The Syndicate

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:59 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:59 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:58 pm i’m sorry, i don’t know what happened all

i got pushed and everyone started calling me mafia and i didn’t want to ate and i didn’t have the energy to play anymore with all the valid suspicion on me

fact: this is the fourth (4) time i’ve been d1ed as the consensus scum
fact: town in every single one
fact: 2/3 led directly to bans for ate no matter how much i posted

that’s why i simply didn’t post. hope everyone plays better tomorrow but i don’t have much faith. i put effort into this game and 183 posted so i can’t be blamed for lack of effort or something

apologies for freezing up and being easy to push ig

Why didn't you show up earlier? Come on man

cba, especially when everyone has called me mafia for good reasons

would’ve ated among other things

You can simply just not ate? Try it, it's pretty easy when you wanna not.

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:58 pm i’m sorry, i don’t know what happened all

i got pushed and everyone started calling me mafia and i didn’t want to ate and i didn’t have the energy to play anymore with all the valid suspicion on me

fact: this is the fourth (4) time i’ve been d1ed as the consensus scum
fact: town in every single one
fact: 2/3 led directly to bans for ate no matter how much i posted

that’s why i simply didn’t post. hope everyone plays better tomorrow but i don’t have much faith. i put effort into this game and 183 posted so i can’t be blamed for lack of effort or something

apologies for freezing up and being easy to push ig

It's fair not to want to ate but I really don't think it makes sense to just abandon a game cuz MacDougall, noted pressure pusher, calls you not towny.

I tried to bait one, but perhaps it'd worked better if I voted a townie.

[VOTE: Robyn] aubergine It's rude of me not to steer the course I guess.

So nothing? Well then lol.

If this does flip mafia pretend I didn't pussy out at the last minute please.

So my initial impression of Robyn was that they were in their mafia range, which I mean they kind of are, but it was as much to generate discussion as anything. Their reaction to me was so over the top to just abandon the game outright, and then subsequently WWA made a decent enough argument that they were mafia so I just left them there in my solve. I didn't expect them to entirely abandon the game right up until the eleventh hour. I still attest that it's in their mafia range, but I have to admit that ... I just reread their entire ISO after having the benefit of immersing myself in the game and retrospectively their reads and play is a lot better in the worlds I now have than I had given it credit for.

So ... here we are with yet another Mac brand flip flop.

*SIGH*

Guess I'll do it

[VOTE: RondoDimBuckle] aubergine

I'm here if anyone wants to freak out in the last 30 minutes or something.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:18 pm I think I'm going to lose my compass overnight. ~ Bereft

Haha, it does seem likely. Though I will say that in these high concept Syndicate games you never know what mech is around...

It has been a fairly good experience today, I am confident in my town and the game play does align with a mafia team that are being boxed out by having limited options aside from eating themselves. Hopefully it proves true, but even if it doesn't it's not the end of the world. The day has been played well. GJ.

I think I'm going to leave my reads at least somewhat cryptic this time. I have some reads in particular that I don't really want the mafia to know about yet.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:02 pm Hey Ran.

Not sure why you have Abi so high tbh. They've done two fifths of fuck all today.

I think her D0 was pretty good and I have her as town for that

Well given my D0 was completely non event I grant that. However I certainly have concerns with their viability as a wolf in Robyn wolf teams based on their momentum and voting.

Hey Ran.

Not sure why you have Abi so high tbh. They've done two fifths of fuck all today.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:58 pm If Robyn flips town, someone's going into time-out
But I don't really believe it at this point

Don't do that. This was a team effort win or lose. All this does is sew anxiety.

the Ted counterwagon is pretty much dead. Let's see what the mafia do now.

Well you can count me among them now at least.

@tedxtr who has been townreading you?

This is all to say that Rondo being mafia for the reasons I'm beginning to crystallise just make Robyn more likely to be a hit anyway.

I don't buy Rondo at all here. He's a zany guy but his logic and reasoning is usually relatively sound. He seems like he's just using Bereft to push an agenda to me. Feels more likely than the idea that he's gone out of his way to decrypt Bereft because Bereft seemed to suspect Ted and "discovered" Bereft was also townreading Robyn. The absence of all other reasoning applied to his outcome is relatively damning.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:23 pm Rondo explain why you're sheeping Bereft on Robyn and ignoring myself, Gira and WWA being on them? What makes Bereft the better authority on this matter?

fucking hell mate. I have explained myself on bereft like 4 times now its in my iso. I am not ignoring you I tried to engage with you immediately and you proceeded to ignore me so I was just doing my thing with what little time I had. Whatever hype I had to see you and engage with you was killed D1. I dont know your cases for Robyn because I havent seen them so why would I say anything? I Gira and wwa being on Robyn means jack shit to me because I dont know their reasons.

And to state it ONCE MORE. Bereft might be cryptic but his world view matches mine so I am going to stick with what I know and vote with him.

The question is less why you're trusting him and more why you're trusting him and not a bunch of obvious townies.

And I didn't ignore you, I engaged you and you didn't reply to me.

If your argument amounts to Bereft's worldview matches with yours then you're saying you townread Robyn without his read? This seems like the ourobouros of reads.

I'm not sure I'm enamoured with the fact Rondo is hyper aware of how everyone in this game has been reading him given how flippant he is otherwise being. That sort of vigilance is abnormal for a town with the playstyle of Rondo.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:18 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:14 pm That is to say that if I was a mafia teammate of Robyn and had some intent to save them by voting out a viable town miselim I'd be looking at the likes of Ted, Bereft, Rondo, Pyxxy and maybe even Abigail and well... look at the Ted wagon.

oh lol

Tbh I think you are in a fairly hard difference check with Ted atm.

And I don't think that bodes well for you given the wagon state.

I dont see how but ok you go off

I think if you are town, Ted trying to push you is aligned with what I'd be expecting a mafia teammate of Robyn to be doing.

I think if Ted is town, you are doing what the mafia teammate of Robyn is doing.

I am relatively sure Robyn is mafia. However if she isn't, you two being this sus of each other is still reasonably often a w/t dynamic.

Rondo explain why you're sheeping Bereft on Robyn and ignoring myself, Gira and WWA being on them? What makes Bereft the better authority on this matter?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:20 pm just kill this guy asap after robyn and give me all cred

and if robyn is wolf, kill dizzy

If Robyn is wolf Rondo looks much worse. If Robyn is town I think he looks quite decent.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:18 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:16 pm Rondo beetlejuicing as soon as I start looking at him to drum up interest in the Ted wagon is fairly funny.

Youve looked at me?

Literally within the last five minutes I've been talking about how you look sus via the vc.

how? I literally just sat down can you quote?

You literally just quoted it. My point is that you not being a third c/w of any significance is relatively indicative the mafia either don't want to vote you or have given up on trying.

Given you and Ted are kind of diametrically opposed to each other and Robyn is the main wagon , plus the rest of the viable miselims are sat on Ted, it looks to me like the mafia attempted to make Ted the miselim and have come up short due to town cohesion.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:14 pm That is to say that if I was a mafia teammate of Robyn and had some intent to save them by voting out a viable town miselim I'd be looking at the likes of Ted, Bereft, Rondo, Pyxxy and maybe even Abigail and well... look at the Ted wagon.

oh lol

Tbh I think you are in a fairly hard difference check with Ted atm.

And I don't think that bodes well for you given the wagon state.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:16 pm Rondo beetlejuicing as soon as I start looking at him to drum up interest in the Ted wagon is fairly funny.

Youve looked at me?

Literally within the last five minutes I've been talking about how you look sus via the vc.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:16 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:14 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:13 pm Alright, I am at work and can kinda skim what is going on if people have questions

Why tedxtr over robyn?

I will try to take lunch early and give robyn an actual read but my main reason is that Bereft wants ted and I can get behind that because one of the three pushing me has to be a wolf

Which 3 are pushing you sorry?

Also their pushes are clearly fairly timid given your present vote count.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:15 pm Guys can you get off Robyn and get on ted? You really think getting a +1 vote is scum indicative?

I have no evidence to suggest that has even happened.

Rondo beetlejuicing as soon as I start looking at him to drum up interest in the Ted wagon is fairly funny.

That is to say that if I was a mafia teammate of Robyn and had some intent to save them by voting out a viable town miselim I'd be looking at the likes of Ted, Bereft, Rondo, Pyxxy and maybe even Abigail and well... look at the Ted wagon.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:07 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:07 pm if robyn is a wolf, they’re obviously being bussed due to how the wagon came to fruition anyway

why would numbers mean anything?

What do you you mean due to how it came to fruition?

simple

there was no case, and they are among the top posters

but im kinda confbiasing cuz i saw a dizzy vote on them that makes like 0 sense, so ymmv

Homie first and foremost, I did make an argument as to why they were mafia. So did a few others including WWA. So your idea it came to fruition off no case is invalid.

Second, cases are overrated and rand anyway. If what you're looking for is some grand prosecuteur to have spelled out and persuaded the room that's not actually something that happens much.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:09 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:07 pm if robyn is a wolf, they’re obviously being bussed due to how the wagon came to fruition anyway

why would numbers mean anything?

If large wagons form very quickly with little resistance, that's usually not a good sign. But since there are only two wagons with little hope of a counterwagon, that logic may not apply in this case.

It was an average size wagon with a fair amount of resistance for quite some time. It has just recently become rather apparent that the backbone of it has no intent to move.

I actually look at these wagons and think the wagon is provably quite pure even still though. Ted looks like the impure wagon of the two.

Which when looking at the Ted wagon. Lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:07 pm I think these wagons somewhat imply Rondo is mafia too though because if he was town I think the mafia would have tried to put emphasis on him by now.

Could also apply this logic to Bereft and to a lesser extent Pyxxy.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:07 pm if robyn is a wolf, they’re obviously being bussed due to how the wagon came to fruition anyway

why would numbers mean anything?

What do you you mean due to how it came to fruition?

I think these wagons somewhat imply Rondo is mafia too though because if he was town I think the mafia would have tried to put emphasis on him by now.

At any rate if talking about chance and probability I see more long dick day 1 wagons flip mafia than most day 1 wagons tbh.

The Robyn wagon was 4 or 5 for ages. Its only now that the POE decided to join it that its 8. I don't think the size of it is indicative of its purity or credibility if you read the context.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:55 pm I feel like wolf Robyn is playing brinkmanship with me. Just silently hoping I reevaluate as I'm prone to.

Wolf!Robyn would probably be hoping that all the most vocal townies reevaluate, you included

Yeah but they'd actually play the game and try to persuade others. With me their best bet is to do nothing.

I feel like wolf Robyn is playing brinkmanship with me. Just silently hoping I reevaluate as I'm prone to.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:22 am u mad sus Ted brah

does the sun rise in the morning?

say something new brah

nah dog

u mad sus Ted brah

brah fear not Robyn do be not town I am pretty sure o dat

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:08 am Oh yeah and I meant to also point out, notice how Robyn retracted the Bereft take when it seemed like there was danger that there was a real dichotomy being forced between them and almost nobody was voting Bereft (other than Robyn and me, and I had gone afk)

and yet Bereft does seem to be trying to tell me I'm a dumbass for sussing her... what make u of dat?

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:07 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:05 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine

Sorry Robyn ily but I do think you're strategizing like a wolf rn

Wasn't their last post at midnight EST?

(And yes, here I am up at 4. Perhaps I should move to the Aleutians)

and?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:07 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:02 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:58 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:40 am Literally never seen any town make that read ever cuz Rondo is a total maniac and everyone has the fear. Explain the read cuz it's hecka tilting me.

my top villa read is tsp

i was asking you why you wolfread rondo, cuz i was falling for his posting

Cuz the mother fuck did some wolfy ass shit even tho he did some town shit cuz that mother fuck can't help himself

wolfy shit, such as?

i’m not asking you to wolfread you, so don’t be shy. i just wanna know to not take my wolfread off him for some minor good posting with emotion

I ain't shy I already said what it was for... he did do some very sussy voting

I did agree widdit tho... still do yo

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:03 am mac, gira

who can tell those two apart anyway

fuck u bresh