DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Tangrowth]

But his tone is pure AF, look at his back and forth with Colin this morning.

I just woke up. I don't know what you're referring to. I'll see it soon enough.

I feel like this is scum Jay autopilot hunting. Not town Jay trying to figure out whether someone is REALLY town or not hunting.

I am playing POE. I am not focusing my suspicions upon people who I think look like civilians. There's a group of people I trust the least right now, and I have spent all of Day 1 systematically working on all of those reads. You can see it in my votes, in my interrogations, and in my progressions.

Alright, fair enough, I await interacting with you again when convenient.

[Tangrowth]

Give me a new rainbow list.

You'll get it when I am damned well ready to give it.

And my vote is on you until I can feel assured that you are in fact town.

[Tangrowth]

I'm in my own head. I really ought to take a break. I'll be back.

Jay, curious about your detailed thoughts on Mac upon my return.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Something that bugs me about the response given by [mention]Infected_alien8_[/mention] to [mention]Russtifinko[/mention]'s ISO:

When confronted in a serious way about the hedging in his posts, or in the lack of clarity on exactly where he stands on many reads, alien has denied those assertions. He has denied the hedging nature of the content, and denied that his reads lacked clarity (at least in his own mind). This represents a mindstate that I have difficulty buying. I have had the very same impressions of alien's posts that Russ had, and credit to Russ for describing it all in much clearer detail. I think Russ's points are absolutely fair.

Hedging and a lack of clarity don't have to make someone a mafioso. I know of players who are just that way by nature. It's something that gets nutella into trouble a lot, or at least it used to. To just admit to some of that being valid, and to explain one's own natural tendency to cover all the bases, or to examine all angles without always being sure of a read -- I might be able to believe that. I don't know if this is something that would bear out in alien's play elsewhere; perhaps someone who played with him already can pipe in. Instead of that transparency though the response was abject denial of something that I think is blatantly visible in alien's content. It's just there. It doesn't have to doom him, but to say it isn't there is hard to take.

[DharmaHelper]

I actually feel like... I don't know, something is off about Mac and Jay. I can't put my finger on it. But after sleeping on it last night I keep thinking all morning that maybe at least one if not both of them are scum. Their interactions with each other are weird.

Wouldn't it be a fucking legendary move if I caught 2 mafia by not playing the game

[Lunalee]

Spoiler: show

He's just too town to not be town. Does that make any since?

Can you be more specific? What about him is town exactly?

God help me, but I will go through his ISO and quote why I think he's town. I may not be back for a while.

LOL. Nah. I can't trust MP's super-town act. I really, really want to, but there's no way I can trust it.

Luna, I don’t understand. Did you find stuff inn my ISO around doubt your read?

Or do you just not trust me after when I was your Cylon partner in BSG the board game?

Okay, it may sound stupid, but that is actually when I decided I can't ever read you properly. You're going to be "excited town" regardless and I don't want to get sucked into buying it.

LMFAO I KNEW IT

Dumb game. Wasn’t worth barely losing to never have Luna’s trust again.

If you are town this game, you may earn part of it back. If you're scum I may never trust you ever.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Furthermore on my previous point, I am also inclined to view alien's ensuing suspicion of Russ dubiously.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

*552 posts*

*breathes fire everywhere*

How anyone could think this is within my scum range is beyond me.

Can people talk about this, is M Plus 7 truly quieter when he's scum than Town?

This is to my knowledge MP's "loudest" mafia performance. He may correct me if not. I think the ante may have been upped since this game over two years ago, but if you're asking whether a 2,500 post mafia MP has ever existed the answer would be no. Not yet.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Infected_alien8_[/mention]

I'm sorry to keep piling on, but this reads list presents many of the problems Russ and I have spoken of. You have separated each player into their appropriate tiers and given a blurb to explain their position. The problem is that those blurbs often cover the full gamut of what a read can be, and it renders the positions of the players extremely tenuous. Indeed, if you held many of these blurbs static and then moved the associated players to the opposite ends of the list, the blurbs would still make some sense. You have a vantage point to launch an attack against essentially every player in the thread now short of Tsaiah and I.

[Tangrowth]

Alright. I'm here with caffeine and food, because I can't FUCKING HELP MYSELF.

[Tangrowth]

Something that bugs me about the response given by @Infected_alien8_ to @Russtifinko's ISO:

When confronted in a serious way about the hedging in his posts, or in the lack of clarity on exactly where he stands on many reads, alien has denied those assertions. He has denied the hedging nature of the content, and denied that his reads lacked clarity (at least in his own mind). This represents a mindstate that I have difficulty buying. I have had the very same impressions of alien's posts that Russ had, and credit to Russ for describing it all in much clearer detail. I think Russ's points are absolutely fair.

Hedging and a lack of clarity don't have to make someone a mafioso. I know of players who are just that way by nature. It's something that gets nutella into trouble a lot, or at least it used to. To just admit to some of that being valid, and to explain one's own natural tendency to cover all the bases, or to examine all angles without always being sure of a read -- I might be able to believe that. I don't know if this is something that would bear out in alien's play elsewhere; perhaps someone who played with him already can pipe in. Instead of that transparency though the response was abject denial of something that I think is blatantly visible in alien's content. It's just there. It doesn't have to doom him, but to say it isn't there is hard to take.

This... is a good point. You're implying that if Alien was town he'd be more able to say "yeah, I guess maybe you're right"?

I will go back and look at both games again. Hold on.

[Tangrowth]

AHHHHHHHH

Example of scum Alien talking to me as town when I started accusing him of his reads being fake:

"Your analysis of me and TK felt biased, your dogpee on me when you said all my reads are fake, I'm not sure I buy that it was just an in the moment blurt out from the Town version of you rather than Mafia you preparing a push on me but changing your mind after seeing people were backing off me (tinfoil read though), your comparison of Slaan's post there with your read on Aby felt like it could be a forced excuse for you to town-read him, and I've never seen you as Mafia but I just imagine you'd be really good at faking genuine-ness so I'm just generally scared of you I guess, and I don't want to award you too many town points for the townie things you do because I can see worlds in which you do those things as Mafia as well, and I know that's probably unfair and I'm sorry about that, it's just the way I feel about you."

[ColinIsCool]

aby, that reminds me. I also don't like Jay's treatment of Kyle. I actually think Kyle looks townier in all of that.

I feel like Jay is almost "fishing" for a suspect at times.

I'm not comfortable giving Kyle civilian credit for the content he has put in this thread. Apart from defending himself and making his typical alignment-neutral sillies, his relevant play has been very limited. We can play "that's Kyle being Kyle" all day, but I don't stand for that terrible mindset. It's exactly the mindset which deliberately pursues with the strategy he has openly employed for his duration on this website (the second time). He's approaching 100 posts, and I have certain expectations for 100 posts. There hasn't been anything that I can grab and say "okay, this is the civilian I have been looking for".

But his tone is pure AF, look at his back and forth with Colin this morning.

If you think that's scum Kyle I don't know what to say.

I feel like this is scum Jay autopilot hunting. Not town Jay trying to figure out whether someone is REALLY town or not hunting.

What about his tone is "pure"?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

it's not important to be town-read until like day 3.

I am going to officially scold you for saying this. You are scolded. Bad Kyle. *whacks with newspaper roll*

This doesn't make you more suspicious. I just recoil from this strategy as though it's spotted with smallpox.

[Tangrowth]

[VOTE: INFECTED_ALIEN8_] aubergine

[Tangrowth]

I actually feel like... I don't know, something is off about Mac and Jay. I can't put my finger on it. But after sleeping on it last night I keep thinking all morning that maybe at least one if not both of them are scum. Their interactions with each other are weird.

Wouldn't it be a fucking legendary move if I caught 2 mafia by not playing the game

It would be something you'd do.

[ColinIsCool]

AHHHHHHHH

Example of scum Alien talking to me as town when I started accusing him of his reads being fake:

"Your analysis of me and TK felt biased, your dogpee on me when you said all my reads are fake, I'm not sure I buy that it was just an in the moment blurt out from the Town version of you rather than Mafia you preparing a push on me but changing your mind after seeing people were backing off me (tinfoil read though), your comparison of Slaan's post there with your read on Aby felt like it could be a forced excuse for you to town-read him, and I've never seen you as Mafia but I just imagine you'd be really good at faking genuine-ness so I'm just generally scared of you I guess, and I don't want to award you too many town points for the townie things you do because I can see worlds in which you do those things as Mafia as well, and I know that's probably unfair and I'm sorry about that, it's just the way I feel about you."

Oof. That's a ringer.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

AHHHHHHHH

Example of scum Alien talking to me as town when I started accusing him of his reads being fake:

"Your analysis of me and TK felt biased, your dogpee on me when you said all my reads are fake, I'm not sure I buy that it was just an in the moment blurt out from the Town version of you rather than Mafia you preparing a push on me but changing your mind after seeing people were backing off me (tinfoil read though), your comparison of Slaan's post there with your read on Aby felt like it could be a forced excuse for you to town-read him, and I've never seen you as Mafia but I just imagine you'd be really good at faking genuine-ness so I'm just generally scared of you I guess, and I don't want to award you too many town points for the townie things you do because I can see worlds in which you do those things as Mafia as well, and I know that's probably unfair and I'm sorry about that, it's just the way I feel about you."

There's certainly a parallel to be extracted. It'd be prudent to see if a similar post can be found in his town MU game. You're probably already doing that.

[ColinIsCool]

Barring an answer to Jay's prompt, that might be enough evidence for me to renege on my no-new-people-day-1 pledge.

[Tangrowth]

*552 posts*

*breathes fire everywhere*

How anyone could think this is within my scum range is beyond me.

Can people talk about this, is M Plus 7 truly quieter when he's scum than Town?

This is to my knowledge MP's "loudest" mafia performance. He may correct me if not. I think the ante may have been upped since this game over two years ago, but if you're asking whether a 2,500 post mafia MP has ever existed the answer would be no. Not yet.

This is correct.

I had 772 posts in that entire game.

I now have 661 and Day 1 isn't even over.

I'm town. Lock it.

[Tangrowth]

AHHHHHHHH

Example of scum Alien talking to me as town when I started accusing him of his reads being fake:

"Your analysis of me and TK felt biased, your dogpee on me when you said all my reads are fake, I'm not sure I buy that it was just an in the moment blurt out from the Town version of you rather than Mafia you preparing a push on me but changing your mind after seeing people were backing off me (tinfoil read though), your comparison of Slaan's post there with your read on Aby felt like it could be a forced excuse for you to town-read him, and I've never seen you as Mafia but I just imagine you'd be really good at faking genuine-ness so I'm just generally scared of you I guess, and I don't want to award you too many town points for the townie things you do because I can see worlds in which you do those things as Mafia as well, and I know that's probably unfair and I'm sorry about that, it's just the way I feel about you."

There's certainly a parallel to be extracted. It'd be prudent to see if a similar post can be found in his town MU game. You're probably already doing that.

I am.

The problem is that Alien was pretty universally town read in Game 9, and then NKed on N3, but I'm still checking because Mexal (lol) and I did throw some shit his way.

[Tangrowth]

My heart feels really sad about the idea of eliminating Alien on D1, but I am increasingly thinking we've caught a scum here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My brain was just smacked with a tinfoil of Mac and sprityo as mafia teammates. Don't mind me, I'll be exploring this in my padded cell.

[Tangrowth]

Short blurb of a brief back and forth (far from heated though) that Alien and I had on Day 3 when we were both town:

"I'd not really thought of that to be honest - I'd compared our verbosity and our similarity with that though. I don't think that's why I'm having weariness of you though."

[Tangrowth]

This isn't foolproof though.

Another town example:

"I haven't done an ISO but from memory I think Asek has had decent points and logic that I could easily follow, but as I said yesterday, the reason I doubt them a bit is because of their reads. I seem to be able to understand where they're coming from a lot, but the difference is that they put certain things down as scum that I dismiss as probably town (e.g. necro) and vice versa (jdarksun). That's what leads me to think they're perhaps Mafia, because it's almost as if they're seeing the logic that I see but trying to drawing different conclusions, and either that's because they just see it differently, or maybe it's because they're scum and trying to strategically place their reads. Since we don't seem to see much differently other than our conclusions, I think it makes sense that we'd see similarly in conclusions as town, if that makes sense. But until Mexal's analysis, I didn't really find anything particularly incriminating besides that. But the progression on jdark has pinged me. I don't disagree with anything Mexal pointed out."

[DharmaHelper]

MP makes a compelling case in favor of voting for alien in whatever game those posts are from.

[Tangrowth]

In response to scum Mexal giving town him some shit:

He asks a lot of smart questions but I don't always get where he's going with the answers and what he actually expects from them that will form his opinion.
Just saw this - if you have any specific instances of where that happened then I'll gladly explain why I thought the answer to that question would be useful. Got to go now though so I'll do it later.

RE not getting true suspicion, what do you mean with that exactly? I've pointed out a lot of things I've found suspicious and had suspects for the entire game. If you mean that I've not felt strongly about anyone for a while then I can agree there.

Note the bolded/underlined. Stark contrast to here and in WC1 when he was scum.

[Tangrowth]

FIXED

In response to scum Mexal giving town him some shit:

He asks a lot of smart questions but I don't always get where he's going with the answers and what he actually expects from them that will form his opinion.

Just saw this - if you have any specific instances of where that happened then I'll gladly explain why I thought the answer to that question would be useful. Got to go now though so I'll do it later.

RE not getting true suspicion, what do you mean with that exactly? I've pointed out a lot of things I've found suspicious and had suspects for the entire game. If you mean that I've not felt strongly about anyone for a while then I can agree there.

Note the bolded/underlined. Stark contrast to here and in WC1 when he was scum.

Oops! Messed this up sorry. Part of that should have been Alien speaking.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Infected_alien8] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Lunalee[/mention], could you remind me of which game(s) in which you were on a mafia team? I want to compare but I can't remember man.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Lunalee

I wanna hear more from you! Specifically, how do you feel about the spirityo v Mac thing? This is a good generic question for anyone to answer, but I've got N O T H I N G on Lunalee so I wanna specifically hear what you have to say.

Hi RobotNerd, thanks for the prompt. I have trouble finding where I should give input in games like this with a lot of experienced players weighing in.

This looks like the post that started it all: A very innocent comment by sprityo about Mac not being actually green on MP's read list.
Here's why MacDougall dislikes sprityo:
Sprityo has avoided heat in ways he probably shouldn't have I want to see examples of this, because I don't see it in sprit's ISO.
sprityo responds to Mac's suspicions by saying "it was a joke" and "I'm bad at mafia"

Then there's Sprit's blow-up post and Mac's reaction to it. At first glance, it honestly looks like two civvs who don't understand each other.

But I can't help but notice how sprityo is reacting to this whole thing. He swings an attack, then immediately backs down, as if hoping to shut it down before Mac can swing back:
swing 1
back-down 1
swing 2
back-down 2

Mac's response to this is steady and forceful. He does not back down. This seems like a more common townie trait. If I had to pick a scum between Mac and Sprityo, I would choose Sprityo.

I'd overlooked this post before. I like it the thorough consideration of Mac and sprityo and the clear conclusion (if there's a scum here, she chooses sprityo). Could you expand though on your statement I've highlighted in yellow? That's an important stance that I don't recall anyone else saying apart from a one-off musing MP comment.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]M Plus 7[/mention], would you say alien's activity level in this game so far better reflects either of his two MU games?

[Tangrowth]

Last notable town Alien quote:

"If I ever did get a conclusion from something I think I've said so after they gave me their answer, but I don't remember a lot of that happening. If a question is satisfactory, a lot of the time it just neutralizes my suspicion for that particular point, it doesn't make me town-read them necessarily. That might not apply to all of my questions but I think as a general rule of thumb it does. Like I said before, if you want to quote specific questions I've asked, I can go through each and tell you my rationale behind them all as well as my thoughts RE the answers, but anything useful I received I think I would have posted those conclusions already."

It's certainly not foolproof, but I do think despite a bit of pause, there is a noticeable difference in how he handles suspicion as town and scum, and that this game looks more like the scum version.

[Tangrowth]

aby, that reminds me. I also don't like Jay's treatment of Kyle. I actually think Kyle looks townier in all of that.

I feel like Jay is almost "fishing" for a suspect at times.

I'm not comfortable giving Kyle civilian credit for the content he has put in this thread. Apart from defending himself and making his typical alignment-neutral sillies, his relevant play has been very limited. We can play "that's Kyle being Kyle" all day, but I don't stand for that terrible mindset. It's exactly the mindset which deliberately pursues with the strategy he has openly employed for his duration on this website (the second time). He's approaching 100 posts, and I have certain expectations for 100 posts. There hasn't been anything that I can grab and say "okay, this is the civilian I have been looking for".

But his tone is pure AF, look at his back and forth with Colin this morning.

If you think that's scum Kyle I don't know what to say.

I feel like this is scum Jay autopilot hunting. Not town Jay trying to figure out whether someone is REALLY town or not hunting.

What about his tone is "pure"?

He reads like a genuine townie with no information and perturbed with the characterizations of his play. He also seems to be trying to honestly assess all of his accusers.

[Tangrowth]

My brain was just smacked with a tinfoil of Mac and sprityo as mafia teammates. Don't mind me, I'll be exploring this in my padded cell.

I've had way too much tinfoil like this myself as you can tell.

I'm back to feeling good about you for now, but I'd still like inside that brain of yours some more too.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Gun-to-head styled binary rainbow:

M Plus 7
abyssum
ColinIsCool
Russtifinko
Tsaiah
DharmaHelper
MacDougall
Lunalee

Kylemii
Infected_alien8
Marmot
RobotNerd277
Turnip Head
sprityo

The groups aren't ordered.

[ColinIsCool]

MP, can you answer your own question about the match-ups and tell us who would be the scum among each?

[Tangrowth]

M Plus 7, would you say alien's activity level in this game so far better reflects either of his two MU games?

I'm not sure there's anything meaningful to be discerned there.

In WC1 (he was scum), he posted 432 times and died Day 4.

In G9 (he was town), he posted 233 and died Night 3.

Some of his G9 posts were definitely longer walls, so I'd say the activity was rather similar.

[Tangrowth]

Gun-to-head styled binary rainbow:

M Plus 7
abyssum
ColinIsCool
Russtifinko
Tsaiah
DharmaHelper
MacDougall
Lunalee

Kylemii
Infected_alien8
Marmot
RobotNerd277
Turnip Head
sprityo

The groups aren't ordered.

Explain the DH placement please.

Otherwise I think we're mostly on the same page here, other than Kyle and maaaaaybe sprityo but he'd be in my upper POE at this point.

[Infected_alien8_]

You can refer to my response to his post to see why I'm saying his two-colour thing is biased and misrepresenting by the way

I see it, but i just don't see the bias. There is a lot of hedging going on in your posts.

Hedging, sure. But his analysis of my posts reduces them to 'here's a point for and here's a point against' when that doesn't apply. For example saying "I can see your perspective but I disagree", in his analysis, is apparently a net worth of 0 opinion and those points neutralize each other, but they don't. Saying I understand their perspective isn't saying I agree, it's saying I understand, so they know I'm getting them but still disagreeing. If anything that's more of a disagreement than 'I don't get what you mean but I disagree' because here at least I'm showing I know exactly what they mean but I still think they're wrong.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I experienced the most cognitive dissonance on:

RobotNerd
Kylemii
MacDougall
Lunalee

If time permits I will dedicate more focus on these individuals soon.

[Infected_alien8_]

Does Kyle usually ask a lot of questions? Like, maybe it’s the alcohol but this pinged me:

players who know infected alien, how would you characterize their civ gameplay? mafia gameplay?

do they often go out of their way to weigh in on things, both positively and negatively? is there a correlation to alignment or is it a consistent behavior across the board

When I’m scum I frequently will pose questions not necessarily related to anything in the thread that are juuuuust relevant enough to make it look like I’m attempting to solve. That’s what this post felt like.

colin I would like to hear your thoughts on the fact that asking questions to get a feel for shit in the early phases is literally a well known trademark of my gameplay, whenever you get the chance

My only response is that you yourself admit you have a meta tailored for making it easier on you as scum, so it's hard for me to assign townie points to the behavior either way. My point was that it's a scum calling card of my own, and one you may possibly be using.

that makes zero sense. your scum tendencies are not my scum tendencies. and questions aren't just a tailored strategy for dampening my civ meta to be achievable as mafia, they're actually a useful tool for understanding shit.

i also don't care about your townie points, it's not important to be town-read until like day 3.

This posts pings me. It's like he's trying so hard to act like he doesn't care about being town-read that he's going too far the other way. I don't get why a Townie doesn't think it matters to be town-read until day 3. As a townie surely you care about being mislynched?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Explain the DH placement please.

We've come full circle. DH is a prideful player, and while that hasn't often been visible in this game, a large part of me suspects it would be more visible by now if he was a bad guy. The other arrogant ass in the game has spent days hounding him, and that represents a challenge of honor. His disinterest in that may just reflect general disinterest instead of fear or uncertainty.

[DharmaHelper]

Explain the DH placement please.

We've come full circle. DH is a prideful player, and while that hasn't often been visible in this game, a large part of me suspects it would be more visible by now if he was a bad guy. The other arrogant ass in the game has spent days hounding him, and that represents a challenge of honor. His disinterest in that may just reflect general disinterest instead of fear or uncertainty.

[Infected_alien8_]

colin...... are those really things that you believe?

This also pings me because it's like asking a question for the sake of it. I don't understand what answer he'd get from that that would be useful.

[Tangrowth]

MP, can you answer your own question about the match-ups and tell us who would be the scum among each?

Absolutely. I was intending to but just haven't gotten around to it yet, LOL.

After this I'll post my new reads list, then I better go again -- or at least shift to reading only mode so other players can actually catch up. I don't want to drown everyone out. Each of these is listed from MOST (1) to LEAST (4) likely.

Jay v. DH
1. town v. town -- 70%
2. town Jay v. scum DH -- 20%
3. scum Jay v. town DH -- 9%
4. scum v. scum -- 1%

Mac v. sprityo
1. town Mac v. scum sprityo -- 45%
2. town v. town -- 35%
3. scum v. scum -- 15%
4. scum Mac v. town sprityo -- 5%

Kyle v. Colin
1. town v. town -- 55%
2. town Kyle v. scum Colin -- 40%
3. scum v. scum -- 4%
4. scum Kyle v. town Colin -- 1%

Alien v. Russ
1. town Russ v. scum Alien -- 90%
2. scum v. scum -- 9%
3. scum Russ v. town Alien -- <1%
4. town v. town -- <1%

[Infected_alien8_]

@In[mention]Infected_alien8_[/mention]

Alien talk to me more about Mac. You had some reactions to him where you said you felt like he knew I was town. Why is your final conclusion on him your weakest town? I want to get in your head a bit more here.

Actually that completely slipped my mind, that's a good point, there was a post of his that seemed to assume you were Town. I think it's fairly minor because he could just believe you're Town that strongly but that's another thing that I'm a bit suspicious about.

[Infected_alien8_]

Luna, what's your reads list look like now? Let's talk about something.

Sure we can chat, but I don't feel like making a rainbow list right now. Maybe later.
I'm pretty sure you're town, so I am open to hearing your opinions on people, since you've played with some of the folks before and I haven't. Also you should trust me, I have been nothing but my usual town self this game.

Why do you think he's Town?

He's just too town to not be town. Does that make any since?

Can you be more specific? What about him is town exactly?

God help me, but I will go through his ISO and quote why I think he's town. I may not be back for a while.

LOL. Nah. I can't trust MP's super-town act. I really, really want to, but there's no way I can trust it.

Huh? Why the 180?

[Tangrowth]

Explain the DH placement please.

We've come full circle. DH is a prideful player, and while that hasn't often been visible in this game, a large part of me suspects it would be more visible by now if he was a bad guy. The other arrogant ass in the game has spent days hounding him, and that represents a challenge of honor. His disinterest in that may just reflect general disinterest instead of fear or uncertainty.

I think I agree. I like his tone.

[Infected_alien8_]

Spoiler: show

My thoughts on everyone who has posted so far (in reverse alphabetical order):

I like Turnip Head for now. He's active and concise. I can keep up with his posts.
Tsaiah is on the "buddy MP" train. But has contributed a good bit for day 0. I'm keeping my eye on him.
Sprityo has come into the thread with nothing but questions about the game, and empty commentary on what's happening. I don't like his look.
Russtifinko is engaging with the thread and actually attempting to scum-hunt. He looking good.
MP needs to chill. I'm not going to read all your posts buddy. I don't have a read on you either. MP is playing super excited townie, which could also be a cover act if he's mafia.
No real read on Marmot yet. He seems like a typical day 0 player so far
Mac's first post looks like he's buddying MP. But then he later completely retracts that. Mac seems very convinced that he's town, and I don't have a reason to argue that yet.
Kylemii has only talked about his own meta, and cracked jokes. If he's town, he'd better start actually trying on day 1.
I like JJJ. He looks town to me.
Infected_alien is giving off a "commentary vibe" in his posts. Not too many actual opinions, but looks like he's adding something. I don't like it.
I feel like DH is the only sane person here, and I like his posts. I don't have an alignment read on him yet, but I'm keeping my eye on him.
Colin thinks Alien's hunting looks genuine. Am I missing something? Other than that, Colin hasn't added much to the thread. Slightly bad read.
abyssum has been very "careful" with their posts. They almost look too good. I don't trust them yet.

Lunalee, just fwiw, I'm a she. :3

What do you mean, exactly, about Aby being "careful" with their posts, how did "they almost look too good" to you, at that point?

Right, sorry I knew you were female, and forgot. :3
I was sort of skimming Aby's posts and don't remember exactly what I saw to make me feel that way. I'm going to take another look though....
At my second go-through, Aby actually looks pretty good. I'm willing to give them a town read for now and keep my eye on their opinions of other players.

Can you elaborate more on why aby looks good?