Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[speedchuck]

Nova is town.

Jack is trying to prove a point. He might actually think I'm bad if he's 3. He's wrong, and he doesn't care. He never cared before I prodded back at him.

Way I see it, if Jack is 3P, he cannot lose with my lynch. When I flip town, he'll send out his last offer and join scum. If I flipped scum, he'd join town with that extra cred. Tell me his MO doesn't look like this.

[Kylemii]

i wanna see what happens if i [vore]speedchuck[/vore]

[Spacedaisy]

Didn't that literally just happen with me.... ?

yeah and i guess it was cool and everything but like.... it seems like a lot of the time now people get lynched now after just like not being around

i miss the whole "hey don't lynch me, heres some reasons why i'm good and also heeres some reasons to lynch this other guy instead" thing, i miss the 90's

how am i supposed to know who's reacting to dying properly without them showing up to reactt

@novaselinenever @speedchuck @Jackofhearts2005

what're u doing

I already defended myself and I'll keep doing it. I don't know why Marmot is voting me up, but Daisy is doing a big OMGUS and playing the victim card. She isn't a low-hanging fruit and she's making my whole accusation against her about meta and since I only played 1 game with her beforehand, I can't possibly think she's bad, so I must be bad.

I am not playing any victim card. And my point was that everything you have said about how this game is like Fiddler is false. I mean blatantly false.


Current possible baddie vibes, in order from most to least:

Speedchuck
Nova
Marmot

civs: Jack, MP, dunya, Scotty

Suspect Kyle may be 3P, not sure what to think there though.

Can't decide if I feel wolbre for 3P or bad. Don't think civ though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Speedchuck is blatantly bad. My suspicions really started when he put me and TH low on his rainbow, which is dumb. He’s continued to push that angle in the gentlest of ways. It reeks of not only low hanging fruit but pointing out how nice the fruit is and hoping someone will get it for him. He’s afraid to stick his neck out and go for it himself, which mirrors his passive scum behavior in Pirates and Fire Emblem. He’s complained that I haven’t pursued my read on him in a meaningful way, which until now, is true. However, he’s done nothing to pursue his read of me or any of his reads, really. Without checking, do you know any of Speedchuck’s reads that I didn’t just tell you? Can you think of any hunting or any meaningful contribution he’s made all game? Of course you can’t. No. Speedchuck’s reactions to me are of a scummer who thinks I’m Indy and hopes I’ll never actually push him or that I’ll get myself lynched. His every post is testing the waters for one of those things. He’s not hunting.

Jack is trying to prove a point. He might actually think I'm bad if he's 3. He's wrong, and he doesn't care. He never cared before I prodded back at him.

Way I see it, if Jack is 3P, he cannot lose with my lynch. When I flip town, he'll send out his last offer and join scum. If I flipped scum, he'd join town with that extra cred. Tell me his MO doesn't look like this.

Bake him away, toys.

[Kylemii]

Suspect Kyle may be 3P, not sure what to think there though.

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Can't decide if I feel wolbre for 3P or bad. Don't think civ though.

i can't help but think wolbre would be more chill if he were bad? he's been telegraphing his own weirdness. saying things like "I guess I should do ____ thing to avoid being suspicious" is just.... idk bizarre. from a bad viewpoint he'd be like a dude walking into a bank to case it going "well I guess I better not stare at the cameras too much or it'll look like I'm casing the bank for a robbery or something"

[Kylemii]

Nova is town.

Jack is trying to prove a point. He might actually think I'm bad if he's 3. He's wrong, and he doesn't care. He never cared before I prodded back at him.

Way I see it, if Jack is 3P, he cannot lose with my lynch. When I flip town, he'll send out his last offer and join scum. If I flipped scum, he'd join town with that extra cred. Tell me his MO doesn't look like this.

hey by the way what the heck does this mean, do you think jack is 3p?

[speedchuck]

Speedchuck is blatantly bad. My suspicions really started when he put me and TH low on his rainbow, which is dumb. He’s continued to push that angle in the gentlest of ways. It reeks of not only low hanging fruit but pointing out how nice the fruit is and hoping someone will get it for him. He’s afraid to stick his neck out and go for it himself, which mirrors his passive scum behavior in Pirates and Fire Emblem. He’s complained that I haven’t pursued my read on him in a meaningful way, which until now, is true. However, he’s done nothing to pursue his read of me or any of his reads, really. Without checking, do you know any of Speedchuck’s reads that I didn’t just tell you? Can you think of any hunting or any meaningful contribution he’s made all game? Of course you can’t. No. Speedchuck’s reactions to me are of a scummer who thinks I’m Indy and hopes I’ll never actually push him or that I’ll get myself lynched. His every post is testing the waters for one of those things. He’s not hunting.

Jack is trying to prove a point. He might actually think I'm bad if he's 3. He's wrong, and he doesn't care. He never cared before I prodded back at him.

Way I see it, if Jack is 3P, he cannot lose with my lynch. When I flip town, he'll send out his last offer and join scum. If I flipped scum, he'd join town with that extra cred. Tell me his MO doesn't look like this.

Bake him away, toys.

Yes, I read that post. I dunno why you're pointing back to it. "Oh, I know what he thinks of my alignment and so that means I must be right." Non-sequiter.

[speedchuck]

Nova is town.

Jack is trying to prove a point. He might actually think I'm bad if he's 3P. He's wrong, and he doesn't care. He never cared before I prodded back at him.

Way I see it, if Jack is 3P, he cannot lose with my lynch. When I flip town, he'll send out his last offer and join scum. If I flipped scum, he'd join town with that extra cred. Tell me his MO doesn't look like this.

hey by the way what the heck does this mean, do you think jack is 3p?

Fixed a typo.

I think it's likely.

[Jackofhearts2005]

The point is you are treating me like scum would treat 3P.

[speedchuck]

There are 2 3P players that are biding their time, waiting on trading their last item so they can choose alignment. Jack fits that MO, and I think he's using me to either push to LYLO or gain some town glory before choosing.

But if you lynch me, LYLO will be the result, and Jack will hop ship with the other 3P.

(It's only LYLO if the other 3P chose to be scum, technically. I operate in worst possible results time)

[speedchuck]

The point is you are treating me like scum would treat 3P.

My theory is that if you lynch me, you will be.

[Kylemii]

Nova is town.

Jack is trying to prove a point. He might actually think I'm bad if he's 3P. He's wrong, and he doesn't care. He never cared before I prodded back at him.

Way I see it, if Jack is 3P, he cannot lose with my lynch. When I flip town, he'll send out his last offer and join scum. If I flipped scum, he'd join town with that extra cred. Tell me his MO doesn't look like this.

hey by the way what the heck does this mean, do you think jack is 3p?

Fixed a typo.

I think it's likely.

then why are you voting for him

[speedchuck]

Reason 1 to vote for a 3P-looking player:

Wouldn't it be in a mafiaoso's interest though to seem like an independent?

I mean I guess that's a good point. But it would also be in their interests to seem town. Which is easier?

...

Yeah okay that's a really good point.

I'm just saying that in a game with this setup with an independent faction of 3, it might be easier for a mafia player to fake being a disengaged independent than a supatown or something.

Reason 2: Based on his current actions, I think he's looking to side with scum

[Sloonei]

I will engage with this thing tomorrow. I am not in a mafia state of mind. If anyone wants to @ me with questions or information about cases, that might be handy later on.

[Jackofhearts2005]

The point is you are treating me like scum would treat 3P.

My theory is that if you lynch me, you will be.

Huh?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nova is town.

Jack is trying to prove a point. He might actually think I'm bad if he's 3P. He's wrong, and he doesn't care. He never cared before I prodded back at him.

Way I see it, if Jack is 3P, he cannot lose with my lynch. When I flip town, he'll send out his last offer and join scum. If I flipped scum, he'd join town with that extra cred. Tell me his MO doesn't look like this.

hey by the way what the heck does this mean, do you think jack is 3p?

Fixed a typo.

I think it's likely.

then why are you voting for him

Because spoiler alert, Speedchuck is both wrong and bad.

[Spacedaisy]

I think I will move my vote to Speedchuck .

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Linki [mention]Kylemii[/mention] : And what Speed just said is why I am concerned about the fact that so many seem to think wolbre is 3P due to his very weird statements.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] What's the best type of cheese?

[Kylemii]

we don't need indies dead to win even if they side with the mafia right?

[Sloonei]

Gouda is the best cheese

[Scotty]

I totally thought day ended today. Cool

[wolbre04]

Suspect Kyle may be 3P, not sure what to think there though.

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Can't decide if I feel wolbre for 3P or bad. Don't think civ though.

i can't help but think wolbre would be more chill if he were bad? he's been telegraphing his own weirdness. saying things like "I guess I should do ____ thing to avoid being suspicious" is just.... idk bizarre. from a bad viewpoint he'd be like a dude walking into a bank to case it going "well I guess I better not stare at the cameras too much or it'll look like I'm casing the bank for a robbery or something"

I didn't even think of the fact that I've torn my every move this game to pieces

[Turnip Head]

Well I'm glad speedchuck got a chance to talk, I feel even better about our options today

[Choutas]

@colonialbob

Tell me why Speedchuck is not a good lynch today.

Because then tomorrow will be LYLO

It will be LyLo if we don't lynch ya mate.
Think yourself as an offering to the gods. For good wind, luck or a night with a Corinthian whore.

[Tangrowth]

What's going on?

I'll try to catch up momentarily, apologies for still not being around. End of the semester + final dissertation edits = busy MP.

[Tangrowth]

M Plus 7 you still around?

Sort of, but I have a million different things going on. What's up?

Just checking in to see if you and I were actually going to be in the game thread at the same time to interact!

My bad, ended up being busier than expected tonight. It'll have to wait until tomorrow or Sunday.

Great!! I'll probably be on Mt St Helens on Sunday, so peace out!!

Oooh, sounds cool, have fun!

[Tangrowth]

The more shitposting I see with consecutive mislynches and strong town voices, the more frustrated I become with this game.

I really don’t want to be here when I’m frustrated, but I feel alone here. At least Kyle is making some headway. Thanks Kyle

Between the way this game has been progressing after we destroyed Colin and not being able to find the time or motivation to help try to steer the ship myself, I was getting way too frustrated last day phase myself.

[Tangrowth]

I’m going to be serious for the night so enjoy it while you can.

Choutas feels good. Cool as a cucumber under pressure. He doesn’t have an agenda beyond catching baddies.

Dunya has some tied to baddie Colin (I’ve been told) and I could see her bad with Speedchuck. Tone read her as good, which is probably dumb of me but whatever. Not opportunistic. Not leading. That probably cancels out. The “let’s start a game of gth okay nm bye” thing makes her look a little worse, too. Day tone tho.

Quin’s position is built on benefit of the doubt due to scumier players. I cannot recall any of his posts.

Kyle feels town. Heart read.

I don’t remember much of Lap this game but this looks a damn lot like typical town Bob. I’m kinda bad at reading Bob but I feel pretty confident if this read for some reason.

MP is basic town MP, complete with moments of being too busy to post. I’d be shocked if he was anything but town.

Marmot feels good. Then again, I kinda default to town reading Marmot if he does like anything. The colored vote things are more work than they are useful, which is a good place for scum to hide.

Nova is scum. Colin teammate evidence and generally a bad feeling.

Scotty is a possible scum player. As MP said, he’s going after low hanging fruit. Nova and Speedchuck are juicy targets if you want to lynch scum. Team idgaf is actually full of townies if you pay them half an ounce of attention. Scotty faulters sometimes as town but this is a particularly weak method of solving and I don’t buy his panic at all or his complaints about the Luna lynch.

Sloonei feels town and by POE is veeeery unlikely to be bad. Someone said he had Colin links but eh.

Spacedaisy is probably town by POE and also, I just kinda know she’s good.

Speedchuck is blatantly bad. My suspicions really started when he put me and TH low on his rainbow, which is dumb. He’s continued to push that angle in the gentlest of ways. It reeks of not only low hanging fruit but pointing out how nice the fruit is and hoping someone will get it for him. He’s afraid to stick his neck out and go for it himself, which mirrors his passive scum behavior in Pirates and Fire Emblem. He’s complained that I haven’t pursued my read on him in a meaningful way, which until now, is true. However, he’s done nothing to pursue his read of me or any of his reads, really. Without checking, do you know any of Speedchuck’s reads that I didn’t just tell you? Can you think of any hunting or any meaningful contribution he’s made all game? Of course you can’t. No. Speedchuck’s reactions to me are of a scummer who thinks I’m Indy and hopes I’ll never actually push him or that I’ll get myself lynched. His every post is testing the waters for one of those things. He’s not hunting.

TH is town. Duh. When he actually says stuff, the stuff makes sense.

Wolbre is maybe scum for being kinda there and saying wrong mechanical things. Did he have Colin links? I can’t recall.

I fucking love this post.

Jack is clutch.

[Tangrowth]

How coincidental of Jack to start laying out reads now.

And how nice of cbob to butter him up and inflate his standing. He a teammate?

I think jack is distancing from nova and maybe speed. Can’t determine yet. I’m now convinced jack is only choosing to be “straight” because he has pressure.

A plausible theory, but my gut says no. My gut isn't the most reliable thing though (understatement).

[Tangrowth]

Jack is town. I am going to [VOTE: nova] aubergine

I thought I was going to give him a pass because he didn't know me but everything I've seen develop since then.... Nope. I am definitely voting here.

I don't know you well, but I've played with you before. Guess what ? You were bad and did the same thing, you did last day phase. So, I'm not going anywhere from you.

Ah, forced consistency, the mindset of a baddie.

[Tangrowth]

The more shitposting I see with consecutive mislynches and strong town voices, the more frustrated I become with this game.

I really don’t want to be here when I’m frustrated, but I feel alone here. At least Kyle is making some headway. Thanks Kyle

Hey I'm also upset. I walked away from this thread with 30 minutes in the day phase, and Lunalee had 1 vote. Had I been around, I would have defended her lynch. Like seriously, the Oracle had expressed trust in her twice!

The Oracle means nothing, sorry to say. No offense to whoever that is.

[Tangrowth]

Nova's Daisy suspicion is textbook scum behavior. This is not townie tunneling. This is a scum backed into a corner forced to seem consistent about a suspicion that's made up.

[Tangrowth]

Nova is scum. Colin teammate evidence and generally a bad feeling.

I feel like " evidence " is a strong word for what happened. It's a thrown away vote from and some interactions. Some argue that they make me bad, and I argue they don't. The motive behind Colin's vote is easily explainable and my interactions with him show that I was the second one to push him and I meant it.

Where does this bad feeling stems from ?

Your interaction with Colin on day 2 don’t help your case in claiming any sort of “push” against Colin. You had that back and forth on N1 and then took a backseat until he was basically lynched on D2, while simultaneously pushing other narratives.

I didn't have any interaction with him D2 though, so what are those interaction on D2 that don't help my case ? He posted 3 times during D2 and I told you that his posts were bad and nothing in them changed my mind nor warranted an interaction with him.

Why are putting push in quotations mark ?

What other narratives did I try to push ? Sloonei, my other top scum read since D1, at that moment ? That's only 1. What are the others ?

I also don't like posts like this.

A bunch of questions designed to defend against interactions with Colin, with the express purpose of trying to say "see, there's no link there!", as if hyperconscious of the way they interacted.

Nova, if you're town, fuck defense. Hunt some baddies convincingly.

[Tangrowth]

The more shitposting I see with consecutive mislynches and strong town voices, the more frustrated I become with this game.

I really don’t want to be here when I’m frustrated, but I feel alone here. At least Kyle is making some headway. Thanks Kyle

Hey I'm also upset. I walked away from this thread with 30 minutes in the day phase, and Lunalee had 1 vote. Had I been around, I would have defended her lynch. Like seriously, the Oracle had expressed trust in her twice!

On reflection, I don't think a scum Marmot makes this post.

[Tangrowth]

Usually I'm not a fan of gifs, but even I have to admit that the gif war is fun.

[Tangrowth]

who shot first between speed and jack? what's the timeline

I’ve been saying Speed is bad for the entire game. I just wasn’t trying very hard at being convincing until last night.

He has been dying for further analysis for quite some time.

See, this is why I suck at and dislike 20+ player games. Too many players, not enough time to fairly assess and them all.

[Turnip Head]

Nova is scum. Colin teammate evidence and generally a bad feeling.

I feel like " evidence " is a strong word for what happened. It's a thrown away vote from and some interactions. Some argue that they make me bad, and I argue they don't. The motive behind Colin's vote is easily explainable and my interactions with him show that I was the second one to push him and I meant it.

Where does this bad feeling stems from ?

Your interaction with Colin on day 2 don’t help your case in claiming any sort of “push” against Colin. You had that back and forth on N1 and then took a backseat until he was basically lynched on D2, while simultaneously pushing other narratives.

I didn't have any interaction with him D2 though, so what are those interaction on D2 that don't help my case ? He posted 3 times during D2 and I told you that his posts were bad and nothing in them changed my mind nor warranted an interaction with him.

Why are putting push in quotations mark ?

What other narratives did I try to push ? Sloonei, my other top scum read since D1, at that moment ? That's only 1. What are the others ?

I also don't like posts like this.

A bunch of questions designed to defend against interactions with Colin, with the express purpose of trying to say "see, there's no link there!", as if hyperconscious of the way they interacted.

Nova, if you're town, fuck defense. Hunt some baddies convincingly.

Thanks for this one MP, I hadn't read it this way before.

[Tangrowth]

Jack is town. I am going to [VOTE: nova] aubergine

I thought I was going to give him a pass because he didn't know me but everything I've seen develop since then.... Nope. I am definitely voting here.

what's the context for the red part

I don't understand the question.

Jack is town. I am going to [VOTE: nova] aubergine

I thought I was going to give him a pass because he didn't know me but everything I've seen develop since then.... Nope. I am definitely voting here.

I don't know you well, but I've played with you before. Guess what ? You were bad and did the same thing, you did last day phase. So, I'm not going anywhere from you.

No man, you can't think one game has given you insight into my entire play. You're wrong. And you're bad.

How does red follow from orange?

Everything he said about me was wrong (untrue). And I believe he is bad. Pretty straightforward.

He thinks he has some correlation, one which everyone who played Fiddler with me can (and has in this game even) tell you doesn't work and even isn't true, I didn't act the same in Fiddler at all, and he yet continues to push it. He says I am bad. I am not, therefore he is wrong. I believe the reason he is wrong is because he is bad and I am the easy lynch after the Luna flip. And then, he will set up MP as well. MP is civ, dunya is civ, Jack is civ, I am civ.

Nova is bad. And I would bet whoever is on his team does not have a lot of experience playing with me, or like TH hasn't played with me in a long time.

I'm playing by gut this time folks. I tend to let myself be talked out of stuff, but I'm not doing it this time.

I'm still not sure about Marmot. I'll read him at some point. Right now, I'm coming for nova.

But everything he said about you wasn't wrong. His interpretation of it very well could be, but you did in fact encourage people to lynch you in another game. There was some truth to what he said.

He also was pursuing you well before the Luna flip, so I don't get that reasoning.

No, he is 100% wrong.

He is saying I am behaving the same as I did in Fiddler but I am not. In Fiddler, I DID ask to be lynched because of the fact I was trying to look civ in a shrinking PoE pool. Here, I NEVER asked to be lynched. There I was not aggressive, I played like a civ, analyzing and hunting. Here I have barely even been present. There is literally zero correlation between the two.

I better not fucking eat crow for this again, but dammit, this is town Daisy. I'm nearly completely sure of it.

[Tangrowth]

He would have succeeded if MP hadn't come in and dog peed all over the thread.

I just have to take a minute to say that I love that the dog pee terminology has stuck around and become a thing that everyone just knows I do.

[Jackofhearts2005]

The more shitposting I see with consecutive mislynches and strong town voices, the more frustrated I become with this game.

I really don’t want to be here when I’m frustrated, but I feel alone here. At least Kyle is making some headway. Thanks Kyle

Hey I'm also upset. I walked away from this thread with 30 minutes in the day phase, and Lunalee had 1 vote. Had I been around, I would have defended her lynch. Like seriously, the Oracle had expressed trust in her twice!

On reflection, I don't think a scum Marmot makes this post.

Disagree. As you said, the oracle posts mean nothing. Why lean on them? It’s misleading and a claim “I would have done a protown thing” is worthless.

I still think Marmot is proooobably town but the post you quoted is part of why I suspect him.

[Tangrowth]

Kyle is 100% tone reading as genuine, by the way. He's moving up my town reads.

[Tangrowth]

The more shitposting I see with consecutive mislynches and strong town voices, the more frustrated I become with this game.

I really don’t want to be here when I’m frustrated, but I feel alone here. At least Kyle is making some headway. Thanks Kyle

Hey I'm also upset. I walked away from this thread with 30 minutes in the day phase, and Lunalee had 1 vote. Had I been around, I would have defended her lynch. Like seriously, the Oracle had expressed trust in her twice!

On reflection, I don't think a scum Marmot makes this post.

Disagree. As you said, the oracle posts mean nothing. Why lean on them? It’s misleading and a claim “I would have done a protown thing” is worthless.

I still think Marmot is proooobably town but the post you quoted is part of why I suspect him.

I know it's WIFOM, but the exact reasoning you lay out here is why I think scum Marmot wouldn't make the post.

Here's the progression of that post:

Genuine indignation. A declaration of taking a stance based on said indignation. A simultaneously jokey yet serious way to end the progression -- note the illogical sentiment, which is important.

Scum Marmot doesn't progress like that. Scum Marmot has two zones of operation: 100% serious and 100% jokey. He doesn't mix them up when scum. The progression reads genuine, as if Marmot was expressing genuine frustration regarding the situation, then felt like he not only had to lighten the mood a bit at the end, but in a manner that he believes in. IMO scum Marmot would have either said the orange and red bits and stopped there, or just the pink bit.

It's certainly not airtight, but it's how I interpreted it nonetheless.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Still can’t believe we have an ancient Greece mafia game and there’s only one servant involved.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Mostly because I have a billion gifs of Gilgamesh being mean to Heracles.

[Tangrowth]

@speedchuck why pick out a defined number of scum? That sounds like the opposite of what a GTH read list is supposed to be: spontaneous

Scotty got the answer way back when. Scotty is Civ.

I thought I said something similar at the time, noting that Jay said that scum tend to be more likely to do this, but followed it up with some caution that I wasn't sure how airtight the analysis was. Can't be bothered to go dig that up.

Otherwise, I agree that it's not the best of looks.

[Tangrowth]

The jack vs chuck incident is the best thing that has happened on day five unless somebody offers a better case I'm going for it. The two are linked and can't both be scum so I'll follow my gut and support Chuck in lynching scumchuck.

How do you figure both can't be scum?

[Tangrowth]

Kyle I see literally nothing in Speedchuck's interactions with Colin that I feel are in his defense. He never once gave a case for why he was voting Colin. He never even quoted someone else's case and said, "This looks like a good point." In fact some of his posts look a bit like he could be trying to subtly push off of Colin imo.

Conversation is already going around Colin, and Speedchuck does a case on Epi. Speedchuck was pointing at Epi before this though, and I don't know where that all fell in the Colin stuff.

Spoiler: show

Epi's posts with content:

I should let you all know that I just started a new job so I have less time overall right now, and if it seems like I'm lurking, I more than likely just haven't seen the thread yet.

I'm gonna [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine because he dropped this post and then left. The thread wasn't bustling with activity at the time, but there was enough going on that he could have offered a comment or two on something. I want Colin to say things when he has a chance.

I woke up to ~300 new posts and I have some grown up things to take care of before I go to work today. I sense that I'll be playing from behind early in this game.

Sloonei thinks his shield is bigger than Colin's shield.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

This looks good at first glance. But Sloonei has given us stuff to work with already, even popping in this time. His point stands. But don't worry, Epi won't pursue this.

wolbre04 When you get the chance what do you think of the Golden, MP, Mac, and Dunya?

D1 is purely conjecture on my part until someone does something overly messy to me, but Golden and Mac seem to be interested in leading the pack and being outspoken
This is fine of course, but the later the game goes, the more I consider whether they are just leading us right into the fire

"The later the game goes the more I consider whether" means you are assured you will be around later to act on this seed.

And the fire is not dangerous if you cannot be led to it.

Dunya was really helpful, but basically a neutral leaning town

dunya has not been helpful, and you two are teammates.

[VOTE: wolbre04] aubergine

Epi gets onto wolbre for thinking he might survive the day. He also advises wolbre not to be led so easily, which... wolbre was already commenting on.
Then Epi makes a herculean leap in logic. If Epi's reason for Wolbre being bad is tied to Dunya, why not lynch Dunya instead of the newbie who won't put up a fight?
What ARE Epi's reasons for voting wolbre in the first place?

Don't worry, Epi won't pursue this.

If.

Not really lynch worthy though is it?

I concur.

Epi lays low as scum, sure, but he's useful as town. Game has actually been going for less than 24 hours, finals for schoolteachers are approaching, etc. Epi hasn't been super active this weekend either, and has had company if I remember right.

I'm not going to lay a lazy vote on Epi for activity, and I caution against wasting your time with it today.

If I need an apologist, I'll attain an honest one.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Other people have said I was wrong here already. Still waiting for proof to contradict what I've seen and heard. I'm not worried though. I don't think Epi will pursue this. (Although now that I'm being antagonistic, he might.)

every game Dom has been in with me, he ended up being inactive so this is actually the first time I get to play with him and I'm not at all familiar with his meta. from what I have heard, this seems to be Dom being Dom.

Citation needed.

I guess this is content? People might be nitpicky about its absence, so I included it. I have no reason to believe Epi will pursue this, and I honestly don't think it's a scumslip. It doesn't make sense as one.

Here, he would vote Sloonei over Colin, but don't worry guys, he still suspects Colin... but what about Quin??

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@MacDougall Do you still want votes piled on ColinisCool?

What do you want?

If he's still doing a thing, I want to help.

If not, and I wanted to consolidate, I'd vote Sloonei. I suspect Sloon more than Colin. (though I do suspect Colin, or I wouldn't be asking)

But what I really want to do is start some entirely new votes since we're only a fourth of the way through the day. I'd probably start with @Quin. My Quindar has not given me the genu-Quin townread yet, and I usually get that as soon as he starts posting.

Than he just votes Colin. No explanation. Prodded by his wife for not voting yet, and he tosses it on Colin.

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@speedchuck , I'm surprised you haven't placed a vote yet today. Who do you suspect?

Coliniscool, Sloonei, Quin... and I could probably find some others with an ISO.

I have plenty of time to place my vote, and I've been waiting for Mac to come back so I could pry about his 'plan.' But I'll go ahead and vote for colin anyway.
[VOTE: coliniscool] aubergine

I don't like the look overall.

Explain to me Kyle what about it gives you a town vibe?

This is fucking gold.

I'm sold on speedchuck. Let's burn him.

[Tangrowth]

Upon reflection, suddenly a lot of speedchuck's behavior this game makes more sense if he's mafia than town.

- His continued defense of Luna (it'd be because he knew she was town)
- His weird handling of Colin
- His going after low-hanging fruit and getting upset over unconventional townplay (I've been known to harp on this more as a baddie as well)
- His generally hidden presence where he's contributing just enough to skate by but never really pursuing anyone or anything with any conviction
etc.

[Tangrowth]

I'm comfortable with Speedchuck or Nova lynch today. Speedchuckk heavily defended Nova. It could mean he either knew too much and was defending someone he knew was civ or it could possibly be defending a teammate.

I'm with you. I'd prioritize speedchuck based on that logic and also the points that you and Jack raised. I suppose there is also a little doubt regarding Nova's tunneling of you being genuine, but I still think he's not.

[VOTE: SPEEDCHUCK] aubergine

[Turnip Head]

If MP and Daisy are bad together we are so fucking screwed

is what the little voice in the back of my head is saying

[Tangrowth]

speed's posts do nothing but convince me he's bad. His line of defense is continued "it's going to be LYLO" if you lynch me. He does hardly anything to hunt or explain his reads.

speed, if you're town, hunt. Stop saying it'll be LYLO. I don't give a shit about that. I give a shit about your reads.