The Syndicate

Updated in the Hall of Fame. @mewtini, @Samusamu , and @Syn all recorded their first wins and made themselves eligible for this year's Game of Champions at the buzzer.

Marmot was looking more and more town, but I was thinking that just meant LC was more obviously bad.

Thank you for the festive game, nanook. Merry Christmas, and God bless us, everyone.

Genuine scumslips do happen, apparently.

also lol

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:51 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:02 amfuck

Kyle said the fuck word, he’s not a child.

Santa-tier reads.

Vote for sig and I’ll help you conquer Mars.

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:44 pm I'm sure that when this day is done
That I will not receive the gun

Consider, all, when making your choice
The evil team has heard your voice

If you say you're shooting town
Then that's how it will go down

Switching, secretly, your shot
Is the ONLY baddie-killing plot

I think Grandy is volunteering to be shot

I would prefer to shoot Grand Scheme if we’re shooting at my POE.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:58 am Ah, I see I've dropped in your poe Sloonei.

If it helps, I'll offer myself up as a policy nightchop tonight, especially if sig really is scum #2. Everybody target me tonight and eliminate the poe?

At this point a POE of 3 wins the game and I have it narrowed down to you, Grand Scheme, and sig. What I want to hear is objections to that list. Should anyone be taken out? Who should replace them?

I expect each of you to spend your Christmas poring over the data.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:21 am Slooneii... your posts are so long. What do you expect me to do with THAT??

Accept that i’ve solved the game for christmas.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:19 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:18 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:17 am Oh, and I know that three people picked Alison Night 1. Part of the reason I think I might have been targeted is that I subbed into the game mid night, and the mafia might have assumed I wasn't really caught up on the game, and thus unlikely to make an educated guess.

Just a hunch though.

Who’d you pick last night and why?

Wilgy. He's a scumread, and as far as I've seeing not trying to gamesolve, so is a good night target imo

Is low thread presence unusual for wilgy?
Also Made pushed wilgy very hard yesterday. It was almost certainly not bussing.

Is all of this wilgy suspicion a prank on me?

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:17 am Oh, and I know that three people picked Alison Night 1. Part of the reason I think I might have been targeted is that I subbed into the game mid night, and the mafia might have assumed I wasn't really caught up on the game, and thus unlikely to make an educated guess.

Just a hunch though.

Who’d you pick last night and why?

Samusamu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:33 pm I just won three catan games in a row.

Feliz navidad indeed!

I think it already is resolved. They’re both town.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:27 pm The argument still seems to be circular. Syn is bad because Wilgy is bad. Wilgy is bad because Syn is bad.

Yea, but really what's wrong with that? He essentially saved wilgy when we tried to cfd onto him?

I'd be fine putting a pin in that and pursuing someone else though also. but at some point think that needs to be resolved.

Several things are wrong with it that I’ve already mentioned.

There’s nothing else pointing to either of them being mafia.
If Syn is mafia he’s not likely to be in that position to begin with.
Made pushed hard for this angle all day yesterday.

The argument still seems to be circular. Syn is bad because Wilgy is bad. Wilgy is bad because Syn is bad.

I also just don’t buy any part of the argument that syn’s vote was sketchy on any level. If he’s mafia he can do anything at all to avoid putting himself in a situation where he casts a sloppy last-minute tying vote to save his teammate in a convoluted way. Basically, if he’s mafia he is not in that situation to begin with.

Factor in that this argument hinges on both syn and wilgy being partnered, and that I reel there is no credible argument beyond syn’s vote change that points to either of them being wolves individually, and I am even more skeptical. Then you factor in that this was the primary theory pushed by Made yesterday and I am inclined to say that all of the points being raised against both Syn and Wilgy are actually points in favor of them being town.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:38 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:34 pm I dont like that wilgy has now voted for me two days in a row and never gave any reasoning.

Is this a suspicion?

I'm not sure. I really want it to be syn/wilgy since I want the bragging rights. But, not quite sure that's right or if im tunneling.

Even if wilgy is just being a tunneling/disengaged civ I'm still unhappy about jt nothing I can do to ease his concern since their isnt any

What do you make of Made’s handling of each of them?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:38 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:33 pm And for syn maybe his Eod1 stuff isn't that bad if nobody else seems to think so. Though he'd still not be in my town core. Probably wouldn't want to lynch him today though

Why was syn’s End of Day 1 behavior indicative of a wolf?

Because a tie would let mafia control the lynch and would've thrown the game into further chaos and honeslty this theory is gonna stick for me until wilgy or syn flips.

I mean we're talking a last second swoop that saved wilgy, literally last second he cast his vote at 5 exactly. Right when we were discussing switching to wilgy. If I had switched as planned from cat to wilgy it would've been a 3 way tie which mafia would've picked.

I'd assume they'd do me, then we'd have wasted a phase on someone else.

Do you not agree inserting a vote last second onto another potential wagon and then giving the reasoning of first vote was a joke is a bit bad?

Okay but cat was getting chopped and was town. Why does it matter for the mafia team to force a tie to control that decision?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:34 pm I dont like that wilgy has now voted for me two days in a row and never gave any reasoning.

Is this a suspicion?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:33 pm And for syn maybe his Eod1 stuff isn't that bad if nobody else seems to think so. Though he'd still not be in my town core. Probably wouldn't want to lynch him today though

Why was syn’s End of Day 1 behavior indicative of a wolf?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:22 pm sloonei is sus for doing what I was going to do but doing a better job than I would have

Fair

@sig why were you conflicted about made? What reasons did you have to town read him?

What is your current opinion on syn?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:13 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:57 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:49 am sloonei is civ purely from the standpoint that if he's mafia and able to fake a post that long, then i would rather just lose to him than fight him

Kyle haven't you heard that I'm literally the best mafia player in the world now?

the whole world?

Well I don't think we've tested me against Antarctic mafia players yet.

what about Mars? what about astronauts

Mars is out of my jurisdiction.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:57 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:49 am sloonei is civ purely from the standpoint that if he's mafia and able to fake a post that long, then i would rather just lose to him than fight him

Kyle haven't you heard that I'm literally the best mafia player in the world now?

the whole world?

Well I don't think we've tested me against Antarctic mafia players yet.

Kyle is the "cleared" name from my list that I am least sure of. I think the way Made went after Wilgy should basically confirm the doctor. I think Made and Samu's interactions are an excellent look. I think Syn's response to Made becoming a suspect looks very good and very authentic.
Kyle just doesn't feel like he's mafia, but I can't point to anything as confidently as those other three.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:09 pm honestly I have no complaints about your conclusions

Marmot or Grand Scheme?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:23 am 1. I've played recent games with Made so that's moot, its just still ongoing so cant really be discussed.
2. Why is it odd for me to "drag my feet" I was literally the only player engaged in the Made discussion ive been up front the entire time in everything just because I didn't jump on the wagon and sheep shouldn't mean anything.
3. I really hate that you just continue to dismiss or flat out ignore what I and others have said about syn and wilgy. Seems disingenuous.

1. Fair
2. You were not the only player engaged. My problem is that you did not seem to want to scrutinize Made. Your posts felt like you were increasingly being backed into a corner, rather than attempting to solve the game.
3. I am in no way ignoring what you've said about syn and wilgy. I talked about that a lot in my case against Made yesterday: I think the arguments did not make sense and, at least in Made's case, were bad faith. I disagree with them completely. And also, that's not the point of this exercise. I was ISOing players specifically for their interactions with Made. This is what I always do.
We can talk some more about Syn and Wilgy if you'd like. But my position is still what it was yesterday when we chopped Made, who was pushing Syn and Wilgy.

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:20 am Wilgy's stocking is full of coal
But Grand Scheme will not judge his soul

Agreed with samu's Change My Mind
Wilgy's stocking is full of wine

Grand Scheme starts with a careful non-stance on Wilgy. That's better than a firmly oppositional stance. I do not think this post is unfair.

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:33 am Confident scum speak like boasters
And syn is two of the first three posters

This looks like an accusation against Syn, but I'm not sure of the point.

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:06 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:06 pm Who's telling cat things?

There's not been a word 'tween he and I
But cat's belief could be TMI

And of all the posts that have been played
The towniest, to me, is Made.

For what it's worth, cat's perceptions of wilgy could very easily have stemmed from The Simpsons, when Wilgy posted twice on Day 1 and got mischopped (playing as Milhouse). Sound familiar?
I don't love the town read on Made.

I already talked about one point in this long post earlier. I actually don't hate his treatment of cat in some of these moments, even though we turned out to be wrong about them. The bit where cat votes Alison for being Alison, and where cat calls out nutella for the crime of not being a player in this game are both wonky and I don't object to LC GS pointing them out.

Uh he didn't post at all on Day 2. Not even once.

When he returned on Day 3, he did this:

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:15 pm I chose to shoot Sloonei last night
Maybe we should string him up tight

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

I don't mean to toot my own horn, but I should be a solid town read for everybody in this game or else they're commies. So this vote is whacke.
His response wasn't all that inspiring:

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:21 am

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:19 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:44 pm @Grand Scheme how much of this game have you read?

Though perhaps I have been slankier than most
I have dutifully skimmed through every post

You must have missed the part where I am Santa-and-Mrs-Claus-confirmed, undeniably and without a shade of doubt, lock town.

I'm not gonna argue and wax philosophical
What you propose is quite comfortably possible

And this new one I'm just seeing now:

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:16 pm My defense of Made was erroneous
But truly, I am not felonious!
My teammate treatment is not so blatant
This is a result of being vacant
That's why I accused you, Sloon
Imagining a bussing goon
Light skims during this busy season
Unwise snap judgments, that's the reason

I am of two minds here. I was recently partnered with this mysterious figure in Grasslands, and he deliberately tried to appear lost/behind on the action in that game to keep the heat off himself. So that is in his playbook. But would he try to run it on me after I just watched and helped him do it a couple months ago? It's entirely believable that a player would not be fully invested in a game on December 21st. But that tells me nothing about his alignment.

Looking at the ISOs comprehensively, I actually think Marmot looks worse than Grand Scheme. Marmot's pushes are more directly in line with the agenda Made flashed. Grand Scheme has been more aloof and isolated. I don't award him townie points for specifically, but I have more reason to directly apply scum points to Marmot.

Scanning Marmot's ISO in full, my critique is this: his posts fit perfectly into the agenda Made was pushing. The small size of this game would prompt the Mafia team to be aggressive (they don't need to survive for a long time. Just a couple of day phases, so I think we're more likely to see coordinated pushes in this setup than in a ~15 player game, for instance). He defends Made, he pushes hard on Wilgy and Syn with a some smaller nudges toward Kyle and Alison. I think the suspicions against Wilgy in this game have been bad, and we now know that in at least one case, they were dishonest as well. I do not think Wilgy has done anything outside of the very ordinary for him, and I actually disagree completely with Marmot's assessment of Wilgy's entrance now that I've read it. Wilgy was the victim of the most direct and widespread bandwagon of the game until Made's name was dragged up. And Made was at the forefront of the Wilgy push. So was Marmot.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:28 am Samu
Wilgy
Syn
Kyle
Marmot
Grand Scheme
sig

The ordering of this list is unchanged after individual ISOs (I'm not bothering with Samu. He's town). I might separate Kyle and Marmot into separate green tiers if I want to get meticulous, but it's Christmas. Eve. I think the team could be exactly Sig + Grand Scheme, but if it's not then Marmot is my other guess.

I believe we have one mischop left by POE numbers, but things are wonky in this setup. At any rate, clearing 4 players should secure the win. If anyone objects to Samu, Wilgy, Syn, or Kyle being cleared, speak now.

Kyle & Made

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:51 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:24 am

cat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:48 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:16 pm Cat, Samusamu, syn, and Mewtini please explain yourselves

I Refuse.

you're the only person in this town that I respect

this a meme or like....?

I've never memed a single day in my life.

Authenticators have confirmed that this exchange exists.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:24 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:11 pm Please give me your most biased accounts of each case as you can muster and I will vote accordingly

Made is mafia. He made wilgy get coal.

amazing, what about the other two

This one too. I do not read this as Kyle trying to "change the subject" from Made or anything like that. I think he just showed up late and wanted to know what was happening.

That's it. There is nothing here. I can't really award Kyle any townie points for the content, though the lack of content might be worth something: If Made is his partner then I expect Kyle to show some nervousness or effort to save him at EoD2. He did not end up voting at all. The anti-Kyle argument is that he didn't have a way to comfortably justify a vote on a counterwagon, if one even existed by the time he arrived (i forget. was working and didn't have an eye on the poll, but it seemed made was comfortably in the lead so i wasn't worried). But I think Kyle's nonchalance is a slightly good look here. Light town read.

Syn & Made.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:40 pm

Made wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:38 pm I don't think wilgy getting the coal means he's bad, but i do think wilgy shouldn't use to night shoot unless he's proves to be on the nice list, and right now he's on the middle place list

thoughts?

coal isn't gun

and I think we're forced to submit a target, so no gift holstering

Syn is Made's mechanics tutor. Idk how real Made's confusion over mechanics was. It's possible he really misunderstood. If he was faking a "derpclear" then Syn could be his accomplice in this. I have no reason to allege that that is the case. It's not impossible that Made's confusion was genuine.
This looks like a joke. But I thought Canadians loved their geese.

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:00 pm

Made wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:36 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:06 pm Now @Syn i'm being imperative saying to you to do a 3vs3.

what's a 3vs3?

I'm assuming three town, three wolves

maybe?

I'm going to read way more into this casual exchange than I have any right to: I think it's a good look for Syn that he responded to this question. If Made and Syn are partners then I think they're less likely to pay attention to minor moments like this from one another, just because they're scheming behind the scenes and being careful about how they interact in public. This reads exactly like Syn just trying to be a helpful civilian when he spots some confusion. I could say something similar about the earlier mechanics tutor session.

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:21 pm

Made wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:14 pm Ms. Syn same question but for sloonei.

I would die for Sloonei

Several points:
Made asked Syn and I for reads on each other. I don't feel like Made does that if Syn is his partner. It's unprompted, out of leftfield, and invites a bit of danger to his partner's doorstep for no reason. He's also doing it so that he can go on to spin a web of suspicion around each of us. I don't think this is what bussing looks like 99 times out of 100.
Syn's answer is probably not the one Made wanted, and it also looks like he is completely unphased by the question. If this is distancing, Syn looks very casual while doing it. And they have no strategic reason to be engaging in it at this stage of the game.

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:04 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:04 pm

Made wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:56 pm And creating a tie that mafia would of resolved

my vote did not tie a damn thing

sig's whole "I was gonna switch but syn made me stay on cat " is a lie because my vote went through at the last possible second, he couldn't have switched unless he was gonna do it post-close

Yeah this isn't distancing. Syn was bothered by the accusation so much that his reaction couldn't be contained to one post. He gave the initial snappy retort, and then after hitting Submit he collected himself and came back with a more substantive response. This is a real reaction to a real bogus accusation.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:42 pm laissez-faire post like syn and get wolf read

put in effort and case people like sloonei and get wolf read

be named Made and be locked town

Syn mocks the Made-wagon detractors. Syn is town.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:07 pm[VOTE: Made] aubergine

The vote for Made. This is a foregone conclusion. I think all evidence points to this being a real vote. If Syn and Made are teammates, Syn is a brilliant actor.

Bonus points for this post:

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:55 pm who am I meant to be distancing from

This post immediately follows Syn's Made vote in his ISO. I think it's an extremely bold thing to post if he's Made's teammate, and the bluntness of it reads as if Syn thinks the premise is ludicrous, and hasn't even considered a world where could be perceived as distancing (from Made). Syn is town. Lock it in.

Marmot's first post is his massive ketchup wall. He gives Made an early town read for Made's public lesson on coal. Not unfair.
The most substantial point RE: Made is difficult to follow:

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:58 pm I've generally felt good about Sloonei and null on Made, but the end of this interaction is weird.

If Made doesn't believe Sloonei, normally that would mean he scumreads Sloonei.

I get that townies are far less likely to lie than wolves, but the question Sloonei asked in response is still weird. I can't put my finger on why.

It is unclear from this which of us (me or Made) Marmot says he feels "weird" about. The first line gives no indication what the source of the weirdness is. The second line would indicate Made is the weird one. The third directly states that I am the weird one.
Could you explain this response in more detail, O Christmas Marmot?
Marmot has Made in the middle tier of his reads list, shared with Mewtini and Syn. Kyle and Wilgy are at the bottom.
Why is everyone listing Grand Scheme as a town read in all these lists?

Incidental mention of Made in a discussion with Syn about Wilgy.
Direct defense of Made when I prompted the thread for pro-Made arguments. Not the best look in the world, but he was just answering my question. But Marmot was the only one to really step up to the plate here, and I can't not give that some weight here. I'll also note that this is a different point than the one Marmot raised to give Made town credit earlier, if that means anything.
Implicit support of the Made wagon. This is more direct than sig's implicit support. I still don't love the way it looks, but if I'm comparing those two then Marmot is better. But not by a lot.

This is not a comprehensive Marmot ISO, obviously, and I don't have much of a feel for his game as a whole right now. But the Made interactions are Not So Great.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:54 pm

Made wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:26 pm

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:20 am Wilgy's stocking is full of coal
But Grand Scheme will not judge his soul

Agreed with samu's Change My Mind
Wilgy's stocking is full of wine

I see your scheme as i see his coal
but with wifom can you not judge a soul

so direct are hearts to thing with meanings
Mr. Wilgy, what are your readings?

Samu town,

Sig and Syn scum. Hbu?

This is the only interaction with or about Made in Wilgy's ISO from Days 1-2.

Wilgy has 19 posts and Made pushed him harder than anyone else in the game. I am not overly concerned with the lack of content.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:58 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:53 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:14 pm Look ive had so called "crazy" theories before.

Best example was last year's game of champions where I knew Mac as a mafia member silenced me night 1 nobody believed me even when I essentially named the entire team and they went on to win.

The fact sloonie is so quick to just dismiss what happened eod 1 with syn and not even mention Marmot case is odd. Now all of them can't be mafia but hes gone to great length to protect wilgy it seems like. He's also known for bussing.

I'm not at the point where I think we should lynch sloonie today but he knows I have a history of being an easy mislynch and I really dont like how he set up his pov.

You werent linched yesterday or d1.

D1 i wanted your head, but you look and defend yourself better than cat.

Today you are defending yourself and having time to put your thoughts in order in case you are town.

But to insinuate that because you are usually easy to lynch, you shouldn't be seen in d3 for your interactions and other reads like Alison's, is something that insults my competitive spirit.

I've got no issue defending myself but when someone who's played with me for years doesn't even bother to look at my entire game, instead just going for made and throwing a vote there it's worth bringing up.

Especially since imo I don't look bad at all from it.


For the mafia kill we can go back and forth on that forever but I don't think it makes sense to waste the kill d1 when they only get one. So I've been operating with the assumption it was a misshoot by civs.

We’ve played together for years, yes. So you should know that this is always the first thing I do when we get a mafia flip.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:02 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:25 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:59 pm And I could see a case by you, but imo there are alot better lynch targets today for sloonie he also only seemed to have looked at me. Just seems a bit sketchy.

Oh, well do the case!

Maybe you convice me to vote myself

No I'm saying I could see you making the case on me. But, not sloonie given what he said previous days

Why?

Well, holiday festivities don't beckon me this instant. It's 3 AM. I'm the only creature stirring in the house. But, later.

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:06 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:06 pm Who's telling cat things?

There's not been a word 'tween he and I
But cat's belief could be TMI

And of all the posts that have been played
The towniest, to me, is Made.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:31 am

Made wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:44 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:34 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

For very good, very legitimate reasons.

Sloonie my dear, what are you're thoughts on shots and my back and forth with Samu

you are both town

Okay, then who isn't?

You, kyle, and mewtini

Though they could act with utmost guile
I do not think it's sig and Kyle

I declared a scum team of Made/kyle/mewtini. Long Scheme responds by saying it's not sig and kyle. I never mentioned sig. I mentioned Made. Made, the player he had just called "the towniest" a few posts earlier. He has nothing to say about that. No objection. In a comment that exists purely to object.

And that's it. There is not enough here to be damning, but I still don't like it. I'll do Marmot and Kyle if I have a moment later on, but holiday festivities beckon me.

Merry Christmas!

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:49 am sloonei is civ purely from the standpoint that if he's mafia and able to fake a post that long, then i would rather just lose to him than fight him

Kyle haven't you heard that I'm literally the best mafia player in the world now?

Sig & Made
"Made may be trying to pocket me" which is an alleged ping. Keeps the door open to arbitrary Wilgy suspicion. Sloonei and Samu are not partners. Cool. How does this Made read progress?
Made looks good. Okay. Why? Made's most recent posts before this one were pushes on cat and samu. I think neither looked good.
Sig responds to Made's generic prod RE: Alison with a decidedly negative stance. Okay.
Made is a "town lean" with Samu and Syn. Noting that Long Scheme is a top town read for sig as well. What is happening here?
"Scum leans" are Kyle, wilgy, and cat. That wilgy read is dubious, as always. I don't know why the Kyle read exists.
I was pleading with everyone to acknowledge my Made case and it finally started to gain traction. Sig didn't seem to like that, but he can't bring himself to outright defend Made. I have no idea why he thinks Made would be better suited for a shot-in-the-dark nightkill than a chop.
Made is distinctly not Sig's priority. Noted.
I disliked this post and it was where I really started to suspect a sig/made pairing. Sig's hesitance is right there on his face, and the point he chooses to emphasize ("the mew/made connection") was hardly a primary piece of my argument against Made and, as we now know, it is one that obviously would have given him a nice easy scapegoat today in the aftermath of Made's flip.
I was also skeptical of sig's citation of Made's meta. It's been a while since Made played. I have a hard time buying that sig has a distinct working memory of the differences between Made's town/mafia metas.
First, sig continues to push Syn while all of this is happening.
Second, Sig has reluctantly come along to offer the most tentative possible support of the Made case on the basis of my confidence in the read. No mention of specific points (such as the mew/made connection, for instance), just citation of my read. But then, after that, he says he'll go and read the case. Which... if he hasn't done that yet then why's he agreeing with aspects of it? Bad post from sig.
Sig continues to drag his feet toward Made's inevitable chop. But he won't let go of Syn.
His "biggest issue" with Made has changed now to his treatment of Samu. The connection to mewtini is not mentioned. This feels like a false progression.
Made's chop is inevitable at this point. Sig says so himself. This feels a bit more strained than it should: I don't really buy it at all when Sig says that his Syn suspicion is as strong or stronger than the argument against Made. By his own admission, the Syn case is flawed, but he refuses to let go of it for no particular reason.
He votes for Made ~30 minutes before EoD. I still feel like he's straining here. This is not the vote he wants to cast (he spends too much time justifying the vote in ways that don't actually involve Made), but he has no other choice.

At this point I will be surprised if sig is town.

Made ISO
I'm inclined to go ahead and lock Samu in as town for the way Made pushed him all of Day 1. It starts here. It continues. Samu is town and I'm not gonna bother spending time and energy on it unless there are important developments.
Made picks up Long Scheme's couplets but doesn't really say anything about Grand Con, just uses it to prod Wilgy without much weight or direction. I'd call this a good look for wilgy, or the start of one at least. Made wanted very much to push Wilgy and Syn together, and this is the first step in that direction.
Made is displeased with Samu's vote for Sig. Noted.
Made says what amounts to nothing about Wilgy, this post seems to exist solely for the purpose of making sure we don't all town-read the good Doctor. Wilgy town.
Wilgy responds to Made's vague prod with some direct reads: samu is town, sig and syn are not. Made disagrees with the reads on sig and samu. He ignores the Syn read altogether.
Samu is still town. Sig has now appeared twice in Made's ISO, both times Made has been disapproving of suspicion against him. Noted.
Just noting this for Made's treatment of the confirmed-town feline. Joke suspicion that seems to justify positioning himself on board with the Cat bandwagon, as indicated by his next post.
Kyle makes an appearance. It is nothing.
Noting Made's treatment of mewtini. I'd still be suspicious of her if she was alive, so meh. He gives her a very generic prod.
I've deduced that wilgy is good. Like really really good. (also i've got Sherlock on in the background as I type this up and Martin Freeman just said the word "deduce" at the exact moment I typed it. It's a Christmas miracle.)
If this is how Made treated his teammate on Day 1 I will be very surprised.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:57 pm may it please the court:

made
sig
syn
kyle
sloonei

GS
mew
cat


alison
wilgy
samu

Day 1 reads. Alison was town and I am inclined to say that each of the other two in the bottom tier are as well. Grand Scheme is the only living player left in the middle tier. I'm not sure how Made would be inclined to classify his teammates here, but I think it's evident he's not trying to bus. He may have been inclined to at least separate his teammates, in which case the Schemer is the obvious odd man out.

If Made wanted to list both of his teammates in the top tier, then we're probably looking at a sig + kyle team. It ain't me and I'm fairly sure after yesterday that it ain't Syn either. (More on that later in this ISO, I'm getting ahead of myself!)
Oh his very next post points out that Falcon/Marmot is absent both from the list and the game at this point. I cannot read much into their absence from the list: on the one hand, Made probably would be less likely to forget to include his absentee teammate in a list of reads, but on the other his acknowledgment that he forgot could also be indicative of a partnership, or the omission could be intentional. Gun to my head, I'll read Marmot as town by omission, but I'm not taking that to the bank or anywhere else, even.
Made ISOs Alison and bumps her up to the middle tier. But he makes the weird point that "alison sig interactions look bad." This means absolutely nothing since Alison is town and Made knows it. This is the first time in the game that Made has suggested any sort of negative stance adjacent to sig.
He asks him a follow-up question to a point he raised about Alison. It tells me nothing.
Made went to some length to try to shade both Syn and I. Later on there was an implication that we could be partnered, but he also emphasized that we were independently suspicious. If he pushed harder on the angle of us being partners then I would read this less in syn's favor. But instead Made tried to push Syn and I both in the same vein that he pushed Wilgy. I highly highly doubt that Made prioritized pushing me along with his two teammates. I also think it would be a bit silly if he pushed two civilians and one teammate in the same exact manner, especially since there was relatively little prompting to suspect either of Syn or Wilgy on Day 2. He did that on his own, and I think his intentions were uncomplicated: get one of us mischopped. Just look at his more detailed Day 2 reads list: The three "bad" reads were a major part of my case against Made. The bad reads are bad. Syn is town. Wilgy is town. I am comfortable moving forward with each of these reads. Samu is also town. There's three. Yay.

Made has sig in the "ehhh" category, but his read struggles to actually commit to anything unfavorable ("kinda irrelevant, but in a civvie way" [What?] "alison vote looked weird, but im vibing with him"). This reads like a town read that is arbitrarily placed outside of the section for town reads. Not a good look for sig.

The read on Kyle is distinctly more negative than the read on sig. It is jarring to see them placed in the order they are. I'll call that a good look for Kyle.

Made has Grand Scheme as his third highest town read. That does not compute. That doesn't even come close to computing. Damn. I shouldn't have focused so much on the bad reads. The "civvie" reads are even worse. I would have liked to make Made expand on this read, because... like, what on earth has Grand Scheme done to earn any sort of town read, let alone this third from the top placement?
Oh by the way, did I mention that the top two town reads are mewtini and Marmot? Granted, mewtini is now confirmed town, but I struggle to see what she did in her time here to earn Top Town Read status (and this point is why I was confident she was partnered with Made, mistakenly). Marmot as the second top town read is not as outrageous, but still something that seems far-fetched, especially given that Made was lamenting the slot's absence the previous day.
I think the absence of convincing top town reads is more to do with Made's insistence on keeping Samu and I (the two most obvious townies in the game, if I may say so) down low on the list. Grand Scheme and Sig are the two names that stand out most: sig because he is placed lower on the list than he should be based on Made's own words, and Grand Scheme because Made has no words to say about him.
Based purely on this list, I'd name Marmot as a more likely suspect than Kyle. I think if Made wants to town-read his partner Kyle here, he can do so without this level of shade.

Re-reading the next section of posts where Made and I argue about his reads, I'm realizing he actually has a lot more to say about Wilgy than Syn. He has relatively little say about Syn, and most of it actually is in conjunction with mentions of my name. So maybe this is an effort on Made's part to tie me to his partner in the event that Syn goes down. But doing that would require Syn to be in the line of fire, which he is not. I'm still inclined to call Syn town.
The aggression of his push on wilgy is way too much to be bussing.
Sig starts acknowledging that Made is a suspect. Made asks sig a generic question. beep boop. This tells me nothing.

And that's the end of it.

Samu
Wilgy
Syn
Kyle
Marmot
Grand Scheme
sig

Well anyway, I’m gonna place a tentative vote on sig while I start digging.

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:19 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:44 pm @Grand Scheme how much of this game have you read?

Though perhaps I have been slankier than most
I have dutifully skimmed through every post

You must have missed the part where I am Santa-and-Mrs-Claus-confirmed, undeniably and without a shade of doubt, lock town.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:55 pm

Samusamu wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:28 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:26 pm

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:15 pm I chose to shoot Sloonei last night
Maybe we should string him up tight

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

this is a hell of a stretch

You should recieve coal irl for ignoring me and trolling

Sloonei won best player in Mafia Universe's Champs tournament this year

Long overdue, tbh

@Grand Scheme how much of this game have you read?

Samusamu wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:27 pm Also I thought coal was permanent

No, thoughts on marmot?

Town, but I haven’t looked into made’s interactions beyond sig and mewtini yet.

Also I thought coal was permanent

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:15 pm I chose to shoot Sloonei last night
Maybe we should string him up tight

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

Lol