The Syndicate

I really liked the game. It brought back some of the mystery of old mafia setups I used to play.

Plus, claiming was allowed, and that was a breath of fresh air (even if I didn't claim myself)

LC and Tony were both champs on D4. Most intense part of the game by far.

(no offense to nanook but if I got Tony's role I would have queeeestions)

GG

Tony your role is still wack.

Also I got more kills than the factional kill somehow

Okay well if we have another day I got more things today to do so bye guys for now

@ me if you have something you need input for

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:08 pm Maybe this was all a lesson from Nanook that he's been right all along that if we have firmly decided on a confirmed scum lynch we should just take the hammer and that further discussion time just leads to confusion and opportunity for mafia to screw us up.

But will you and Jay be here tomorrow?

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine I think we have like an hour left unless I miscounted days

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:06 pm if there's a town doctor or something this could perhaps be simplified but I don't know if in this sort of situation you'd want to out the town doctor

heck no

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:03 pm Is Nanook known for strange roles like that? My role is nowhere near as unusual.
did you see Mac's?

Mac had an extremely limited (and targeted) kill paired with pretty good every other night protection, if I understand it. It was perfectly normal.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:58 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:56 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:49 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:48 pm LOL ok I'm a bit confused. Tony says his role is to kill Desmond. He targets a player every odd night, and if they're Desmond, then they die. No?
No, he said that he kills the role and he doesn't have to know who they are. If he's not lying about this, it's a very broken role.
I really don't think it's that good
Not if it's town targeting town or mafia targeting mafia.

The role is either a partial win button or unusable. I guess the question is whether it makes sense to change the game from hunting and reading players to wheedling for names to make sure you aren't shooting yourself in the foot.

So no, the role doesn't make sense to me, and the way it was revealed makes less sense.
Maybe the purpose of the role is just the mindgame itself

But that's not really mafia? A reward for guts with no counterplay or chance to it.

Might be getting too far off into game theory here, which is something I love. The question is, is Tony telling the truth, and is he town?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:49 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:48 pm LOL ok I'm a bit confused. Tony says his role is to kill Desmond. He targets a player every odd night, and if they're Desmond, then they die. No?
No, he said that he kills the role and he doesn't have to know who they are. If he's not lying about this, it's a very broken role.
I really don't think it's that good

Not if it's town targeting town or mafia targeting mafia.

The role is either a partial win button or unusable. I guess the question is whether it makes sense to change the game from hunting and reading players to wheedling for names to make sure you aren't shooting yourself in the foot.

So no, the role doesn't make sense to me, and the way it was revealed makes less sense.

Basically agreed with you there nutella, yeah.

But I don't know whether I can put any confidence on my knowledge of the setup. Never played a nanook game before.

Host post:

A character's alignment in the video game(s) is not tied to their alignment in this game (i.e., Ezio can be mafia, Shay can be town, etc.), and alignments are randed after character assignment.

Characters are randomized. Nothing there says anything about roles. So it depends on whether Nanook had different versions of each role available for alignment, as I usually do if I'm theorizing a setup like this.
Given the weirdness of a 'kill desmond' role (assuming you're finally telling the truth, there) I wouldn't count on that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:33 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:32 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:30 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:29 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:28 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:27 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:27 pm oooooooooooh, what if tony wants to know who desmond is because they have to know who's desmond to kill them?

we have mechanics like that on ffr
...I just said that.
oh oops

hahahahaha
Isn't that usually a 3P role though?
nah. it'd be a mechanic that incentivizes town to hide their roles
So a scumrole.

Yeah that would make a lot more sense.
alignments are distributed randomly to roles.

Are they?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:30 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:29 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:28 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:27 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:27 pm oooooooooooh, what if tony wants to know who desmond is because they have to know who's desmond to kill them?

we have mechanics like that on ffr
...I just said that.
oh oops

hahahahaha
Isn't that usually a 3P role though?
nah. it'd be a mechanic that incentivizes town to hide their roles

So a scumrole.

Yeah that would make a lot more sense.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:28 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:27 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:26 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:25 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:24 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:24 pm That sounds like something I would do... on D1 or D2. Not in LYLO.
LyLo is the only time it makes sense goofball
I don't fake traps in LYLO. It's not a good time to start causing a ruckus if you're town.
I...what? Did you read my post?
Yes?
I think you may have misread it. I am accusing you of being scum who fell into a trap set by a town Tony.

Oh. I was referring to Tony's side of things. The laying of the supposed trap. It didn't occur to me to respond to your actual accusation.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:28 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:27 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:27 pm oooooooooooh, what if tony wants to know who desmond is because they have to know who's desmond to kill them?

we have mechanics like that on ffr
...I just said that.
oh oops

hahahahaha

Isn't that usually a 3P role though?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:26 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:25 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:24 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:24 pm That sounds like something I would do... on D1 or D2. Not in LYLO.
LyLo is the only time it makes sense goofball
I don't fake traps in LYLO. It's not a good time to start causing a ruckus if you're town.
I...what? Did you read my post?

Yes?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:22 pm Could there be soup involved in all of this?
God I hope not. What a terrible mechanic.

Soup is the best mechanic, so long as it's in the host post.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:24 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:24 pm That sounds like something I would do... on D1 or D2. Not in LYLO.
LyLo is the only time it makes sense goofball

I don't fake traps in LYLO. It's not a good time to start causing a ruckus if you're town.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:20 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:18 pm I was specifically wary of claiming rolenames because I thought it might give mafia power.

Tony lied and said he'd get a cop out of it. I figured that's fine. And hey, my role shouldn't be linked to his.

Now he can just kill a particular name, only on odd nights? How is that a town-role? How does it make sense? And why would he reveal that at this point?

Forgive me if these have already been answered, but holy crap I thought today would be simple.
What if it's a trap that you fell right into in displaying your eagerness to find any reason to lynch someone other than Epi? Maybe this is your dream opportunity to mislynch and win.

That sounds like something I would do... on D1 or D2. Not in LYLO.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:21 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:12 pm Oh Tony can kill desmond specifically?

I'm not desmond.
Didn’t you already claim someone else

I did.

Did a desmond claim after me? If not, why have you outed that?

I was specifically wary of claiming rolenames because I thought it might give mafia power.

Tony lied and said he'd get a cop out of it. I figured that's fine. And hey, my role shouldn't be linked to his.

Now he can just kill a particular name, only on odd nights? How is that a town-role? How does it make sense? And why would he reveal that at this point?

Forgive me if these have already been answered, but holy crap I thought today would be simple.

I'm not counter-claiming, I'm calling Tony a liar based on his own posts.

Letting scum with a free extra kill live right now will cost the game.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:12 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:37 pm What if he wasn't confident enough in any of his reads to justify killing someone?
That should not be a real thought. A vigshot is simply a public cop check. It is always beneficial to use it if one is given to you (and funnygurl is right in her post, that night 1 seems more optimal to use it than night 2, if macdougall was indeed given the option).

That's asinine. A vig is a vig, a cop is a cop. Don't 'certain point of view' me.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:11 pm Tony seems a pretty obvious lynch tbh. If we don't we're boned.

linki: he told me he had a cop.
Sorry I'm quite behind.
I do have a cop

Killing people isn't a cop.

Oh Tony can kill desmond specifically?

I'm not desmond.

Tony seems a pretty obvious lynch tbh. If we don't we're boned.

linki: he told me he had a cop.
Sorry I'm quite behind.

Liar. [VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Sorry I can't be around today. I'll try for better tomorrow.

Looking it up, I'm apparently the protagonist of Assassin's Creed Rogue? That's a game I didn't know existed. Name is Shay Cormac.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:32 am Thinking through a trustfall leaves me worse on everyone, but in a different order.

(epi) speed TS FG LC Sloonei

As for the roles thing, I have a power that has the ability to essentially act as a cop for any player. It only works on certain roles — I need to find one of those roles to use it. It also only works on odd nights, and since this is the last odd night in the game (most likely) I will have no more opportunities to make use of it. So that’s why I’m asking now. I just need character names.

This might be worth doing, quite frankly. If it's LYLO, I need to be cleared before tomorrow's lynch.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:19 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:17 am We know Epignosis is a mafioso.

Does anyone still have room left in their solving spaces for a civilian speechuck?
It is difficult to fit him in there, not because of anything he has done, but because that means two of these other folks must be bad. Unless funnygurl and mikey have been doing some crazy hoodwinking all along, I don’f see it.

I could see funnygurl as having set up the whole role thing with Epi, at least.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:21 am @TonyStarkPrime you suggested you were inclined to stick to the status quo in light of Epignosis trying to generate paranoia. I think that's an agreeable sentiment, and yet I note your reads are not the status quo. Who's your three-player mafia team with a gun to the old noggin?
I think they are.

Epi
Speed
????
Seems like status quo.

That's gonna be a problem.

I object to being called goofy or lame.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:40 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:18 am @TonyStarkPrime 1/3 of your posts D3 have been about getting people to flavorclaim. This is after we found out that Mac's protection in his role could be subverted by flavor (if he were only attacked or visited by characters with boats, probably from ACIV: Black Flag).

Tell me why we should empower all the roles that rely on flavor-related things, and I'll consider a flavor claim.
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:34 am It looks like I did not miss much and yet I missed quite a lot. It is worth checking funnygurl, epignosis, and MacDougall character wikis for mentions of ships or aquatism or anything of the like, I think. I am also curious to know why Tony would like people to be character claiming.
I know something about a character. I want to know who that character is.

I don't believe that's worth the risk. Convince me otherwise.

(I take no credit for the above picture)

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] 1/3 of your posts D3 have been about getting people to flavorclaim. This is after we found out that Mac's protection in his role could be subverted by flavor (if he were only attacked or visited by characters with boats, probably from ACIV: Black Flag).

Tell me why we should empower all the roles that rely on flavor-related things, and I'll consider a flavor claim.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:02 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:01 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:56 am yeah i got a ship

AND AN EAGLE

i'm loaded
Problem solved.
who are u

No. I refuse.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:56 am yeah i got a ship

AND AN EAGLE

i'm loaded

Problem solved. :pirate:

Caught up mostly.

Hey funnygurl you got a ship now?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:45 pm @speedchuck
Have you claimed a role yet? If not, please do.

Has everyone else? I'm not caught up but it still seems like a terrible idea

Explaining it might kill the joke. I find it a funny observation.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:24 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:23 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:20 pm Oh, judging by vote count, if Epignosis is town, then Long Con and Sloonei both need to be mafia, otherwise mafia would just hammer and win. So Epignosis is definitely outed wolf.
This argument is hilarious but I kinda agree with it.
What's funny about it?

In essence it boils down to "welp, we haven't lost yet even with throwing votes everywhere. Guess this works."

I've used the reasoning before. Lylo is funny like that.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:20 pm Oh, judging by vote count, if Epignosis is town, then Long Con and Sloonei both need to be mafia, otherwise mafia would just hammer and win. So Epignosis is definitely outed wolf.

This argument is hilarious but I kinda agree with it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:12 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:11 pm Epi's practically lolcatting.

I'm more concerned with his claim. Why fake it? Why even make it in the first place, especially to lie about it and risk it being countered?
lolcatting?

What does that even mean?
obv!scumming.
No. I'm a civilian who is getting fucked because I got a shitty role that doesn't make any sense and nobody believes it.

Why claim it in the first place? Why is your role towny rather than scummy? Why are your target(s) towny rather than scummy?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:11 pm Epi's practically lolcatting.

I'm more concerned with his claim. Why fake it? Why even make it in the first place, especially to lie about it and risk it being countered?
lolcatting?

What does that even mean?

obv!scumming.

Epi's practically lolcatting.

I'm more concerned with his claim. Why fake it? Why even make it in the first place, especially to lie about it and risk it being countered?

Going on a walk.

I'm just going to note that having anyone at 3 votes is dangerous if we wanna make full use of this phase. Especially if Jay/Nut are only here today.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:08 pm Long Con actually voted himself the other Day phase. Any words for him?

This is lylo though

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