RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Until I see the word 'cop' or 'red peek' alongside my name I am not a confirmed baddie.

Bingo. Those won't be seen because this game doesn't allow infodumping.

[Golden]

Wait for tomorrow...

"No, lets not lynch the confirmed baddie Quin. Lets lynch epignosis, he was wrong about Jay"

I am not a confirmed baddie.

I disagree. Scotty outed you.

Until I see the word 'cop' or 'red peek' alongside my name I am not a confirmed baddie.

Nah. If you're not a baddie, you're not a baddie. No conditions on 'until'.

You are a baddie.

[Quin]

Civ, begrudgingly.

Wrong answer. You expect me to believe that you're fine with the guy who has emerged into this phase, in which you suggest you've been smeared post-mortem by Scotty, saying he is "99% sure you're bad" and "Quin is a confirmed baddie". Bullshit. Kill this guy. If you don't kill him today, kill him next.

Respond to my ISO, please.

No.

I do not fault Scotty for thinking I'm suspicious based on Scotty's actions. I think he is wrong and that he should know that, but I know he genuinely believes that I am.

Civ Golden is a hurricane of self-assurance.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I assumed G-Man was just being a clown. His little smiley post gave me that impression. Otherwise the mechanic makes no sense.

There is absolutely no way. That's not a host being a clown. It has a major impact upon the game. It was a component of some role that caused that to happen, either in Scotty's own role or elsewhere.

[Quin]

Wait for tomorrow...

"No, lets not lynch the confirmed baddie Quin. Lets lynch epignosis, he was wrong about Jay"

I am not a confirmed baddie.

I disagree. Scotty outed you.

Until I see the word 'cop' or 'red peek' alongside my name I am not a confirmed baddie.

Nah. If you're not a baddie, you're not a baddie. No conditions on 'until'.

You are a baddie.

What does 'I'm not a baddie' do for anyone, again?

[Golden]

Exactly.

"Oh no, Jay would DEFINITELY try to overtly save his teammate. Even though his teammate would come back looking town. It's what ANYONE would do."

The case on Jay is devoid of rational thought.

Why did Scotty show up as civilian and then mafia? Do you have a solid grasp on that that is role-related?

I assumed G-Man was just being a clown. His little smiley post gave me that impression. Otherwise the mechanic makes no sense.

G-Man, were you just being a clown?

I do not believe a host would 'just be a clown' in that way. G-Man included.

[Epignosis]

I assumed G-Man was just being a clown. His little smiley post gave me that impression. Otherwise the mechanic makes no sense.

There is absolutely no way. That's not a host being a clown. It has a major impact upon the game. It was a component of some role that caused that to happen, either in Scotty's own role or elsewhere.

Okay man.

[Golden]

@Quin - Why would your read on me be begrudging? I've been suspected by many townies before who are wrong, I don't feel begrudging saying they are town. My job is still to figure out who is town...

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm looking at MP/reywaS and S~V~S/Wilgy2.0 relative to Scotty. They're both in my PoE, but to discern which one should be called "more suspicious" is very difficult given the content. Scotty was harsher in his dealings with MP. He griped about MP's "I'm busy" posts. He said basically nothing about S~V~S other than to acknowledge that she wasn't present.

I am inclined to think MP is more suspicious, even if just slightly. Active distancing like that is easier to swallow than idle mentions within larger groups.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Quin's read on Golden right now reminds me of myself in Transistor. Basically the whole game llama knew I was bad and he made it pretty obvious, but I was Mr. Careful and never quite attacked him for it until late in the game. A "begrudging town read" is exactly the type of scum indicator I was looking for.

Shit, I did the same thing with coolkid in the champs finale last year (hi Rico!) when he knew I was bad. It's textbook scum.

[G-Man]

Exactly.

"Oh no, Jay would DEFINITELY try to overtly save his teammate. Even though his teammate would come back looking town. It's what ANYONE would do."

The case on Jay is devoid of rational thought.

Why did Scotty show up as civilian and then mafia? Do you have a solid grasp on that that is role-related?

I assumed G-Man was just being a clown. His little smiley post gave me that impression. Otherwise the mechanic makes no sense.

G-Man, were you just being a clown?

I do not believe a host would 'just be a clown' in that way. G-Man included.

I feel obliged to answer this question. I was not being a clown with the delayed reveal on Scotty. Perhaps your frame of reference on this game should be different from other games. That's all I'm comfortable saying right now.

The smiley post I made was me being clownish in that I was giddy about what I was about to do to you guys information-wise.

[Marmot]

I assumed G-Man was just being a clown. His little smiley post gave me that impression. Otherwise the mechanic makes no sense.

There is absolutely no way. That's not a host being a clown. It has a major impact upon the game. It was a component of some role that caused that to happen, either in Scotty's own role or elsewhere.

Is it meaningful that Scotty was both "a member of liberal mafia" and "part of Operation Cobalt"?

Linki:

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Quin's read on Golden right now reminds me of myself in Transistor. Basically the whole game llama knew I was bad and he made it pretty obvious, but I was Mr. Careful and never quite attacked him for it until late in the game. A "begrudging town read" is exactly the type of scum indicator I was looking for.

Shit, I did the same thing with coolkid in the champs finale last year (hi Rico!) when he knew I was bad. It's textbook scum.

It's also why I've been asking him that all day. Noobs.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is it meaningful that Scotty was both "a member of liberal mafia" and "part of Operation Cobalt"?

Could be, but I'm inclined to think not. "liberal baddie" speaks more to me. Who knows.

[Quin]

Quin's read on Golden right now reminds me of myself in Transistor. Basically the whole game llama knew I was bad and he made it pretty obvious, but I was Mr. Careful and never quite attacked him for it until late in the game. A "begrudging town read" is exactly the type of scum indicator I was looking for.

Shit, I did the same thing with coolkid in the champs finale last year (hi Rico!) when he knew I was bad. It's textbook scum.

It's also why I've been asking him that all day. Noobs.

Ah of course, that's the super secret tell you've been looking for!

[Marmot]

Quin's read on Golden right now reminds me of myself in Transistor. Basically the whole game llama knew I was bad and he made it pretty obvious, but I was Mr. Careful and never quite attacked him for it until late in the game. A "begrudging town read" is exactly the type of scum indicator I was looking for.

Shit, I did the same thing with coolkid in the champs finale last year (hi Rico!) when he knew I was bad. It's textbook scum.

For all we know, you set him up to stamp him as scum.

Linki: You've specifically been asking him for a read of Golden all day, so that you could compare that behavior to a previous game of yourself as mafia? Smells like a setup to me.

[G-Man]

I assumed G-Man was just being a clown. His little smiley post gave me that impression. Otherwise the mechanic makes no sense.

There is absolutely no way. That's not a host being a clown. It has a major impact upon the game. It was a component of some role that caused that to happen, either in Scotty's own role or elsewhere.

Is it meaningful that Scotty was both "a member of liberal mafia" and "part of Operation Cobalt"?

Linki:

The liberal mafia is a component of Operation Cobalt, the rest of which is purely narrative in nature.

[Golden]

I'm in the madhouse.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Quin's read on Golden right now reminds me of myself in Transistor. Basically the whole game llama knew I was bad and he made it pretty obvious, but I was Mr. Careful and never quite attacked him for it until late in the game. A "begrudging town read" is exactly the type of scum indicator I was looking for.

Shit, I did the same thing with coolkid in the champs finale last year (hi Rico!) when he knew I was bad. It's textbook scum.

It's also why I've been asking him that all day. Noobs.

Ah of course, that's the super secret tell you've been looking for!

It's not a "tell" in that it's a "Quin tell", but rather an "everyone tell".

Go ahead and lynch me, I don't give a shit. You're dead next.

[Golden]

Quin's read on Golden right now reminds me of myself in Transistor. Basically the whole game llama knew I was bad and he made it pretty obvious, but I was Mr. Careful and never quite attacked him for it until late in the game. A "begrudging town read" is exactly the type of scum indicator I was looking for.

Shit, I did the same thing with coolkid in the champs finale last year (hi Rico!) when he knew I was bad. It's textbook scum.

For all we know, you set him up to stamp him as scum.

Linki: You've specifically been asking him for a read of Golden all day, so that you could compare that behavior to a previous game of yourself as mafia? Smells like a setup to me.

And set ups are exclusively the domain of baddies?

I use them as town all the time.

[Marmot]

I'm having a change of heart Jay, give me a moment.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Quin's read on Golden right now reminds me of myself in Transistor. Basically the whole game llama knew I was bad and he made it pretty obvious, but I was Mr. Careful and never quite attacked him for it until late in the game. A "begrudging town read" is exactly the type of scum indicator I was looking for.

Shit, I did the same thing with coolkid in the champs finale last year (hi Rico!) when he knew I was bad. It's textbook scum.

For all we know, you set him up to stamp him as scum.

Linki: You've specifically been asking him for a read of Golden all day, so that you could compare that behavior to a previous game of yourself as mafia? Smells like a setup to me.

You're damn right it was a setup. There was a right answer and a wrong answer. If he went after Golden with any of the vigor he has wasted on me, I would probably read him as town right now. I think there's a viable tinfoil case to be made against Golden.

Quin isn't interested in that. He's playing it safe. I know the strategy well.

[Golden]

Everything Jay is doing, every post, reeks town.

Everything Quin is doing, every post, reeks scum.

If Jay ends up lynched today, I will put a stake in the ground and say "This is why The Syndicate has a terrible town win rate."

[Golden]

Quin isn't interested in that. He's playing it safe. I know the strategy well.

Just like Phighter, in...

Oh, damnit, did it again.

[Quin]

Oh, I can't wait for EoD.

[Golden]

Oh, I can't wait for EoD.

For Jay's lynch?

[Golden]

(That was actually the most townie post you made all day)

[insertnamehere]

this is gonna be a fun 24 hours

[Quin]

Well, since 3J isn't interested in even acknowledging my case against him, I guess I can go now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well, since 3J isn't interested in even acknowledging my case against him, I guess I can go now.

Bye. Thanks for your reads on everyone else.

[Epignosis]

"everyone tell".

Bullshit.

Those don't exist.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

"everyone tell".

Bullshit.

Those don't exist.

Bullshit.

They do.

Good chat.

[Quin]

Well, since 3J isn't interested in even acknowledging my case against him, I guess I can go now.

Bye. Thanks for your reads on everyone else.

I've given my reads. Of course, I talked about this in the ISO you're not acknowledging.

[insertnamehere]

If Jay ends up lynched today, I will put a stake in the ground and say "This is why The Syndicate has a terrible town win rate."

Golden irl

[Golden]

Except for the goatee. I wouldn't have that goatee.

[Quin]

Except for the goatee. I wouldn't have that goatee.

Can I have it?

[insertnamehere]

"everyone tell".

Bullshit.

Those don't exist.

Bullshit.

They do.

Good chat.

This is some GOP debate level discourse going on right here.

[Golden]

Except for the goatee. I wouldn't have that goatee.

Can I have it?

No problems. You'd look good with it.

[insertnamehere]

Except for the goatee. I wouldn't have that goatee.

Can I have it?

No problems. You'd look good with it.

[Marmot]

Quin's read on Golden right now reminds me of myself in Transistor. Basically the whole game llama knew I was bad and he made it pretty obvious, but I was Mr. Careful and never quite attacked him for it until late in the game. A "begrudging town read" is exactly the type of scum indicator I was looking for.

Shit, I did the same thing with coolkid in the champs finale last year (hi Rico!) when he knew I was bad. It's textbook scum.

For all we know, you set him up to stamp him as scum.

Linki: You've specifically been asking him for a read of Golden all day, so that you could compare that behavior to a previous game of yourself as mafia? Smells like a setup to me.

You're damn right it was a setup. There was a right answer and a wrong answer. If he went after Golden with any of the vigor he has wasted on me, I would probably read him as town right now. I think there's a viable tinfoil case to be made against Golden.

Quin isn't interested in that. He's playing it safe. I know the strategy well.

I think I agree with you Jay.

I'm having trouble collecting my thoughts though. Ugh...

[Epignosis]

"everyone tell".

Bullshit.

Those don't exist.

Bullshit.

They do.

Good chat.

If everyone has the same tell, then it isn't meaningful, and isn't a tell.

You must know this.

You are bad.

[Quin]

Except for the goatee. I wouldn't have that goatee.

Can I have it?

No problems. You'd look good with it.

Maybe once he puts the knife down.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well, since 3J isn't interested in even acknowledging my case against him, I guess I can go now.

Bye. Thanks for your reads on everyone else.

I've given my reads. Of course, I talked about this in the ISO you're not acknowledging.

Give them again in a post that isn't eight miles long.

[Quin]

Well, since 3J isn't interested in even acknowledging my case against him, I guess I can go now.

Bye. Thanks for your reads on everyone else.

I've given my reads. Of course, I talked about this in the ISO you're not acknowledging.

Give them again in a post that isn't eight miles long.

No. I went through the effort of that post for a reason.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I keep returning to this:

Beck came out guns ablazing with his hung-ho "I'm-new-here-but-ima-fuck-shit-up" mentality, and it was refreshing. But I wonder if he is acting rather than being. You know whaddimsayin?

It looks like Scotty was just looking for whatever excuse available to throw shade at Beck. It's forced though, in a way rather similar to how his "GTH bad" read on Quin was forced. I get a similar vibe -- that he felt like he had to say something negative even if he couldn't substantiate it at all.

[insertnamehere]

Well, since 3J isn't interested in even acknowledging my case against him, I guess I can go now.

Bye. Thanks for your reads on everyone else.

I've given my reads. Of course, I talked about this in the ISO you're not acknowledging.

Give them again in a post that isn't eight miles long.

I never thought I'd see the day where 3J tells somebody to post less

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If everyone has the same tell, then it isn't meaningful, and isn't a tell.

You must know this.

You are bad.

Semantic bullshit, meaningless, go spend your time talking about someone you haven't already voted for, you're wasting my time, you're wasting your time, this is a waste of time, do better.

[Marmot]

Vote Quin

I've got sooooo much power.

[Quin]

Well, since 3J isn't interested in even acknowledging my case against him, I guess I can go now.

Bye. Thanks for your reads on everyone else.

I've given my reads. Of course, I talked about this in the ISO you're not acknowledging.

Give them again in a post that isn't eight miles long.

I never thought I'd see the day where 3J tells somebody to post less

H-have I done it? Have I broken him?

linki: that's nice, marmot.

[insertnamehere]

Semantic bullshit, meaningless, go spend your time talking about someone you haven't already voted for, you're wasting my time, you're wasting your time, this is a waste of time, do better.

Can I just say I love how just completely fucking absurd this thread is getting