The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:48 pm Speedchuck prolly bad tho.

Just sayin.

You’re probably right. I just haven’t put together the pieces yet

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:04 pm sorry i missed vote, avenger was good. i must catch up again

rip longcon

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:40 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

My townread on him has wilted and died

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:43 pm Honestly I think that's enough to lynch Luna on if LC comes back bad.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:44 pm Since there's a chance I may die today, Imma do town a favor and move my vote to Long Con.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:30 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:06 pm I saw the Luna post that Scotty quoted. I could see Luna being scum, even though I don't have any experience with scum luna meta, but I don't see that post as an indication of being LC scummate? I really don't have time to see exactly when it happened but if it happened during the Colin/Sloonei tie time then she could have been trying to save Colin by placing a vote on Sloonei and forgot what she had said about LC.

I'm actually more inclined to vote Luna today than LC.

(I say that because I haven't looked into LC in depth yet and I'm lazy. I wake up at 7am and have a 2 hour lunch then finished work at 5.15pm then have another meeting in an hour over dinner. fuck my life atm).

The case against LC is not dependent upon Luna being bad. What are your thoughts on the case Scotty (I think it was Scotty...) put forward for LC?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:48 am I actually think dunya is a pretty decent bet for who is bad if Luna is also bad. There was something earlier in the game about them being team compatible.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:51 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:48 am I am semi caught up but stuck in meetings with managers all day. I have some thoughts I'll share before end of day I promise.

I have broken the Colin and Sloonei tie. I had day 1 concerns about Sloonei and his ColinIsCool vote. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if it was early distancing masked as a pressure vote on day 1 after everyone questioned him about it.

I have more thoughts about Sloonei I'll share before eod. But for now, I have a bigger scum read on sloonei than Colin.

I have some questions for some Colin votes I'll ask later too.

Yikes. This D2 post looks bad in hindsight, don’t it? Dunya hadn’t mentioned Colin thus far except in context to discounting Sloonei and his “sloppy” voting. Not only that, but when the vote was tied, she had “questions” for some Colin voters. Seems like she was ready to give a big ole talking to them, but couldn’t think of any proper defense of Colin except to slander Sloonei again.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:26 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:23 pm Long Con and Colin:

Spoiler: show

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:34 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:18 pm Not gonna repeat myself. Busy, sorry. Check ISO.

Nova, townish. Epi, sig, town. Those were my reads. Again, check ISO.

I don't like the Colin push. I think it looks more like people jabbing a frightened animal with a long stick than real baddie hunting.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:40 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:20 am I feel bad for Colin... voting off wagon at the end of a close lynch isn't a great look but I'm pretty sure I've done it before. I've also regretted voting on a wagon just to make my vote count for something.

Well said, that's pretty much how I feel about the Colin Situation.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:58 am

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:01 am Anyone with suspicion of Colin, pile votes onto him now. I have an idea.

[VOTE: ColinisCool] aubergine

Wow you are definitely bad.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:47 am Not really sold on Colin, I think he will end up being lynched and a Civ. A lot of that is based on my dubiousness around the broad assault on him for things I don't really see as baddie-indicative.

Lunalee, maybe. I have no real issue with her being bad.

Sloonei... Mac seems to be on fire this game, and have a really solid footing from which to judge people, so his case on Sloonei is probably really good. I could follow a Sloonei vote. He also wants people to vote for Colin, but I am not sure what his endgame is there.

Hahahahahaha that last post I highlighted: “Mac has been spot on with his reads all game, so we should probably follow his case on Sloonei...also he reads Colin bad, I’m not sure what his motive is there...”


Oh come on, that’s blatantly hypocritical and it’s not even close.

LC looks bad. Good call, Golden

I have been asking people to look at this for a long time now. His Colin content is really really really really bad.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:55 am

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:10 pm Why are people voting Choutas?

tell me what to do plz

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:40 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:35 am

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:07 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:05 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:34 am I just cannot fathom this behavior. What even is this?

It is baddie LC. I feel very confident in it. I've been in disputes like this with LC when I've correctly called him out before.

I'm in for voting LC. I suspected him on day one. With everyone's suspicions, why is no one voting him yet? [VOTE: LongCon] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:54 pm I'm still not happy with my current vote on LongCon. Golden, you're posts are looking pretty solid to me. I think I'm going to hop over to sloonei
[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

@Lunalee what changed between these two posts?

I ditched my Long Con vote because my single vote on him was not going to do anything. I switched to Sloonei because of the two lynch trains, I felt most confident about his. I am still suspicious of both Sloonei and Long Con.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:50 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:42 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:40 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:35 am

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:07 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:05 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:34 am I just cannot fathom this behavior. What even is this?

It is baddie LC. I feel very confident in it. I've been in disputes like this with LC when I've correctly called him out before.

I'm in for voting LC. I suspected him on day one. With everyone's suspicions, why is no one voting him yet? [VOTE: LongCon] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:54 pm I'm still not happy with my current vote on LongCon. Golden, you're posts are looking pretty solid to me. I think I'm going to hop over to sloonei
[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

@Lunalee what changed between these two posts?

I ditched my Long Con vote because my single vote on him was not going to do anything. I switched to Sloonei because of the two lynch trains, I felt most confident about his. I am still suspicious of both Sloonei and Long Con.

But those votes were less than an hour apart?

True. I mistakenly thought the poll ended at 5, so I was quick to jump. I realized later that I had another day.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:52 am That Lunalee thing is neat. That's the second potential teammate association I've seen including LC (first is Golden). Spooky.

Don't have the time to read into LC himself (it's almost 10pm and I'm catching up on the work I missed while I was out car shopping today), and I don't want to vote him because of what otherpeople have said.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:52 am

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:53 am [VOTE: LongCon] aubergine idk why we are going after a wallflower when we have macs hunches still alive

I don't know why you keep calling them Mac's hunches when I clearly called them out first and Mac followed me. Stuff like this is bothersome in that it could explain Mac's death.

Noone should blindly follow the leads of someone who is dead. That's the way you let mafia control the action. It's great as a mafia to kill a strong town lead and then blindly go down their picks.

I want to see discussion not blind devotion.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:55 am Theory of the game! Baddie team remaining:

dunya
speedchuck
Golden

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:42 am You don't like my playstyle. I get it. It's not my baddie playstyle, it's just my playstyle. I really don't know how to make you see that, you want it to be true that I'm bad, so you're going to convince yourself it's true.

That's me treating you as a Civ. If you're bad, then keep going at it, I'm always a low-hanging fruit.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:03 pm Dom & Colin:
A big long post that I'm not gonna quote. Dom calls out Colin for his shady Day 1 vote, but then also calls Golden out for calling Colin out first. It seems that he disapproved of Golden's vote for sig in response to Colin's vote, and a big long discussion immediately followed between the two. That is not the object of my analysis right now, so I won't comment too much, but the line of inquiry looks very genuine from Dom. He saw something from Golden that he didn't like and he picked the hell out of it. Good look.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:11 am I am very bad at doing these and I am not a huge fan, but I am starting to like them, idk I'll try it.

Dom
MacDougall
M Plus 7
Scotty
Choutas
Epignosis
novaselinenever
Spacedaisy
speedchuck
Turnip Head
wolbre04
Golden
Jackofhearts2005
Kites
Long Con
lapluie
dunya
Kylemii
Lunalee
Marmot
ColinIsCool
Sloonei

Colin is second from the bottom on Dom's rainbow, only ahead of yours truly. Thanks Dom.

This post doesn't need to be long. Dom spends the rest of Day 2 holding Colin's feet to the fire. If this is a bus job, Dom was very aggressive about it. Given the climate in the thread at the time, it's not impossible, but I'm not going indulge in that much tinfoil on Day 3 when things seem to be going relatively well. Dom is a town read and was one of Colin's most vocal opponents.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:38 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:37 pm (It makes sure my reactions and opinions are a genuine reflection of what they would have been in the moment)

For what value? So you can look natural?

I do what Golden does too when I'm catching up so my opinions are unbiased and not influenced by other people's perceptions and analysis which could cloud my own judgment. When I subbed into Mountains or The Search for Quin, I just read the game from Day 1 and posted as I felt needed, from oldest to newest.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:01 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:11 am Also, what's trading? I don't recall seeing any trading. We talkin' items here?

Genuine ignorance? Would suggest town.

This is a decent point in LC's favour.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:00 pm I have been laughing out loud through pretty much this entire game.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:05 pm I mean, I agree with the Colon + Luna theory, I’m just saying.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:17 pm You guys are hilarious.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:33 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:31 pm Mac, gun to your head who are the remaining 3 scum
I'm going to apologize in advance as I work 12 hour shifts Friday nights and Saturday nights starting at 11 pm - so I'm going to be few and far between. (I'll send the pay stubs screenshots if you want proof :P )

Lunalee, Sloonei, Long Con

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:07 pm Wow, first scum lynch! I've learned a few things from this:
1. I don't feel confident in my ability to scum-hunt. I will probably review who all led the charge on colin, and follow their lead.
2. Defending ANYONE in game is a bad idea. I will suppress my nice-person side and not give anyone else the benefit of the doubt.
3. I won't be mad if you all want to lynch me next. I realize that I look pretty darn scummy right now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:34 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:22 pm All Syndicats are welcome.

I uh will pretty much be in Dom's backyard, I think.

where? Monadnock?

Yes

~1 hour west of me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:14 pm Has Colin even posted today?

linki: kay.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:07 pm I fully subscribe to the idea that Sloonei is Indy with wolbre, for the record.

On one hand, I don't think he's the ideal lynch target for that, and on the other hand, the realistic expectation that he'll join the baddies says to lynch him.

I hope that all the Sloonei voters are coming from a similar perspective.

I am not making a claim of any alignment here, but why would hou assume that an indie sloonei is going to side with the Persians?

If you don't join them, they will kill you for not joining them... which is why you will join them.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:16 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:04 pm Sloonei, it's one thing to be busy, it's another to fail to hunt. What are your reads? I can't recall any of them (and that may be my fault and not yours, but here we are).

My reads haven't really developed beyond the early Day 1 stage. I've felt good about you, dunya, and mac for a while. Marmot seems a bit more focused early on than I'm accustomed to, which I like. Golden is a player I've struggled with but I'm leaning town on him, though I've probably only read about 20% of his content in this game. This is the most active I've ever seen Dom in a game and on the strength of that alone, I like him.

Colin is the closest thing I have to a real suspect, and now my vote is locked on him if I want to survive anyway. I might look at lunalee next, but she's an easy target. Jack and Turnip Head both seem to be playing extremely loose and I'm not sure what to make of that.

That's all I've really got in the way of defined reads at the moment. Everything else is a big blur of uncertainty.

I need to leave soon as well.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:22 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:17 pm @Sloonei

Buddy me if you want to live.

Hey jack wanna climb a mountain tomorrow?

Noooooooo! Buddy me Sloonei!

All Syndicats are welcome.

I uh will pretty much be in Dom's backyard, I think.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:02 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:01 pm MP has used vote tags for all his votes.

I'm really not understanding this.

He said that before he voting Long Con... agian.

Well, that's probably not quite true; I think I failed at least once or twice to use the tags earlier in the game. I keep forgetting. But I'm trying to remember, and I did use them the most recent few times I believe.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:42 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:29 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:31 amAlso, MP said he was moving his vote to Jack, but didn't.

But I did move my vote to Jack? I voted you, then Jack, then back to you again.

My brain is frying. I don't see a slip.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:35 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:30 am Where did you tell him you were going to do that?

In my vote post?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:04 am That has to be the most manufactured suspicion of me I've seen in quite some time, and boy have I seen a lot of it over the years. Congrats, LC. You're now blood red in my rainbow.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:04 am [VOTE: VOTE: LONG CON] aubergine

You're full of shit.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:09 am For the sake of truly letting this LC thing go until I return, the last thing I'll do (promise) is move vote to Jackofhearts2005. I feel like of every player in this game that hasn't been really quiet, he's the one I just cannot get any handle on whatsoever. What say you, Jack? Where's your head at? Show us that supatown Jack we all want to see.

But just know that I also still think LC is bad (even if I have my doubts) and I want to know what you all think.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:11 am Oh, whoops. Keep forgetting these vote tag things.

[VOTE: VOTE: JACKOFHEARTS2005] aubergine

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:58 pm I'll move my vote back to LC for now. Before I left I was afraid I was unfairly tunneling him, but having returned to all of this and seen subsequent posts from him, I don't think I was. What is bugging me right now actually is this post, which LC made right after I left earlier today. What bothers me about it is specifically the second section the most, where he simultaneously is backtracking on me but also doubling down on his perspective that I'm strawmanning. It reads inorganic and forced, like LC's trying to still be consistent in his suspicion of me (which mafia tend to do) while also putting his foot off the brakes a bit.

[VOTE: LONG CON] aubergine

I'd still like to engage with Jack though.

That's the train of events. I voted LC, then felt like I was tunneling him unfairly so I moved to Jack shortly thereafter, then came back into the thread a few hours after that and decided to vote LC again.

I have no idea why anyone would think I'd be then moving back to Jack again. There's nothing in my behavior or post history to suggest that. I'm assuming LC's post comes from a lack of realizing my vote was on Jack for a few hours.

The fact that he didn't clarify any of this though and just acted pissed off with you all means I'm totally fine with lynching him. But I'm certainly not involved in this.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:39 am

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:38 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:37 am I also would like to say that if any of you all think I'm distancing with LC, then I have no idea what to say to that. My behavior surrounding him is not indicative of the way I would handle a teammate, but I suppose I can understand why the conclusion would arise.

"This is not how I would distance with a teammate. But this is exactly what distancing with a teammate looks like"

I mean, if MP7 is civilian, what would you expect him to say here?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:39 am

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:38 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:37 am I also would like to say that if any of you all think I'm distancing with LC, then I have no idea what to say to that. My behavior surrounding him is not indicative of the way I would handle a teammate, but I suppose I can understand why the conclusion would arise.

"This is not how I would distance with a teammate. But this is exactly what distancing with a teammate looks like"

Pretty much, yeah. I don't distance like this. It's sloppy.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:37 am I also would like to say that if any of you all think I'm distancing with LC, then I have no idea what to say to that. My behavior surrounding him is not indicative of the way I would handle a teammate, but I suppose I can understand why the conclusion would arise.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:12 am What's up, people?

I'm not sure I have time right now to catch up, but I have like a half hour tops maybe? Then I'll be back again closer to EoD.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:17 am Dom, you do realize that the mafia are the minority not the majority, right?

What do you feel about Choutas and nova specifically that warrants their current placement?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:26 am I mean he's clearly beating around the bush on purpose

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:28 am I must be dense AF because I don't understand where the scumslip was?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:09 am That goes for Dom, Golden, and anyone else who had the conceit and hubris to think they have a clue how to read me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:06 am

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:03 am @MacDougall I think this would bode poorly for Jack if we are right.

To be honest I had the opposite thought. If they were talking about it in the BTSC like. "I'm going to vote for you but don't worry I will switch back to Jack if you get votes" it seems more likely that Jack is a civilian that MP had picked as his fallback case in case of emergency and if that's the case he's more likely not in their team.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:08 am

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:05 amSounds like GOC LC

I hope you guys will learn from this and stick your assumptions about me up your asses in the future.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:51 am I don't think Turnip Head has done anything that makes him look like a mafia member.

I also don't think Turnip Head has done anything that makes him look like a townie.



@Turnip Head, there are no neutral roles in this game, what's your alignment?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:51 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:50 am Shall we all move our votes onto Long Con now?

is this real? I'm trying to wrap my brain around what you and Dom are seeing

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:31 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:06 am

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:01 am

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:58 am For example, right now, they look highly compatible as teammates.

I would love a bit of an explanation here.

MP and LC have a heated argument, spilling over from my interaction with LC. It lasts for a half hour and then both suddenly drop the hostilities and keep their votes on each other. Neither will get lynched today

I love your brain.

Agreed. This is beautiful.

Also, MP said he was moving his vote to Jack, but didn't.