WORLD TOUR MAFIA II: JAPAN [DAY FIVE]

[gims]

idk what michelle's role is lmfao

[MacDougall]

As he SLAMS in a vote on [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine the children are woken by sighs of extreme pleasure. This is sure to come up in some counsellor's room at a later date.

[gims]

idk what michelle's role is lmfao

this is me asking btw

[GoSpursGo]

idk what michelle's role is lmfao

this is me asking btw

Spy. Each night she targets and there's an equal chance of kill/roleblock/silence

[pyxxy]

Also pyxxy, you’re gonna have to explain the Dubz thing to me.

DrWilgy
Voters: None

Dubz
Voters: Duelist Mirage, Trekkie99

Duelist Mirage
Voters: Michelle, Long Con, leetic, Epignosis

Epignosis
Voters: jess

Gims
Voters: None

GoSpursGo
Voters: None

Jess
Voters: None

leetic
Voters: Dubz

Long Con
Voters: None

MacDougall
Voters: None

Michelle
Voters: None

NicoleandDime
Voters: Vivax, nutella, GoSpursGo, gims, DrWilgy, Scotty, Tranq

Nutella
Voters: None

Porscha
Voters: MacDougall

Pyxxy
Voters: None

RondoDimBuckle
Voters: pyxxy

Scotty
Voters: None

Tranq
Voters: None

Trekkie99
Voters: None

Vivax
Voters: NicoleAndDime

Trekkie:

Spoiler: show

too agreeable. Duelist’s post here also feels timid

Well I am contrarian to the scum!Nicole theory. Also I couldn't think of a better gif (as in gift, not jiffy) in reaction to DM but the sentiment is true

Gun to head I would vote IHNI ayyyyyy gottem
It would not be DM or Nicole I know that buuuuuuuuut at the same time I could see the angle on either of them but I don’t wanna cause they’re the only players I can actually read, and I mean that as presently in this game and not just in general

Gun to head I would vote IHNI ayyyyyy gottem
It would not be DM or Nicole I know that buuuuuuuuut at the same time I could see the angle on either of them but I don’t wanna cause they’re the only players I can actually read, and I mean that as presently in this game and not just in general

This phrasing -.-
They‘re the ones you can read but if you could read them mafia you wouldn’t because they‘re the ones you can read.

Seems like a circlejerk argumentation.

Sorry for the run-on.
Yes pretty much that. But in between town reading them and not wanting to scum read them, I can see a world where they could be mafia.
It’s like they’re on a scale that’s close to being level, and it could lean towards scum, but I think (along with my previously stated bias) it leans town.

But like how the scale is metaphorical, the scum DM and/or Nicole world is theoretical. In reality, I think this a town world

Noting that trekkie was one of the few nicole defenders. It was quite direct...certainly something I would do for a packmate, not sure trekkie in particular would be so inclined. Maybe @Duelist Mirage can weigh in since they seem familiar?

Spoiler: show

nicole as well? can you walk me through it?

I was also feeling positive about Nicole's early posting, so Trekkie being there too (I checked) was a good sign IMO.

DM was also defending nicole, I think my macro read is still town based on other stuff though.

[pyxxy]

idk what michelle's role is lmfao

this is me asking btw

[spoilers removed]
Michelle is TOWN

Their role is: Spy - You will target someone each night and poison them. There is an equal chance that they will be silenced, blocked, or killed.

[GoSpursGo]

I targeted Pixxy FRT

If it hits someone else it's not my doing

Michelle used her ability on you. You're clearly not silenced or dead, so you were likely roleblocked. Unless the Bus Driver switched Michelle's target.

I am, for my own sanity, assuming that a town redirector would not choose to redirect the action of a confirmed town player.

A woman loses her purse as she crosses and her loose makeup rolls out onto the pavement. This upsets me. But anyway, the clattering makes the sound of ‘Obviously Michelle was talking about last night. But a good bus driver should have switched her with someone else since mafia can just maneuver you for free.

I don’t really know how the redirectors work in that if they all target the same person, does it trigger whoever targeted latest? Does that supercede the bus drive? Priorities are an unknown

The town redirectors target two players, and if the first player is targeting someone then the first player’s target instead becomes the redirector’s second targeted player.

So basically a town redirectors target should never target confirmed town. Unless I guess you were trying to mess with the bus driver, but again my brain shuts off at that point because sanity

[GoSpursGo]

Obviously Michelle was talking about last night. But a good bus driver should have switched her with someone else since mafia can just maneuver you for free.

I don’t really know how the redirectors work in that if they all target the same person, does it trigger whoever targeted latest? Does that supercede the bus drive? Priorities are an unknown

Probably fart

Actually I assume typo for “ftr,” or “for the record”

[gims]

I dont think pyxxy is a wolf

[nutella]

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

yeah sure

[gims]

eyeing LC and leetic atm, yes.

I'll consider dubz and the things pyxxy is saying (not sure if they actually follow or if pyxxy is being uncharitable with dubz atm) when I'm back from things or tomorrow morning

[gims]

if nutella can townpost a little that will help me not get paranoid but idk if thats important for the thread at large, i just have no memory and no confidence

[nutella]

sorry i have like zero motivation to put effort into this game

if im still alive later game and it gets harder i can try more but as long as we are voting off mafia without having to think im gonna do that

[Scotty]

I targeted Pixxy FRT

If it hits someone else it's not my doing

Michelle used her ability on you. You're clearly not silenced or dead, so you were likely roleblocked. Unless the Bus Driver switched Michelle's target.

I am, for my own sanity, assuming that a town redirector would not choose to redirect the action of a confirmed town player.

A woman loses her purse as she crosses and her loose makeup rolls out onto the pavement. This upsets me. But anyway, the clattering makes the sound of ‘Obviously Michelle was talking about last night. But a good bus driver should have switched her with someone else since mafia can just maneuver you for free.

I don’t really know how the redirectors work in that if they all target the same person, does it trigger whoever targeted latest? Does that supercede the bus drive? Priorities are an unknown

The town redirectors target two players, and if the first player is targeting someone then the first player’s target instead becomes the redirector’s second targeted player.

So basically a town redirectors target should never target confirmed town. Unless I guess you were trying to mess with the bus driver, but again my brain shuts off at that point because sanity

A pigeon squawks high above me:
“The latter part is what I’m referring to- say bus driver switches Michelle and Player B, then redirector picks Michelle onto Player C, is it then player B onto player C? I don’t know how this helps solve except that with this many fuckiteedoodah roles, there has to be some order with how those are resolved.

Don’t even get me started on if BOTH redirectors target the same first target- does only the second redirector go into effect?”

AKA

[Scotty]

I dont think pyxxy is a wolf

Businessman #325 looks on stoically at the light change. He seems to think: “
I do

Expanding the POE to Dubz and then also not answering why he brought in Wilgy does nothing to dissuade me. I just don’t buy it.”

Then he is gone, home presumably? What a life you plebs live

[gims]

Ok I read through that dubz post and pyxxy is being quite ubcharitable

I also do think that dubz post is towny

[pyxxy]

I dont think pyxxy is a wolf

Businessman #325 looks on stoically at the light change. He seems to think: “
I do

Expanding the POE to Dubz and then also not answering why he brought in Wilgy does nothing to dissuade me. I just don’t buy it.”

Then he is gone, home presumably? What a life you plebs live

[pyxxy]

I dont think pyxxy is a wolf

Businessman #325 looks on stoically at the light change. He seems to think: “
I do

Expanding the POE to Dubz and then also not answering why he brought in Wilgy does nothing to dissuade me. I just don’t buy it.”

Then he is gone, home presumably? What a life you plebs live

[pyxxy]

[Scotty]

I dont think pyxxy is a wolf

Businessman #325 looks on stoically at the light change. He seems to think: “
I do

Expanding the POE to Dubz and then also not answering why he brought in Wilgy does nothing to dissuade me. I just don’t buy it.”

Then he is gone, home presumably? What a life you plebs live

PIYO PIYO

no, I’m sorry friend. I do enjoy your posting. It is unique and I’m glad to have you around.

I just think you’re breaking wind on my street. Leave that to the professionals (the actual wind)

[GoSpursGo]

Day 3 VC on 9/30/26 at 1800 EDT

leetic (1) - gims
Long Con (3) - DM, Mac, nutella
DM () -
pyxxy (3) - Tranq, Spurs, Scotty
dubz (1) -pyxxy


8/17

Leading: pyxxy and Long Con
Missing: Just over half

Vote closes on 10/2/26 at 0430 EDT (~34h)

[Michelle]

I targeted Pixxy FRT

If it hits someone else it's not my doing

Michelle used her ability on you. You're clearly not silenced or dead, so you were likely roleblocked. Unless the Bus Driver switched Michelle's target.

I am, for my own sanity, assuming that a town redirector would not choose to redirect the action of a confirmed town player.

I meant last night i am illiterate in English
My bad

Back to sleep

@GoSpursGo i wouldnt mind if town would redirect my action, it's obv mafia would try to derail or block it.

[Michelle]

Obviously Michelle was talking about last night. But a good bus driver should have switched her with someone else since mafia can just maneuver you for free.

I don’t really know how the redirectors work in that if they all target the same person, does it trigger whoever targeted latest? Does that supercede the bus drive? Priorities are an unknown

Probably fart

Actually I assume typo for “ftr,” or “for the record”

This is correct i was busy when I wrote that post

I didn't think the redirector can mess up that bad

[GoSpursGo]

I targeted Pixxy FRT

If it hits someone else it's not my doing

Michelle used her ability on you. You're clearly not silenced or dead, so you were likely roleblocked. Unless the Bus Driver switched Michelle's target.

I am, for my own sanity, assuming that a town redirector would not choose to redirect the action of a confirmed town player.

I meant last night i am illiterate in English
My bad

Back to sleep

@GoSpursGo i wouldnt mind if town would redirect my action, it's obv mafia would try to derail or block it.

I'm just saying that it's not obvious to me that a redirector would prevent the mafia from derailing/blocking you, depending on order of operations. It's probably better for a redirector to target people in the POE and try to redirect the bus driver directly

[Dubz]

Crashes into the thread like it's an expensive high rise

RAAAAWWWWWRRRRRR

I see people are interested in LC today! Maybe I can redeem myself!

PS I have read nothing except host posts, hopefully will return a bit later tonight to be more useful. I make no promises though, I am but a very, very giant salamander, and we are not known for our intellect.

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

[GoSpursGo]

@gims leetic D1

Spoiler: show

Thread is indeed boring, but I'll [VOTE: nutella] aubergine simply because it's easy to say the thread is boring without doing anything about it

sorry i wont really be available to play until tomorrow (real-life time). the mafia better start quaking in their boots bcuz once im free it's gonna be sooooo over for them

Admittedly, this post doesn't look good either. Just say you'll be unavailable, no need to LARP about how the wolves would totally be destroyed right now if you were around

Been working on grad school application stuff so I've been a bit busy. I do like nutella and jess's more recent posts but Epi's progression feels super lame.

I do agree with this

But I also think he is an easy mark

[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

WTF is this post? If I'm wolfy for making that post what does it say about you for agreeing with it? [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Anyway still catching up

And yeah GoSpursGo's reasons for voting me don't look great. Don't want to continue too much on this train of thought since I know it's an easy way to get confbiased but the last time I played a game here like half the wolves outed themselves by going after me for no reason

gims is apparently the third most prolific poster yet I can't remember anything from their posts

@GoSpursGo if you tell me about your leetic vote I'll spare your house when I go rampaging through the city

Doesn't look like a partner interaction but I don't feel very good about this either way. Why do you trust Spurs so much Dubz?

I don't immediately see interactions w/ Nicole or Trek, but instead shading nutella, jess, Scotty, gims, dubz, and me. Pushing people that are now town-read is not inherently wolfy, but leetic gave some thoughts on a number of players and happened to avoid having thoughts on the two flipped wolves. Also spent a decent amount of time OMGUS-ing players who were scum-reading them, which is relevant for...

Spoiler: show

I guess looking through Nicole's ISO it's really empty, like do they have a single game-related interaction with someone besides me?

<3 Though I wish we met in the ring

[VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

Could you explain your vote rationale a bit?
Switching from the one I was scumreading (Tranq) to me seems contextually a bit odd.
Would you define your votes as meaningful?

I'm sheeping spurs because they r very towny.
I also liked Tranq's reasoning for their post.

Not really meaningful I don't feel super strongly on most people but I generally try to use my vote when able day 1.

well I think I'm down to just trusting vivax, scotty and tranq

honestly want to townread duelist but her multiball point + approach to me felt jumpy yesterday so I'm backing off from townreading her for now

her leetic vote seems fine tho

nutella is finding her footing still which is pair of the course for her towngame but its early and she becomes obvious later on so im holding onto that

still not really feeling nicole, i guess her leetic sus is okay but she is reminding me a bit of an old scumgame of hers

game too large and i dont have many townreads

push comes to shove im sheeping scotty and maybe nutella if i feel good abt it

DM feels super town imo.
I super get the antsiness over the anticlaim stuff and this is town!DM besides it

I guess there's these two posts, but nothing is super well explained

...the fact that Nicole was also pushing leetic. Why was Nicole immune to leetic's OMGUS until she was a wagon ~4.5h before EOD?

Spoiler: show

I don't hate the Nicole wagon but I'm always wary of wagons that get so far ahead of all the others so early into the game

I'm not really feeling the two "counterwagons" all that much either. Rondo just has too little posts for me to care much about that slot. Mainly switching to [VOTE: Duelist Mirage] aubergine because of their vote history having an opportunistic vote on me then switching to another popular wagon (Rondo) that was unlikely to defend themselves but I'll have to dig deeper

I also think it's typically better to have an actual counterwagon regardless since if there's only one real wagon and they flip town there's not really a lot we can get from VCA

[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

I suppose it's possible that Epi does actually need pressure to do things that could be readable

I don't know how the hell we're actually supposed to do that with the short deadlines here though

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Here we go again?

I think Epi is a miss, strictly because I don’t trust Mac who is currently voting there, and he is not a worthwhile flip at this juncture

I don't really disagree (other than maybe about Mac? it was the early Vivax townread that I liked from him, I checked)

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

It's gotta work someday?

This is one of the vote progressions of all time

^^^Then as the Nicole wagon is picking up, leetic is trying everything to push the wagon to DM, who I don't see leetic had expressed sus on previously until again Nicole was a wagon close to EOD. The post explaining that the DM vote is at least partly about having a counterwagon being important also feels kind of like an overexplaining thing that a wolf might do to justify their vote.

I'll do D2 and D3 thus far later. Like, I'm probably not being fair because I was sussing leetic hard on D1, but I could absolutely see this as w/w interaction where Nicole was bussing a packmate that she thought was going over.

[GoSpursGo]

...the fact that Nicole was also pushing leetic. Why was Nicole immune to leetic's OMGUS until she was a wagon ~4.5h before EOD?

Important point--I have yet to look at the Nicole side of this interaction for D1, so I am not sure how the interaction looked from Nicole's side and if it would make sense for leetic to OMGUS her, given that Nicole didn't vote leetic until later in the day

Going to taekwondo and will look a little more later

[Duelist Mirage]

Because the toppings is quite… unique, and could potentially be used to narrow down the possibility of who sent it. I guess the main reason to try and figure out who sent it is that it could give a soft green check to someone and help our redirectors avoid targeting them. The downside is it also narrows the pool of players that could get vanilla-sized and helps mafia figure out to hunt PRs elsewhere

I still have no idea how to narrow down who sent it based on the toppings lol, but I'm not all that worried about mafia getting to narrow down PRs, seems most of the PRs are going to be of dubious value at this point. And taking one person out of a pool doesn't really change the odds much with a pool this big and I don't know how they refine it any more from there (and that's coming from someone who's pretty good at picking up on role implications).

I’m voting you because you’re a good player who on the surface has been voting with the wolves. And the whole glib “gosh I guess I just have to keep voting everywhere except the wolves, it keeps working out!” thing is cute, but the kind of deflection I worry a wolf would do. So I heard what gims said about not thinking it’s you, but I would like to hear from you directly about why it’s not you.

I know you've moved on from this for now but I'll touch on it and reiterate that I don't much like playing wolf, and am very burned out on it right now, on top of various other outside factors that have been getting me down recently. While I have managed to significantly push up the upper boundary of my wolf range in the last year or so (and thus actually earned gims' constant paranoia whereas before it was just silly ), it takes the right set of circumstances for me to be able to actually reach it. Most notably, I need confidence in my team being able to hold their own so we can power through the game quickly- I am not a busser, I have no confidence in my late game (literally never have I successfully endgamed after the few occasions where I've bussed a teammate). If I rolled into this game and had Trekkie (with whom I did indeed recently roll wolf right here) and Nicole as buddies getting heat right at the start of the game, my morale would be even more in the toilet than it already would've been from looking at my role and the playerlist and I'd basically just fold up and expect to lose the game and just go through the motions rather than expend lots of my limited time and effort in a doomed struggle in those circumstances. I'm certainly not showing up in the middle of the night trying to get a handle on the day's final actions!

I know that's basically self-meta, even if I expect gims to agree with it, so also consider: what the heck is my strategy here supposed to be as a wolf? I'm not exactly making myself look good being off the wolf flips, but I'm not exactly doing much to stop them from happening either. Unless Mac is also a buddy, surely I could have tried to power through the Mac wagon if I'm Trekkie's buddy instead of just blinking at it going "shrug, I don't care too much but I'm kinda not feeling it?" and hanging out on small wagons that are very unlikely to go anywhere? It's the worst of both worlds for a wolf, isn't it? And one that I in particular would be trying to avoid, were I somehow feeling enough spirit to be trying as much as I have been.

[Epignosis]

well. i mean.

idk if epig is scummy. idk how to read epig. he is... different this game. but idk. can someone scumcase him in a way that isnt just POE?

How dare you! I am the scummiest scumbag to ever walk the- !

Ahem. Don't know where that came from. Pardon me.

What I meant to say was that if anybody cared to pay attention, I'm clearly not mafia. I believe I have participated as optimally as I could have given my circumstances, and I am fully satisfied with my performance.

[Duelist Mirage]

I want to townbin DM but there's something in her posting that makes me never really trust myself with doing so

I think perhaps the split giving you uncertainty here is related to how we're coming at solving this somewhat differently for some reason. You've been actually scumhunting more than usual instead of just townhunting, and I'm just not managing that this game. I've got a nice list of where I don't expect to find wolves but narrowing it down further is more difficult. And you've not been around too much to talk with (or really even very interested in talking to me).

[Duelist Mirage]

I can try to get through that later. But like, I'm seeing what people are saying, but I also have a hard time believing that we're so GOATed this game that we twice found a wolf to wagon, after moving off of a different wolf wagon. It just seems more likely that leetic was their misyeet bait.

It can certainly happen. The first game I played here, town just flipped wolves every day and won the 21-player game in 5 days flat. Holding to a towncore and not jumping to get paranoid that things are going too easily can do that.

[Duelist Mirage]

A woman loses her purse as she crosses and her loose makeup rolls out onto the pavement. This upsets me. But anyway, the clattering makes the sound of ‘Obviously Michelle was talking about last night. But a good bus driver should have switched her with someone else since mafia can just maneuver you for free.

I don’t really know how the redirectors work in that if they all target the same person, does it trigger whoever targeted latest? Does that supercede the bus drive? Priorities are an unknown

I'm not sure how much I want to elaborate on the topic but I think Michelle actually getting targeted by the bus driver, as it seems perhaps she was given Rondo's presumptive silencing, is perhaps even more evidence that we're working a pretty good POE, as mafia trying to move her target somewhere else suggests they feel reasonably threatened by it?

And I have no damn clue how that targeting mess would resolve and I'm too tired to even try to think about it and if I thought it mattered I'd ask the mod

[Duelist Mirage]

Trekkie:

Spoiler: show

too agreeable. Duelist’s post here also feels timid

Well I am contrarian to the scum!Nicole theory. Also I couldn't think of a better gif (as in gift, not jiffy) in reaction to DM but the sentiment is true

Gun to head I would vote IHNI ayyyyyy gottem
It would not be DM or Nicole I know that buuuuuuuuut at the same time I could see the angle on either of them but I don’t wanna cause they’re the only players I can actually read, and I mean that as presently in this game and not just in general

Gun to head I would vote IHNI ayyyyyy gottem
It would not be DM or Nicole I know that buuuuuuuuut at the same time I could see the angle on either of them but I don’t wanna cause they’re the only players I can actually read, and I mean that as presently in this game and not just in general

This phrasing -.-
They‘re the ones you can read but if you could read them mafia you wouldn’t because they‘re the ones you can read.

Seems like a circlejerk argumentation.

Sorry for the run-on.
Yes pretty much that. But in between town reading them and not wanting to scum read them, I can see a world where they could be mafia.
It’s like they’re on a scale that’s close to being level, and it could lean towards scum, but I think (along with my previously stated bias) it leans town.

But like how the scale is metaphorical, the scum DM and/or Nicole world is theoretical. In reality, I think this a town world

Noting that trekkie was one of the few nicole defenders. It was quite direct...certainly something I would do for a packmate, not sure trekkie in particular would be so inclined. Maybe @Duelist Mirage can weigh in since they seem familiar?

Spoiler: show

nicole as well? can you walk me through it?

I was also feeling positive about Nicole's early posting, so Trekkie being there too (I checked) was a good sign IMO.

DM was also defending nicole, I think my macro read is still town based on other stuff though.

I did kind of blink at being asked to weigh in on the subject, because I already had done so!

Dubz, why did you want me specifically to weigh in? What made you think I'm familar with Trekkie?

[Duelist Mirage]

I dont think pyxxy is a wolf

Businessman #325 looks on stoically at the light change. He seems to think: “
I do

Expanding the POE to Dubz and then also not answering why he brought in Wilgy does nothing to dissuade me. I just don’t buy it.”

Then he is gone, home presumably? What a life you plebs live

Is that an expansion? Is Dubz not in your POE? Why not? I'm too tired to look and see if you talked about her before, sorry

[gims]

we're coming at solving this somewhat differently for some reason. You've been actually scumhunting more than usual instead of just townhunting

well, two things

1) youve been heavily relying on mech and youre doing it very hard and since very early so I agree we're solving it differently, but otoh I don't know if I see the point to relying on mech when we've been coming to such little when it comes to conclusions. its all conjectures, really, at this point. tho I do appreciate us knowing in what world we live in and whatnot.

2) I have townhunted a lot. I've a 8-12 towncore depending on my mood and im coming to kind of a tight POE. I'm scumhunting heavily inside of that POE so trying to parse the folks there.

I am quite active also for the past day or so. but I agree youre probably town, I'm not interested in touching your slot until I know the POE is incorrect.

[Duelist Mirage]

^^^Then as the Nicole wagon is picking up, leetic is trying everything to push the wagon to DM, who I don't see leetic had expressed sus on previously until again Nicole was a wagon close to EOD. The post explaining that the DM vote is at least partly about having a counterwagon being important also feels kind of like an overexplaining thing that a wolf might do to justify their vote.

I'll do D2 and D3 thus far later. Like, I'm probably not being fair because I was sussing leetic hard on D1, but I could absolutely see this as w/w interaction where Nicole was bussing a packmate that she thought was going over.

You are making me seriously consider leetic again. TBH I remember being pinged by Nicole saying "I could vote leetic" earlier, it made me curious why she didn't just do so then. It does sorta feel like distancing in hopes that it won't come to actually having to vote, looking back now. If leetic is the athlete the wolves could've been sitting decently confident still early in the evening when Nicole left and "voted" leetic, they just needed to get a few more votes on someone like me as wagons were all just quite small. Like perhaps those votes by Long Con and leetic. Though I guess that was after Nicole was the newfangled runaway wagon, wasn't it? Hm guess I should look back at that

[Duelist Mirage]

1) youve been heavily relying on mech and youre doing it very hard and since very early so I agree we're solving it differently, but otoh I don't know if I see the point to relying on mech when we've been coming to such little when it comes to conclusions. its all conjectures, really, at this point. tho I do appreciate us knowing in what world we live in and whatnot.

I'm not heavily relying on mech, I'm just parsing what's there to parse. I can't help it, I just work that way, I always want to know what I can so I can try to evaluate what's going on as best I can and maybe find some advantages. Or get accused of having TMI I don't think there's going to be a lot more to be done with it, but then again I did look at it all at the start of the game and expected to have to treat this like a bastard game where everything was in doubt, except it all just started resolving nicely into a manageable world once we got a little flip information, so maybe there will yet be more to learn once we whittle things down more.

2) I have townhunted a lot. I've a 8-12 towncore depending on my mood and im coming to kind of a tight POE. I'm scumhunting heavily inside of that POE so trying to parse the folks there.

I am quite active also for the past day or so. but I agree youre probably town, I'm not interested in touching your slot until I know the POE is incorrect.

Yeah

Don't mind me, just feeling kind of sad and isolated

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Vote pyxxy] aubergine

[GoSpursGo]

@gims

Nicole-->leetic. TBH... I'm not as convinced that this is super pairing

sorry i wont really be available to play until tomorrow (real-life time). the mafia better start quaking in their boots bcuz once im free it's gonna be sooooo over for them

Admittedly, this post doesn't look good either. Just say you'll be unavailable, no need to LARP about how the wolves would totally be destroyed right now if you were around

Disagree, that kind of statement is +town

Its neutral but I don't feel great about leetic going after it.

This is the second read-ish thing that Nicole does, about 12h into d1 when leetic has no votes. The very first read Nicole made was scum-reading Tranq and voting, then changing their mind based on origami. At this point Nicole was sheeping me on vivax, but went out of their way to hedge on that read. Between this and the next post, Nicole town-reads DM, and that's basically it for content. Chat, do we think that one of the two scum reads that Nicole makes is to cast shade on a packmate who was basically getting no shade at the time?

I'll probably jump on leetic wagon if nothing changes? Dont have much access to the game tonight but will be back before deadline

At this point she was still on vivax, and while leetic is in the lead the wagons were close, like 3-2-2 with 2 votes on vivax and Rondo. Again, it doesn't seem like there's a real need to bury her packmate at this point, unless Nicole is just a shameless busser.

Yeah leetic is feeling survivalistic here and I don't really like them just bemoaning the wagon on them. I actually feel quite a bit better about this wagon than earlier.

[VOTE: Leetic ] aubergine

Anyway gotta bounce for rest of day prolly, maybe can check in once more in like an hour.

This is her vote on leetic, breaking a tie to make it 5-4 leetic vs. Epig. Again, Epig seemed very in play, and leetic was the one player she had gone out of her way to cast shade at throughout the day. Maybe she felt incentivized to "do something" because nutella was asking around this time to bring back the Nicole was in play, and maybe she felt the need to choose leetic because it was the only slot that she had laid the groundwork for voting, but... idk.

I think you could easily confbias yourself to see this any way you want. It could be distancing followed by bussing, or it could be an earnest attempt at a miselim.

I think it looked worse from leetic's side.

[Duelist Mirage]

I am going to once again point out that Nicole did not actually vote leetic, she just said she did. Per the rules, votes should be made in both the poll and in thread to count, so her last valid vote should be the Vivax one reflected still in the poll because it was cast in both places.

[GoSpursGo]

@gims leetic's N1 into D2:

Mostly initially focuses on some mech talk and some back and forth with vivax was still scum-reading leetic. TBH, I'm a sucker for wagonomics analysis, but I like leetic's analysis here.

Vote gims about 12 hours into the cycle, which I mentioned at the time as being a very hard push for scum to do.

Then isn't around until EOD, and finally mentions Trek ~3 hours before EOD. Notably, they are absolutely burying Trek, which is in contrast to what they did to Nicole:

Spoiler: show

Looking at the wagons, Trekkie's ISO is overall bleh. Mac's posting seems chaotic lately and I'm not sure what to make of his sharp rise in postcount after he started gaining scrutiny (also, did he really claim ITP?)

[VOTE: Trekkie] aubergine for now because looking through their ISO in their most recent 50 posts they have like one half of an actual read and I felt Nicole's ISO was similarly shallow.

A wolf team that didn't want to rock the boat at all would explain the outcome of D1

Also Trekkie never mentioned Dubz before or after voting them as far as I can tell? At most, he quoted a pyxxy post that quoted a Dubz post. Wonder what's up with that

And besides that he's only voted for me today for "salty vibes" (the only half of an actual read)

[VOTE: jess] aubergine

hehe

Such a townie thing to do. Such a shame I can't just omgus you here.

Why are you still on gims? Also, do you have any alignment related thoughts on Trekkie?

Notably leetic engages pretty in depth with Mac and challenges him on his Trek read. Also comments on Long Con. So I feel like they were making an active attempt to solve and not just self-prez

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TBH, I find this much less problematic than D1, and unless leetic is specifically also paired with Mac, I feel like leetic is just taking a very different approach to this EOD w/ Trek than they did with Nicole. If anything, he would be MORE nervous about losing a second packmate than they were about Nicole. So this EOD makes me feel like they are more towny

[GoSpursGo]

Trek-->leetic. I also don't find this especially pairing

Been working on grad school application stuff so I've been a bit busy. I do like nutella and jess's more recent posts but Epi's progression feels super lame.

lmao ironically this post from leetic is the one i actually find wolfy

opposite

This is the one thing that feels a tiny bit pairing, an early town read.

[VOTE: gims] aubergine

This post actually feels like something packmates would not do--it's not even distancing, it's just like clowning on a push that a packmate is making.

[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

This feels like a very un-earned vote. While it could be a free attempt at distancing when leetic doesn't appear to be in grave danger (see vc in spoiler), I again just don't see a great reason to take your packmate from essentially being safe to back in the discussion.

Spoiler: show

Day 2 VC on 9/28/26 at ~2300 EDT

pyxxy (1) - Scotty
Epig (1) - DM
Trek (2) - Jess, gims
Long Con () -
leetic (2) - Vivax, Trek
Mac (5) - pyxxy, Michelle, Spurs, nutella, Tranq
gims (2) -leetic, Mac
DM (1) - Epig
jess (1) - dubz


15/19

Leading: Mac
Missing: DrWilgy , Long Con , Porscha , RondoDimBuckle

Vote close on 9/29/26 at 0500 EDT (~6h)

[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

why leetic?

It’s not Mac, Vivax is cool, and leetic has been giving me salty vibes all day.

As mentioned above, pretty weak reasoning. If you're gonna distance I feel like you'd at least give some rationale.
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Again, this does not feel as pairing to me as leetic-->Nicole D1 felt. I also think things happen to look a little worse because he shows up close to EOD, but the content all feels... fine? @gims I think leetic should remain a consideration, but this just doesn't feel paired with Trek, to me.

gth leetic is town I think

[GoSpursGo]

Crashes into the thread like it's an expensive high rise

RAAAAWWWWWRRRRRR

I see people are interested in LC today! Maybe I can redeem myself!

PS I have read nothing except host posts, hopefully will return a bit later tonight to be more useful. I make no promises though, I am but a very, very giant salamander, and we are not known for our intellect.

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

Oh you're here.

I feel like the depth of your roleplaying is stunted. How unfortunate. Of course, not every world can be as rich as the realm of Hyrule

[GoSpursGo]

Crashes into the thread like it's an expensive high rise

RAAAAWWWWWRRRRRR

I see people are interested in LC today! Maybe I can redeem myself!

PS I have read nothing except host posts, hopefully will return a bit later tonight to be more useful. I make no promises though, I am but a very, very giant salamander, and we are not known for our intellect.

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

Oh you're here.

I feel like the depth of your roleplaying is stunted. How unfortunate. Of course, not every world can be as rich as the realm of Hyrule

Or as quirky as the Mushroom Kingdom

[gims]

Alright, thanks Spurs, thats fair

[gims]

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

[GoSpursGo]

Crashes into the thread like it's an expensive high rise

RAAAAWWWWWRRRRRR

I see people are interested in LC today! Maybe I can redeem myself!

PS I have read nothing except host posts, hopefully will return a bit later tonight to be more useful. I make no promises though, I am but a very, very giant salamander, and we are not known for our intellect.

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

Oh you're here.

I feel like the depth of your roleplaying is stunted. How unfortunate. Of course, not every world can be as rich as the realm of Hyrule

Or as quirky as the Mushroom Kingdom

Or as cosmic as the Lylat System

[GoSpursGo]

Crashes into the thread like it's an expensive high rise

RAAAAWWWWWRRRRRR

I see people are interested in LC today! Maybe I can redeem myself!

PS I have read nothing except host posts, hopefully will return a bit later tonight to be more useful. I make no promises though, I am but a very, very giant salamander, and we are not known for our intellect.

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

Oh you're here.

I feel like the depth of your roleplaying is stunted. How unfortunate. Of course, not every world can be as rich as the realm of Hyrule

Or as quirky as the Mushroom Kingdom

Or as cosmic as the Lylat System

Or as verdant as the Donkey Kong Jungle

[GoSpursGo]

Crashes into the thread like it's an expensive high rise

RAAAAWWWWWRRRRRR

I see people are interested in LC today! Maybe I can redeem myself!

PS I have read nothing except host posts, hopefully will return a bit later tonight to be more useful. I make no promises though, I am but a very, very giant salamander, and we are not known for our intellect.

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

Oh you're here.

I feel like the depth of your roleplaying is stunted. How unfortunate. Of course, not every world can be as rich as the realm of Hyrule

Or as quirky as the Mushroom Kingdom

Or as cosmic as the Lylat System

Or as verdant as the Donkey Kong Jungle

Or as, uh... miniature? as wherever Pikmin is?

[GoSpursGo]

Alright, thanks Spurs, thats fair

Appreciate you having me do the work rather than just sleepwalking to the obvious picks. If we get some town flips in the next few days we should reconsider.