JJJ's Bad First Dates Mafia [END]

[Seanzie]

Would you mind attempting the Rem Challenge?

yes, sorry. i want to win, but not at the cost of my sanity

You earlier asked me to run multiple D1 ISOs to get caught up. I'm asking for one. I don't want anyone to sacrifice their mental health, but I don't think my ask does that.

i asked you to iso people who have had like 40-50 game relevant posts. i warned you to ignore zenon and rem's posts

ur asking me to specifically look thru shitposting to confirm ur count of 10 game relevant points. this is unimportant sean. i believe u that u counted 10. there is no value in me putting in the effort to confirm there's 10 or if there's 2 more or less

There's more than 10. Also Rem is town.

You show me yours, I'll show you mine.

I slightly messed up where my tabs are at trying to find an earlier post, but aside from those mess ups, I have the posts that I thought were content-ful ready to post. I think the thread needs to see this.

[tutuu]

How you don't see this as a clearly super townie exercise is beyond me. Beyond me by far.

i have no idea why you think so

[tutuu]

Do the Rem Challenge.

No.

[tutuu]

[VOTE: robyn] aubergine

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Let's talk about Rem both as I know her and like as I've experienced her.

I've played with Rem a number of times. The ones that always stick out to me are Mafia League, our first game together, The game that shan't be named and another one that I won't elaborate on.

I'm not fact checking myself but in all these games Rem was town.

In our first game together Rem was playing traditional mafia. Me and her got into it pretty badly. We did not agree on anything big sadness and we got into some pretty heated discussions. I think eventually we found each other but I've mostly forgotten what happened.

However in mafia league the game I remember the most was our 2nd game together where the first thing I did was asked Rem to mason with me before I even had a read there because I wanted to be friends xD but also I quickly realized she was town because she simply did not care about looking town and she did nor try to play the way town wanted her to play and she was getting hard pushed for it and I yelled at people that they were being dumb so did Schweppes he died eventually they wagoned Rem even as I told them she was obv town she self hammered flipped town. I lost my mason. Like if dis make you cry every time

In the game that shan't be named a similar trend as she didn't care to appear towny and was gimmicking I found her town some bullshit happened blah blah.

Anyways a trend for town Rem. She doesn't care about looking towny. She gets scum read for it unless you analyze her game play deeper. She doesn't like towning and expresses that. She sometimes plays as if she doesn't care about the game probably because she'd rather be wolf BUT even when she's doing that she will play the game she will put out reads. Sometimes you have to look for them. In the game that shan't be named she was gimmick posting but I was able to understand that she was calling certain content wolfy or towny even as others exclaimed she was doing nothing. She was in fact playing the game.

So. How did I arrive at a town read here.

Well one the sincerity of her posting yesterday night when she said that she randed town wasn't excited saw me and got more excited to play. Her entrance and approach to the early game confirms to me that this was real especially how he first post when she realized I was in this game read.

2. She explained that she was drunk on happiness and when I talked to her about that she once again expressed that this game seemed like it was going to be fun which felt sincere and pure to me.

3. She's vibing in thread with me but she is still providing game related content while doing that. This vibes with my understanding of how Rem plays as town as someone who doesn't like towning.

Rem is super towny if she was wolf I think she'd still vibe with me because we are friends but I think she'd be far more invested in the game because she loves wolfing and as far as I'm aware is proud of her wolf game. This is town "I don't give a fuck because I randed town" Rem who's gonna get wrongly pushed because people don't look deep enough at how she's playing.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Literally, can anyone come out of Rem's 110 post ISO with more than 10 posts that are content?

Yes

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

What am I being sincere about?

everything

I need specifics

everything. sorry, im not interested in putting in more effort for this specific line. i dont think that the effort-to-results ratio is efficient for this thing

Well see it is efficient because it helps me find out if you are being sincere or if you're making up a read to town read me because you have tmi

You consistently refusing to answer questions I'd frustrating because it makes it extremely difficult for me to find you.

i find you being sincere about the situation revolving you and rem, defending yourself, your early tunnel of me was typical zenon, but then considering i could be town is the new redemption arc zenon, the progression feels believable to me. also as i said i dont find u to be some godlike wolf that can fake everything. i know how stressed you can get. i dont believe i saw this stress in this thread. essentially these words i just typed out could be summarized to "everything". if i'm mafia ur not going to catch me by cross-examining if i haven't been paying attention to what's been going on in the thread. idk if this answer is more satisfactory to u, but to me, this was just recounting stuff that i've said or implied, but i could be wrong i dunno

I can actually find you by cross examining you because I find this mostly believable far more than "everything"

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Would you mind attempting the Rem Challenge?

yes, sorry. i want to win, but not at the cost of my sanity

You earlier asked me to run multiple D1 ISOs to get caught up. I'm asking for one. I don't want anyone to sacrifice their mental health, but I don't think my ask does that.

i asked you to iso people who have had like 40-50 game relevant posts. i warned you to ignore zenon and rem's posts

ur asking me to specifically look thru shitposting to confirm ur count of 10 game relevant points. this is unimportant sean. i believe u that u counted 10. there is no value in me putting in the effort to confirm there's 10 or if there's 2 more or less

There's more than 10. Also Rem is town.

You show me yours, I'll show you mine.

I slightly messed up where my tabs are at trying to find an earlier post, but aside from those mess ups, I have the posts that I thought were content-ful ready to post. I think the thread needs to see this.

That is waaay to much work on mobile I will lose my mind

[Seanzie]

How you don't see this as a clearly super townie exercise is beyond me. Beyond me by far.

i have no idea why you think so

Tutuu specifically edited out parts of my post (which you all my or may not agree with, but for this exercise it doesn't matter) and posted this.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Let's talk about Rem both as I know her and like as I've experienced her.

I've played with Rem a number of times. The ones that always stick out to me are Mafia League, our first game together, The game that shan't be named and another one that I won't elaborate on.

I'm not fact checking myself but in all these games Rem was town.

In our first game together Rem was playing traditional mafia. Me and her got into it pretty badly. We did not agree on anything big sadness and we got into some pretty heated discussions. I think eventually we found each other but I've mostly forgotten what happened.

However in mafia league the game I remember the most was our 2nd game together where the first thing I did was asked Rem to mason with me before I even had a read there because I wanted to be friends xD but also I quickly realized she was town because she simply did not care about looking town and she did nor try to play the way town wanted her to play and she was getting hard pushed for it and I yelled at people that they were being dumb so did Schweppes he died eventually they wagoned Rem even as I told them she was obv town she self hammered flipped town. I lost my mason. Like if dis make you cry every time

In the game that shan't be named a similar trend as she didn't care to appear towny and was gimmicking I found her town some bullshit happened blah blah.

Anyways a trend for town Rem. She doesn't care about looking towny. She gets scum read for it unless you analyze her game play deeper. She doesn't like towning and expresses that. She sometimes plays as if she doesn't care about the game probably because she'd rather be wolf BUT even when she's doing that she will play the game she will put out reads. Sometimes you have to look for them. In the game that shan't be named she was gimmick posting but I was able to understand that she was calling certain content wolfy or towny even as others exclaimed she was doing nothing. She was in fact playing the game.

So. How did I arrive at a town read here.

Well one the sincerity of her posting yesterday night when she said that she randed town wasn't excited saw me and got more excited to play. Her entrance and approach to the early game confirms to me that this was real especially how he first post when she realized I was in this game read.

2. She explained that she was drunk on happiness and when I talked to her about that she once again expressed that this game seemed like it was going to be fun which felt sincere and pure to me.

3. She's vibing in thread with me but she is still providing game related content while doing that. This vibes with my understanding of how Rem plays as town as someone who doesn't like towning.

Rem is super towny if she was wolf I think she'd still vibe with me because we are friends but I think she'd be far more invested in the game because she loves wolfing and as far as I'm aware is proud of her wolf game. This is town "I don't give a fuck because I randed town" Rem who's gonna get wrongly pushed because people don't look deep enough at how she's playing.

Also she's cute and I <3 her and she's my favorite person to play with. And talking to her in this thread has made me extremely happy and this is the most I've enjoyed a mafia game in a while. She's my fwen.

Does that make her town? Yes

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I now have 25% of the total content in this thread

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Tutuu is actually 175 posting lol I actually don't have that many more posts than her and rem has significantly less but the way we are being portrayed you would think me and Rem had like 3x as much

[Seanzie]

How you don't see this as a clearly super townie exercise is beyond me. Beyond me by far.

i have no idea why you think so

Tutuu specifically edited out parts of my post (which you all my or may not agree with, but for this exercise it doesn't matter) and posted this.

[tutuu]

How you don't see this as a clearly super townie exercise is beyond me. Beyond me by far.

i have no idea why you think so

Tutuu specifically edited out parts of my post (which you all my or may not agree with, but for this exercise it doesn't matter) and posted this.

Because thats the part i was replying to. The rest of ur post doesnt seem relevant unless im misunderstanding what u were saying. Also i care about thread readibility. I want there to be less clutter so people can read more easily

[Seanzie]

How you don't see this as a clearly super townie exercise is beyond me. Beyond me by far.

i have no idea why you think so

Tutuu specifically edited out parts of my post (which you all my or may not agree with, but for this exercise it doesn't matter) and posted this.

Because thats the part i was replying to. The rest of ur post doesnt seem relevant unless im misunderstanding what u were saying. Also i care about thread readibility. I want there to be less clutter so people can read more easily

Weird that somehow... with your consideration about thread readability... only if I happen to know that there is more in my post than what shows up... the meaning is really...

No. I'm going to die soon and this is an actual factual warning. Just no. This back-and-forth is not in full-genuine faith.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I feel like I'm supposed to feel bad for not exclusively try harding and it's mildly upsetting lol

[tutuu]

@Seanzie again, i trust u that u counted them properly. I couldnt care less how many there are. I never thought rem was town via her solving, again. Again, im just choosing to sheep zenon on her atm

I acknowledge that ur scumreading rem due to the low amount of solving post. To me, ur insistence of ppl counting them is ur way of convincing them to vote with u. But again - no, sorry. Im not putting in the effort for that. This isnt even game relevant effort to me. I told u i believe u multiple times. The reason why im not voting rem is coz i townread zenon and trusting her and im not finding u as town. If i was townreading u in this position id be sheeping u

[Seanzie]

@Seanzie again, i trust u that u counted them properly. I couldnt care less how many there are. I never thought rem was town via her solving, again. Again, im just choosing to sheep zenon on her atm

I acknowledge that ur scumreading rem due to the low amount of solving post. To me, ur insistence of ppl counting them is ur way of convincing them to vote with u. But again - no, sorry. Im not putting in the effort for that. This isnt even game relevant effort to me. I told u i believe u multiple times. The reason why im not voting rem is coz i townread zenon and trusting her and im not finding u as town. If i was townreading u in this position id be sheeping u

Everything that you do until the last sentence suggests you know I'm town. Are you willing to go 1-1? Your choice in order.

[tutuu]

@Seanzie again, i trust u that u counted them properly. I couldnt care less how many there are. I never thought rem was town via her solving, again. Again, im just choosing to sheep zenon on her atm

I acknowledge that ur scumreading rem due to the low amount of solving post. To me, ur insistence of ppl counting them is ur way of convincing them to vote with u. But again - no, sorry. Im not putting in the effort for that. This isnt even game relevant effort to me. I told u i believe u multiple times. The reason why im not voting rem is coz i townread zenon and trusting her and im not finding u as town. If i was townreading u in this position id be sheeping u

Everything that you do until the last sentence suggests you know I'm town. Are you willing to go 1-1? Your choice in order.

Often times when i talk to people i talk to them as if theyre town. It saves myself the effort from elaborating ("if youre town") (notice the trend there with me caring about time efficiency?)

I dont struggle with keeping a proper perspective if im mafia, if thats what ur thinking

I have no idea what ur saying with ur last words. Its cracking me up. Maybe u think id be sweating if im mafia and who knows maybe i would be but im just laughing sorry. Not at you ofc, just at the words

[Cape90]

eod is still some time away and there's time for ppl to come and post more, and hopefully post normally

but im not opposed to chopping any one of the people who hasnt given too much normal and readable opinions. as in, understandable. or any opinions at all

i dont think town wins if there's too many of players like that alive at mid game

I'd prefer Zenon over Seanzie in this moment. Zenon is bragging about providing content but the vast majority of it is superfluous.

Seanzie basically looked at the thread and said "fuck this."

I can empathize a little with the latter. I have no tolerance for the former.

Zenon does this pretty often though. Mata wise, it isn't really suspicious though I don't really know the difference between Zenon as scum and Zenon as town as I have found not too much of a difference sometimes

[Seanzie]

@Seanzie again, i trust u that u counted them properly. I couldnt care less how many there are. I never thought rem was town via her solving, again. Again, im just choosing to sheep zenon on her atm

I acknowledge that ur scumreading rem due to the low amount of solving post. To me, ur insistence of ppl counting them is ur way of convincing them to vote with u. But again - no, sorry. Im not putting in the effort for that. This isnt even game relevant effort to me. I told u i believe u multiple times. The reason why im not voting rem is coz i townread zenon and trusting her and im not finding u as town. If i was townreading u in this position id be sheeping u

Everything that you do until the last sentence suggests you know I'm town. Are you willing to go 1-1? Your choice in order.

Often times when i talk to people i talk to them as if theyre town. It saves myself the effort from elaborating ("if youre town") (notice the trend there with me caring about time efficiency?)

I dont struggle with keeping a proper perspective if im mafia, if thats what ur thinking

I have no idea what ur saying with ur last words. Its cracking me up. Maybe u think id be sweating if im mafia and who knows maybe i would be but im just laughing sorry. Not at you ofc, just at the words

I appreciate you not cutting off parts of my quotes this time. I am thunderdoming you. I know you know what this is.

For people in the crowd - yes, I am exerting a lot of thread control by doing this, and if you disagree, there are ways to make that happen, but I really think i'm right, and I'd like this thunderdome to happen in a cordial manner. Explore me vs Tutuu.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

eod is still some time away and there's time for ppl to come and post more, and hopefully post normally

but im not opposed to chopping any one of the people who hasnt given too much normal and readable opinions. as in, understandable. or any opinions at all

i dont think town wins if there's too many of players like that alive at mid game

I'd prefer Zenon over Seanzie in this moment. Zenon is bragging about providing content but the vast majority of it is superfluous.

Seanzie basically looked at the thread and said "fuck this."

I can empathize a little with the latter. I have no tolerance for the former.

Zenon does this pretty often though. Mata wise, it isn't really suspicious though I don't really know the difference between Zenon as scum and Zenon as town as I have found not too much of a difference sometimes

There is a very simple way to read me hold on I will find the quote

[Cape90]

Anyways

TR:

Guillotine
DrWilgy
robyn
Rem

maybe Zenon

SR:

Epignosis
tutuu

And in terms of pyxxy/Seanzie, I will just hold off but I think Seanzie's entrance and exit are more likely to be NAI for him then pyxxy's spread apart 2 posts

Why maybe me?

6. Like I was slightly iffy on Zenon continually posting about wanting to know if there was a postcap, but I was 85% sure that it was a Zenon thing. Rest left no impression on me at that particular point.

Why you no read me Wilgy

I think this is towny though for just being a general towntell.

This is about where I stood on you at the time.

I will say I think I do like later posts from you like

364 in retrospect when it came to you defending Epignosis. I was paranoid by that Robyn read though.
484 is also towny for being combative.

I just generally felt better about townreading Wigly/robyn/Guillo though at the time since I don't tend to read you well.

I always town read robyn early. But like it's based on very little things like I said. Robyn is good at mixing styles together blah blah hard to read blah blah

idk I just think if robyn was mafia they wouldn't play like they have been playing this game. Ironically, they are playing less towny then I would expect them too as town, despite her having towny moments

[Cape90]

i saw you voting him

On a related subject though, how does this help you win more?

working with your townreads is good. trying to be a solo hero rarely works

but what if you are right and they are wrong?

im not confident in pushing any scumread on my own atm, i dont have any, so im not advocating for anyone to listen to me, and im trying to support instead

this is probably a part of why i get scumread, I don't usually like to work with my townreads and like to work independently.

I don't think working independently is scummy if you are still listening to the input of others

you know, I have heard passively a lot about my play "cape is off in his own world".

This is usually a towntell for me unless I am actively trying to confuse town or throw them off the solve or whatever

[Seanzie]

Anyone who says anything right now is auto-cleareed.

[Cape90]

You said you were gonna play more whatever but that doesn't mean your gonna start doubting everything you do so no like not really

as i said i didnt want to play so loose. which means that i dont want to throw out gut reads and trusting them and going with them. i want to try being more consistent. that includes doubting myself. if i dont control myself i can go haywire

Has your loose play been the reason for civilians losing lately? Or has it been something else?

i think that there's a lot of factors. i dont believe that i am exempt of the blame. im doing what i can to remedy this - fixing myself, and trying to fix what i believe others are doing wrong too

okay but what have you been actively doing to help with the ladder here?

[Cape90]

I have approximately 20% of this games content lol

I wouldn't say that.

I mean I would since 100/500 posts is quite literally 20%

Posts =/= content

Can you go through Zenon's ISO and point out four posts with actual content?

technically this is pretty easily possible if you just look.
But you know this is Epignosis suspecting Zenon and not defending right?

[Seanzie]

I have approximately 20% of this games content lol

I wouldn't say that.

I mean I would since 100/500 posts is quite literally 20%

Posts =/= content

Can you go through Zenon's ISO and point out four posts with actual content?

technically this is pretty easily possible if you just look.
But you know this is Epignosis suspecting Zenon and not defending right?

Conclusion?

[Cape90]

I would prefer that you do what you normally do. Honestly, the chart thing? Distracting and unnecessary. Trying to temper yourself? Not helpful.

Go nuts. Be you.

the only thing me going nuts can achieve is making me obvious town. that is nice, but i want to contribute more to mafia games than just be obv town

especially in this game i dont believe there is room for me being a crackhead. not with wilgy, pyxxy, zenon, rem. there needs to be some temperance itt imo

temperance, innit?

In This Thread

Do you have anything more to say? Especially since you have already seemed to comment on something outside of page 1 and seemingly picked out something from a later page to read so

[Cape90]

I have approximately 20% of this games content lol

I wouldn't say that.

I mean I would since 100/500 posts is quite literally 20%

Posts =/= content

Can you go through Zenon's ISO and point out four posts with actual content?

technically this is pretty easily possible if you just look.
But you know this is Epignosis suspecting Zenon and not defending right?

Conclusion?

I don't understand what you are asking me to do here?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Anyways

TR:

Guillotine
DrWilgy
robyn
Rem

maybe Zenon

SR:

Epignosis
tutuu

And in terms of pyxxy/Seanzie, I will just hold off but I think Seanzie's entrance and exit are more likely to be NAI for him then pyxxy's spread apart 2 posts

Why maybe me?

6. Like I was slightly iffy on Zenon continually posting about wanting to know if there was a postcap, but I was 85% sure that it was a Zenon thing. Rest left no impression on me at that particular point.

Why you no read me Wilgy

I think this is towny though for just being a general towntell.

This is about where I stood on you at the time.

I will say I think I do like later posts from you like

364 in retrospect when it came to you defending Epignosis. I was paranoid by that Robyn read though.
484 is also towny for being combative.

I just generally felt better about townreading Wigly/robyn/Guillo though at the time since I don't tend to read you well.

I always town read robyn early. But like it's based on very little things like I said. Robyn is good at mixing styles together blah blah hard to read blah blah

idk I just think if robyn was mafia they wouldn't play like they have been playing this game. Ironically, they are playing less towny then I would expect them too as town, despite her having towny moments

The only off putting thing for me with robyn is like afaik this is her first game in a while and she's kind of like barely here

That's not inherently wolfy though cause I would expect woof robyn to try hard too

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

On a related subject though, how does this help you win more?

working with your townreads is good. trying to be a solo hero rarely works

but what if you are right and they are wrong?

im not confident in pushing any scumread on my own atm, i dont have any, so im not advocating for anyone to listen to me, and im trying to support instead

this is probably a part of why i get scumread, I don't usually like to work with my townreads and like to work independently.

I don't think working independently is scummy if you are still listening to the input of others

you know, I have heard passively a lot about my play "cape is off in his own world".

This is usually a towntell for me unless I am actively trying to confuse town or throw them off the solve or whatever

A lot of players town read players who are "off on an island"

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Anyone who says anything right now is auto-cleareed.

Tu madre

[Seanzie]

I wouldn't say that.

I mean I would since 100/500 posts is quite literally 20%

Posts =/= content

Can you go through Zenon's ISO and point out four posts with actual content?

technically this is pretty easily possible if you just look.
But you know this is Epignosis suspecting Zenon and not defending right?

Conclusion?

I don't understand what you are asking me to do here?

I'm asking you if after taking in information you were able to draw any conclusions based on that information.

Conclusion?

[Cape90]

if i get chopped here, i suggest u all give one final chance to sean tomorrow. chop whoever he tells u to. if he chops a wolf - good. if he chops a town - chop sean d3. i doubt u guys will actually consider this but i think it's a good idea

do you think he is scummy with his recent content?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

You said you were gonna play more whatever but that doesn't mean your gonna start doubting everything you do so no like not really

as i said i didnt want to play so loose. which means that i dont want to throw out gut reads and trusting them and going with them. i want to try being more consistent. that includes doubting myself. if i dont control myself i can go haywire

Has your loose play been the reason for civilians losing lately? Or has it been something else?

i think that there's a lot of factors. i dont believe that i am exempt of the blame. im doing what i can to remedy this - fixing myself, and trying to fix what i believe others are doing wrong too

okay but what have you been actively doing to help with the ladder here?

I just realized what that post said xD

I don't think you can fix others tbh

[Seanzie]

Anyone who says anything right now is auto-cleareed.

Tu madre

If I push the me v Tutuu thunderdome, who will you support atm?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I have approximately 20% of this games content lol

I wouldn't say that.

I mean I would since 100/500 posts is quite literally 20%

Posts =/= content

Can you go through Zenon's ISO and point out four posts with actual content?

technically this is pretty easily possible if you just look.
But you know this is Epignosis suspecting Zenon and not defending right?

Oml someone who doesn't think I'm doing nothing? Impossible.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Anyone who says anything right now is auto-cleareed.

Tu madre

If I push the me v Tutuu thunderdome, who will you support atm?

You. But that gap is increasingly smaller.

[Seanzie]

Anyone who says anything right now is auto-cleareed.

Tu madre

If I push the me v Tutuu thunderdome, who will you support atm?

You. But that gap is increasingly smaller.

Good. Vote Tutuu.

[Cape90]

I mean I would since 100/500 posts is quite literally 20%

Posts =/= content

Can you go through Zenon's ISO and point out four posts with actual content?

technically this is pretty easily possible if you just look.
But you know this is Epignosis suspecting Zenon and not defending right?

Conclusion?

I don't understand what you are asking me to do here?

I'm asking you if after taking in information you were able to draw any conclusions based on that information.

Conclusion?

I was more confused by your prodding of Epignosis as it is a question I would ask someone defending Zenon.

I have already said I slightly TR Zenon for reasons I have already given

535

And as for responding to Epi's sus on Zenon, I have already responded to that with 871

[Cape90]

I am still catching up, I din't know that Epi gave Seanzie essentially a non-answer which is interesting, but I don't think it's scummy

[Cape90]

sean should be held to a high standard. he needs to do more than wrongly scumread me, if he is town. if he doesn't improve what he's doing - he's mafia

never mind I cannot see things

[Cape90]

pyxxy reading the thread but not playing is towny for him. i dont want to encourage him to do it. but i think its towny for him

for him?

I have literally voted pyxxy for this before and accidentally voted him out after just missing an EOD where he actually made content... and then he flipped scum

[Cape90]

at some point i whould gatter enough not w/w reads from you to just lock town me lmao

u currently have 3 so good for u

alright Rem is lock wolf

[Cape90]

im struggling already, i have a gut feeling i already made a wrong read. ill rewind back time. epi wilgy town, sean lean wolf. ignore other reads i made recently. never happened

This is not normal tutuu

Could you tell me more? Please

I have quite literally never seen tutuu display doubt in her ability to read players or in her reads.

Especially on me but also generally.

She's done nothing but show doubt on every single read this game like a wolf afraid to close off options.

I recall tutuu saying they townread you but "they will explain later"

Dunno if they ever did that. My tired eyes are kinda glazing over the thread but im trying to mull over things carefully

[Cape90]

Well I've never claimed my vote to be helpful.

I often find my vote to be very not helpful because what I'm good at is finding town not finding wolfs.

since im town i agree with u there

my vote helped put pressure on u and it led me to find myself townreading u. if im wrongly townreading u - sucks to be me, i made a mistake. but if im right to townread u - looks to me like my vote on u was helpful

okay there is this

I'll turn on my pc to make a read list

You all should be greatful

(Not really but i lik to aay that phrase)

I am quite grateful.

Also, did we play on MU together at some point?

(prime distancing btw)

(this post is gonna bite me in the caboose if Rem flips mafia)

this won't happen this game, so rest in peace (if you are town)

Rem wants me to RIP if I'm town. Outed scum.

i see im not the only person who jokingly said this.

Spoiler: show

Talk to me about your Epi read. Why is he town, what posts have stood out to you the most?

probably slightly towny for epi. but he fooled me last time he was mafia so i need to be careful

What do you look for when you are finding me as mafia?

i dont have any tells for you

you writing those two posts back to back, seemingly logically contradicting each other, in a non-chalant way, is something that ive seen villagers do more often than wolves

and this big post

Let me work through this to be more specific so everyone can see what I'm seeing:

Eh I didn't wanna get srs until I get back but alright

Robyn - I liked their "having too many posts" post. Certain early posts from what I recall also seemed fine.

Tutuu - I liked their hypothetical thing post on robyn. I slightly dislike the "this is not w/w" reads they are making.

Epignosis - I could see the aggressiveness as a double edged sword, especially with the Robyn thing.

Rem - tonally okay but that's where my opinions end.

Zenon - Probably my strongest wolf inclination right now and that's not saying much because like... Meh?

Rest of ppl haven't talked enough for an impression to be made

There's an immediate need to appease here. If I'm bowling, I'm not checking my phone for mafia, and if I am, I'm telling you, "I'm bowling. Piss off." Bowling is serious business.

But let's say I'm wrong and Cape is cool about playing mafia while bowling. There's enough time between frames, sure.

Eh I didn't wanna get srs until I get back but alright

So let's get serious.

Robyn - I liked their "having too many posts" post. Certain early posts from what I recall also seemed fine.

I saw the "having too many posts" post and don't understand what is likable about it. The second sentence is riddled with weasel words and phrases. "Certain?" (WHICH? If they are certain, you can name them. You didn't.) "from what I recall" (this gives you an avenue of "misremembering" later) "seemed fine" ("seemed" is another weasel word. Is it fine or isn't it?)

Tutuu - I liked their hypothetical thing post on robyn. I slightly dislike the "this is not w/w" reads they are making.

Hedging. An adverb accompanies the hedging. Again, no explanation accompanies the slightly disliking.

Epignosis - I could see the aggressiveness as a double edged sword, especially with the Robyn thing.

You "could see." Weasel phrase. You either see or you don't. You're not taking a stance on me.

Rem - tonally okay but that's where my opinions end.

Hedging.

Zenon - Probably my strongest wolf inclination right now and that's not saying much because like... Meh?

So close. You had an opinion here and then you gave ellipses with nothing after.

Rest of ppl haven't talked enough for an impression to be made

To reiterate:

You are almost certainly mafia.

he also seems to be consensus townread by multiple people except cape omgusing him so i feel calm towncoring epi

@falcon45ca

@Seanzie for epi. falcon in next post

I'd appreciate if you write a new post for me, not just quoting old stuff. Explain in your own words right now your read on Epi. Keep in mind that I know scum!epi does big walls, and I'm fairly certain you've seen this too.

@tutuu I want to be clear, I want to hear your words, not Epi's. I know you can talk. Please do so.

you are not reading carefully are you, tutuu talked RIGHT THERE about why they were townreading Epi for those posts.

So here is my smash or pass list for day 1

DISCLAIMER: I have never been and will never be a good day 1 player as town because it's the faction that I dislike the most and my day 1 reads are based on tone and meta if it can be applied

Zenon Tier

SMASH:Towns
DrWilgy
Cape90

Both of these slots seem honest and have good tone for me

I mean, we can kiss I guess:Town leans
robyn
Guillotine
Seanzie

tone seems fine but they haven't done anything to stand out on my townieradar and with this I mean, nothing effort wise or to make a stand about what they think, just quewstions, some jokes or banter

Mid:Neutral
pyxxy
falcon45ca

I don't remember or felt anything from these slots that gave me an stand about them

PASS:Scummies
Epignosis
tutuu

Epi sounded the worst from their interaction with Cape, re-reading earlier today it COULD be villa on villa violence but if there's scum between this 2 I think it would be Epi

Tuttu, maybe comes weird too me because I tend to scum read too much effort or "coldness and strategy" in gameplay day 1 as scummy for people I haven't played with, but I'm going to sheep that zenon says this is not "normal tuttu" and keep my vote there for the time being

I am okay with any of the bottom 4 going over today



In times like this our capacity to retaliate must be and has to be massive to detter all forms of agression.

lock and load.

I do like this readslist from Rem. Maybe dropping Seanzie? I would have to meta dive whenever I feel like it

[Cape90]

Again, I'd like to see a new post, in your own words please.

i didnt think wolf falcon had the guts to do that

Waiting to hear from you on Epi. I'd prefer more than one sentence. You've had more than enough time to develop a read on Epi for more than one sentence, considering how strongly you townread them and how many people scumread you two as a team.

If you aren't a team, prove it to me with a nuanced read. You can quote to support your reads, but I want to see YOUR words, fresh and new from now. Analyze, and let me know what you think.

Okay, wanting more nuanced takes is acceptable, but I am also feeling a bit iffy on how I feel on you saying this but then having not that many super in depth reads yourself

659 is pretty barebones in terms of his read on Epi and his treatment of the Zenon thing.

Did you notice Epi doing that sort of thing he did with me though?

-snippet-

...There's an immediate need to appease here. If I'm bowling, I'm not checking my phone for mafia, and if I am, I'm telling you, "I'm bowling. Piss off." Bowling is serious business....

Or like having that mentality, you know? This is just something I noticed.

Anyways

sean townlean due to imo tmi'd by wolf. at least 1 out of {robyn, wilgy, falcon, cape}, potentially others too, zenon?. alternatively sean wolf and ??? villagers for not scumreading his scummy entry

I don't accept this post.

[VOTE: Tutuu.] aubergine

this too

but it seems like... after this post you seem to pick up the steam with

Again, I'd like to see a new post, in your own words please.

i didnt think wolf falcon had the guts to do that

Waiting to hear from you on Epi. I'd prefer more than one sentence. You've had more than enough time to develop a read on Epi for more than one sentence, considering how strongly you townread them and how many people scumread you two as a team.

If you aren't a team, prove it to me with a nuanced read. You can quote to support your reads, but I want to see YOUR words, fresh and new from now. Analyze, and let me know what you think.

apart from what i quoted, i digged his guts going at cape, was a pretty big case. i havent seen him go that much on the offense as mafia. nothing he did later made me doubt it. him showing paranoia at me looked good when i silently sheeped his vote on u. then his annoyance at zenon's posts also felt like an annoyed townie to me. this townread has been echoed by multiple people - at least it was until u one of rem/zenon started being more vocal about a scumread there. despite that i still have him as town, i struggle to see him as mafia here. but ofc i could be wrong

Yes, ofc you could be wrong.

I am not 100% sure how to read Epi off this, but based on my push on Tutuu about their reads on Epi and Falcon, while Tutuu is normally full of words (sometimes relevant, sometimes not), here they were quiet, minimalistic and on point. The final post they produced is not bad - persay, but it does not ring Tutuu, and I don't feel good about how they engaged with me throughout this - every time I pushed them, they were willing to give, but only the bare minimum.

I currently truly think Tutuu is scum.

So it probably isn't as strong of a point as I thought it was against you.

[Cape90]

@tutuu I want to be clear, I want to hear your words, not Epi's. I know you can talk. Please do so.

"you writing those two posts back to back, seemingly logically contradicting each other, in a non-chalant way, is something that ive seen villagers do more often than wolves"

(there is no point in me repeating the same past read with synonymous words, that doesn't do anything)

but i didnt elaborate on his big post at cape

his big aggro post at cape was just satisfactory for me. im not interested in talking like a car salesman right now. it was big, it was aggro, he seemed like a villa who thought he caught a wolf. good enough for me at that time

Man I do this and I don't get townread for it this easily

In fact I remember doing this to pyxxy when I was scum and he was town and got called out HARD for powerwolfing