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Yes but it was poorly attended. Maybe if another game requiring 38 players hadn't been going on at the same time, a few people may have stumbled upon it. Then again, a heist game featuring more posts than most Speed games may have scared people off too. Seriously, over 10% of JJJ's total posts sitewide come from this game.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Was there a Spectator Chat for this game?
The faux-flips were a kind of fusion of the game thread and the narrative element. It's a bridging element that was never (to my recollection) a part of either Lostpedia or STV games, so I would say it's something I came up with on my own. Two factors contributed to this mechanic's inclusion in the game. One, in college I did theatre and one of my favorite acting decision stories is the one that just got recycled when Gene Wilder died. When he first appears as Willie Wonka, he appears cold and weak, gimping along with a cane, only to stumble and surprise everyone with a spry and happy demeanor. Gene Wilder would only take the part if he could present Wonka in this way because, if his first appearance to the audience was a lie, then the audience would never be able to take his actions at face value through the rest of the film. It's brilliant on his part and on some level, I wanted to keep you guys guessing and on the edge of your seat throughout the game so it made sense to feed you a red herring for a little while.Ricochet wrote:Cool stuff, G-Man, I think it's clear how much detail and purpose you've put into the theme, the roles and the flavor - about the same kind I like to pigment my own designs, as much as possible. I wouldn't say there are any issues with a villanous third party role - in theory, anything could have happened to him, from Day 1 till endgame, it just happened to achieve a maximum potential this time. I also designed the Reaper in Triskaidekaphobia as an exiter, so I think that side of it is also cool beans, but in that case it was a benign role simply because I would have exceeded the 3-limit rule by giving it something to actually do within the game.
That being said, I do have two topics of inquiry that I sense could morph into issues:
1) if there is any actual explanation to the faux-flips we've seen in the case of the mafia team? I mean, I've read something above about baddies in disguise and plastic surgery, but... is flavor all it was to it? If so, I'd say the issue is when flavor would affect the dynamic of the game and the effects on the players. I think I remember at least one instance in which a fake mislynch reveal caused players to end up at each other's throat over it, after which the real reveal made one side emerge justified and victorious and one side looking, erm, poopy.
Of course, the kerkuffle happened to be between a civilian and a mafioso, so my case is not completely strong, since the mafia side probably faked being so berating, still, overall, I'm inclined to think lynch reveals are meant to deliver the facts straight up and particularly make the civilians face up either the successfulness or the misguided nature of their endeavour. It's clear you did not design any seemer / temp seemer / something alike, which to justify legit flip fakery, so yeah, I'd say Host shenanigans in revealing endphase results should be kept at a low.
Part of me wants to say I am justified in my actions because leetic hasn't posted anywhere on this site since August 28th but I recognize that I was sloppy in assembling my rules for the game. I should have put something out there explaining what could trigger an automatic replacement and I failed to do so. Because leetic was not posting or voting, I sent night PM reminders to all my power roles (I communicated with Epi/the mafia via the BTSC thread). On Night 2, I did inform him that if he did not post or vote during Day 3, I would replace him. He sent in his kill request and did not say anything about my ultimatum.Ricochet wrote:2) Now that you've disclosed it, I confess that I find the "Leetic was submitting kills but not posting or voting, so I felt like I had to replace him." slightly questionable. Part of that is due to the fact that I don't think you designed or even alluded to the fact that not posting would eventually consistute a game offence deserving removal or replacement - maybe I've missed it, but I don't see it. Then, a preliminary question would be if you contacted leetic to ask if his method is intentional.
All in all, believe me, I'm probably the #1 inactive hater, precisely because of how they can borderline force the civ pack to have to simply remove them in order to extract a read out of them (or just leave them be and potentially suffer the consequences), but the way you phrased it, leetic was clearly not out of orbit, and it is left as interpretable if he was carrying a tactic with his inactivity or not. Which makes the replacement, at least from the deity-approach to hosting (I think Epignosis coined it?), not a clean intervention.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I am curious to hear why Sloonei was nightkilled.
G-Man wrote:NIGHT 4:
JJJ selected sycophant #1 (CARSON / Sloonei) to protect him. Sloonei was the last sycophant remaining.
INH protected himself, IVANKA.
Golden 2.0 targeted JJJ but Sloonei died in his place.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:If Quin is the rogue, we won't actually find out until later tonight right?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm about to call G-Man's workplace and claim he needs to sign for a package or something so he can get out of his meeting and reveal dat rogue.
No.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:G-MAN: Is it possible to no lynch in this game?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Okay. I think:
Wilgy 1.0 was killed by the SK. It was a "fire" with no known cause.
Boomslang was killed by the mafia. He was killed as an effect of an explosion perpetrated by multiple people.
Ricochet was killed by the mafia. The same conspirators in the explosion poisoned him.
Golden 1.0 was killed by the SK. He was tripped by one unknown person.
Epignosis was killed by the SK.
DrWilgy 2.0 was killed by the mafia.
I come from the olden days of Lostpedia and SpoilerTV. Back then, the TV-centric fandom of those sites encouraged longer narratives in lynch and night posts. Those posts helped add depth to the story being told concurrent to the events of the game. They also often contained game-relevant information and were not to be skipped over just to see who died. This is an element I think I miss the most. Gone is much of the art and beauty of the narrative side of game. Instead we trend more toward data-driven posts that cater to those who approach the game more as a science than as a form of entertainment.Sloonei wrote:I'm not seeing it. Can you just tell us who did it?G-Man wrote:You are wrong about this. You have all the information you need to figure out who killed whom.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I suspect G-Man wouldn't want it to be so easy to discern which kill is which. Who knows.
You are wrong about this. You have all the information you need to figure out who killed whom.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I suspect G-Man wouldn't want it to be so easy to discern which kill is which. Who knows.
Debbie swallowed hard. Sidney took the note and rose from his chair.Don't read any of this out loud. Give it back to me when you're finished.
You fucked up, Debbie, and it might cost you big.
You selected, vetted, and managed Operation Cobalt's operatives well enough. For that, we thank you. But you overlooked a minor detail that might expose everything. In selecting our field of alternate operatives, you failed to match blood types.
When O'Donnell resigned, I called up Pamela Brown from your pool of alternates. She was a match in every physical way- hair and eye color, height, dimensions- all a perfect match. This morning's accident left her in the hospital though. The doctors will treat her based on Tiffany Trump's medical records, including her blood type.
Pamela Brown and Tiffany Trump are not the same blood type. In fact, they are incompatible. If they need to perform a transfusion, Pamela's body will reject the blood. It won't take them long to start asking questions. You better hope they don't discover her blood type is wrong or else Pamela will be in deep shit.
We can't extract her with all the security roaming around, so you better hope she can explain her way out of it. If she talks, there's no telling how much she'll reveal.
Take your champagne home tonight and enjoy it. Try to relax and enjoy your primary win because until you get an all-clear from me, you'd best be on pins and needles. The operation is over but we're not out of the woods until we can extract our operatives and assess the situation. There's no telling what Trump will do if he finds out we kidnapped his daughter.
Lucky for us, it looks like there may be another agent in play. If he or she gets caught, perhaps Trump's people won't be able to separate the two and this other party and their financiers will get all the blame. One can only hope.
Now hand this page back to me.
Ha! I forgot all about Paint's crop tool.Ricochet wrote:prtscr and mspaint, manG-Man wrote:The Day 3 poll has been added to the Polls thread. Sorry for the delay. My work computer has a newer version of Microsoft Office and does not have the picture manager program I am used to cropping screenshots with.
t's how trump does it
Golden wrote:Epignosis wrote:3J is the serial killer.Golden wrote:Can we move on from Jay being bad now? Anyone? Beuller?![]()
I haven't by any measure looked into hunting for a serial killer, or read Jay's analysis. But, I will say that my views on Jay mostly extend to him not being mafia. I could see him playing his town game as sk. So it is possible.
I also am not ruling out town vig until the mafia is dead and the game hasn't ended. Although, G-Man, would we find out if that was the case?
This tbqfh. Next game... next game.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I wish modkills were still a thing.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hey G-Man, was Scotty a special kind of baddie, or just vanilla?
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I wouldn't mind a marmot in a snowglobe.
Quin wrote:Until a herd of angry sheep come charging through this thread it is not absurd enough.
The liberal mafia is a component of Operation Cobalt, the rest of which is purely narrative in nature.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Is it meaningful that Scotty was both "a member of liberal mafia" and "part of Operation Cobalt"?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:There is absolutely no way. That's not a host being a clown. It has a major impact upon the game. It was a component of some role that caused that to happen, either in Scotty's own role or elsewhere.Epignosis wrote:I assumed G-Man was just being a clown. His little smiley post gave me that impression. Otherwise the mechanic makes no sense.
Linki:
I feel obliged to answer this question. I was not being a clown with the delayed reveal on Scotty. Perhaps your frame of reference on this game should be different from other games. That's all I'm comfortable saying right now.Golden wrote:G-Man, were you just being a clown?Epignosis wrote:Why did Scotty show up as civilian and then mafia? Do you have a solid grasp on that that is role-related?Golden wrote:Exactly.insertnamehere wrote:
"Oh no, Jay would DEFINITELY try to overtly save his teammate. Even though his teammate would come back looking town. It's what ANYONE would do."
The case on Jay is devoid of rational thought.
I assumed G-Man was just being a clown. His little smiley post gave me that impression. Otherwise the mechanic makes no sense.
I do not believe a host would 'just be a clown' in that way. G-Man included.