The Syndicate

I'm going to sheep Robyn's townread on Cape.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:30 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:28 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:21 pm I’ve perused back the last thirty moments of the sun gobble I can only doodle that to be one of the flibber, bungle endings to a giggle I can hummingbird. Whirlwind is an absolute harmony jester and I have no riddle if that is to be mirrored in his arrangement. Rainbow begs to be decoded and I would be vaporizing something if she wasn’t rescued yesterday. Because if Rainbow is boozy, JJJ is purported good, which would be wildly useful.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
There's someone he thinks was suspicious at EoD, but I cant for the life of me figure out who that was.

He thinks Michelle might've been rescued, and wants to flip them because if it flips red then it clears J³.

Idg how this curse works. Why is J³ not censored ugh.
yeah its a frame rescue. It was tvt d1. Wolves had full control of thread

I also think the wagons were t/t but I don't think a coordinated frame rescue makes any sense. If I were wolfing I'd easily go on town Michelle who could be cleared later over no show Seanzie.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:26 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:37 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:49 am
What's normally suspicious about your style?

I think this kind of comment about finding it weird you're too trusted is >rand mafia. A lot of townies are confident in their townieness even if they are suspected often, but it's easy for mafia to assume they're suspicious.
One one level, I have no idea. Maybe I'm just drawn that way? Some of it is how I approach the game and suspicion--some of it is meta, but a lot of it is noticing patterns and when those patterns are off. Which many see as a suspicious way to suspect people, apparently.

And, in a bigger way, your noting my discomfort in being trusted is an excellent example of why--on this particular site. It's a mafia culture thing. I learned mafia in a very different setting than that of most of the players on here. There are some players (SVS, LC in this game) I've been playing with for about 15 years--I think Wilgy for at least a decade. I may have forgotten someone else who is in this game (other than our wonderful host). The game we played then, on sites like LP and The Piano, was stylistically different--we developed our own mafia slang, almost all games were ones in which pretty much everyone has a power, info dumping was essentially always frowned on--at least past a certain point, when we all seemed to realize it's not nearly as much fun that way, and agreed that there just wouldn't be any any more. Where puzzles and hidden messages were everywhere. This site, in large part, grew out of that world--and merged it with other mafia communities.

The mafia game style of those other communities mostly became the prominent culture, with some aspects of my original realm staying around. like this color.

And I still play with my same style that I always have, even though I know that most around me have a different style--and will suspect me for my style. I'm good with that.

Although, I do twirl a lot less than I used to.

As for your suspicion, unless I'm misunderstanding ">rand mafia" (as I don't actually know what that means). It is very par for the course in the games of most of my mafia playing for civvies to not want to be publicly trust. I mean, I guess in a game where there is only 1 bad faction (and no apparent neutral or indy roles), it makes more sense for civs to not worry so much when trusted, but...I'm still more accustomed to games where such a structure (2 teams, one good one bad) is the exception and not the rule,

While I'm waxing nostalgic, and in a Ted Lasso game, a shout out to the OG Diamond Dog, in whose honor this smiley was created It's literally based on the actual human. I miss that FEB.

Okay, what you and JJJ said about not wanting to be townread makes sense, and that comment might be NAI coming from you. You said JJJ's play was too much work to be fake, how much experience do you have with him? Afaik he tries hard as both alignments and can't be effort cleared alone.
minor concern

why assume that comment is NAI coming from LoRab if you question how much experience they have with JJJ?

I didn't mean the JJJ comment, I meant the comment about not wanting to be trusted because LoRab is an old school player.

I hate how little info I have.

I also feel like I’m going to find town Michelle if she’s there. I don’t feel that about Sean.

I like Michelle’s recent posting

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I’m finally here. Going to quickly ISO the wagons

I'm going to class and I won't be around until the last 15 minutes or so of EoD.

The Michelle vote is more of a GTH. Out of the low posters I don't see myself voting for Wilgy today since his posts have seemed normal for Wilgy so far.

I wouldn't mind a DM vote if she doesn't catch up like she said.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:51 pm I will expand on my current Seanzie vote, because I understand it's the kind of thing that will elicit one of the following responses from the majority of players:

1) grumble grumble why vote for someone that hasn't said anything
2) wow Jay opportunistic easy target very sus
3) that provides no information, dumb dumb

The actual rationale:

-- POE is leading me to a situation where it seems likely the zero posters includes a mafia member. I have too many town reads (to varying degrees) otherwise.
-- My blind interaction analysis suggested that the active players broadly don't fit together very well except in highly specific (and thus, unlikely) combinations

So that's why I would vote for [zero poster].

Beyond that, I even chose a specific zero poster for a reason, though I acknowledge this is considerably less important and more "technical". It's entirely possible that none of Seanzie, ts account, and Rondo are aware of the game yet. That might be most likely. But if we assume for the sake of argument that any of them has seen their role card, then we must ask which one is most likely to say nothing as mafia?

Rondo? Hell no. He'll talk.
ts account? No clue, really.
Seanzie? Yes, he'd wait around. He actually did in Don't Starve (albeit to a lesser extent, he posted 11 hours after game start).

It's hard for something like this to feel inspired, I understand. But I wanted to explain why I voted, because there's more reasoning than one might assume.

When I saw your vote I actually thought it made sense. Atp I'd rather not vote a zero poster since I do care about generating info at this point, but I think there's a good chance of one or more mafia in the inactives.

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Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:15 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:06 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:02 pm When was the last time you rolled mafia? Mind if I checked it out? I thought there was a game I was speccing where I pegged you as mafia by like day 3 but I don’t remember if that was confbias or you actually were mafia
Refer to the links in this post -- plenty of examples to work with. It's been both annoying and vindicating to be mafia so many times lately. I had one of my worst games ever in Philosophy 2 a couple years ago, but since then I have gone 5-0 as mafia (despite never being pleased to see the role card at first). Feels nice.
Wait- THATS RIGHT! I was just in a game with you in Don’t Starve, and would have absolutely gunned for you D2 if I didn’t get D1’d. I totally forgot about that game.

Ok ok I *can* read you.
You don't seem too confident here tho

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:32 am Good morning!
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:15 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:15 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:06 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:02 pm When was the last time you rolled mafia? Mind if I checked it out? I thought there was a game I was speccing where I pegged you as mafia by like day 3 but I don’t remember if that was confbias or you actually were mafia
Refer to the links in this post -- plenty of examples to work with. It's been both annoying and vindicating to be mafia so many times lately. I had one of my worst games ever in Philosophy 2 a couple years ago, but since then I have gone 5-0 as mafia (despite never being pleased to see the role card at first). Feels nice.
Wait- THATS RIGHT! I was just in a game with you in Don’t Starve, and would have absolutely gunned for you D2 if I didn’t get D1’d. I totally forgot about that game.

Ok ok I *can* read you.
You don't seem too confident here tho
That declaration is me feeling confident. Not sure what you mean
Putting 'can' between stars, I take it as not a solid statement.
Otoh if you can meta read Jay I am envious because I can't. Some hints will be appreciated!
Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:22 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:15 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:06 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:02 pm When was the last time you rolled mafia? Mind if I checked it out? I thought there was a game I was speccing where I pegged you as mafia by like day 3 but I don’t remember if that was confbias or you actually were mafia
Refer to the links in this post -- plenty of examples to work with. It's been both annoying and vindicating to be mafia so many times lately. I had one of my worst games ever in Philosophy 2 a couple years ago, but since then I have gone 5-0 as mafia (despite never being pleased to see the role card at first). Feels nice.
Wait- THATS RIGHT! I was just in a game with you in Don’t Starve, and would have absolutely gunned for you D2 if I didn’t get D1’d. I totally forgot about that game.

Ok ok I *can* read you.
You don't seem too confident here tho
i think this is ~rand town perhaps
That's a pocketing attempt perhaps

This felt a bit like going through the motions, especially the pocketing attempt.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I'd rather go here. I have enough doubt on Scotty and I feel worse about Michelle than other low posters rn.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:45 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:25 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:00 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:56 pm I think your being cleared way to easily just for posting a lot and being loud
We can resolve JJJ later. I almost never feel like he’s a good D1 vote unless every other player is, like, Aristotle

Tho tbh playing with a bunch of philosophers sounds like a fucking nightmare so nm
Y'all can but I have a severe allergic reaction to just deciding not to solve people and let a possible wolf take control without question for any extensive period of town
On the flip side, if Jay IS town, we lose a significant voice. Did you SEE the flip charts and excel spreadsheets he just posted? That’s gold.

You might think I’m being sarcastic, and I’m actually not. If he’s bad, I think it will become clearer as the days go on.

I have some of the same feelings about you. We have so many inactives this game that if we kill a high posting player and we're wrong we're just doing mafia's work for them and leaving the people that don't care alive.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:40 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:31 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:25 pm I made an important point about Scotty in my blind interaction analysis. I’d love feedback on that in particular.
I've been burned pretty badly before by making the read of "they're not wolf because they're not teamed with anyone" so I take that with caution especially when there are inactive players. A lot of the unpairings you made I agree with, like Scotty/SVS or Scotty/LoRab not being teamed. Can you explain the Scotty/Bereft unpairing?

It does lower the odds of Scotty being scum somewhat but I don't take it as a strong point.

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Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:42 am I'm too lazy to check, but does anyone have an actual take on J^3?
Do you? All I’m finding is “I don’t find that logic overwrought from J3”

Is that a town read?

This kind of "gotcha" line of questioning is more typical of smearing than distancing (if we assume Scotty is mafia).

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Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:12 am I'm sorry but my relationship with Robyn is of a confidential nature.

On a more serious note, if I told you that I know Robyn is town, what would you do with it?

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:28 am Not that I expected @Scotty to have an interest in it regardless, but Scotty did not answer my question.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:42 am Scotty, if you read the post, there is a sentence that ends with a question mark.

You seem very all over the place at the moment and I hate to admit that I'm struggling to parse it.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:47 am I can also be more charitable to Scotty.

Look, lets pretend you knew Robyn was town, what would you do with it?

This entire sequence is kind of pointless for teammates. It's not "impossible", but my instinct is nah.

Why was Scotty/Bereft the association you chose to ask about?

When I went over all the green ones I thought of some interaction that could be unpairing for all of them but I couldn't remember Scotty/Bereft interactions.

I don't think Scotty/Cape are teamed anymore btw, and even when I made the read I knew it was low probability. I just nailed a w/w pair from d1 distancing in my last town game so I got excited when I had the thought.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:20 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:03 pm @Thunal33, I had the same thought that Cape's quick flurry of anti-Scotty propaganda might be more about getting out of trouble than actually suspecting Scotty. However, he made some points I thought were legitimately compelling too.
I think subscribing to Thunal's logic is silly, like why would I not only feel the need to get pressure off myself but also bus at the same time? Like to me that's a pretty bad mafia play unless I was gonna play exactly like ilario or something from my mafia team of Severance that u hosted. But you also said you dont in like another post. Generally I am anti bus early on, like I would vaguely sus my maf partners verbally if they were sussing me and if the thread direction was really going that way, then i might succumb. Like I didnt have a good voting record in my recent scum game here.

I felt kinda strange about ur dynamic with me/Scotty and how hard you shifted into me all of the sudden being scum from your light town reads. Felt like you were building specifically scumreads off consensus

I think Cape straight up calling my logic silly is unpairing with Scotty. It's easier to be dismissive when you know it's wrong.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:25 pm I made an important point about Scotty in my blind interaction analysis. I’d love feedback on that in particular.

I've been burned pretty badly before by making the read of "they're not wolf because they're not teamed with anyone" so I take that with caution especially when there are inactive players. A lot of the unpairings you made I agree with, like Scotty/SVS or Scotty/LoRab not being teamed. Can you explain the Scotty/Bereft unpairing?

It does lower the odds of Scotty being scum somewhat but I don't take it as a strong point.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:23 am
robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:14 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:01 am
robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:53 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:44 amrobyn
if i had found u as town would i be a confident tr btw?

or do u just respect my wolfgame that much
my answer to this question would always be no so I am not sure why you are asking this

I do generally think your posts are good, but they haven't leapt out at me as really towny like Bereft's recently have honestly. I think around the point when you started questioning my thunal vote while also being on thunal yourself was pretty towny though, and yes all of those listed are in order.
some people would say yes

understandable, and what do you think about my constant lying so far?
Mostly NAI, felt okay about the lying to thunal thing because it felt bait-y

When did they lie to me?

Tbh, I'm not all that confident about Scotty being wolf and I keep going back and forth on him. If we kill Scotty and we're wrong, we just lost a top posting town voice in a game that really needs them.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:21 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:15 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

I'm probably most comfortable with my vote here for the night.
did i miss something?

Yeah, I started getting sus on Scotty the page before and showed some of that.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:08 am
robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:58 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:53 am
robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:12 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:52 pm I’ve turned around on Cape- even tho he doesn’t have a lot of posts, what posts he has made are actual reads. Obviously I would like him to expand on them, but he’s making definitive reads

Thunal on the surface looks fine with their reads, if not making reads that come off as half baked. And no one wants a half baked pie, except maybe the stray cat that hangs out on my patio after dark. He’ll eat anything.
Scumlean
this post is actually disgusting, but i have to read cape's posts in the interim, either way blahhhh, early shade on cape who is the easiest mischop on this side of the mississippi is just not a good look for a player of scotty's stature and understanding
This post seems opportunistic.

Of all the people having suspicions on me, yours feels hollow

[VOTE: robyn] aubergine
of course, i only voted u because bereft did, i never suspected u until after reading ur iso

the only real reason was to see u under pressure, i'd never vote for a bad post and i know that i looked at your iso after i was already slightly conf bias

i was gonna unvote u a few posts ago because your read on cape and suspicion of jjj (before you tr him, but after too, mainly before) felt organic

anyway ur still town
Does not compute.

You are basically admitting you are sheeping bereft and are not coming to conclusions on your own.

@Bereft i don’t know your relationship with Robyn, but do you feel like you would be confident in determining if Robyn is pocketing you? Do you feel that this game, or no?

With both this and your sus on JJJ, why is sheeping scummy?

I don't think sheeping someone is scum indicative. My vote on you is partially sheep and I'm fine with that.

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:21 am wait fuck scotty might be town but i can’t explain this

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:22 am the reason is straight awful but it might be right

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:28 am actually ignore me

Here's a big reason why I don't agree with the robyn sus btw. They're playing unfiltered imo, and have sequences like this that are a lot easier to actually think of than to fake all the steps as a wolf.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:53 am
robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:12 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:52 pm I’ve turned around on Cape- even tho he doesn’t have a lot of posts, what posts he has made are actual reads. Obviously I would like him to expand on them, but he’s making definitive reads

Thunal on the surface looks fine with their reads, if not making reads that come off as half baked. And no one wants a half baked pie, except maybe the stray cat that hangs out on my patio after dark. He’ll eat anything.
Scumlean
this post is actually disgusting, but i have to read cape's posts in the interim, either way blahhhh, early shade on cape who is the easiest mischop on this side of the mississippi is just not a good look for a player of scotty's stature and understanding
This post seems opportunistic.

Of all the people having suspicions on me, yours feels hollow

[VOTE: robyn] aubergine

I don't think I agree with the Robyn sus, but it's a decent original point for Scotty to pick up. Especially because robyn only expressed sus on the shade on Cape when Scotty was already being widely suspected and not before.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:33 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:41 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:38 pm Clearly there's a wolf in the Scotty, Bereft, Cape90, Jay realm, so which of these is it?
Scotty > Cape90 >>>>> Bereft
[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

Full on OMGUS mode. I know I said Jay shouldn’t be D1’d but circumstances change and I feel like I’d be remiss if I missed this again

I don't like that Scotty went straight to voting Jay here. It's hard to see suspecting Jay because he sheeped people as a real thought.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 11:36 am catching up and voting before deadline for sure

That's something. Any leans/thoughts off the top of your head?

I'm worried about the amount of low or no posters in this game. I've seen completely winnable games lost because the people that didn't do anything were the ones left alive.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

I'm probably most comfortable with my vote here for the night.

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:05 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:02 pm If my Scotty/Cape w/w tinfoil is right I'm going to be really happy.
does wolf!scotty immediately call wolf!cape's entry blendy? especially when cape just wolfed confidently in severance, therefore scotty knows that cape is a solid wolf and can play and maneuver on his own. seems too good to be true even though i had a similar though and quickly dismissed it

Yeah, it's actually pretty common to immediately FoS a partner. An early push was what tipped me off to the YOLOSWAG2/JC2 pairing in the MU game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:03 pm @Thunal33, I had the same thought that Cape's quick flurry of anti-Scotty propaganda might be more about getting out of trouble than actually suspecting Scotty. However, he made some points I thought were legitimately compelling too.

I can see some of it - when I went back and reread Scotty his ISO seemed more one note than I remember and some of his reasons for suspecting people weren't very strong or actually scum AI.

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:59 pm thunal can u give me an exposition/400~ word overview of your play, good and bad, in the semi anon space opera game

It was great because i got n1ed pretending to be ladd and had no responsibility for losing to matt.

If my Scotty/Cape w/w tinfoil is right I'm going to be really happy.

I'm having trouble sorting Cape. He turned around really fast and in response to pressure twice which made me think he was trying to get the pressure off him and find a push because he was getting voted. But I liked some of his earlier thoughts and they were similar to mine.

I have a tinfoil Scotty/Cape are w/w. Cape has way more reasons to sus Scotty and finds a lot of his posts wrong, but his other susses like SVS, Abi, and me are much thinner. I also don't quite get why he opened Scotty's early ISO in the first place instead of someone else's since his last Scotty read was a townread.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:44 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:40 pm This is something I actually think is towny for Scotty. Why would wolf Scotty weaken his push by saying he agreed with my reads? I feel like wolf Scotty would just go after me rather than giving credit to my reads especially if one was right. Even if they were both wrong I think he'd either push me harder or pocket me by finding common ground as mafia.
I read that the opposite way. It's not so much that he "waffled" on you or lost confidence about you, but rather he disproved his own read of you.

He called your reads of S~V~S and LoRab "half baked" based on frivolities (they "came out of nowhere" or were "not strong", whatever those really mean), and then he granted why they weren't half-baked... all while keeping his vote on you. In this instance, I don't care much about what "mafia Scotty" would or would not be likely to do from the standpoint of "how to handle Thunal", but rather I have to ask "was this ever a real read at all"?

It could be a real read, but your post made me think of something. When I find someone who has similar thoughts to me that I didn't say anything about yet, I'd tend towards townreading them rather than having gripes for how they came up with those reads. Normally I feel good about having the same opinions as someone else even if I thought the way they got there was sudden or weak.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:40 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:32 pm @JaggedJimmyJay what are your top reasons for sussing Scotty?
It would be dishonest of me to call them my reasons, because I am kind of sheeping this one right now. But I think some others raised valid gripes or were otherwise convincing:

- Scotty calling Long Con's "unhinged" post towny was goofy.
- As S~V~S climbs the town ladder, I give her instinct more credence (that Scotty was off in resisting LC's suspicion of her)
- His read on LoRab didn't actually make sense (this thing) -- acknowledging a "difference in approach" with respect to her aversion to town reads and then basically ignoring that difference when suspecting her.
- Bereft has never openly town read Scotty, and I think he has a strong grip on the game right now.
- I decided my own town read was biased by my desire for players to be involved, and he was the first to take up that banner.

I might add one new gripe: his suspicion of you seemed kind of opportunistic. He even agreed with your reads

The LoRab thing is an interesting point. People like you, SVS, and LoRab herself were quick to tell me that it's normal to not want to be trusted for old school players, but Scotty knew this (I think) and still found it suspicious.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:01 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:00 pm [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine
Cu cu cachoo
Could you indicate which of Thunal's read(s) you found half-baked?
Their vote for SVS came out of nowhere for me:
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Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:40 am
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S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:53 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?
Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?
@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am
I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

That used to freak me out, too. Naming civs, like WTF. Extreme target painting. I still don't love rainbow lists, and prefer baddie hunting to townie hunting.

I'm used to it now.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:59 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:56 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.
Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me
OK, you're freaking me out here. I don't think you've EVER said anything like this to/about me. Not the last 3 games. EVERY. GAME. Every one. You think I'm bad.

What did you take away from wolfing with me that makes you say this?

Also gotta go get ready for work. Love my new job, hate the longer commute.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:04 am One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.

I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.
Where are SVS's own reads? A lot of her posts feel like commentary and not actually taking stances. LC's post used to be read as auto bad and Scotty's freaking her out, but she didn't make actual reads off those when I feel like it would be natural for her to do.

@S~V~S
[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Their loRab push was also not strong.

Even though through a lens, I actually independently find I agree with their reads of both SVS and LoRab: where are SVS’ reads, and why is LoRab so freaked out about being townread?

This is something I actually think is towny for Scotty. Why would wolf Scotty weaken his push by saying he agreed with my reads? I feel like wolf Scotty would just go after me rather than giving credit to my reads especially if one was right. Even if they were both wrong I think he'd either push me harder or pocket me by finding common ground as mafia.

I personally don't think Scotty has been scummy and I have a few town pings from him, but enough people I feel good about are sussing him (particularly JJJ/Long Con) that I want to reeval that read.

@JaggedJimmyJay what are your top reasons for sussing Scotty?

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:28 pm do u have a read on me thunal or am i still null?

You're a townlean at this point. Pretty much for tone stuff/feeling comfortable and I liked how you objected to my push.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:10 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:47 am Lorab isn’t doing anything so far to make me townread her, and frankly is rather blendy in her entrance posts.

Though I don’t remember how LoRab operates. It’s been a while
blendy this blendy that

Tbf, I've seen town Scotty make that kind of read.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:49 pm I do actually. When prompted to iso S~V~S to find the game I was referencing for comparison, I saw some posts I liked.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:19 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?
Probably. We tend to circle, and in the last game we played, I was bad and railroaded him hideously. I would be surprised if he wasn't somewhat paranoid of me. I haven't read why he susses me yet, I'm answering my @'s first.

Watching your game, I figured out what triggers me about him, he has an almost theatricality about him, that I view as acting to an extent, and to me acting = (in a Mafia game) fake = bad. So I was kinda interested to see what our dynamic was here.
Good, will elaborate on wrt the third quote, since it elaborates on this point.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:04 am One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.

I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.
This is a correct reaction to my presence. For that matter, any interest at all in reading my slot tends to be is a good sign.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:53 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?
Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?
@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.
In my experience, mafia does not do this often, that is, give up trade secrets of how they play. If SVS if mafia, they can simply not say this and instead push LC on the expressed basis.

And in general, a recurring theme with SVS's posts is that I find them honest on a fundamental level. Whereas Scotty accused SVS of having comments and no reads, I think this is a good thing. Mafia is more inclined to bother forcing comments into reads, and whenever they get around to it to explaining their comments in more detail, SVS makes sense in why they havent turned observations into reada. I've played with town SVS at least once, and all of this has been congruent with my impression of them as generally not having alot of hard feelings on a lot of people.

Tbh, I think your point on SVS saying LC is an easy elim when she's bad makes sense. I don't necessarily agree on mafia being more inclined to force comments because sometimes it's hard to take hard stances as mafia.

I have a bit less confidence on my read on her since her return and she's someone I'm having a hard time sorting. Even on her return, she felt a bit more blendy and not ruffling feathers than I remember town SVS being. However I know my town style varies a lot based on what reads I have and it could be that SVS just doesn't have a reason to ruffle feathers yet.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:51 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:17 pm LoRab seems to be on the same page as me which is good
Somewhat DM just for beginning
Somewhat robyn
SVS worries me a little bit for the thing i pointed out earlier + #202 tonally speaking
Thunal thanks for also having a sus on SVS ur townish now + asking clarifying questions there = good

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:44 pm Just want to point out that nobody has "done anything clearing"

Thought S~V~S's return was alright

[VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

Deciding between you/Thunal tbh

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:46 pm i'm kinda regretting my life choices cuz idk if wolf vocally susses JJJ of all people here

[VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine

I don't believe there's a visible progression to explain this.
I have no idea what i am doing

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

Like it's hard to explain, but thunal feels slightly off but I got really nothing and I liked their S~V~S sus and then i said oh i think i like SVS's return and then looking back i'm just like "wtf was i saying". I was also going off of what SVS said about Thunal maybe being more aggro then previous times

In terms of Princess Abigail her pushes in the thread felt like really weird, like in an anti mindmeldy way, but also thought them pushing you was like probably towny, and they aren't exactly playing atypically for Neon.

I feel like I am gonna be misvoted this game because I am gonna be lazy and no im not gonna change that, but yeah that's my thought process

Do you know anything about my play?

There had to be a reason why you liked SVS's return and this quick turnaround feels like you're caving in to pressure. I don't understand why you'd trust SVS's meta on me when SVS was your main suspect.

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:53 pm thunal townie asf, how do u not see it?

You're still voting me.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:52 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:48 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:46 pm i'm kinda regretting my life choices cuz idk if wolf vocally susses JJJ of all people here

[VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine
What happened here? Earlier you had me as good. Is there something in particular that pinged you?
it's more like I townread you/SVS the least out of any notable people who have talked and voting low/no posters would be kinda lame

I feel like we've had a lot of similar thoughts though. SVS yes, but also townreading Long Con and thinking Abi wouldn't push Jay as mafia. I'm not seeing anything from your pov that leads to sus on me.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:48 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:58 pm If I opened your iso how many posts would I find that are just LAMIST posts talking about mafia theory or the mech of this game or telling people things like how to play in this specific game?

I feel like it's a lot. I feel like that's easy for mafia to hide behind.
i think it draws huge attention to him and makes it so that mafia see him as a threat which is what I like too call

self resolving

These are basically my thoughts on him. Day 1 isn't time to tinfoil if the biggest and widely townread voices are mafia imo, I look at easier worlds and then look at harder ones if it seems like the easier ones aren't right.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:46 pm i'm kinda regretting my life choices cuz idk if wolf vocally susses JJJ of all people here

[VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine

What happened here? Earlier you had me as good. Is there something in particular that pinged you?

I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing for your (JJJ) alignment though. It would be easy for mafia JJJ to townread me to try to pocket me, or push me if he thought he had a chance of getting me over. I think the former would be more likely.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:16 pm @Thunal33, I don't recall you engaging with my read on you so far. I have held you consistently at null and even lent a local endorsement to a 2-vote wagon that appeared on you very quickly. What do you make of my read on you, and what has held you back from talking about that (or, if you have, please point the way)?

I didn't even know you still had me as null since it's been a bit since your most recent list. I thought it made sense before my SVS push since I didn't make a whole lot of different early reads or really AI content, but right now I am a little surprised you don't have me as at least a town lean. I think I've given enough content to show my alignment and I think my willingness to prod and engage with people is towny.

I don't think I've held back from talking about it though, I just don't have much to talk about because it's a null read. I thought it would change once I got more involved with the game.

Abi pushing Jay pretty much out of the gate feels like chaotic town Abi. Idk about Abi specifically but most mafia would be afraid to fight with Jay given his reputation.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:00 pm @Thunal33 “investigate”? I’m watching him and reading his posts. How else am I supposed to investigate? Give him a DNA test?

Like, following up on the post somehow in the moment. You did ask what made him say that, but I'd expect a take on him from it or prodding him about other things to try to get a read.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:51 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:40 pm I do feel decent about JJJ this game. He's not just putting in effort, he's putting in a lot of pro-town effort and geenrating info for town so that's enough for a town lean.
I think this is an awful way to judge J3

He didn't say anything in isolation that made me think he was obvious town but I think it's good enough grounds for a townlean on day 1. He hasn't said anything that pinged me.

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