, I've been here for two hours working on this post. Glad I won't have to do that tomorrow because I'm much more pumped for the Blackhawks-Ducks game than I was for tonight's hockey game. This has been a fun little experiment and, if I don't get lynched today, I will continue to post in pictures for the remainder of the game.

I am a civvie. Not a particularly good one but a civvie nonetheless. I have been playing more for myself than for the civvie cause in general, which is probably poor form. Then again, I never knew speed mafia to be this darn important and serious. Definitely some culture shock on my part.

As a closing bit of fun, here is a song that I considered singing for my required video but I was told that rap was not acceptable and wasn't sure if the first part would get me in trouble. It's sort of my theme song, you know.

In truth, I probably didn't start to care until Night 2 or early Day 3 before TH posted his scathing case on Black Rock. All I cared about doing was skimming the thread well enough to pick up on people's suspicions and balance mine out so as to not be blatantly copying anyone verbatim. Once I started caring, my suspicions became my own but my suspicions grew out of my lame-o copy cat suspicion lists.

Here's some truth for you: I was originally part of the mafia team. Before the reset, the mafia team comprised of:
-G-Man
-Jimmy
-Roxy
-Sloonei

After the reset, and once I started truly caring, I ran some probability on the likelihood that one of the original mafia team would be randomly chosen to be a baddie role (mafia or serial killer) a second time. I believe the exact number was something like 22% probability that one of the four of us was bad. When I went after 3-J early on (hey angry bear!) I had actually forgotten that he was originally to be my teammate. Once I checked the original role PM, I did a 180 on him and never suspected him again at all during the game. Once Roxy flipped mafia, I trusted that the odds were too remote for two original mafia members to repeat as mafia. It also didn't hurt that he was an absolute civvie stud with all his analysis.

My terrible civvie spider sense reared its ugly head with the Aether and Sanmateo lynches. That hurt bad and I knew we were screwed at that point because there was no way anyone was going to let me get through another lynch. I had dug a hole too deep and it was my undoing, but like Vomp, I embraced my inner viking and went ahead with it. I was telling the truth with my read on Vomp. I got BTSC with Mises and that fellow kept weird hours and seemed to line up with when Vomp was or would be active. So I went into the final day pretty confident Vomp was civ.

It took me a while to realize that Golden the Coward was most likely the last mafioso. Your reaction to my tin foil seemed to fit the bill. I walked into Day 8 knowing full well that I was going to die and that it would probably cost the civvies the game. I had zero trust in Vomp actually joining me in voting for Golden. I figured you out way too late but that gap in voting history really gave you the cover you needed.

I probably could have requested a replacement but I figured I ought to stick with the game even though you guys turned the post volume up to 11. If I'm going to get reacquainted with the game, asking for a replacement is counterproductive, no? I'm just glad that our hosts were okay with my antics. I was fully prepared to give it up had they mandated it but to my surprise, they enjoyed my little experiment of insanity. It certainly made this game one I will never forget, even if I ever want to.

I have more things to say but this post is long enough as it is.

[Tangrowth]

Here's some truth for you: I was originally part of the mafia team. Before the reset, the mafia team comprised of:
-G-Man
-Jimmy
-Roxy
-Sloonei

Holy fuck. That team...

[G-Man]

Oh, and while I have done some very off-the-wall things in past games, this has to be THE craziest thing I have ever done in a mafia game. Does this count as a gambit or is it just 100% unadulterated cray cray?

[G-Man]

Here's some truth for you: I was originally part of the mafia team. Before the reset, the mafia team comprised of:
-G-Man
-Jimmy
-Roxy
-Sloonei

Holy fuck. That team...

Tell me about it. I would have been in good hands.

[Golden]

Anyway golden what have I said that's pinging you?? Kind of disappointed tbh, thought you had my back unless golden 2.0 is golden ressurected to the dark side.. say it ain't so, dear golden. I thought your intuition was pretty accurate?

This was the smoking gun you missed...

Not who TB already had if she was akerlof - but who she was going to get next! It's why TB died. I had to ask and plead Roxy and Bass to change their plan - it was to be MP or TH. They were right, and I was wrong.

[Tangrowth]

G-Man, I will at least apologize for tunneling and not believing your explanation. For the record, I thought it was mostly true, but that you were omitting the aspects of your decision that were influenced by your alignment. I honestly thought it was more likely Rox's idea than yours.

There's another reason too that I thought you were lying but I can't talk about it yet! I think.

[G-Man]

And for the record, had the game not been reset, I would most certainly NOT have done the picture thing.

[Tangrowth]

Anyway golden what have I said that's pinging you?? Kind of disappointed tbh, thought you had my back unless golden 2.0 is golden ressurected to the dark side.. say it ain't so, dear golden. I thought your intuition was pretty accurate?

This was the smoking gun you missed...

Not who TB already had if she was akerlof - but who she was going to get next! It's why TB died. I had to ask and plead Roxy and Bass to change their plan - it was to be MP or TH. They were right, and I was wrong.

Wow, that is scary in retrospect. Well played game by TB! I'm looking forward to playing with TB again as well.

[Golden]

Everyone would be wise to respect TB. She's quiet, but she's got game.

[Tangrowth]

Everyone would be wise to respect TB. She's quiet, but she's got game.

I feel like practically everyone played a good game. This was such an awesome game.

[Golden]

You know how there are some mafia games you play and then you sort of forget in the mists of time?

This is not one of those games.

[G-Man]

G-Man, I will at least apologize for tunneling and not believing your explanation. For the record, I thought it was mostly true, but that you were omitting the aspects of your decision that were influenced by your alignment. I honestly thought it was more likely Rox's idea than yours.

There's another reason too that I thought you were lying but I can't talk about it yet! I think.

Yeah, you crossed a line that day but I'll forgive you for peeing all over my face.

It was bound to happen at some point but I didn't expect you to come at me so hard, so persistently, and for nearly as long as you did.

I thought about giving up on it a few times but every time I found the will to go the distance.


Heh. Sounds like I'm warming up for The Office Mafia game.

[Tangrowth]

You know how there are some mafia games you play and then you sort of forget in the mists of time?

This is not one of those games.

Agreed 100%. Awesome play from everyone, awesome hosting from our hosts.

[G-Man]

You know how there are some mafia games you play and then you sort of forget in the mists of time?

This is not one of those games.

THIS. I can't believe we pushed the final lynch vote down to the final three minutes. That was so amazing! I can't imagine what all the dead players and hosts must have been thinking.

I'd also love to see what all the naysayers faces looked like when I flipped civ.

[Epignosis]

I had MP pegged as Adam Smith at the end of Night 1. As soon as he started the "Epi is bad news I'm 100% sure" nonsense and I died I was shaking my head. He was simultaneously taking credit for killing me and placing a huge target on his back; I knew he would be night killed soon. He was.

Taking out Eloh early on was bad move too. Serial killers are put in games to balance things in favor of civilians, as they can pick off Mafia (if you don't agree with me, then ask yourselves why people put civilian ninjas in a game- they function the same way). When Eloh got lynched (and Golden, MM, and I were already gone by Day 2), I predicted the Mafia would win.

My "ruse" against MP was less of a ruse to gauge reactions (it was partly that). It was a ruse within a ruse: My real plan was to behave outrageously enough to keep myself alive long enough for the role checker to target me. One cannot account for the power thief to take over the SK kill Night 1 and kill one, can one?

I also had Golden pegged as the last Mafia as soon as he posted this:

So the game hasn't ended yet?

Yeah, I had quite a bit of nervous excitement about this lynch because I thought there was a legitimate chance the game could be over. Clearly not. Sorry epi on the bright side, I won't ask JJ to look at meaningful interactions between you and bass.

Golden was not in the game when I died. He had no reason to say "Sorry epi." Why did no one call him on this?

[Golden]

I'd like to think most of the dead players were thinking "provided there are no manipulations, we've won".

In fact, I think that is what most of them were thinking.

[Tangrowth]

G-Man, I will at least apologize for tunneling and not believing your explanation. For the record, I thought it was mostly true, but that you were omitting the aspects of your decision that were influenced by your alignment. I honestly thought it was more likely Rox's idea than yours.

There's another reason too that I thought you were lying but I can't talk about it yet! I think.

Yeah, you crossed a line that day but I'll forgive you for peeing all over my face.

It was bound to happen at some point but I didn't expect you to come at me so hard, so persistently, and for nearly as long as you did.

I thought about giving up on it a few times but every time I found the will to go the distance.


Heh. Sounds like I'm warming up for The Office Mafia game.

I was just trying to see how you'd react to pressure. :P I honestly had no anticipation of going after you like that either, but based on your responses, I really thought I was onto something.

YES, I can't wait for The Office Mafia. Your Dwight pictures were the best.

[G-Man]

My real plan was to behave outrageously enough to keep myself alive long enough for the role checker to target me.

Next time try posting in pictures. Apparently people cut you a looooot of slack even after they realize you're not cursed.

[Tangrowth]

Indeed, I thought we pretty much had this game.

And my face was surely PRICELESS when I saw G-Man flip civilian. I was shocked. I wish I could have seen my own face.

[Tangrowth]

My real plan was to behave outrageously enough to keep myself alive long enough for the role checker to target me.

Next time try posting in pictures. Apparently people cut you a looooot of slack even after they realize you're not cursed.

I could not believe how much slack you were getting, it's all the more reason I pursued you so hard on Day 4.

[G-Man]

The following three posts were my favorite to write:

I LOVED writing with the Joker memes. I actually listened to a few of his most demented scenes when I worked on this one. As I proofread it, I said it out loud to make sure it sounded like something the Joker would say. I was actually being totally serious but Golden the Coward didn't bite. Imagine the confusion killing me would have unleashed upon the game! You probably could have still won it all.

WAITING WITH BATED BREATH, G-MAN.

put your idea in motion.

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Another Joker post. I wonder- did the first half of this "confession" sound legit. I actually tried very hard to make it sound so. Also, the post-Bass lynch would have been my actual strategy. Once a FEB, always a FEB.

G-Man, that was a seriously awesome post.

I completely agree with your sentiment, and that IS exactly what JJJ would have us do, and I hope we do it. I'm very committed to looking at all options, and that includes splints even though I feel it is very unlikely I'm changing my mind there.

So, here are the questions your post raises for me.


What kills does a mafia g-man make? Does he really have an alternative but to make those kills?

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Finally, I worked so hard on creating this post and I was sad that I only finished it in time to post it right at the deadline. I really wanted the other three players to try to make sense out of it. I consider this one a sort of companion piece to my rez campaign in LMS3.

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[Tangrowth]

It's so weird but awesome to re-read those realizing you were actually town, G-Man. Lol.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

G-Man, sorry to say that, but you're not very good at probability.

You keep looking at the chance of a particular player being mafia after being mafia the first time, but the truth is that those events are independent. Every player has the exact same chance of being mafia, no matter how many times they were before.

Likewise, that thing you said about there being a low chance at all 6 noobs being town doesn't make sense. Pick any group of random 6 players, and you have the exact same chance of they all being town, regardless of them being noobs or not.

Just because something is unlikely doesn't mean it's more unlikely than the other things you should be comparing it to.

[Marmot]

I had MP pegged as Adam Smith at the end of Night 1. As soon as he started the "Epi is bad news I'm 100% sure" nonsense and I died I was shaking my head. He was simultaneously taking credit for killing me and placing a huge target on his back; I knew he would be night killed soon. He was.

Taking out Eloh early on was bad move too. Serial killers are put in games to balance things in favor of civilians, as they can pick off Mafia (if you don't agree with me, then ask yourselves why people put civilian ninjas in a game- they function the same way). When Eloh got lynched (and Golden, MM, and I were already gone by Day 2), I predicted the Mafia would win.

My "ruse" against MP was less of a ruse to gauge reactions (it was partly that). It was a ruse within a ruse: My real plan was to behave outrageously enough to keep myself alive long enough for the role checker to target me. One cannot account for the power thief to take over the SK kill Night 1 and kill one, can one?

I also had Golden pegged as the last Mafia as soon as he posted this:

So the game hasn't ended yet?

Yeah, I had quite a bit of nervous excitement about this lynch because I thought there was a legitimate chance the game could be over. Clearly not. Sorry epi on the bright side, I won't ask JJ to look at meaningful interactions between you and bass.

Golden was not in the game when I died. He had no reason to say "Sorry epi." Why did no one call him on this?

Is it just me, or have you and I been nightkilled very early in speed games a lot recently. Let's take a look at the last 4 speed games.



Economics: Epignosis and MM NK'd on Night 1

Last Man Standing: Epignosis and MM both suicide via the lover's death, Epignosis on Night 2, MM on Night 5.

Roger Rabbit: MM NK'd on Night 2 (Epignosis hosted)

Donner Family: Epignosis and MM NK'd Night 1



By golly, if somebody nightkills me on Night 1 in the next speed game.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

That said, your image posting antics were one of the most memorable things about this game. Well played, man.

[Marmot]

Good game mafia. There wasn't much I could do.

[Golden]

MM, I wanted to rez and recruit you. I even asked the hosts if I rezzed a civilian, would they become a recruit. They said 'it depends how grateful they are'....

Although, if I really could have done it, TH would have been the logical option.

[Marmot]

MM, I wanted to rez and recruit you. I even asked the hosts if I rezzed a civilian, would they become a recruit. They said 'it depends how grateful they are'....

Although, if I really could have done it, TH would have been the logical option.

Oooh, now that would have been fun. I haven't had a baddie role in a while.

[Marmot]

Also Golden, my vote was worth double. So you were in a 3-0 hole when I placed my vote on Day 1.

[Tangrowth]

A Turnip Head recruit would have been ridiculous.

Wow, I can't believe we reached almost 4,000 posts in this thread.

[Marmot]

A Turnip Head recruit would have been ridiculous.

Wow, I can't believe we reached almost 4,000 posts in this thread.

Says the fellow who literally made 4,000 posts on Day 1.

[Tangrowth]

A Turnip Head recruit would have been ridiculous.

Wow, I can't believe we reached almost 4,000 posts in this thread.

Says the fellow who literally made 4,000 posts on Day 1.

[Tangrowth]

SUPATOWN