The Syndicate

good game everyone
thanks for the game mods!

Whoops u not epi my bad

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

seaside wrote:Is epi doing for jjj, what jjj tried to do 4 Mac yesterday?

What did JJJ do for Mac yesterday?

Linki: Ah that's right. You said you're from Australia.

Try to save Mac
U trying to save jjj
It will be laughably scummy once jjj flips

Diiny wrote:

seaside wrote:

Diiny wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I understand players won't read my whole thing on seaside, but I would like responses on the bit with the eyes and the spoiled quote below it.

I don't think seaside, as bad as he looks, had a read on me that was dependant on the scumminess of espers or anything so I'm not understanding how we're divining from his comments an expectance of espers to flip town when he's nk'd. Am I misreading?

My theory is that at least 1 out of you three is scum.
It is possible 4 u both to be though.

I don't see the point in wasting a lynch on someone who was gonna die anyway.

What part of the nature of the relationship between us three specifically makes it more likely in your book that only one is scum rather than two

I believe one of youse did something
Espers was gonna be mod killed so I figured he prob hasn't been doing the something that it would be someone actually active

Bogan is my primary language

Is epi doing for jjj, what jjj tried to do 4 Mac yesterday?

Epignosis wrote:

Spoiler: show

So right now, we have this:

Long Con
8
Choutas (12), sig (16), seaside (17), DrWilgy (18), motel room (31), bcornett24 (32), JaggedJimmyJay (34), Russtifinko (35) 21%

++++

Diiny
6
sig (22), seaside (23), MacDougall (24), motel room (26), Choutas (27), JaggedJimmyJay (28)
21%

MacDougall
7
DrWilgy (4), Ricochet (10), Metalmarsh89 (11), Epignosis (15), Matt F (18), Elohcin (21), Russtifinko (25)
24%

++++

JaggedJimmyJay
6
Metalmarsh89 (3), Epignosis (7), seaside (9), TheFloyd73 (13), Elohcin (16), sig (23)
25%

TheFloyd73
5
Choutas (10), Strawhenge (18), Matt F (20), bcornett24 (21), Bullzeye (22)
21%

Takeaway the third:

seaside was the third vote for LC, and the second for Diiny. His reason for LC was "survival" (quotations appropriate). So with only two votes at the time (hours before the deadline), seaside puts his vote on LC. Earlier, he had voted rundontwalk, and also said this:

seaside wrote:I must admit, i have a pretty strong town read on mac atm. despite me calling him a rogue earlier.

Yep, that all looks bad to me.

Nice job at taking things outta context

Diiny wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I understand players won't read my whole thing on seaside, but I would like responses on the bit with the eyes and the spoiled quote below it.

I don't think seaside, as bad as he looks, had a read on me that was dependant on the scumminess of espers or anything so I'm not understanding how we're divining from his comments an expectance of espers to flip town when he's nk'd. Am I misreading?

My theory is that at least 1 out of you three is scum.
It is possible 4 u both to be though.

I don't see the point in wasting a lynch on someone who was gonna die anyway.

R ppl putting my name in white cause they think I'm SK?
Lmao

Diiny, before Mac flipped, I started to think maybe your absence i was letting go by unchecked and putting all the suspicion on jjj because he was actually in the thread posting and there were a handful of things that just seemed off.
but since mac has flipped scum, seeing how jjj was posting, plus my theory, i am happy with a jjj lynch over you.

Diiny wrote:@rico I really don't understand what the fuck seaside is doing there either, I pointed it out to him I think but no reply as of yet afaik I'll be able to check soon

i was happy for either a diiny or jjj lynch over mac.
jjj lynch didn't seem to be gaining any steam, there seemed a possibility of a diiny lynch, so i decided to use jjj flip flopping to do that.
i have been looking into both you and jjj for a while now, so while the timing of my vote may seem suss, my intentions have been there all along.

I was kinda surprised that he was so willing to change his vote. For someone who has been so involved in the game, I'd expect him to put his vote where he though it really needs to be, rather than looking for a possible 'better lynch'. It really seemed like last ditch effort on his part and not what i'd expect from JJJ. I think he would of put his vote on who he really thought was scum earlier in the day and been bit of a leader that way like he normally is.

JJJ strikes me as scum, there is just something bit different in his tone to normal. Combined with my early theory.

Strawhenge wrote:

seaside wrote:to people (strawhenge and matt f i think) who were wondering about my floyd read earlier i said it was a joke, i haven't mentioned him much properly because what is there to really say? he's new and he isn't posting much. i haven't mentioned many posters tbh. i haven't interacted with many either.

Strawhenge wrote:Quick note: Seaside responded on the previous page that his confidence in Floyd was 'a joke, bruv'.

shit, you have even posted this yourself strawhenge and you are still pressuring me on this?

I...haven't pressured you on this for days.

my bad
those big quotes i've been fucking up lately

sig wrote:I'm suspicious of Mac, Floyd, Seaside, and Choutus.
Floyd has an RL situation and I'm not surprised if he is having difficulty this game it is extremely fast paced and heavy with text.
Mac I can see the arguments against him, but with the current trend of mislynching I'm unsure about him and need to think on it some.
Choutus I'm just getting bad vibes from him, I still think he is more likely to be the SK then mafia, but either way I would be happy with voting for him.

how come you don't provide a reason for me?
just throwing my name in

MacDougall wrote:6 votes on me and the rest scattered all around. No counterwagon forming. Yeah this doesn't seem like a mislynch at all.

diiny

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Gonna GTH the whole mafia team without thinking about it a ton (can't at work):

Black Rock
Diiny
Choutas
motel room
Metalmarsh89
Russtifinko (I know this contradicts my prior thing, oh well)

i'm gonna change my vote to Diiny
i'll accept for now, that i've probably chosen you as scum over him due to having posts from you and not from him
but that is probably more scummy from him to drop off.

It is based on conclusions (that I will admit aren't bullet proof) that I have worked out. Not based on how diiny has played the game. It's the best that i've been able to work out this game and i find it frustrating that i have no real way to present it properly.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Seaside, would you just follow me if our positions were reversed right now? You never trust anyone.

i'd be more willing if you weren't such a crafty player that i have such trouble reading
but for example. i'd follow a few users in this thread right now if they presented me with something.
i'm not sure where you get that i don't trust anyone from either.

like if you think diiny is suspicious and you think i'm wrong about you. share some rather than just dismissing what i'm saying in such a way.
admittedly you probably have hit my scumdar more than diiny lately because you are posting more and most people dont seem interested in him.
i'm not syaing both of you are scum, i think one of you two are, i'm far from 100% on which it is.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

seaside wrote:you know the rules of this game

I didn't even know until now that the rules of this game are relevant to what you're saying. I don't have X-ray vision into your head.

you are better than this, don't tell me that you have been making this multi paragraph responses to people and you havent considered something so obvious.
was it you who i saw earlier who said something about 'the evidence we have in this thread' like that is all we should be going off here? we gotta have some trust, if you don't think i'm scum, why not try a little trust?

you know the rules of this game

Choutas why are you so sure that mac and jjj are town?

what you think bout diiny?

RadicalFuzz wrote:

seaside wrote:just because i can't explain it, doesn't mean it isn't well thought out and solid

You're not entirely wrong, but if you can't coherently explain what your theory is how do you expect people to look at it and form their own conclusions? We're not going to take your word that this theory you can't properly explain solves everything and we should blindly follow you.

i've left a few bread crumbs tbh

to people (strawhenge and matt f i think) who were wondering about my floyd read earlier i said it was a joke, i haven't mentioned him much properly because what is there to really say? he's new and he isn't posting much. i haven't mentioned many posters tbh. i haven't interacted with many either.

Strawhenge wrote:Quick note: Seaside responded on the previous page that his confidence in Floyd was 'a joke, bruv'.

shit, you have even posted this yourself strawhenge and you are still pressuring me on this?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

seaside wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

seaside wrote:I get those names from the people who voted for Ricochet on day 3? the one with the poll about who long con team mate. Whichever day that was.
These are the people who voted for him

JaggedJimmyJay, Rbzmncaeaei, Diiny, Golden, seaside, espers

Now RBZ and Golden have been killed.
I know i'm not scum.
Which leaves JJJ, Diiny and Espers.

I don't quite understand the rationale here. Your suspects, according to this, stem out of my D3 wagon, although you also contributed to that wagon, by clearly thinking I am bad. How can you simply exclude yourself from this, via simple civ claim, and treat the others suspicious for a lynch that you also endorsed?

This is the only problem or thing you are going to raise over this? of course if someone else was going to follow this theory (which no one seems to care about tbh ) then i should be included. but why should i include myself when i know that i am town? this seems like such a knit picking thing to have a problem with. The way you word it too, 'my D3 wagon'. I obviously made a mistake in voting for him. i've made many mistakes in this game. but what you are trying to twist here ain't one.

This post you have quoted with my name in it does not belong to me. If you are judging me by the content of this post, stop immediately, turn your test face down, and place your pencil on at the front of the desk.

seaside wrote:i don't think everyone in that three scum or acting extremely scummy as such. just due to my own research and piecing things together, i think it is highly likely that one of the three is scum. but how you have been acting now towards it. I do have a strong scum read on you

I don't understand your theory. Why about the Ricochet bandwagon makes either Diiny or me scum? Moreover, I can't be expected to offer a response other than an exasperated roll of the eyes when you literally have to twist your theory into three knots just to make it work against me in your own head.

yeah i made a mistake with that one particular quote, but despite that, the chances are 50/50 that you are scum. i'm not liking how you are trying to undermine my theory and say it doesn't make sense in my head. it makes perfect sense to me. just because i can't explain it, doesn't mean it isn't well thought out and solid. the fact that you keep coming at me with 'your theory is bs' attitude proves to me that you are scum, maybe both diiny and you are scum, scumboy.

Ricochet wrote:Also, you seem to have attributed a post of mine (the one about D3 wagon on me) to JJJ.

really?

MacDougall wrote:Hey seaside are you gonna get up at 6.30am and watch Hayne plane?

i'll be awake then but going to work

Ricochet wrote:MacDougall

Has seaside posted anything D6? I see a vote on JJJ. Sure, I remember him drumming on JJJ, Diiny and espers (now confirmed civ), but why JJJ over Diiny? Why not come in and address some issues, too?

I'm guessing you haven't read this very page before posting as I've already made 2 posts on it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

seaside wrote:I get those names from the people who voted for Ricochet on day 3? the one with the poll about who long con team mate. Whichever day that was.
These are the people who voted for him

JaggedJimmyJay, Rbzmncaeaei, Diiny, Golden, seaside, espers

Now RBZ and Golden have been killed.
I know i'm not scum.
Which leaves JJJ, Diiny and Espers.

I don't quite understand the rationale here. Your suspects, according to this, stem out of my D3 wagon, although you also contributed to that wagon, by clearly thinking I am bad. How can you simply exclude yourself from this, via simple civ claim, and treat the others suspicious for a lynch that you also endorsed?

This is the only problem or thing you are going to raise over this? of course if someone else was going to follow this theory (which no one seems to care about tbh ) then i should be included. but why should i include myself when i know that i am town? this seems like such a knit picking thing to have a problem with. The way you word it too, 'my D3 wagon'. I obviously made a mistake in voting for him. i've made many mistakes in this game. but what you are trying to twist here ain't one.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

seaside wrote:i have been absent throughout yesterday, so i don't know how the votes went onto both espers and devin in real time
but say for example if jjj was drugs, he voted early, gave drugs to devin the night before. then realised that it was going to be close, he could either change his vote to ensure that devin gets lynched, making it look suss with the late vote change
or he could of just left it on, knowing that espers getting lynched on a cointoss would also work for scum. or he could of communicated with his scum mates to jump onto devin to make the numbers?

Is there a scenario in which you wouldn't be suggesting I'm scum right now?

i don't think everyone in that three scum or acting extremely scummy as such. just due to my own research and piecing things together, i think it is highly likely that one of the three is scum. but how you have been acting now towards it. I do have a strong scum read on you

Russtifinko wrote:Oh! And sorry for the multipost. I forgot this:

Side note: I usually have a couple of biggish blocks of time to mafia per day, if I'm lucky, but limited ability to hop on and off. I read through and reply to everything interesting I see in my catch up. So if my thoughts appear disjointed, that's why. Hope it's not making m thought trains too hard to follow.

Matt F wrote:I think Floyd needs to be looked at pronto. This deal with him "being gone" for several days after being suspected and saying some very odd things...I don't like it.

If he's gone for 3-4 days, won't he just be modkilled for inactivity anyway?

seaside wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

seaside wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

seaside wrote:lol i just realised it is already night....
i made those last posts without realising that devin had already been lynched.

can drugs be used on only one person? or can scum use it on more than one person?

Drugs can use his power once every even night. I think that's a reasonable assumption.

are we assuming drugs also voted for the person the next day?

If you were Drugs, would you vote for the player you tossed two extra votes on?

i have been absent throughout yesterday, so i don't know how the votes went onto both espers and devin in real time
but say for example if jjj was drugs, he voted early, gave drugs to devin the night before. then realised that it was going to be close, he could either change his vote to ensure that devin gets lynched, making it look suss with the late vote change
or he could of just left it on, knowing that espers getting lynched on a cointoss would also work for scum. or he could of communicated with his scum mates to jump onto devin to make the numbers?

As to the bolded, seaside, you're acting like you KNOW espers is civ here. Why?

I think him posting yesterday, presumably to avoid a modkill, makes him looks way worse, personally. I'll probably vote him again if he isn't modkilled.

no i don't know he is
but i'm making an assumption based on the fact that he would of had to of been around to pm hosts to do a night task like drugs, the way he was given his warning sounded like he hadn't made contact with anyone or done anything on this site for nearly 3 days. i mean he could also be scum. i still believe either jjj, espers or diiny is scum. i guess espers is the one i least suspect now.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:HOSTS: Was Devin's lynch influenced by anything other than the roles in this game?

No.

From this, I assumed that any punishment Devin received did not impact the result of the lynch.

but that doesn't mean devin vote counted

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

seaside wrote:also what is with devin self voting? has that been brought up yet?

At this point, since he flipped townie, it was definitely just a frustrated townie throwing in the towel.

I don't think we can deduce anything else from that.

well if that 1 vote doesn't count because it is rule breaking. it means there were 3 extra unaccounted votes for him not just two.
well we could theorise that there was drugs used on him and a power from one of the following: pulled up, blind or once in a lifetime.

also what is with devin self voting? has that been brought up yet?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

seaside wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

seaside wrote:lol i just realised it is already night....
i made those last posts without realising that devin had already been lynched.

can drugs be used on only one person? or can scum use it on more than one person?

Drugs can use his power once every even night. I think that's a reasonable assumption.

are we assuming drugs also voted for the person the next day?

If you were Drugs, would you vote for the player you tossed two extra votes on?

i have been absent throughout yesterday, so i don't know how the votes went onto both espers and devin in real time
but say for example if jjj was drugs, he voted early, gave drugs to devin the night before. then realised that it was going to be close, he could either change his vote to ensure that devin gets lynched, making it look suss with the late vote change
or he could of just left it on, knowing that espers getting lynched on a cointoss would also work for scum. or he could of communicated with his scum mates to jump onto devin to make the numbers?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

seaside wrote:lol i just realised it is already night....
i made those last posts without realising that devin had already been lynched.

can drugs be used on only one person? or can scum use it on more than one person?

Drugs can use his power once every even night. I think that's a reasonable assumption.

are we assuming drugs also voted for the person the next day?

lol i just realised it is already night....
i made those last posts without realising that devin had already been lynched.

can drugs be used on only one person? or can scum use it on more than one person?

Ricochet wrote:

Choutas wrote:Dear serial killer

Although we've never met before fate has intertwined our paths. I am sure this will be very bold of me but bare my straightforwardness. I have been having very clear indications that strawhenge/sig/epignosis/rico are scum. By scum I mean scum of the earth. Thugs of the lowest order that need to be exterminated in order for both of our factions to have a decent chance to win this game. Many people call you a serial killer but they are gravely mistaken. You are a white knight upholding justice. Just kill either of those four(or two if you have stacked kills) and make this world a better place.

PS: Cherish every moment, life is too small for being petty.
PS 2: Don't kill me.

Your beautiful and all knowing friend.
Little Chris.

!

Not only am I scum for you for allegedly chatting about the SK (feel free to refresh your scum read on me, if otherwise)

but you've just went from "talking about SK is scum"

to addressing the SK himself and asking for his "help"!

i believe you are town despite really wanting you to be scum

seaside wrote:Although it seems that the only person who agrees with me on that is also everyone elses top scum suspect outside of espers.

just realised i misread who else voted. ignore this line

I get those names from the people who voted for Ricochet on day 3? the one with the poll about who long con team mate. Whichever day that was.
These are the people who voted for him

JaggedJimmyJay, Rbzmncaeaei, Diiny, Golden, seaside, espers

Now RBZ and Golden have been killed.
I know i'm not scum.
Which leaves JJJ, Diiny and Espers.

Anyway, I'm sticking with either one of the 3 being scum. Espers, Diiny or JJJ
I do agree that if espers is just going to get night killed we should then just kill Diiny.

Although it seems that the only person who agrees with me on that is also everyone elses top scum suspect outside of espers.

I don't think he was drugged.

I say we all lynch diiny personally

Diiny wrote:yeah, this isn't informed but I don't want to get penalised. Golden because he's obviously scum guys

alright, i'm calling it.
out of jjj, espers and yourself, you are the scum.
you vote in the final moments of the day. you have the choice and the option to either give sorsha the clear lead (just incase of any vote tamperings) or to vote devin.
now while i could understand the hesitancy of not wanting to make that call, you then go to vote for probably the best with the most evidence pointing to them being town....
which makes me think that you know sorsha was town and didn't want to jump on in the final minutes knowing sorsha was going to flip town. maybe you don't want to jump on devin because he is your scum mate?
so then you go for some non-committal vote which will have no affect on the lynch. there wasn't going to be a change in votes all of a sudden. so what was the point? to create confusion because he killed someone on a gambit?

not to mention bragging about fooling us into thinking you've been silenced. the whole 'oh these are the people i'm gonna look into' kinda posts, where you don't actually do anything really.

What does everyone think of jjj, diiny and espers?

but for real mac
i'd like your opinion on jjj, diiny, espers
if you had to chose one to be scum, who would you think?

i'm more of a sausage roll kinda fella

anyway, i reakon there is a strong chance one of those three are scum
i'm not saying those three are my most suspicious (or suspicious at all) but i think 1 of the 3 could be scum

MacDougall wrote:

seaside wrote:What are everyones reads of the following players? whether gut reads or based on evidence/proper reasons (though state which it is based on)

JaggedJimmyJay
Rbzmncaeaei
Diiny
espers

All four are scum. Especially the second one.

smart arse

now what are your proper reads