Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[dunya]

I wonder if they're allowed to correspond about who they're voting for.

By btsc last night for sure. Why not?

48hrs before the lynch they decided on who to park their votes on? not very effective.

[colonialbob]

Yesterday Review

Spoiler: show

@colonialbob

Tell me why Speedchuck is not a good lynch today.

He had early pressure/vote on Colin

I don't see much in his ISO that makes me real nervous I guess. I also don't see much that makes me feel real comfortable.

If nova is bad I think he is likely bad.

Soft point to lynch Nova before Speed. Lotta that from yesterday.

Check this exchange. Pro boards = btsc

nah dude let's pretend I'm bussing you first

I don’t get lynched but even if I did, I imagine you wouldn’t go after Speed next so that’s a no go.

This is a thing bad Jack says.

Strike 2.

This is a thing Jack says. You’re striking yourself.

Actually, @colonialbob show me one time mafia Jack has ever said that. I can’t think of one.

I've seen you say that on proboards.

Moving goal posts much? What I share on a mafia btsc and what I say on a game thread are two entirely different things and you comparing the two is scummy.

K.

Talk about people besides speedchuck please.

I’ve given a read on everybody and an explanation for every one of those reads.

You talk about somebody else.

Sorry folks I ended up making last minute plans after working today and only just remembered this is ending soon.

I don't love any of these trains but I admit I was mostly poking Jack to see how he'd react. I feel his reactions were fairly townie.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Does this read legit? “K. Talk about someone besides Speedchuck. Oh, I was just testing you. Vote:Speedchuck.” Note I am bad at reading Bob and easily buddied. Bob is aware of both these things.

Honestly?

I forgot you made the giant reads post. I was concerned mafia Jack was steering the thread by making all the conversation about speed, then you mentioned the reads post and I looked at it and that wasn't a concern anymore.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I wonder if they're allowed to correspond about who they're voting for.

By btsc last night for sure. Why not?

48hrs before the lynch they decided on who to park their votes on? not very effective.

I can only hope.

How do you feel about Scotty and Bob today?

[Scotty]

This would be a bad day for me to have to make some legacy posts besides “hey guys, read last week’s paper!”

So don’t make that mistake on me or people I believe to be civ please

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yesterday Review

Scotty get back here

Wish I had two votes. No one else is biting on him. I want him lynched too.

let them nibble a bit more and we can reel him in

I can’t promise I’ll be back to monitor other votes, but fine.

We need more votes on jack too, guys. His recen reads wouldn’t have happened if we didn’t call him out on it with votes.

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

This does not follow

1) If the problem is no Jack reads and he wants Jack to participate in a way that he can figure out Jack’s alignment, why this vote?

2) If he has already decided Jack was bad and Jack’s actions can’t be trusted because they were pressured out of him, why remove his vote and why answer to TH, who was as fluffy/shitposty as Jack?

Baddie indicative, IMO.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yesterday Review

@speedchuck why pick out a defined number of scum? That sounds like the opposite of what a GTH read list is supposed to be: spontaneous

Scotty got the answer way back when. Scotty is Civ.

This is Scotty’s main push on Speedchuck and his best look. But is it just distancing.

Someone other than me should weigh in.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I am still ISOing.

Also, it doesn't look like it was because of anyone defending him, it just dropped.

Daisy weighed in already.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yesterday Review

While Daisy is isoing Speed and Choutas is backing my play, we get this from Marmot

[VOTE: nova] aubergine

Won't be around much before EoD, so voting there now.

Lame.

[Turnip Head]

You're going too hard on scotty imo. I like him this game.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yesterday Review


The order went Jack case-> Scotty and TH rejection of case -> Nova ignores case (defends self) -> Wolbre jumps on despite not scumreading Speed -> Kyle meh votes Speed -> Marmot ignores case -> Choutas gives full buy in of Speed case -> Daisy ISOs Scotty and then Speed, coming up with this case.

Kyle I see literally nothing in Speedchuck's interactions with Colin that I feel are in his defense. He never once gave a case for why he was voting Colin. He never even quoted someone else's case and said, "This looks like a good point." In fact some of his posts look a bit like he could be trying to subtly push off of Colin imo.

Conversation is already going around Colin, and Speedchuck does a case on Epi. Speedchuck was pointing at Epi before this though, and I don't know where that all fell in the Colin stuff.

Spoiler: show

Epi's posts with content:

I should let you all know that I just started a new job so I have less time overall right now, and if it seems like I'm lurking, I more than likely just haven't seen the thread yet.

I'm gonna [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine because he dropped this post and then left. The thread wasn't bustling with activity at the time, but there was enough going on that he could have offered a comment or two on something. I want Colin to say things when he has a chance.

I woke up to ~300 new posts and I have some grown up things to take care of before I go to work today. I sense that I'll be playing from behind early in this game.

Sloonei thinks his shield is bigger than Colin's shield.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

This looks good at first glance. But Sloonei has given us stuff to work with already, even popping in this time. His point stands. But don't worry, Epi won't pursue this.

wolbre04 When you get the chance what do you think of the Golden, MP, Mac, and Dunya?

D1 is purely conjecture on my part until someone does something overly messy to me, but Golden and Mac seem to be interested in leading the pack and being outspoken
This is fine of course, but the later the game goes, the more I consider whether they are just leading us right into the fire

"The later the game goes the more I consider whether" means you are assured you will be around later to act on this seed.

And the fire is not dangerous if you cannot be led to it.

Dunya was really helpful, but basically a neutral leaning town

dunya has not been helpful, and you two are teammates.

[VOTE: wolbre04] aubergine

Epi gets onto wolbre for thinking he might survive the day. He also advises wolbre not to be led so easily, which... wolbre was already commenting on.
Then Epi makes a herculean leap in logic. If Epi's reason for Wolbre being bad is tied to Dunya, why not lynch Dunya instead of the newbie who won't put up a fight?
What ARE Epi's reasons for voting wolbre in the first place?

Don't worry, Epi won't pursue this.

If.

Not really lynch worthy though is it?

I concur.

Epi lays low as scum, sure, but he's useful as town. Game has actually been going for less than 24 hours, finals for schoolteachers are approaching, etc. Epi hasn't been super active this weekend either, and has had company if I remember right.

I'm not going to lay a lazy vote on Epi for activity, and I caution against wasting your time with it today.

If I need an apologist, I'll attain an honest one.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Other people have said I was wrong here already. Still waiting for proof to contradict what I've seen and heard. I'm not worried though. I don't think Epi will pursue this. (Although now that I'm being antagonistic, he might.)

every game Dom has been in with me, he ended up being inactive so this is actually the first time I get to play with him and I'm not at all familiar with his meta. from what I have heard, this seems to be Dom being Dom.

Citation needed.

I guess this is content? People might be nitpicky about its absence, so I included it. I have no reason to believe Epi will pursue this, and I honestly don't think it's a scumslip. It doesn't make sense as one.

Here, he would vote Sloonei over Colin, but don't worry guys, he still suspects Colin... but what about Quin??

Spoiler: show

@MacDougall Do you still want votes piled on ColinisCool?

What do you want?

If he's still doing a thing, I want to help.

If not, and I wanted to consolidate, I'd vote Sloonei. I suspect Sloon more than Colin. (though I do suspect Colin, or I wouldn't be asking)

But what I really want to do is start some entirely new votes since we're only a fourth of the way through the day. I'd probably start with @Quin. My Quindar has not given me the genu-Quin townread yet, and I usually get that as soon as he starts posting.

Than he just votes Colin. No explanation. Prodded by his wife for not voting yet, and he tosses it on Colin.

Spoiler: show

@speedchuck , I'm surprised you haven't placed a vote yet today. Who do you suspect?

Coliniscool, Sloonei, Quin... and I could probably find some others with an ISO.

I have plenty of time to place my vote, and I've been waiting for Mac to come back so I could pry about his 'plan.' But I'll go ahead and vote for colin anyway.
[VOTE: coliniscool] aubergine

I don't like the look overall.

Explain to me Kyle what about it gives you a town vibe?

[Jackofhearts2005]

You're going too hard on scotty imo. I like him this game.

Why?

What about Marmot? What about Bob?

[Turnip Head]

You're going too hard on scotty imo. I like him this game.

Why?

What about Marmot? What about Bob?

It's not really something I can explain... I sense his towniness

I don't have anything to say about Marmot or Bob atm. I think Sloonei looks slimy

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yesterday Review

Kyle gives another several meh posts starting here

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 80#p438880

Really feeling the Kyle being or pretending to be 3P theory. He’s not invested in the Speedchuck lynch at all but is doing nothing to stop it.

[Turnip Head]

I'm also only correcting you when I feel the need to, Jack (you've mischaracterized my play a bit here and there and I'm keeping my mouth shut)... ... from one towner to someone I really really hope is town, I'm trying to dance around your hunt while keeping my own game going. If you can dig it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yesterday Review

Bob votes next unclear if Daisy or Jack or his own research is the driving factor behind this vote.

Potential scummate.

Sorry folks I ended up making last minute plans after working today and only just remembered this is ending soon.

I don't love any of these trains but I admit I was mostly poking Jack to see how he'd react. I feel his reactions were fairly townie.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

[Turnip Head]

Yesterday Review

Bob votes next unclear if Daisy or Jack or his own research is the driving factor behind this vote.

Potential scummate.

Sorry folks I ended up making last minute plans after working today and only just remembered this is ending soon.

I don't love any of these trains but I admit I was mostly poking Jack to see how he'd react. I feel his reactions were fairly townie.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

I'm plucking this one cuz it stands out to me. Is this all Bob said about speed?

[Scotty]

Yesterday Review

Scotty get back here

Wish I had two votes. No one else is biting on him. I want him lynched too.

let them nibble a bit more and we can reel him in

I can’t promise I’ll be back to monitor other votes, but fine.

We need more votes on jack too, guys. His recen reads wouldn’t have happened if we didn’t call him out on it with votes.

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

This does not follow

1) If the problem is no Jack reads and he wants Jack to participate in a way that he can figure out Jack’s alignment, why this vote?

2) If he has already decided Jack was bad and Jack’s actions can’t be trusted because they were pressured out of him, why remove his vote and why answer to TH, who was as fluffy/shitposty as Jack?

Baddie indicative, IMO.

I’ll own up and say I just didn’t believe that your sudden reads were authentic at the time. And it was a catch 22 because you did exactly what I asked for, and yet it didn’t satisfy me.

[Scotty]

Yesterday Review

Bob votes next unclear if Daisy or Jack or his own research is the driving factor behind this vote.

Potential scummate.

Sorry folks I ended up making last minute plans after working today and only just remembered this is ending soon.

I don't love any of these trains but I admit I was mostly poking Jack to see how he'd react. I feel his reactions were fairly townie.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

I'm plucking this one cuz it stands out to me. Is this all Bob said about speed?

He actually had been lightly defending speed if I recall. But more on the fence.

Can’t call him out for bussing, that’s for sure

[Marmot]

@JaggedJimmyJay

Will we get a vote count at EOD?

Or are votes hidden today for good?

Ooh good question, this'll make my technicolor vote compilation incomplete.

[Marmot]

Yesterday Review

While Daisy is isoing Speed and Choutas is backing my play, we get this from Marmot

[VOTE: nova] aubergine

Won't be around much before EoD, so voting there now.

Lame.

I guess I wasn't explicit, but I was out of town Saturday-Sunday, which was why I voted when I did (and couldn't put any ISO effort in).

But give me a break man, I've been working hard this whole game, and couldn't be around for a weekend.

So you're lame.

[dunya]

How do you feel about Scotty and Bob today?

cbob has been unusually less active. I'll wait to see what happens after work, as he promised. I remember getting a lot of townie pings from him and we're thinking on the same wavelength which is a good thing.

Scotty...I haven't ISO'd him yet. On one hand, I agree with him on a lot of things. On the other hand, he's said and done some suspicious or weird things. GTH right now says....oh wait, I probably can't say that? Let me do a small ISO post on things I like about Scotty and things I don't like about Scotty.

[dunya]

Yesterday Review

While Daisy is isoing Speed and Choutas is backing my play, we get this from Marmot

[VOTE: nova] aubergine

Won't be around much before EoD, so voting there now.

Lame.

I guess I wasn't explicit, but I was out of town Saturday-Sunday, which was why I voted when I did (and couldn't put any ISO effort in).

But give me a break man, I've been working hard this whole game, and couldn't be around for a weekend.

So you're lame.

I can confirm this. Marmot was in the wild and has made me jealous.

[Turnip Head]

I've been working hard this whole game

[dunya]

yea I don't think the 2 remaining scum would have needed to defend speed yesterday. on the other hand, wolbre did it...

[dunya]

also, I wish I could silence Marmot. I'm ahead of him in post count.

[dunya]

also he doesn't like turtles so I don't know what kind of animal lover he pretends to be but that reads so fake to me.

[Kylemii]

I actually don't mean Jack, tho. I think speed's role would have encouraged early on distancing and gradual bussing rather than what Jack did. Jack initiated it, but who was on that bandwagon with a backstory and back suspicion of speed?

Jack suspected speed from the start. From like day 1.

[dunya]

I actually don't mean Jack, tho. I think speed's role would have encouraged early on distancing and gradual bussing rather than what Jack did. Jack initiated it, but who was on that bandwagon with a backstory and back suspicion of speed?

Jack suspected speed from the start. From like day 1.

indeed. Scotty ISOd all the times he accused speed for us today. 23 times since day 1. o.o

[wolbre04]

yea I don't think the 2 remaining scum would have needed to defend speed yesterday. on the other hand, wolbre did it...

Yet I stated that I had him as a town read and I look terrible if he gets lynched. Scum seeing that would jump at the chance, as people seem hellbent on 3p (nontown) already and I'm a quick mislynch

[wolbre04]

Look terrible if he gets lynched and flips scum* ^^

[dunya]

How coincidental of Jack to start laying out reads now.

And how nice of cbob to butter him up and inflate his standing. He a teammate?

I think jack is distancing from nova and maybe speed. Can’t determine yet. I’m now convinced jack is only choosing to be “straight” because he has pressure.

who was pressuring jack

Jack was pressuring Jack. Sick of people assuming my Speedchuck read was a joke of some sort. Ready to see him strung up.

this is actually funny. jack downplayed the seriousness of his early speed suspicion until after the rainbow list. but when he was under fire, he coughs up the case and that sentence just seems like the opposite of what he's said today I feel. It was a lot more aggressive there.

[dunya]

yea I don't think the 2 remaining scum would have needed to defend speed yesterday. on the other hand, wolbre did it...

Yet I stated that I had him as a town read and I look terrible if he gets lynched. Scum seeing that would jump at the chance, as people seem hellbent on 3p (nontown) already and I'm a quick mislynch

why does someone defending someone who flips scum look terrible? that action in itself doesn't make a person look terrible. if everyone can read each other correctly, then the game would be over in a couple of phases, right?

and I don't care if you're 3p. I think a lot of us feel the same way about 3ps. In fact, if I have concrete evidence in front of me that you are 3p, I would actively not lynch you.

3ps sided with mafia don't even know each other. how funny is that. most likely, a persian-aligned 3p will always vote with the bandwagon. so I don't care about them. I don't have to lynch them to win. we are 1 mislynch away from LyLo. gimme persian blood today.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]dunya[/mention]

You think I was concerned about pressure from Scotty and Dunya?

Or that I had a case on my scumbuddy in my pocket (ie that my scumbuddy had treated me like 3P? Why would he do that?) and that pressure caused me to spill that case all over the thread?

This is tinfoil.

[Jackofhearts2005]

EBWOP

Scotty and TH

[Kylemii]

My vote for speedchuck along with my reading him and encouraging SD to give an opinion on him, which resulted in her making a case on him was 90% based on my assumption that Jack has used an info role on Speedchuck during night 4

[dunya]

@dunya

You think I was concerned about pressure from Scotty and Dunya?

Or that I had a case on my scumbuddy in my pocket (ie that my scumbuddy had treated me like 3P? Why would he do that?) and that pressure caused me to spill that case all over the thread?

This is tinfoil.

I think you definitely were concerned about pressure from the thread or you wouldn't have come out of your cocoon. If I had people voting for me and making cases, whether I was town or scum, I'd feel pressured and start reacting. You did that. so to say you felt no pressure whatsoever from anyone because you never get lynched (sic) and just chose that moment to become an active participant makes me feel worse about you because I feel like you're not being completely honest.

I can also make the argument that speed's counterargument of no-u, you're bad, you're 3p, was just speed digging his grave deeper and giving you more ammo to lynch him.

[Kylemii]

the other 10% was that Speed was reminding me of endgame Mortal Kombat Speedchuck who was keenly aware of how far away lylo was when he pulled off a late game gambit. Speedchuck allowing himself to be bussed to activate his death passive and nearly gaurantee his team reaches or passes lylo isn't an absurd idea.

[dunya]

My vote for speedchuck along with my reading him and encouraging SD to give an opinion on him, which resulted in her making a case on him was 90% based on my assumption that Jack has used an info role on Speedchuck during night 4

did you see the link Scotty compiled? why would Jack wait till night 4 to use any info role on speed is the question, considering he's called for speed's lynch and scumminess practically from day 1. who else has Jack done that with? who else has Jack actively hounded up until Day 5? and coincidentally, day 5 is the day he gets heat. seems convenient? I just don't like to assume everything is a coincidence.

[dunya]

can someone link me to a game with a baddie Scotty?

much appreciated

[dunya]

one thing for sure is jack and scotty are not w/w

[dunya]

I also don't like how he mentions speed's rainbow as the trigger that activated him to come out and make reads and cases. speed made a rainbow on Day 2 with pretty much the same suspects. where was Jack on speedchuck from Day 2 - Day 5?

these loose ends need explaining.

[Turnip Head]

[Kylemii]

My vote for speedchuck along with my reading him and encouraging SD to give an opinion on him, which resulted in her making a case on him was 90% based on my assumption that Jack has used an info role on Speedchuck during night 4

did you see the link Scotty compiled? why would Jack wait till night 4 to use any info role on speed is the question, considering he's called for speed's lynch and scumminess practically from day 1. who else has Jack done that with? who else has Jack actively hounded up until Day 5? and coincidentally, day 5 is the day he gets heat. seems convenient? I just don't like to assume everything is a coincidence.

I haven't read anything I'm still like 4 pages behind.

Jack's sudden escalation in suspecting Speedchuck has no visible reasoning, he even said "I've suspected speedchuck since the beginning, I just started going hard on it starting last night" it seemed arbitrary, and the reason I trusted it was because of that. but there's a lot of things that don't actually add up.

[Kylemii]

hnnmmmnnnngggg

i don't care about winning or losing the only thing i care about is not being outsmarted by speedchuck a second time this year

[dunya]

hnnmmmnnnngggg

i don't care about winning or losing the only thing i care about is not being outsmarted by speedchuck a second time this year

dont forget pirates...but that was last year. with Jack.

[Marmot]

also, I wish I could silence Marmot. I'm ahead of him in post count.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Marmot]

can someone link me to a game with a baddie Scotty?

much appreciated

Here's one

I think you were in that game too.

[dunya]

can someone link me to a game with a baddie Scotty?

much appreciated

Here's one

I think you were in that game too.

well played, good sir, well played.

[Jackofhearts2005]

My vote for speedchuck along with my reading him and encouraging SD to give an opinion on him, which resulted in her making a case on him was 90% based on my assumption that Jack has used an info role on Speedchuck during night 4

did you see the link Scotty compiled? why would Jack wait till night 4 to use any info role on speed is the question, considering he's called for speed's lynch and scumminess practically from day 1. who else has Jack done that with? who else has Jack actively hounded up until Day 5? and coincidentally, day 5 is the day he gets heat. seems convenient? I just don't like to assume everything is a coincidence.

When have I ever bussed a teammate who was not under suspicion? [mention]colonialbob[/mention] you ever seen me do that?

The pressure you talk about was one vote from Scotty. TH’s vote doesn’t count for obvious reasons.

This. Is. Tinfoil.

Cut it out.

[Turnip Head]

Speedchuck draws a persian card

Speedchuck is feeling burnt out

Speedchuck tells Jack "Buss me to hell and back"



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