The Syndicate

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:38 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:17 pm

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:15 pm [VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

I need to go to work shortly. I will not be back for the deadline. This is my final vote. I will reiterate the crux of my ted suspicion:

His progression on Marmot is hard to believe. It begins with this ISO post in which ted comes to a town read on Marmot. I question the authenticity of ted's analysis here: much of it is scant. He throws a few pointed questions at marmot posts, but also has 3-4 posts where says some iteration of "this is fine" without any elaboration on what is fine about those posts. The end result, in its entirety, is "marmot seems like a villager." I get that not everyone is looking to post a comprehensive argument for their worldview in every post, but this is hardly a convincing effort from ted.

Nonetheless, he does establish himself as firmly pro-Marmot in that post. Marmot is gaining some traction as a candidate at this point. Here I'd like to note that in GoC 2019, ted and I were mafia partners. Early in that game, ted voluntarily opted to go for an over-the-top strong defense of one of our partners in the thread (I think it was Mac?). So Ted is not the type of player who will shy away from bold moves like hard-defending a teammate who is under pressure. He is also a player who has shown a willingness to play into the expectations of what a mafioso is likely to do and look like in certain situations.

Having positioned himself as an opponent to the Marmot wagon, ted starts to reach out to those who are propagating it:

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:40 am alison - did you post the marmot case anywhere?

Alison provides Marmot with a fairly direct and well-substantiated response. Ted's response to that is...

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tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:07 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:58 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:40 am alison - did you post the marmot case anywhere?

I suspect Marmot based on one interaction.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:16 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:15 pm

His early case on Alison seemed like a reasonable Sloonei thought even if I didn't really agree with it

This is a reasonable KZA thought.

This interaction markets itself as being two townies doing solving and analyzing each other. However reading through it I can't find any evidence that either of them genuinely care about exposing the other's alignments. It's a bunch of play-acting and blowing smoke up town's asses.

got it

and i'm fine with a kza vote since i had a few thoughts on that slot myself early on

During my exchange with ted earlier, we ended up getting stuck on the phrase "Got it" because he claims he did not respond further to Alison's case because he disagreed with it and had nothing to add, and I don't think that "Got it" is how I would respond if that was the message I was trying to convey. But that point alone is not the extent of my gripe here.
I also object to this because of overall the progression from ted. It begins with the ISO:
- Ted is presumably inspired to ISO Marmot because he is becoming a suspect.
- Ted ISOs Marmot and comes to the conclusion that he "seems like a villager."
- Ted asks a player he views as leading the charge against Marmot to explain her case; she suggests that Marmot and KZA had a potentially incriminating interaction.
- Ted acknowledges the case. Ted responds to the case by shifting his attention to KZA, expressing a willingness to vote for him.

It reads like Ted is interested in engaging in a discussion about the Marmot case at first in the interest (if he's a civilian) of developing his read further. But once he gets that case, his response feels unnatural: he does not push any further on the discussion about Marmot. He pivots instead to the other player who is mentioned in Alison's case, even though both Marmot and KZA are implicated in it.

And then there was this:

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:37 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:34 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:31 am no, but for real, apart from alison's explanation, why are people voting marmot?

What in the actual fuck?

Why do you give the faintest shit?

because he was one of my few isos that i've looked into and i came up with a slight town read and just don't see any reason to vote for him

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:58 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:50 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:45 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:42 am

No not at all quite reasonable keep at it.

if you're trolling : how is it unreasonable?

if you're not trolling : reaction tests don't work on me

The mindset required for you to take issue with that wagon requires the following steps.

1. Need to ISO Marmot
2. Discovery that he is slightly townie
3. Observation that he has a wagon
4. Recognisation that it requires flagging

My issue is in point 3 and 4.

Problem the first. SPF and Michelle are not present to answer you. That is very apparent. So nobody currently wagoning rodent boy can even answer. Which makes your question an effort in posturing.

Problem the second. Who cares about someone having a 2 vote wagon containing people that may not even be up to date on the haps in a composition where there are multiple wagons greater than said number?

because he's being voted by people that usually have good reasons for votes and i wanna see what those reasons are

which is why i'm asking about it

I highlighted this exact progression in my Ted ISO at the start of the day, so I'm repeating myself here. But Ted starts from a position that reads to me as a protest against the Marmot votes; "Marmot is being voted for little to no reason." This point is reiterated in a separate post that Ted made near EoD, here. But once Mac starts grilling him over this gripe, Ted's position changes from the apparent protest, to "The people voting for Marmot usually have good reasons, so I am interested in hearing what they have to say." But I think that looks false. For one he will later go on to dismiss the argument against Marmot as "he's not doing much", which is not a good-faith rendering of what the case was at the time. Two, he had previously asked Alison for her case against Marmot and, when he received it, did not appear remotely interested in it.
I would also like to acknowledge Mac's original gripes in the moment here: Ted's posturing about Marmot may well be hollow given the timing of it. Marmot evidently only has two votes, and they are from two players who have not been in the thread for a while, and are not there at the moment. Kudos to Mac for bringing us this exchange.

That is my major gripe with Day 1 Ted. I did not love his Day 2 either. I thought his response to my pressure (both initially and a couple of hours ago) looked like it could be ted playing up the theatrics to appear like a civilian who is bothered by pressure (refer back to my experience with Ted in GoC 2019).

I have to go. I could still see a world in which ted is town, but I also feel overwhelmingly like he is my most concrete suspect. Nanook would be my second preference after him today, but I trust you all to make the correct decisions as we move word the deadline.

I didn't read this, but it looks well thought out.


[VOTE: VOTE TED] aubergine

No mafia openly admits this imo

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:03 pm kza is a strong town read for me

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:57 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:55 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:38 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:17 pm

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:15 pm [VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

I need to go to work shortly. I will not be back for the deadline. This is my final vote. I will reiterate the crux of my ted suspicion:

His progression on Marmot is hard to believe. It begins with this ISO post in which ted comes to a town read on Marmot. I question the authenticity of ted's analysis here: much of it is scant. He throws a few pointed questions at marmot posts, but also has 3-4 posts where says some iteration of "this is fine" without any elaboration on what is fine about those posts. The end result, in its entirety, is "marmot seems like a villager." I get that not everyone is looking to post a comprehensive argument for their worldview in every post, but this is hardly a convincing effort from ted.

Nonetheless, he does establish himself as firmly pro-Marmot in that post. Marmot is gaining some traction as a candidate at this point. Here I'd like to note that in GoC 2019, ted and I were mafia partners. Early in that game, ted voluntarily opted to go for an over-the-top strong defense of one of our partners in the thread (I think it was Mac?). So Ted is not the type of player who will shy away from bold moves like hard-defending a teammate who is under pressure. He is also a player who has shown a willingness to play into the expectations of what a mafioso is likely to do and look like in certain situations.

Having positioned himself as an opponent to the Marmot wagon, ted starts to reach out to those who are propagating it:

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:40 am alison - did you post the marmot case anywhere?

Alison provides Marmot with a fairly direct and well-substantiated response. Ted's response to that is...

Spoiler: show

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:07 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:58 am

I suspect Marmot based on one interaction.



This interaction markets itself as being two townies doing solving and analyzing each other. However reading through it I can't find any evidence that either of them genuinely care about exposing the other's alignments. It's a bunch of play-acting and blowing smoke up town's asses.

got it

and i'm fine with a kza vote since i had a few thoughts on that slot myself early on

During my exchange with ted earlier, we ended up getting stuck on the phrase "Got it" because he claims he did not respond further to Alison's case because he disagreed with it and had nothing to add, and I don't think that "Got it" is how I would respond if that was the message I was trying to convey. But that point alone is not the extent of my gripe here.
I also object to this because of overall the progression from ted. It begins with the ISO:
- Ted is presumably inspired to ISO Marmot because he is becoming a suspect.
- Ted ISOs Marmot and comes to the conclusion that he "seems like a villager."
- Ted asks a player he views as leading the charge against Marmot to explain her case; she suggests that Marmot and KZA had a potentially incriminating interaction.
- Ted acknowledges the case. Ted responds to the case by shifting his attention to KZA, expressing a willingness to vote for him.

It reads like Ted is interested in engaging in a discussion about the Marmot case at first in the interest (if he's a civilian) of developing his read further. But once he gets that case, his response feels unnatural: he does not push any further on the discussion about Marmot. He pivots instead to the other player who is mentioned in Alison's case, even though both Marmot and KZA are implicated in it.

And then there was this:

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:37 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:34 am

What in the actual fuck?

Why do you give the faintest shit?

because he was one of my few isos that i've looked into and i came up with a slight town read and just don't see any reason to vote for him

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:58 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:50 am

The mindset required for you to take issue with that wagon requires the following steps.

1. Need to ISO Marmot
2. Discovery that he is slightly townie
3. Observation that he has a wagon
4. Recognisation that it requires flagging

My issue is in point 3 and 4.

Problem the first. SPF and Michelle are not present to answer you. That is very apparent. So nobody currently wagoning rodent boy can even answer. Which makes your question an effort in posturing.

Problem the second. Who cares about someone having a 2 vote wagon containing people that may not even be up to date on the haps in a composition where there are multiple wagons greater than said number?

because he's being voted by people that usually have good reasons for votes and i wanna see what those reasons are

which is why i'm asking about it

I highlighted this exact progression in my Ted ISO at the start of the day, so I'm repeating myself here. But Ted starts from a position that reads to me as a protest against the Marmot votes; "Marmot is being voted for little to no reason." This point is reiterated in a separate post that Ted made near EoD, here. But once Mac starts grilling him over this gripe, Ted's position changes from the apparent protest, to "The people voting for Marmot usually have good reasons, so I am interested in hearing what they have to say." But I think that looks false. For one he will later go on to dismiss the argument against Marmot as "he's not doing much", which is not a good-faith rendering of what the case was at the time. Two, he had previously asked Alison for her case against Marmot and, when he received it, did not appear remotely interested in it.
I would also like to acknowledge Mac's original gripes in the moment here: Ted's posturing about Marmot may well be hollow given the timing of it. Marmot evidently only has two votes, and they are from two players who have not been in the thread for a while, and are not there at the moment. Kudos to Mac for bringing us this exchange.

That is my major gripe with Day 1 Ted. I did not love his Day 2 either. I thought his response to my pressure (both initially and a couple of hours ago) looked like it could be ted playing up the theatrics to appear like a civilian who is bothered by pressure (refer back to my experience with Ted in GoC 2019).

I have to go. I could still see a world in which ted is town, but I also feel overwhelmingly like he is my most concrete suspect. Nanook would be my second preference after him today, but I trust you all to make the correct decisions as we move word the deadline.

I didn't read this, but it looks well thought out.


[VOTE: VOTE TED] aubergine

No mafia openly admits this imo

Why not?

I don't know what Falcon is like as a wolf, but how often have you seen a mafia openly sheep a case and admit in not reading it?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:04 pm @Michelle next time don't mess around, if you have mech on a hugely scumread player say so. Don't wait the whole 48 hours

TonyStarkPrime next time don't mess around, if you're so largely scumread don't get all prideful and not claim. You weren't going to be the NK ever, even if you were what are the chances we get two wolves off of you? Also now we don't have your RB and vote silence.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:10 am

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:16 pm [VOTE: Al-Sama] aubergine

let's have a look at this

then michelle, spf and i go for al

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:54 pm feel cute might bury tony idk

then this

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:56 pmthis is fine.

^after falcon made the tie breaking move

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:59 pm damn rip tony

someone shoot al

the flip didn't even happen by this point

w a t

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:11 pm I don't trust Michelle anymore after that stunt but we have to roll with it because if either her or Ted flip red they are done

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:53 pm a quick thought:

if we live in a world where the POE is primarily inaccurate (like, let's say that 3/4 of tonystarkprime/tedextr/nanook/al_sama are villagers), then falcon mostly accurately fits the role of someone who signal boosted the consensus without going out of his way to push on anyone in particular. if falcon is a wolf then his play today allowed him to lead us down a bad direction while still keeping his hands clean. i'm thinking of posts like https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 18#p765418, where falcon agreed with the TSP/ted chops without stating a preference

i am still undecided on falcon's alignment, but i wanted to voice this concern now

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:42 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:41 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:39 amwho is dead?

Tony got chopped because Michelle told us she had mechanical info confirming Ted at the last minute, and for some reason people preferred to vote for Tony over al_sama.

brutal

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:57 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:55 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:50 am fuck u douglas ford.

boknows is dropping truth bombs in the thread right now

bhyes

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:36 pm I'm p sure you claimed mafia essooaaa

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:39 pm Strawhenge, you're a grandpa now??? Congratulations!! I had no idea

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:56 pm @KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:47 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:34 pmWhat'd I miss?

idk just do what I do and read what's in front of me and read back if u gotta.

Yah I'll order off your menu, what're you having?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:59 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:33 am i just remembered kza explaining that he's omgussy mann why do u explainn ur readsss that scummyyy dudeeeee only scum explain their reads

falcon
jay
mac
alison
esooa

---

kza

Tutuu's just openwolfing, got it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:16 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:15 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:14 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:09 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:56 pm @KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?

I don't think I have been? I'm not worried about him right now so no reason to redact the read anyway

Maybe that wasn't the right word. I saw you called him town multiple times, but I couldn't find an explanation before.

His early case on Alison seemed like a reasonable Sloonei thought even if I didn't really agree with it

This is a reasonable KZA thought.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:21 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:18 pm Marmot is giving me good vibes.

Are you flavored town this game?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:22 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:21 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:18 pm Marmot is giving me good vibes.

Are you flavored town this game?

do you consider vanilla a flavour?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:23 pm BK has posted several broken images, so signs point to scum

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:40 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:56 pm @KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?

Lots of people are, why's his townread notable?

I was ISOing KZA and I noticed instances of stating a townread of Sloonei but not explanation for it.

I think it drew my attention a little more because the three of us had a lot of interactions in Fallout Mafia, and in particular, Sloonei voiced strong scumreads of each of us at one point in the game, and I was concerned that KZA was attempting to pocket him early in this game after that happened there.

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:34 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:10 am

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:16 pm [VOTE: Al-Sama] aubergine

let's have a look at this

then michelle, spf and i go for al

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:54 pm feel cute might bury tony idk

then this

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:56 pmthis is fine.

^after falcon made the tie breaking move

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:59 pm damn rip tony

someone shoot al

the flip didn't even happen by this point

w a t

I was fine with Tony until I decided I'd much prefer Al Sama

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:46 am BoKnows is trapped in Ontario we can't consider his drunk posting an issue imo

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:49 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:22 am I took time away from the thread after EOD, but before I went to bed and after I woke up this morning, I had a persistent thought. The following exchange prompted me.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:45 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:40 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:28 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:28 pm That is a disappointing result. I really thought I was on to something there.

To be fair, Tony didn't do himself many favors.

tony was playing the way he does every game. i honestly never understood why he was public enemy number #1 and i think lunching him over al was pretty bad but hindsight is 20/20

I’ve never played with Tony before, so I had no comparison.
Is there anyone who you think should have “known better” or any reason to think someone who voted him wasn’t genuine in their suspicion?

Fingersplints and I don't have experience with TSP. To us, he looked scummy. The Marmot thing alone, which fingersplints banked on, was enough. I recall @Hally saying that this is how TSP is, before the chop. I seem to recall others saying so as well, but I can't immediately recall. So my thought comes in the form of a question:

Who amongst us knew TSP's meta, saw people suspect, vote for, and ultimately chop him—and didn't say, 'That's just how Tony is'?

Bonus question: Who amongst us knew TSP's meta and didn't speak up, but spoke up about other people's meta?

the thing is, tony just finished a game where he wolfed extremely well. he posted more than any wolf in site history and won in F3 of a long grueling game. it’s understandable coming off a win like that one that he faced a lot of paranoia in this game for no real reason. whenever someone has a good wolf performance like that people are always going to be irrationally paranoid the next game so they don’t get duped again

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:02 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:55 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:51 am @Hally who played that game you mentioned with wolf tony f3 that is playing this one? Basically who do you think might be justifiable paranoid?

here’s the game: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... =27&t=2055

jay ran it

boknows, falcon, kza, esooa, mac, spf, sloonei, nook, alison and lc were all in it

That’s a lot of the same people. Worth considering I guess, but I’m not sure I’d trust paranoia as an excuse there anyways. It’s ok to be wary of someone for a previous good performance, but I don’t think that’s a good excuse for voting for them.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:35 pm lol. "fake drunk". that's the worse shade i've ever seen.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:39 pm

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Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:25 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:49 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:22 am I took time away from the thread after EOD, but before I went to bed and after I woke up this morning, I had a persistent thought. The following exchange prompted me.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:45 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:40 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:28 pm

To be fair, Tony didn't do himself many favors.

tony was playing the way he does every game. i honestly never understood why he was public enemy number #1 and i think lunching him over al was pretty bad but hindsight is 20/20

I’ve never played with Tony before, so I had no comparison.
Is there anyone who you think should have “known better” or any reason to think someone who voted him wasn’t genuine in their suspicion?

Fingersplints and I don't have experience with TSP. To us, he looked scummy. The Marmot thing alone, which fingersplints banked on, was enough. I recall @Hally saying that this is how TSP is, before the chop. I seem to recall others saying so as well, but I can't immediately recall. So my thought comes in the form of a question:

Who amongst us knew TSP's meta, saw people suspect, vote for, and ultimately chop him—and didn't say, 'That's just how Tony is'?

Bonus question: Who amongst us knew TSP's meta and didn't speak up, but spoke up about other people's meta?

the thing is, tony just finished a game where he wolfed extremely well. he posted more than any wolf in site history and won in F3 of a long grueling game. it’s understandable coming off a win like that one that he faced a lot of paranoia in this game for no real reason. whenever someone has a good wolf performance like that people are always going to be irrationally paranoid the next game so they don’t get duped again

This logic says we should chop Alison

i wasn’t arguing that the paranoia was justified. i was simply saying it’s something that i’ve seen happen a lot after people have very good wolf games. i’m not saying it’s good, but it still happens

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:56 pm where can I find the votes?

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:49 pm i kinda think falcon just straight up lied tbh

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:04 pm this is awfully funny I m barely even active

anyways hey vig san just shoot me its better then wasting a lynch

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:45 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:36 pm

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:04 pm this is awfully funny I m barely even active

anyways hey vig san just shoot me its better then wasting a lynch

Can you be active, instead?

you're well aware my activity depends on my mood no??

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:50 pm so did bo just derp clear himself?

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:50 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:46 pm Marmot's Iso part 2
I don't have time to explain things, maybe tomorow if I am alive but I picked up what looked AI regarding the living players

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Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:46 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:43 pm my most hot take right now is that i find boknows mildly villagery

Ah yes, that is hot

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:47 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:30 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:26 pm

I also had a salad for dinner tonight.

my number one takeaway from this game so far is that i don't understand what "salad" means :P

"I would vote A, B, or C" is close to the prototype for the player salad tell. It's suggestive of keeping one's options wide open when not comfortable committing to suspicions. What's holding you back from placing one of those votes right now?

that makes sense - i would say that i am thinking in salad terms right now because of the particular gamestate we're in

i'm not at a point where i can confidently point to one player and say "this person is a wolf", but i am at a point where i can point to a pool of people and say "this pool probably has wolves", and vice versa for town. the more specific wolfreads tend to come later in the game when i've had more time to interrogate people and feel things out

there's nothing particularly holding me back from making a vote right now, either. i just don't feel particularly inspired to do it at the moment. it'll happen

JJJ said this game would be easy, but it never actually is.

Also, that's a lot of adverbs and use of the word "particular" in one post.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:30 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:28 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:37 am JPIC is reading more of the thread than he lets on which is generally towny from quote unquote LHF slots.

what?

It's obviously a leaking wolfchat.

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:32 pm Marmot is scum. I say this with 100% accuracy.

@KZA you have high confidence that Marmot is scum, what gave you that confidence?

felt like his last wolf game I saw. I incorrectly scumread Marmot at points in the last 2 games I played with him but this time definitely felt different

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:52 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:46 pm What can i do to improve your mood?

I doubt it can be helped tbh

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:58 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:54 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:50 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:46 pm Marmot's Iso part 2
I don't have time to explain things, maybe tomorow if I am alive but I picked up what looked AI regarding the living players

Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:46 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:43 pm my most hot take right now is that i find boknows mildly villagery

Ah yes, that is hot

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:47 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:30 pm

"I would vote A, B, or C" is close to the prototype for the player salad tell. It's suggestive of keeping one's options wide open when not comfortable committing to suspicions. What's holding you back from placing one of those votes right now?

that makes sense - i would say that i am thinking in salad terms right now because of the particular gamestate we're in

i'm not at a point where i can confidently point to one player and say "this person is a wolf", but i am at a point where i can point to a pool of people and say "this pool probably has wolves", and vice versa for town. the more specific wolfreads tend to come later in the game when i've had more time to interrogate people and feel things out

there's nothing particularly holding me back from making a vote right now, either. i just don't feel particularly inspired to do it at the moment. it'll happen

JJJ said this game would be easy, but it never actually is.

Also, that's a lot of adverbs and use of the word "particular" in one post.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:30 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:28 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:37 am JPIC is reading more of the thread than he lets on which is generally towny from quote unquote LHF slots.

what?

It's obviously a leaking wolfchat.

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:32 pm Marmot is scum. I say this with 100% accuracy.

@KZA you have high confidence that Marmot is scum, what gave you that confidence?

felt like his last wolf game I saw. I incorrectly scumread Marmot at points in the last 2 games I played with him but this time definitely felt different

So you had a 100% accurate SR on Marmot.

How your Poe looks like now? What confidence do you have?

JPIC and Al Sama are the only people I don't feel any towniness from (Dom doesn't count)

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:32 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:56 pm Al if you are villager, how can anyone reach this read?

what making me scum tho??

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:00 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pm Activity, my friend, and lack of interaction with me after I gave a TR for you. Townies are supportive and helpful. I know you are playing differently, but I saw you more active in many games.
Except you read me mafia and in this case I expected a push.
You look indiferent and indifference looks bad. You know how paranoid I become during a game

my play changes every game and so does mu activity

I m not scum reading you in fact you're one my strongest town read

pretty sure this isn't the first time you've seen me indifferent

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:10 pm “i’m too confused to make any reads but also i’m so certain ted is a wolf that i think michelle’s green check is wrong”

wat

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:13 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:10 pm

AL_sama wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:00 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:50 pm Activity, my friend, and lack of interaction with me after I gave a TR for you. Townies are supportive and helpful. I know you are playing differently, but I saw you more active in many games.
Except you read me mafia and in this case I expected a push.
You look indiferent and indifference looks bad. You know how paranoid I become during a game

my play changes every game and so does mu activity

I m not scum reading you in fact you're one my strongest town read

pretty sure this isn't the first time you've seen me indifferent

I know and I saw you playing like this as town. . Everyone else doesn't know though.

Do you have a link to the game in question?

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:14 pm i get the sense from how michelle and ted have been talking that this is not really different to how al plays as a villager? then what’s he like as a wolf? i’m struggling to imagine how he could be wolfier

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:33 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:14 pm i get the sense from how michelle and ted have been talking that this is not really different to how al plays as a villager? then what’s he like as a wolf? i’m struggling to imagine how he could be wolfier

He's not wolfier, just have an agenda-y vibe

does he not have an agenda-y vibe here?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:51 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:39 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:33 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:14 pm i get the sense from how michelle and ted have been talking that this is not really different to how al plays as a villager? then what’s he like as a wolf? i’m struggling to imagine how he could be wolfier

He's not wolfier, just have an agenda-y vibe

does he not have an agenda-y vibe here?

His scum range is wider than that, he would not go for just few players.

Even if he was playing his first game in a new environment with a bunch of new people who are being really loud and proactive?

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:56 pmlegacy: im kza.

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:01 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:59 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:56 pmlegacy: im kza.

You're wolfin..

i said im town. why would i lie about that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:03 pm nova has forsaken us.

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:26 am i’m ready for michelle to get day vig’d

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:16 pm

If agreed unanimously, the elimination can be hammered and the day cut short at the halfway mark.

Spoiler: show

@Long Con @Michelle @BoKnows @Oddmerta @Strawhenge @fingersplints @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Hally @Justplayingitcool @falcon45ca @Alison @KZA @staypositivefriend @Gavial @Esooa

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:55 am
Look, there is only one way this can go
Poll runs till Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


AL_sama 4 JaggedJimmyJay, MacDougall, tutuu, Alison
Alison 1 falcon45ca
BoKnows 1 Justplayingitcool
Justplayingitcool 1 Oddmerta
KZA 1 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Marmot 1 staypositivefriend
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 1 KZA
Oddmerta 3 BoKnows, tedxtr, Long Con
tedxt 1 TonyStarkPrime
TonyStarkPrime 2 fingersplints, Esooa
tutuu 2 Sloonei, Marmot

<snip>

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:02 am
Eod 1 VC
Look, there is only one way this can go
Poll ended at Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:00 am

AL_sama 4  falcon45ca, Long Con, Strawhenge, Alison
BoKnows 1  JustplayingitcoolDom
Justplayingitcool 1  Oddmerta
MacDougall 1  Marmot
Marmot 9  Hally, tedxtr, JaggedJimmyJay, Sloonei, Michelle, staypositivefriend, MacDougall, KZA, Esooa
tedxtr 3  BoKnows, AL_sama, TonyStarkPrime
TonyStarkPrime 2  fingersplints, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:05 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:46 pm Town: JJJ, MacDougall, Nanook, Oddmerta, Sloonei, Strawhenge, falcon45ca

Light town: Esooa, fingersplints, BoKnows

Null: Dom, Michelle, Long Con, Marmot

Mixed: tutuu, staypositivefriedn

POE: AL_sama, JPIC, KZA, TonyStarkPrime, tedxtr

Here's where I'm at.

@JaggedJimmyJay @Sloonei @tutuu @Esooa @Michelle

You guys are on Alison duty. Here's the rules.

Alison's current readslist is >rand accurate regardless of alignment. Her reads must remain good and she must remain day in and day out responsible for the pelting of wolves to remain above the line.

The idea is that we force her into the light, or force her to kill her teammates.

If at any stage of the game after I am dead there are more than two consecutive town mislynches and if Alison is still alive, instantly kill her.

As it stands I believe she is town and expect she will self resolve early, but these are the runes. Use them wisely.