Mega Man Mafia [ENDGAME]

[speedchuck]

I have a few ideas but I’m literally just about to leave for work so don’t have time to go into anything.

Throw some names out as soon as you get the chance. I'm not anywhere close to being set in stone with my reads.

Keep going back and forth on Sloonei, even, and I don't know if it's the emotional/meta card or a genuine tone from him.

[Dyslexicon]

I want to respond to this post before I go as well, even though I already addressed speedchuck's followup to it.

I have a tendency when I'm being misread to insist that my accusers are simply not thinking along the lines they should be toward me. I don't like it when people suspect me and sometimes I have trouble believing it can really happen. In sprityo's case, I see him saying a whole bunch of things about what my scum motivation would be, but I don't see a regard for what my town motivations would be. That is what I meant when I said he hadn't considered my position; it seemed, at the time, like he was only looking at my posts through the lens of me being bad. I wanted him to also look through the lens of me being good.

I'm the same way. I act upon this whether or not I'm actually town though. This doesn't say anything about your alignment to me.

Also, to clarify on my Mac stance again: I said his suspicion of me had no "clear point of origin", and I stand by that, because it seemed like he entered the thread with me as a suspect. I also suggested that he had no case, because never articulated anything specific. He just pointed at posts I made and said "This guy's bad." I stand by this because... that's exactly what he did. It doesn't mean I see his suspicion as invalid, it just means I grew extremely frustrated with it (the suspicion, not Mac as a person. I could never do that ) because there was nothing I could do about it, but because Mac is a vocal player with a strong personality and track record, the suspicion was able to spread with relative ease, and as a result I feel like I've been fighting against a case (Mac's) that doesn't really exist all game long. Other people have made cases, but the origin always seems to be Mac, who never made a case. I do not doubt that there could be baddies trying to seize on the suspicion against me, and that's also playing into my strong reaction against these cases.

K, my suspicion of you has very little to do with Mac, especially from when he was alive. I don't even remember much of his posts. I think others commented that him not really explaining his reads is normal though. Also, Mac was not the only one being suspicious of you. Jimmeey also voiced suspicion (or lack of trust), Nut and more. Here's my biggest problem with you right now: You seem very manipulative and slippery. You're spending a lot of time defending yourself, and l don't see the drive to solve the game. You say stuff that is plausible, but I don't see it reflected in the actual thread. You say you're having a strong reaction to the suspicions of you because you don't doubt there could be baddies trying to seize on the suspicion against you. But I don't actually see any "strong reaction". I've seen you say your judgement could be clouded when it comes to Sprit and that you don't know. The reaction you've been having is defense and explaining yourself, not sussing out who's doing what for which reasons in regards to you. It doesn't have a texture that I would describe as strong. It feels manipulative and slippery. It actually feels a lot like I imagine I come across as scum.

I wanted to see if I could get sprit to reference "Mac's case" earlier just to see if he was really full of shit. He didn't bite.

So you're claiming it was a trap?

Have speedchuck and luna ever been bad together?

What's the point of this question? What do you want to gain from this? If you ask me, I have no idea. This seems like pure deflection to me.

Do you have any players that you feel are very likely to be town right now?

[Dyslexicon]

Mac identified points which he found suspicious. He never articulated what his reasons were. I was hoping sprit would be able to pull up a few of them and offer his input as to why those things would be bad, seeing as he seems to have been using Mac's suspicion of me as a major point in his case.

No, he wasn't, as far as I can understand. He was using the fact that Mac suspected you as a (the) major point. Not Mac's reasoning or lack thereof. You asking him to elaborate or use Mac's reasoning and at the same time claiming Mac didn't really have any looks disingenuous to me, especially when that wasn't really Sprit's point in the first place. Does that make sense?

I didn't kill Mac and I sure as hell didn't kill Jay. I would especially never do the latter. There's no fun in that. I would campaign hard behind the scenes to leave Jay in the game for an extra day or two, JUST SAYING.

K, cool. I don't even know who killed Jimmeeey. I don't know what to do with this.

One of the last things I did before I left was to declare Bullzeye a tentative town read. Now he leads the poll. Why?

It has been explained from the voters. Why did you declare Bullz as tentative town again?

[Dyslexicon]

Posted my posts to Spoons in the wrong order, but that probably doesn't matter.

I'm very much not convinced by Spoons. I like Spoons, but he may be a spork this game.

[speedchuck]

I didn't kill Mac and I sure as hell didn't kill Jay. I would especially never do the latter. There's no fun in that. I would campaign hard behind the scenes to leave Jay in the game for an extra day or two, JUST SAYING.

K, cool. I don't even know who killed Jimmeeey. I don't know what to do with this.

It's true. We don't necessarily know that mafia killed JJJ.
Likely enough, but uncertain.

[Dyslexicon]

Regarding Luna: I haven't really read their posts all that carefully. I don't hate the case on her. The worst thing for her was that she seemed to look at lynch options from the perspective of "town that deserves to get lynched", which is very much a scum mindset. The only good thing I have for her was that she mentioned a set of low posters as a possible pool of suspects (player salad, I believe you call it?), but she didn't include White. If I was scum, I would not hesitate to include all town players I could in order to open the door for them to get lynched. This is minor though, cause it may come down to play style, and that it may not be normal here to advocate or talk about suspicion on a totally inactive player. I do get the sense that Luna could be the type of player that is prone to getting mislynched, just like Eloh. Tell me if I'm wrong about this. I could also see a scenario where Spoons is seeing the writing on the wall, and wants to distance from Luna as hard as possible before he or she is going down. But that is a more elaborate theory, and therefore more likely to be wrong.

I want to hear what Luna thinks of the suspicion against her.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm going to see how this feels.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

Jack, can you talk to me about this? To me Nova read like he genuinely didn't want to get lynched. How is that alignment indicative?

[speedchuck]

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I’ve never actually played a Mega Man game. Never heard anything bad about the franchise, it’s just one of those that I never got around to.

Hi Bullzeye! I haven't played with you before either. Tell me something about yourself.

Hi! Yeah this is my first game since September 2016 so it's been a while since I played at all, unsurprisingly there's a fair few people I've not played with before in this game. I don't believe anyone ever truly quits mafia though, and I'd been having the urge to come back for a while. I never really know what to say when people ask me to tell them something about myself!

It's true. I know nothing about Bullseye, and vice versa. That makes my read slightly less dependable.

Wow this thread got busy quick. That'll teach me to go to bed on time and then spend most of the day outside.

holy shit bullzeye is here

Holy shit, where?

So, what are we dealing with here? Closed setup, and we don't even know which roles are on the bad team.

So, what is the method of catching someone on Day 1? Ask questions and hope someone slips up?

Create a whirlwind of a thread by facilitating maximal activity. Ask questions, make comments, and hurl accusations at every opportunity. The thread needs to be a pressured and even stressful environment.

I ain’t got no time fo’ dat today so y’all get busy.

Pressure and stress? Here I was thinking games are meant to be fun and enjoyable.

Very initial first impression of the thread: Jay feels off, don't know why though

Probably trying to avoid the obvious conclusion that he was recruited.

Why is it obvious Jay would be recruited? The sign-up thread mentions that the baddies recruit roles, not players.

How many bad robots do we think there are?

Somewhere between 1 and 24.

It was a nice quiet Day 0. Nothing happened.

Jay said this, which can mean one of two things:
Something happened to him on Day 0
OR
Nothing happened to him on Day 0.

OR
Something happened to someone else on Day 0.

I wish something had happened to me on Day 0...

Hi everyone, we’re here to have a fun time and be friendly to eachother, right?! Let’s do our best to have a beautiful day

My day is already ruined... I failed to catch a Mewtwo during the Pokemon Go community day, which is the one day of the month my town has enough people playing at the same time to make legendary raids viable.

I'll resist the urge to get into the technical definition of reploid (pings me a bit that it was used, but it's probably just an honest mistake).

Assume it wasn't an honest mistake and elaborate, please. I'm intrigued.

I'll resist the urge to get into the technical definition of reploid (pings me a bit that it was used, but it's probably just an honest mistake).

do you mean ping in a legitimate sense or like in a pet peeve sense

reploids and mavericks seem like convenient words for defining good and bad robots in this game since the original games don't have any real provided terminology or plot (as far as I know?) and the definition at least loosely applies since reploids are defined by their free will and mavericks are defined by being robo-jerks

From what I've now played of the original games so far they don't seem to have much of anything other than difficulty. Beginning to understand where the phrase "Nintendo Hard" comes from.

How many bad robots do we think there are?

Good way of look at whether people read the rules or not.

This isn't a closed setup, dude. It's an open setup with most details hidden.

I was beginning to think I was the only person who had done this!

Light doesn't recruit. Just Wiley. The reason I know this is that I didn't get notified Wiley recruited me. The reason you don't know this...

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

"Thomas Light receives the remaining Robot Masters as civilian Robot Masters. The civilians win by eliminating Dr. Wily and his Robot Masters."

Read the freaking rules, dude.

And yes, I know I said recruited instead of received. Don't care.

I think LC has a solid point there. I also think Speedchuck does.

Lots of my initial suspicion pings came from this post.

Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

I had thought about this as well but wasn't sure if it was worth bringing up. LC (in my opinion) is generally a smart player who wouldn't need to ask those kinds of questions. I've been bad with him once before in the Monty Python game where he basically carried our team to victory even after we lost two members super early and I got outed halfway through the game.

Bullzeye's big catch-up post just now establishes his presence in this game, but it doesn't offer much in terms of content. Do you have any reads or thoughts about any specific players in the game yet, Bullzeye?
welcome back

I take time to establish myself in games and one of the ways I try to get a good grip on everything is to just say unimportant stuff to get myself out there and work my way into conversations. As mentioned, I think the point about LC holds some weight. I would like to revisit some of the discussion around the recruitment mechanic from this morning, that could be interesting. Given that most players were neither baddies nor civs for the first 24 hours, people couldn't immediately start plotting and planting ideas to return to later like in normal games so I think this will force people to play differently. I have a point here but I'm struggling to find the words so I'll try to come back to it later.

I keep getting stuck in linki but I'm posting this anyway.

Meandering around making any solid points. Could be meta.

Also, Sloonei, to your question of if I have thoughts about specific players. I didn't mention it explicitly when I quoted this post:

Very initial first impression of the thread: Jay feels off, don't know why though

Probably trying to avoid the obvious conclusion that he was recruited.

But I found it a bit shifty. Something to keep an eye on.

It's something.

Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

I had thought about this as well but wasn't sure if it was worth bringing up. LC (in my opinion) is generally a smart player who wouldn't need to ask those kinds of questions. I've been bad with him once before in the Monty Python game where he basically carried our team to victory even after we lost two members super early and I got outed halfway through the game.

Is this to say LC wouldn't need to, or even be able to, feign ignorance like this on Day 1 of a game if he's bad?

Yes. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

It's going to sound super lame but I think I'm really rusty after not playing for so long. My communication skills may not be 100% for the first couple of days until I get back into the swing of things.

Bullzeye's big catch-up post just now establishes his presence in this game, but it doesn't offer much in terms of content. Do you have any reads or thoughts about any specific players in the game yet, Bullzeye?
welcome back

I take time to establish myself in games and one of the ways I try to get a good grip on everything is to just say unimportant stuff to get myself out there and work my way into conversations. As mentioned, I think the point about LC holds some weight. I would like to revisit some of the discussion around the recruitment mechanic from this morning, that could be interesting. Given that most players were neither baddies nor civs for the first 24 hours, people couldn't immediately start plotting and planting ideas to return to later like in normal games so I think this will force people to play differently. I have a point here but I'm struggling to find the words so I'll try to come back to it later.

I keep getting stuck in linki but I'm posting this anyway.

Any posts in particular that stand out to you? You're right about the Day 0 mechanic turning this into a bit of choppy start. We essentially played 24 hours where everyone was nothing. But I think things are happening now.

Things are definitely picking up! I plan to have a proper look back through the early day 1 stuff, am trying to currently but I keep wanting to respond to the current conversation instead!

Egh. Not much here.

Also, Sloonei, to your question of if I have thoughts about specific players. I didn't mention it explicitly when I quoted this post:

Very initial first impression of the thread: Jay feels off, don't know why though

Probably trying to avoid the obvious conclusion that he was recruited.

But I found it a bit shifty. Something to keep an eye on.

Are you keeping an eye on Jack or Jay? Why?

Jack. Because it's an "obvious conclusion" Jay would be a recruit. Sure, if the baddies were choosing players rather than roles they might like to pick someone with the reputation of Jay but that's not the case. It seems to me like something a baddie might say to cast doubt on someone they wanted rid of without having to go all out. Does that make sense?

No need to apologize if you feel you have rust to shake off, Bullzeye. That's going to be a natural feeling after such a long break. Also, don't let my interrogation do anything to discourage you! I just ask loads of questions and try to get things into the thread as thoroughly as possible for my own sake. you do you, I appreciate your input so far.

You're not discouraging, this is actually quite helpful

I think Bullzeye legitimately misunderstood Jack's post here. The "obvious conclusion" wasn't used in a way to say "obviously JJJ would be scum", but instead "obviously, if you think something is different or off about JJJ, the conclusion you're avoiding is that he's scum"

Comments showing ignorance of the recruitment mechanic are listed below. First, a particularly noteworthy post from the signup thread.

For anybody wondering, the main mechanic is a recruitment: Most of the players will not begin as good or bad. Light and Wily will recruit roles. Wily will find out his mafia team of players gradually as they join BTSC. Light will not know his civilian team at all.

I remember it because it's what convinced me to sign up, recruitment being one of my favourite mechanics. I'll not bother quoting the opening post of the game that shows the main baddie picks four people to join his team during Day 0.

Is this actually recruitment mafia? Been a few mentions of it but I've read nothing in thread to suggest it.

The above comments make this question sound crazy.

So, what are we dealing with here? Closed setup, and we don't even know which roles are on the bad team.

So, what is the method of catching someone on Day 1? Ask questions and hope someone slips up?

Create a whirlwind of a thread by facilitating maximal activity. Ask questions, make comments, and hurl accusations at every opportunity. The thread needs to be a pressured and even stressful environment.

I ain’t got no time fo’ dat today so y’all get busy.

When do you think the decisions on recruitment were made?

Going back to the LC discussion I find this to be one of the stranger questions he asks, because everyone knows when the decisions were made. Maybe not to the minute, but we can narrow it down to a specific 24 hour period.

How many bad robots do we think there are?

Odd question considering it's pretty clearly four. Or five, if the recruiting bad guy is also a robot looking for robot friends. Either way, strange thing to ask.

I think there's merit to the idea of baddies feigning ignorance about the recruitment setup in order to appear innocent. Honestly, Quin's comment above strikes me as the most suspicious.

Oh now he knows how many robots there are. And also recognizes that feigning ignorance could be a mafia thing.
He's right about Quin's comment looking weird.

Comments showing ignorance of the recruitment mechanic are listed below. First, a particularly noteworthy post from the signup thread.

For anybody wondering, the main mechanic is a recruitment: Most of the players will not begin as good or bad. Light and Wily will recruit roles. Wily will find out his mafia team of players gradually as they join BTSC. Light will not know his civilian team at all.

I remember it because it's what convinced me to sign up, recruitment being one of my favourite mechanics. I'll not bother quoting the opening post of the game that shows the main baddie picks four people to join his team during Day 0.

By people I do of course mean roles. Roles that are assigned to people.

“The sign-up thread mentions that the baddies recruit roles, not players.”

Is this for real a thing? Bull is also posting outdated rules like Light recruitment. Setup kinda unclear.

Am I? I don't remember talking about Light at all.

“The sign-up thread mentions that the baddies recruit roles, not players.”

Is this for real a thing? Bull is also posting outdated rules like Light recruitment. Setup kinda unclear.

Am I? I don't remember talking about Light at all.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 18#p483918

Fair enough, I suppose Light recruiting is mentioned in the quote I posted. In context though it's not really relevant to the argument I was trying to make. Do you not think it's likely that any baddies would pretend not to understand the mechanics of the game as a means of trying to avoid suspicion?

Did [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] ever respond to this?

Comments showing ignorance of the recruitment mechanic are listed below. First, a particularly noteworthy post from the signup thread.

For anybody wondering, the main mechanic is a recruitment: Most of the players will not begin as good or bad. Light and Wily will recruit roles. Wily will find out his mafia team of players gradually as they join BTSC. Light will not know his civilian team at all.

I remember it because it's what convinced me to sign up, recruitment being one of my favourite mechanics. I'll not bother quoting the opening post of the game that shows the main baddie picks four people to join his team during Day 0.

Is this actually recruitment mafia? Been a few mentions of it but I've read nothing in thread to suggest it.

The above comments make this question sound crazy.

So, what are we dealing with here? Closed setup, and we don't even know which roles are on the bad team.

So, what is the method of catching someone on Day 1? Ask questions and hope someone slips up?

Create a whirlwind of a thread by facilitating maximal activity. Ask questions, make comments, and hurl accusations at every opportunity. The thread needs to be a pressured and even stressful environment.

I ain’t got no time fo’ dat today so y’all get busy.

When do you think the decisions on recruitment were made?

Going back to the LC discussion I find this to be one of the stranger questions he asks, because everyone knows when the decisions were made. Maybe not to the minute, but we can narrow it down to a specific 24 hour period.

How many bad robots do we think there are?

Odd question considering it's pretty clearly four. Or five, if the recruiting bad guy is also a robot looking for robot friends. Either way, strange thing to ask.

I think there's merit to the idea of baddies feigning ignorance about the recruitment setup in order to appear innocent. Honestly, Quin's comment above strikes me as the most suspicious.

Straight up didn't see it. Did a CTRL+F search for 'recruit' and everything. Put it down to classic Quin incompetence

This just sounds really fake. I'm actually going to put my vote on you, at least for now, because of how shady I think this sounds. I'm only just starting to catch up now though so maybe something else will change my mind over the next few pages.

*Votes Quin*

I don't know how to do the fancy new way people are announcing their votes. Sorry if it's mandatory now, wasn't done at all last time I played.

It's like a quote/OT/sarc/dead/whatever tag, but you type 'vote' in the brackets.

Well, that lynch wasn’t ideal. I’m out most of today and will be driving at night by myself for the first time ever later, if I survive the journey home from Wales I’ll try to contribute more.

I can’t believe we all managed to sleep through an entire day like that!

Which ping from Bullzeye are you calling forced ignorance?

The 1-24 player bit.

If it's cheekiness, that part is null-ish. But for someone saying "I read the rules" you'd thik he'd just say 4, like a reasonable person who read the roles.

I'll get you in a minute, Jack

I'm a very sarcastic person.

Granted, I kind of handed this answer to him. But it could be the reason for that post.

I know he's low activity but I want reads on Bullzeye.

I think he said he was driving alone at night and that's literally the last thing I remember him saying, so like, I hope that story has a mundane ending

Given how often he's been active here without posting since then, I'd wager he's either okay or a very devoted ghost.

I'm not just a ghost. I'm a superhero ghost.

He technically explained this.

I see nothing in Bullzeye's Day 1 behavior that makes him a desirable lynch candidate, but I also see nothing from him that can be qualified as Day 3 activity.

Rich coming from someone who was completely absent during day 2.

But seriously I'm reading through way back in the thread right now and will start to make something resembling real posts soon. This week has been busier than I thought it would be and games haven't been a priority.

The heck is this?

Analysis post part 1:
Bullzeye gives his reason for voting Quin. He dislikes Quin's questions, and even after Quin provides a valid response, Bullzeye responds with basically "I'm going to say your response looks fake because I'm so set on voting for you." Not the best look.

This is such a generic criticism that it could be applied to nearly every vote in nearly every game ever. The majority of votes happen because one person suspects another and that person's responses don't satisfy the accuser. What one person finds valid, another might not. I didn't find his explanation believable.

He's not wrong.

Just checking in before work, love how I’m being set up for an easy bandwagon by a bunch of people who know nothing about me. I also don’t see how it’s okay to point out someone is online and reading the thread when their activity is set to hidden. I often check from my phone and hate posting from it so tend not to, and specifically chose to not show as online so that people couldn’t act like that means anything.

I don't feel super strong about this case at the moment. There's a lot of fluff to the posting, but it's fluff that could be attributed to uncertainty and being surrounded by new players. I do have a few scum pings, but not a whole lot.

Bullzeye's entire ISO is here, basically, from day 1 onward. Are there scum pings I'm missing?

I've got time to look at other players today because I'm sick. We'll see what I find.

[Dyslexicon]

Speed: "Rich coming from someone who was completely absent during day 2." - It's a joke. A rather funny joke. There was no D2.

[Turnip Head]

Speedchuck you are pinging me in all the right places so far. It's unsettling

Can you talk more about this? I'm interested. It seems that you have some reads that goes against the grain. Are you committed to getting these players lynched? I don't see a lot of effort to convince others. I don't know your play style or anything, so this is more of an observation. I'm very much interested in hearing your thoughts about Speed and if your LC suspicion exist still.

It stems mostly from how speedchuck assembled his reads list.

It started here:

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Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Working on a list.

So he starts with only some town reads, which is like, okay, some people process their thoughts like that. No yellow or orange reads yet which means that there was nothing pressing on his mind about bad guys yet.

Twenty minutes later, it looks like this:

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Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Updated list.

Only two more civ reads given out, for Kyle and sprityo. But sprityo is colored a brighter shade of green, and he revises his coloring of JackofHearts2005 to match the sprityo color. Looking back at the context of the thread, Jack and sprityo were the two players that speedchuck was currently interacting with in between his first list and his second one.

Keeping all this in mind, all other names are colored either the yellow or the orange color and it looks slightly haphazard. Simon stands alone with his own shade of yellow on Speedchuck's list, this gives an unearned sense of depth to the list imo, as if Speed has thoughts about Simon that he's not sharing, which feels disingenuous because Simon's not exactly lighting up the thread with posts. It feels like a fake read.

His read on Luna feels a little fake here too, yellow. Speed and Luna are married iirc and they usually have some interaction with each other, if he had her as yellow I'd expect some heavier thoughts about it, but he's mostly avoided the topic of Luna, as you can see here.

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Hot Take ™: At least two of the following are bad: Jack, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, Speed.

I mean, yeah prolly. Why is this a thing?

Chuck sounds kinda scared of nutella here Why did he want to comment on this? It feels like he was provoked by this post yet is trying to downplay his reaction to it.

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ok so I see sprityo vs sloonei as town on town. I think sprit is reading too much into sloonei's perspective. It makes sense to me that Sloonei would be cognizant of his own position and gameplay, and what might be happening in relation to himself. The fact that Sloonei brought it up in the thread makes me less likely to suspect him, while it seems to have made sprit more likely to suspect him, so we diverge there.

I also disagree with Jackofhearts2005's read of speed. I think speed is tapped into the pulse of the thread, but I think he's doing so from a baddie angle. I don't like the progression of his reads list, and if I can figure out how to articulate why, I will do so.

I haven't really tried to justify my reads until asked. If you want clarification or if you do have questions to articulate, let me know. I won't defend myself, but I will be happy explain anything you find confusing or weird. If you want.

I'd like to know how your Sprityo read progressed, though. Please.

"I won't defend myself" sounds like a buzz phrase that Speedchuck is trying to knock off his Bad Bot Bingo board.

[Turnip Head]

His Bullz case also looks pretty fluff for how lengthy it is. Looks like busy work.

[speedchuck]

His Bullz case also looks pretty fluff for how lengthy it is. Looks like busy work.

Did you read the case?

That was the whole point.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It’s possible Mega Man’s lynch triggered the skipped phase.

I’m working under this assumption. Princesses are nearly always town and Mega Man is a beloved character and one of only two surefire townies.

but most roles with nonpublic powers are recruitable, making a recruitable role have a negative utility power like a princess would be kind of weird wouldn't it? how would that even work?

It wouldn’t. Mega Man isn’t recruitable.

[Bullzeye]

Just checking in before work, love how I’m being set up for an easy bandwagon by a bunch of people who know nothing about me. I also don’t see how it’s okay to point out someone is online and reading the thread when their activity is set to hidden. I often check from my phone and hate posting from it so tend not to, and specifically chose to not show as online so that people couldn’t act like that means anything.

Does not knowing you invalidate the suspicion? I admit I know nothing about you or your play style, but you do come across as suspicious to me. But more than that, I really want more content from you. What do you think of the votes on you? What's your take on Spoons? Who do you want to get lynched? All of it. When you have the time.

Your second post in the game was to vote for me and you seemed pretty confident in it at the time. The only real elaboration you gave is that I "write like scumz write". I don't remember if we've ever played a game together before (don't think so) but if we had you'd probably be able to tell that I just write like me. I don't really like being a civ because when I started playing I was either bad, eventually recruited, or an indy with btsc for my first 10 or so games. I learned to play as a baddie and by the time I got to be town for any significant length of time it was too late for me to learn to be anything but evil. I think like a baddie even when I'm not one. It's helpful in some ways, less so in others. Perhaps that's why you think I write like one but I feel like if you were a bit more familiar with me you'd probably think differently.

I'm not 100% on who Spoons is. I think maybe Sloonei based on context? I'm back and forth on him, I've had some bad vibes and some good ones. Could easily re-read and get a more solid opinion.

[Lunalee]

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Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

This post ignores any possible subtlety and other motivations for question-asking, and leaps straight to "false ignorance or genuine ignorance, either way I'll vote for him". The goal is more to create a weird, confusing target than anything else. Not a good look.

Also, lynching speedchuck on day one is just straight up lazy. Come on people, we can do better than that.

I agree that things ought to be shaken up. Let's see where your Long Con thing takes us.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I thought you promised to vote for me today.

Sloonei/Luna w/w just struck me here. Friendly non-distancing distancing.

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Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

This is sketchy, and a stretch, on the reread. It's a sktretch.

It's more wishy-washy and noncommittal than water. Are you trying to be Switzerland here? Are you trying to catch baddies or be Involved In A Discussion? You cast a vote, which I can only assume is supposed to look like pressure, and then you proceed to post with as little pressure as possible on me.

And, I just have to focus on this sexy piece of blather: "This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up." Disappointed us when it wasn't a revelation-filled-look-at-past-games kind of pattern, but just you saying you see some pattern in the four posts Luna quoted. I can look at the horse picture behind my monitors and see, in the horse group, black-black-white-black-black-black-white, and yeah that's a possible pattern, and no it doesn't mean anything. PLUS, now it's maybe-suspicious in your world to move from ignorance to understanding as time progresses? Or are you Billy Pilgrim, displaced in time and confused about how I could have understanding at one point in time, and also have ignorance at another? We live in a linear world, buddy. Also, I was never ignorant of the answers to my questions, just to reiterate.

So you claim you were attempting to set scum traps with your questions? Or just get discussion flowing? If the latter, I would rather have discussions about players and their posts and reads, than game mechanics. Discussing mechanics is always a good distraction from the more important discussions at hand.

Shallow inquisition and platitudes, still unimpressed.

Eloh thinks i’m good and bad at the same time

Sounds like a very townie mindset. Eloh I mean.

Defending the Civ who is most under fire is a good look... to invent for yourself.

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Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?



So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

Low Player Salad, not the worst case of Salad I have seen, but excessive. Speedchuck was low/lazy?

... Luna's last analysis post is good follow-up at least. Some suspicion, I'll follow that vote. [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

You think Sloonei and I are scum-mates, so what makes you vote me over Sloonei?

[nutella]

Speedchuck you are pinging me in all the right places so far. It's unsettling

Can you talk more about this? I'm interested. It seems that you have some reads that goes against the grain. Are you committed to getting these players lynched? I don't see a lot of effort to convince others. I don't know your play style or anything, so this is more of an observation. I'm very much interested in hearing your thoughts about Speed and if your LC suspicion exist still.

It stems mostly from how speedchuck assembled his reads list.

It started here:

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Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Working on a list.

So he starts with only some town reads, which is like, okay, some people process their thoughts like that. No yellow or orange reads yet which means that there was nothing pressing on his mind about bad guys yet.

Twenty minutes later, it looks like this:

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Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Updated list.

Only two more civ reads given out, for Kyle and sprityo. But sprityo is colored a brighter shade of green, and he revises his coloring of JackofHearts2005 to match the sprityo color. Looking back at the context of the thread, Jack and sprityo were the two players that speedchuck was currently interacting with in between his first list and his second one.

Keeping all this in mind, all other names are colored either the yellow or the orange color and it looks slightly haphazard. Simon stands alone with his own shade of yellow on Speedchuck's list, this gives an unearned sense of depth to the list imo, as if Speed has thoughts about Simon that he's not sharing, which feels disingenuous because Simon's not exactly lighting up the thread with posts. It feels like a fake read.

His read on Luna feels a little fake here too, yellow. Speed and Luna are married iirc and they usually have some interaction with each other, if he had her as yellow I'd expect some heavier thoughts about it, but he's mostly avoided the topic of Luna, as you can see here.

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Hot Take ™: At least two of the following are bad: Jack, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, Speed.

I mean, yeah prolly. Why is this a thing?

Chuck sounds kinda scared of nutella here Why did he want to comment on this? It feels like he was provoked by this post yet is trying to downplay his reaction to it.

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ok so I see sprityo vs sloonei as town on town. I think sprit is reading too much into sloonei's perspective. It makes sense to me that Sloonei would be cognizant of his own position and gameplay, and what might be happening in relation to himself. The fact that Sloonei brought it up in the thread makes me less likely to suspect him, while it seems to have made sprit more likely to suspect him, so we diverge there.

I also disagree with Jackofhearts2005's read of speed. I think speed is tapped into the pulse of the thread, but I think he's doing so from a baddie angle. I don't like the progression of his reads list, and if I can figure out how to articulate why, I will do so.

I haven't really tried to justify my reads until asked. If you want clarification or if you do have questions to articulate, let me know. I won't defend myself, but I will be happy explain anything you find confusing or weird. If you want.

I'd like to know how your Sprityo read progressed, though. Please.

"I won't defend myself" sounds like a buzz phrase that Speedchuck is trying to knock off his Bad Bot Bingo board.

hmmm this is good analysis. I especially like your thoughts on his weird multi-step rainbow construction, because that did seem a little odd but I didn't really know what to do with it. But yeah starting with some town POE and then throwing on the yellows and oranges like that... could be fake.

[Lunalee]

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Speedchuck you are pinging me in all the right places so far. It's unsettling

Can you talk more about this? I'm interested. It seems that you have some reads that goes against the grain. Are you committed to getting these players lynched? I don't see a lot of effort to convince others. I don't know your play style or anything, so this is more of an observation. I'm very much interested in hearing your thoughts about Speed and if your LC suspicion exist still.

It stems mostly from how speedchuck assembled his reads list.

It started here:

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Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Working on a list.

So he starts with only some town reads, which is like, okay, some people process their thoughts like that. No yellow or orange reads yet which means that there was nothing pressing on his mind about bad guys yet.

Twenty minutes later, it looks like this:

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Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Updated list.

Only two more civ reads given out, for Kyle and sprityo. But sprityo is colored a brighter shade of green, and he revises his coloring of JackofHearts2005 to match the sprityo color. Looking back at the context of the thread, Jack and sprityo were the two players that speedchuck was currently interacting with in between his first list and his second one.

Keeping all this in mind, all other names are colored either the yellow or the orange color and it looks slightly haphazard. Simon stands alone with his own shade of yellow on Speedchuck's list, this gives an unearned sense of depth to the list imo, as if Speed has thoughts about Simon that he's not sharing, which feels disingenuous because Simon's not exactly lighting up the thread with posts. It feels like a fake read.

His read on Luna feels a little fake here too, yellow. Speed and Luna are married iirc and they usually have some interaction with each other, if he had her as yellow I'd expect some heavier thoughts about it, but he's mostly avoided the topic of Luna, as you can see here.

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Hot Take ™: At least two of the following are bad: Jack, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, Speed.

I mean, yeah prolly. Why is this a thing?

Chuck sounds kinda scared of nutella here Why did he want to comment on this? It feels like he was provoked by this post yet is trying to downplay his reaction to it.

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ok so I see sprityo vs sloonei as town on town. I think sprit is reading too much into sloonei's perspective. It makes sense to me that Sloonei would be cognizant of his own position and gameplay, and what might be happening in relation to himself. The fact that Sloonei brought it up in the thread makes me less likely to suspect him, while it seems to have made sprit more likely to suspect him, so we diverge there.

I also disagree with Jackofhearts2005's read of speed. I think speed is tapped into the pulse of the thread, but I think he's doing so from a baddie angle. I don't like the progression of his reads list, and if I can figure out how to articulate why, I will do so.

I haven't really tried to justify my reads until asked. If you want clarification or if you do have questions to articulate, let me know. I won't defend myself, but I will be happy explain anything you find confusing or weird. If you want.

I'd like to know how your Sprityo read progressed, though. Please.

"I won't defend myself" sounds like a buzz phrase that Speedchuck is trying to knock off his Bad Bot Bingo board.

hmmm this is good analysis. I especially like your thoughts on his weird multi-step rainbow construction, because that did seem a little odd but I didn't really know what to do with it. But yeah starting with some town POE and then throwing on the yellows and oranges like that... could be fake.

Of all things to comment on about this analysis. I didn't know the way a rainbow list was created could be alignment-indicative

[Lunalee]

Just checking in before work, love how I’m being set up for an easy bandwagon by a bunch of people who know nothing about me. I also don’t see how it’s okay to point out someone is online and reading the thread when their activity is set to hidden. I often check from my phone and hate posting from it so tend not to, and specifically chose to not show as online so that people couldn’t act like that means anything.

Does not knowing you invalidate the suspicion? I admit I know nothing about you or your play style, but you do come across as suspicious to me. But more than that, I really want more content from you. What do you think of the votes on you? What's your take on Spoons? Who do you want to get lynched? All of it. When you have the time.

Your second post in the game was to vote for me and you seemed pretty confident in it at the time. The only real elaboration you gave is that I "write like scumz write". I don't remember if we've ever played a game together before (don't think so) but if we had you'd probably be able to tell that I just write like me. I don't really like being a civ because when I started playing I was either bad, eventually recruited, or an indy with btsc for my first 10 or so games. I learned to play as a baddie and by the time I got to be town for any significant length of time it was too late for me to learn to be anything but evil. I think like a baddie even when I'm not one. It's helpful in some ways, less so in others. Perhaps that's why you think I write like one but I feel like if you were a bit more familiar with me you'd probably think differently.

I'm not 100% on who Spoons is. I think maybe Sloonei based on context? I'm back and forth on him, I've had some bad vibes and some good ones. Could easily re-read and get a more solid opinion.

Sorry, but this just cracks me up for some reason.
Also, I don't know if I buy it.

[Bullzeye]

I have a few ideas but I’m literally just about to leave for work so don’t have time to go into anything.

Throw some names out as soon as you get the chance. I'm not anywhere close to being set in stone with my reads.

Keep going back and forth on Sloonei, even, and I don't know if it's the emotional/meta card or a genuine tone from him.

I've gone back to Day One and am having a look over the last couple of hours of that lynch to see if anything useful can come out of that ridiculous mess. I had intended to do this yesterday but was too tired. There's a couple of people I feel mildly good about but that could change in an instant, I definitely don't have anyone I strongly believe to be a civ. On the other end of that spectrum most of my thoughts are based on vibes, hence why I'm going back over a few things. I'm willing to share the following thoughts for now, with more detailed opinions coming soon (ish, I don't know how long it will take me to read everything I want to).

I still don't 100% buy Quin's explanation of his recruitment comments and some of his responses to suspicion weren't too convincing but I don't feel strongly enough about that to make it my hill to die on. If something else pops up I'd be willing to come back to him but I'm not going to relentlessly pursue anyone at this point.

I've been having bad vibes from Jack all game but it could just be a tone thing, sometimes his attitude comes off a bit shady.

A quiet DFaraday is never a good thing in my experience so I'd like to see more from him. He's quite good at scheming from the shadows as I remember.

Similarly I feel like we should have heard a lot more from Dom by now. I can't remember if he mentioned being busy or anything though. Not to say I think he's bad because of it, I don't, I just remember him usually being a lot more talkative and was surprised that it's not the case here.

[Turnip Head]

Similarly I feel like we should have heard a lot more from Dom by now. I can't remember if he mentioned being busy or anything though. Not to say I think he's bad because of it, I don't, I just remember him usually being a lot more talkative and was surprised that it's not the case here.

samesies. [mention]Dom[/mention] wtf get in here

[Turnip Head]

I'm surprised to see Sloonei still leading. A perennial lynch candidate, that mr. sloon.

[nutella]

Hot Take ™: At least two of the following are bad: Jack, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, Speed.

Can you write more words about all these people? Also, what's your thoughts on Bullz? More words!

Quin was my first suspect on day 1, mostly stemming from a single post he made that made me think he was the recruiter. I let up on that because it was a little silly, but he hasn't really gained much in the way of town points either imo. He actually hasn't even posted this day phase. [mention]Quin[/mention] where are you man? Maybe he got silenced.

Sloonei was my main suspect for much of day 1. It started when he voted for LC despite not suspecting him to stir up the pot/encourage a line of questioning that Luna started (and the way that he restated her case really pinged me), and developed further as he responded to my suspicion. I also think he and Luna are teammate-compatible, what with that weird LC thing and then what could be distancing with them going after each other later. Today I've been second-guessing myself and trying to see him from the good side at every turn, because I wasn't very generous with that on day 1, but I do believe in his ability to fake a genuine-sounding town tone.

Luna has had a smattering of weird content. The LC thing was at least original and the kind of thing I expect from town Luna, but I don't think she's done much hunting of that caliber since then and she's had a lot of weird reactionary and mechanics-related posts especially the bizarre exchange about the princess role theories/someone "deserving" to be lynched.

Jack explained his day 1 vote with what I can see as town motivations, but his reactions to comments about it/pseudo-defenses/bravado and saying "pfff I won't be lynched I'm towncore" gave me some heavy pings. I guess he does tend to act confident as a townie, but I know from experience that he is expert at faking it when he's bad as well, and it smelled a little fake. If I find the time (unlikely before EOD today though but we'll see) I might look at his posts in Mass Effect in which we were bad together and see how he comported himself.

Speed... I always have trouble reading him. He just tends to post in ways that give me funny feelings, but he often ends up being town, and I think when bad he's a little more careful about funny feelings but I don't know if it's really a perceptible difference (again if I find time I might look at one of his bad games; we were bad together in mortal kombat and I heavily bussed him so I think he must have looked funny there too; we were also bad together in fire emblem but he replaced dunya and because of her off-the-charts post count everyone decided he was townlock so I don't think that game would be a great example because he was extremely confident/never in danger of scrutiny). I really like TH's thoughts on his rainbow stuff especially.

As for Bullz, he reads totally genuine to me and I sympathize with his frustration at people going after him with lame justifications. I do think he could post a bit more content, so he's sort of neutral for me so far, no specific pings or strong townpings.

[nutella]

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Speedchuck you are pinging me in all the right places so far. It's unsettling

Can you talk more about this? I'm interested. It seems that you have some reads that goes against the grain. Are you committed to getting these players lynched? I don't see a lot of effort to convince others. I don't know your play style or anything, so this is more of an observation. I'm very much interested in hearing your thoughts about Speed and if your LC suspicion exist still.

It stems mostly from how speedchuck assembled his reads list.

It started here:

Spoiler: show

Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Working on a list.

So he starts with only some town reads, which is like, okay, some people process their thoughts like that. No yellow or orange reads yet which means that there was nothing pressing on his mind about bad guys yet.

Twenty minutes later, it looks like this:

Spoiler: show

Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Updated list.

Only two more civ reads given out, for Kyle and sprityo. But sprityo is colored a brighter shade of green, and he revises his coloring of JackofHearts2005 to match the sprityo color. Looking back at the context of the thread, Jack and sprityo were the two players that speedchuck was currently interacting with in between his first list and his second one.

Keeping all this in mind, all other names are colored either the yellow or the orange color and it looks slightly haphazard. Simon stands alone with his own shade of yellow on Speedchuck's list, this gives an unearned sense of depth to the list imo, as if Speed has thoughts about Simon that he's not sharing, which feels disingenuous because Simon's not exactly lighting up the thread with posts. It feels like a fake read.

His read on Luna feels a little fake here too, yellow. Speed and Luna are married iirc and they usually have some interaction with each other, if he had her as yellow I'd expect some heavier thoughts about it, but he's mostly avoided the topic of Luna, as you can see here.

Spoiler: show

Hot Take ™: At least two of the following are bad: Jack, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, Speed.

I mean, yeah prolly. Why is this a thing?

Chuck sounds kinda scared of nutella here Why did he want to comment on this? It feels like he was provoked by this post yet is trying to downplay his reaction to it.

Spoiler: show

ok so I see sprityo vs sloonei as town on town. I think sprit is reading too much into sloonei's perspective. It makes sense to me that Sloonei would be cognizant of his own position and gameplay, and what might be happening in relation to himself. The fact that Sloonei brought it up in the thread makes me less likely to suspect him, while it seems to have made sprit more likely to suspect him, so we diverge there.

I also disagree with Jackofhearts2005's read of speed. I think speed is tapped into the pulse of the thread, but I think he's doing so from a baddie angle. I don't like the progression of his reads list, and if I can figure out how to articulate why, I will do so.

I haven't really tried to justify my reads until asked. If you want clarification or if you do have questions to articulate, let me know. I won't defend myself, but I will be happy explain anything you find confusing or weird. If you want.

I'd like to know how your Sprityo read progressed, though. Please.

"I won't defend myself" sounds like a buzz phrase that Speedchuck is trying to knock off his Bad Bot Bingo board.

hmmm this is good analysis. I especially like your thoughts on his weird multi-step rainbow construction, because that did seem a little odd but I didn't really know what to do with it. But yeah starting with some town POE and then throwing on the yellows and oranges like that... could be fake.

Of all things to comment on about this analysis. I didn't know the way a rainbow list was created could be alignment-indicative

So you disagree? You don't think it's odd that he didn't start with any scum reads?

[Sloonei]

I'm surprised to see Sloonei still leading. A perennial lynch candidate, that mr. sloon.

#savesloonei

[Bullzeye]

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I think Bullzeye legitimately misunderstood Jack's post here. The "obvious conclusion" wasn't used in a way to say "obviously JJJ would be scum", but instead "obviously, if you think something is different or off about JJJ, the conclusion you're avoiding is that he's scum"

Thank you for this. I hadn't considered that possibility and nobody else brought it up. You could be correct.

Oh now he knows how many robots there are. And also recognizes that feigning ignorance could be a mafia thing.
He's right about Quin's comment looking weird.

Realise that I always knew how many bad robots they were and that my saying there could be anything from 1-24 was a joke. I honestly thought it was obvious or I'd have used sarcastic orange.

Did Jackofhearts2005 ever respond to this?

As far as I remember he didn't.

I can’t believe we all managed to sleep through an entire day like that!

Do you actually have a problem with that comment? I'm beginning to think you want to lynch my sense of humour rather than just me. You may as well lynch both, I'm nothing without it.

I see nothing in Bullzeye's Day 1 behavior that makes him a desirable lynch candidate, but I also see nothing from him that can be qualified as Day 3 activity.

Rich coming from someone who was completely absent during day 2.

The heck is this?

Again, a joke.

He's not wrong.

Makes a change.

I've got time to look at other players today because I'm sick. We'll see what I find.

Feel better soon

I've responded to as much of this as I can but there's really not a lot to work with...

[nutella]

Like, I'm all for townreads, I know in past games (I recall with MP specifically) there have been arguments about starting with townreads/a "town core" to function as sort-of-POE, and I come down firmly on the pro-townreads side because it's true that they are often easier to feel out at the beginning of a game. But the way speed constructed his rainbow post-by-post with all that green coming first did not look like a real thought process to me. And I agree with TH that the lone placement of Simon seemed arbitrary. A lot of it seemed arbitrary. And if I were to compose a rainbow in this game I would definitely have some scumreads in my head right off the bat that I'd put on there, and it looked like speed did not.

[Lunalee]

Spoiler: show

Speedchuck you are pinging me in all the right places so far. It's unsettling

Can you talk more about this? I'm interested. It seems that you have some reads that goes against the grain. Are you committed to getting these players lynched? I don't see a lot of effort to convince others. I don't know your play style or anything, so this is more of an observation. I'm very much interested in hearing your thoughts about Speed and if your LC suspicion exist still.

It stems mostly from how speedchuck assembled his reads list.

It started here:

Spoiler: show

Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Working on a list.

So he starts with only some town reads, which is like, okay, some people process their thoughts like that. No yellow or orange reads yet which means that there was nothing pressing on his mind about bad guys yet.

Twenty minutes later, it looks like this:

Spoiler: show

Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Updated list.

Only two more civ reads given out, for Kyle and sprityo. But sprityo is colored a brighter shade of green, and he revises his coloring of JackofHearts2005 to match the sprityo color. Looking back at the context of the thread, Jack and sprityo were the two players that speedchuck was currently interacting with in between his first list and his second one.

Keeping all this in mind, all other names are colored either the yellow or the orange color and it looks slightly haphazard. Simon stands alone with his own shade of yellow on Speedchuck's list, this gives an unearned sense of depth to the list imo, as if Speed has thoughts about Simon that he's not sharing, which feels disingenuous because Simon's not exactly lighting up the thread with posts. It feels like a fake read.

His read on Luna feels a little fake here too, yellow. Speed and Luna are married iirc and they usually have some interaction with each other, if he had her as yellow I'd expect some heavier thoughts about it, but he's mostly avoided the topic of Luna, as you can see here.

Spoiler: show

Hot Take ™: At least two of the following are bad: Jack, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, Speed.

I mean, yeah prolly. Why is this a thing?

Chuck sounds kinda scared of nutella here Why did he want to comment on this? It feels like he was provoked by this post yet is trying to downplay his reaction to it.

Spoiler: show

ok so I see sprityo vs sloonei as town on town. I think sprit is reading too much into sloonei's perspective. It makes sense to me that Sloonei would be cognizant of his own position and gameplay, and what might be happening in relation to himself. The fact that Sloonei brought it up in the thread makes me less likely to suspect him, while it seems to have made sprit more likely to suspect him, so we diverge there.

I also disagree with Jackofhearts2005's read of speed. I think speed is tapped into the pulse of the thread, but I think he's doing so from a baddie angle. I don't like the progression of his reads list, and if I can figure out how to articulate why, I will do so.

I haven't really tried to justify my reads until asked. If you want clarification or if you do have questions to articulate, let me know. I won't defend myself, but I will be happy explain anything you find confusing or weird. If you want.

I'd like to know how your Sprityo read progressed, though. Please.

"I won't defend myself" sounds like a buzz phrase that Speedchuck is trying to knock off his Bad Bot Bingo board.

hmmm this is good analysis. I especially like your thoughts on his weird multi-step rainbow construction, because that did seem a little odd but I didn't really know what to do with it. But yeah starting with some town POE and then throwing on the yellows and oranges like that... could be fake.

Of all things to comment on about this analysis. I didn't know the way a rainbow list was created could be alignment-indicative

So you disagree? You don't think it's odd that he didn't start with any scum reads?

Not really, no. Most people don't post unfinished rainbows like that, so you don't know which way they started them. If speed were scum, he probably would have been more careful with creating the list and would not have posted it until it was done.

[Lunalee]

Like, I'm all for townreads, I know in past games (I recall with MP specifically) there have been arguments about starting with townreads/a "town core" to function as sort-of-POE, and I come down firmly on the pro-townreads side because it's true that they are often easier to feel out at the beginning of a game. But the way speed constructed his rainbow post-by-post with all that green coming first did not look like a real thought process to me. And I agree with TH that the lone placement of Simon seemed arbitrary. A lot of it seemed arbitrary. And if I were to compose a rainbow in this game I would definitely have some scumreads in my head right off the bat that I'd put on there, and it looked like speed did not.

You should share the rainbow list you have in your head.

[nutella]

Spoiler: show

Speedchuck you are pinging me in all the right places so far. It's unsettling

Can you talk more about this? I'm interested. It seems that you have some reads that goes against the grain. Are you committed to getting these players lynched? I don't see a lot of effort to convince others. I don't know your play style or anything, so this is more of an observation. I'm very much interested in hearing your thoughts about Speed and if your LC suspicion exist still.

It stems mostly from how speedchuck assembled his reads list.

It started here:

Spoiler: show

Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Working on a list.

So he starts with only some town reads, which is like, okay, some people process their thoughts like that. No yellow or orange reads yet which means that there was nothing pressing on his mind about bad guys yet.

Twenty minutes later, it looks like this:

Spoiler: show

Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Updated list.

Only two more civ reads given out, for Kyle and sprityo. But sprityo is colored a brighter shade of green, and he revises his coloring of JackofHearts2005 to match the sprityo color. Looking back at the context of the thread, Jack and sprityo were the two players that speedchuck was currently interacting with in between his first list and his second one.

Keeping all this in mind, all other names are colored either the yellow or the orange color and it looks slightly haphazard. Simon stands alone with his own shade of yellow on Speedchuck's list, this gives an unearned sense of depth to the list imo, as if Speed has thoughts about Simon that he's not sharing, which feels disingenuous because Simon's not exactly lighting up the thread with posts. It feels like a fake read.

His read on Luna feels a little fake here too, yellow. Speed and Luna are married iirc and they usually have some interaction with each other, if he had her as yellow I'd expect some heavier thoughts about it, but he's mostly avoided the topic of Luna, as you can see here.

Spoiler: show

Hot Take ™: At least two of the following are bad: Jack, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, Speed.

I mean, yeah prolly. Why is this a thing?

Chuck sounds kinda scared of nutella here Why did he want to comment on this? It feels like he was provoked by this post yet is trying to downplay his reaction to it.

Spoiler: show

ok so I see sprityo vs sloonei as town on town. I think sprit is reading too much into sloonei's perspective. It makes sense to me that Sloonei would be cognizant of his own position and gameplay, and what might be happening in relation to himself. The fact that Sloonei brought it up in the thread makes me less likely to suspect him, while it seems to have made sprit more likely to suspect him, so we diverge there.

I also disagree with Jackofhearts2005's read of speed. I think speed is tapped into the pulse of the thread, but I think he's doing so from a baddie angle. I don't like the progression of his reads list, and if I can figure out how to articulate why, I will do so.

I haven't really tried to justify my reads until asked. If you want clarification or if you do have questions to articulate, let me know. I won't defend myself, but I will be happy explain anything you find confusing or weird. If you want.

I'd like to know how your Sprityo read progressed, though. Please.

"I won't defend myself" sounds like a buzz phrase that Speedchuck is trying to knock off his Bad Bot Bingo board.

hmmm this is good analysis. I especially like your thoughts on his weird multi-step rainbow construction, because that did seem a little odd but I didn't really know what to do with it. But yeah starting with some town POE and then throwing on the yellows and oranges like that... could be fake.

Of all things to comment on about this analysis. I didn't know the way a rainbow list was created could be alignment-indicative

So you disagree? You don't think it's odd that he didn't start with any scum reads?

Not really, no. Most people don't post unfinished rainbows like that, so you don't know which way they started them. If speed were scum, he probably would have been more careful with creating the list and would not have posted it until it was done.

Okay, fair. What do you think of the placement of Simon specifically?

[nutella]

Like, I'm all for townreads, I know in past games (I recall with MP specifically) there have been arguments about starting with townreads/a "town core" to function as sort-of-POE, and I come down firmly on the pro-townreads side because it's true that they are often easier to feel out at the beginning of a game. But the way speed constructed his rainbow post-by-post with all that green coming first did not look like a real thought process to me. And I agree with TH that the lone placement of Simon seemed arbitrary. A lot of it seemed arbitrary. And if I were to compose a rainbow in this game I would definitely have some scumreads in my head right off the bat that I'd put on there, and it looked like speed did not.

You should share the rainbow list you have in your head.

I've been meaning to actually, just lazy and on phone now but I will.

[sprityo]

@Dyslexicon Talk to me about Bullzeye and Luna because we have opposite reads rn

Hi! I don't really have a conclusive read on Luna. Not on Bullz either for that matter. I'm going to catch up now.

i saw some comments on it Luna, looks like youre waiting for a response from her. what do you have on bullzeye that makes you not like him?

[Lunalee]

Spoiler: show

Can you talk more about this? I'm interested. It seems that you have some reads that goes against the grain. Are you committed to getting these players lynched? I don't see a lot of effort to convince others. I don't know your play style or anything, so this is more of an observation. I'm very much interested in hearing your thoughts about Speed and if your LC suspicion exist still.

It stems mostly from how speedchuck assembled his reads list.

It started here:

Spoiler: show

Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Working on a list.

So he starts with only some town reads, which is like, okay, some people process their thoughts like that. No yellow or orange reads yet which means that there was nothing pressing on his mind about bad guys yet.

Twenty minutes later, it looks like this:

Spoiler: show

Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Updated list.

Only two more civ reads given out, for Kyle and sprityo. But sprityo is colored a brighter shade of green, and he revises his coloring of JackofHearts2005 to match the sprityo color. Looking back at the context of the thread, Jack and sprityo were the two players that speedchuck was currently interacting with in between his first list and his second one.

Keeping all this in mind, all other names are colored either the yellow or the orange color and it looks slightly haphazard. Simon stands alone with his own shade of yellow on Speedchuck's list, this gives an unearned sense of depth to the list imo, as if Speed has thoughts about Simon that he's not sharing, which feels disingenuous because Simon's not exactly lighting up the thread with posts. It feels like a fake read.

His read on Luna feels a little fake here too, yellow. Speed and Luna are married iirc and they usually have some interaction with each other, if he had her as yellow I'd expect some heavier thoughts about it, but he's mostly avoided the topic of Luna, as you can see here.

Spoiler: show

I mean, yeah prolly. Why is this a thing?

Chuck sounds kinda scared of nutella here Why did he want to comment on this? It feels like he was provoked by this post yet is trying to downplay his reaction to it.

Spoiler: show

I haven't really tried to justify my reads until asked. If you want clarification or if you do have questions to articulate, let me know. I won't defend myself, but I will be happy explain anything you find confusing or weird. If you want.

I'd like to know how your Sprityo read progressed, though. Please.

"I won't defend myself" sounds like a buzz phrase that Speedchuck is trying to knock off his Bad Bot Bingo board.

hmmm this is good analysis. I especially like your thoughts on his weird multi-step rainbow construction, because that did seem a little odd but I didn't really know what to do with it. But yeah starting with some town POE and then throwing on the yellows and oranges like that... could be fake.

Of all things to comment on about this analysis. I didn't know the way a rainbow list was created could be alignment-indicative

So you disagree? You don't think it's odd that he didn't start with any scum reads?

Not really, no. Most people don't post unfinished rainbows like that, so you don't know which way they started them. If speed were scum, he probably would have been more careful with creating the list and would not have posted it until it was done.

Okay, fair. What do you think of the placement of Simon specifically?

I don't know. I feel like everyone in the game is hesitant to go after Simon because he's younger, and they want to give him a chance to play. Perhaps that's why Speed wasn't sure how to place him, and he ended up in "not-acting-town-but-don't-want-to-go-after-him-orange"

[Lunalee]

@Dyslexicon Talk to me about Bullzeye and Luna because we have opposite reads rn

Hi! I don't really have a conclusive read on Luna. Not on Bullz either for that matter. I'm going to catch up now.

i saw some comments on it Luna, looks like youre waiting for a response from her. what do you have on bullzeye that makes you not like him?

Did I miss a mention?

[Bullzeye]

I suspect Speedchuck less after seeing the quote from Epi about Light and Wiley recruiting. Sloonei would then be my top suspect, but there's already votes on him. Oh well. [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

I doubt Sloonei will be lynched today. There's no way this stays as-is for the next 19 hours.

Just going through Day One at the moment and noticed this incredibly prophetic post from LC. Nothing to say about it, it's just funny considering how crazy the votes got in the last couple of hours.

[nutella]

Kylemii
Long Con
Dyslexicon
Infected_alien8_
sprityo
Turnip Head
Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Marmot
Simon
Soneji
K-Ness
novaselinenever
Quin
Jackofhearts2005
speedchuck
Sloonei
Lunalee

I like forcing quick sorting judgments like this to determine what my hunches really are. I feel enough hesitation on the other four oranges to lighten the orange, but I don't really feel that hesitation with Luna. So I'll put my money where my colors are and [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

[Lunalee]

Kylemii
Long Con
Dyslexicon
Infected_alien8_
sprityo
Turnip Head
Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Marmot
Simon
Soneji
K-Ness
novaselinenever
Quin
Jackofhearts2005
speedchuck
Sloonei
Lunalee

I like forcing quick sorting judgments like this to determine what my hunches really are. I feel enough hesitation on the other four oranges to lighten the orange, but I don't really feel that hesitation with Luna. So I'll put my money where my colors are and [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

I'm sorry my request for a rainbow made you want to put me at the bottom

[nutella]

Also, wilgy is on the list somehow???? Has he been here

[speedchuck]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] Can you remind me why YOU are voting Bullseye?

[speedchuck]

IF Luna is scum, she's using a technique I use when I'm scum. You'll often find me taking the townie with the most suspicion on them and defending them to the death. If that's what Luna is doing to me, that could be a bad sign.

As an addendum, I probably read Luna worse than everyone else on this site BECAUSE I know her in person. Look at my track record. It's disgusting.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] Why are you so certain about me being not-scum?

[Lunalee]

IF Luna is scum, she's using a technique I use when I'm scum. You'll often find me taking the townie with the most suspicion on them and defending them to the death. If that's what Luna is doing to me, that could be a bad sign.

As an addendum, I probably read Luna worse than everyone else on this site BECAUSE I know her in person. Look at my track record. It's disgusting.

@Lunalee Why are you so certain about me being not-scum?

I'm not completely certain. You're posts feel townie to me, and I really want to think we're on the same team here.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I just spent a long time compiling a massive ISO of speedchuck for no other reason than that I've been unable to grasp his general position on things in this game. I'm putting it all in one big spoiler because this isn't actually something that anyone needs to read. I'm only posting it for the sake of having it as a reference, so that I can point back here later if anyone needs to know how my speedchuck read has developed. So unless you're super interested in reading Speedchuck Commentary by Sloonei, there's no need for you to sit through all of this. This isn't a "case", it's just me trying to generate a read on a player.

Spoiler: show

It was a nice quiet Day 0. Nothing happened.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

An initial vote for Jay Man due to the innocuous "Day 0" comment. This vote alone does not offer anything conclusive one way or the other but I want to note it as part of the whole of his post history.

okay bye 4 real luv u all soooOOOOoooo muchz :-* :-*

good lord

ok imma throw you a bone buddy

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

*puts a pillow under jay's head*

You always do this lately.

A gripe with nutella making a habit of voting him. I can't comment on this observation, but it exists.

Speed Man posts and early Day 1 case against sprit for being overly-affectionate. I never understood this if it was meant to be a real suspicion. If he was just trying to make things happen, then it's fine. Yo Chuck, what was the deal with this case?

Speedchuck and nutella are not w/w.

I think the reason people suspect Quin is because his "what are tha rules " posts were the most fake-sounding

He is one of a couple people to accuse Quin of faking his rules misunderstanding on Day 1. This entire line of discourse (that scum deliberately faked ignorance of the rules for some unknown reason) struck me as misguided in every corner. Partially because I've received some of that criticism myself. What is gained by a mafia member pretending not to know the rules? That's a rhetorical question, we don't need to talk about this nonsense. My point here is that I don't love this suspicion from speedchuck.

Sloonei probably is town. Even if he is pushing me to actually hunt.

I'll probably devote an hour later today to finding someone. Busy day as is. Doubt I'll stay on Sprit, though I'm still weirded out by his buddy-buddy shtick.

Undoubtedly the best post he's made all game on the strength of that first sentence alone. I don't know exactly how much huntin' he's been pushed to do, which is why I'm compiling this overlong and meandering post right now. I don't apologize.

Guess I'll go back and see why we lynched Eloh over Quin.

I can read this as a gloating scum who's trying to spin the Day 1 result against the people who were responsible for Eloh's lynch. I can also read it as a pouting townie who believed in his suspect and is frustrated they didn't get lynched.

A quick flurry of short reads. No comment yet, but I want to acknowledge them for future reference. I can still see either of the scenarios from my previous point in his Eloh and Quin takes.

I don't like it.

what's your concern about luna's reaction to the eloh flip?

It’s not the reaction alone that bothers me. It’s the whole thing. She was present but not active at end of day and all of her participation was geared toward quietly pushing the lynch of the inactive option.

For the record, the present but not active thing is NAI.

Partial defense of luna. This could just mean chuck doesn't want to sleep on the couch. It is difficult to do much with this, but I want to make note of it.

I don't get the same town quin as normal. Normally I feel like quin acts towny but gets suspected because his opinions are different from everyone else's. He's got the suspicion right now, got the different opinions, but I don't get a town-tone feel from him. Even if all other indicators point to it.

This is a small snippet from a much larger post from speedchuck. It's got a few interesting points in it, but this is the one that stands out to me. He came back after the Day 1 deadline denouncing the Eloh lynch and proclaiming Quin as the apparently clear and obvious better option. But this is his elaboration on the suspicion. It amounts to little more than a shrug in my eyes. "I don't get a town-tone feel". That's hardly definitive and entirely unsubstantive. I get that this is an early phase of the game, but if you're going to come in after a lynch instructing people on what they should have done, I expect a stronger case than this.
But then, I'd also expect scumchuck to have a ready-made case to throw down at us here. So I have to check my scum read here. I'll put it there lightly for the sake of taking a stance, but I'm not as committed to it as I was when I started responding to this particular post.

This is an even worse result than the Day 1 result.

You are so evil and villainous and it offends me that you survived day one.

Please move past this.

This reminds me of when Mac was all like "SPEEDCHUCK IS SCUM" for the entirety of a game. He was right, but I got him to "move past it" by showing him my love and support. This after getting him killed in the first phases and having him rezzed.

Anyway my point is that Mac has good instincts.

Appeals to Mac's history as an apparently valid reason to suspect me(?). Mac's instincts have been right before. They've also been wrong. He was right about me in Ancient Greece. He seems to have let that influence him too much here. I don't like this post because I don't like being suspected on things that aren't related to the game we're currently playing. This post discusses his Mac read more in depth. It seems like he is regarding Mac as a civilian from what I can tell, and he also hints at Mac being the victim of a hypothetical nightkill. By the time the sun came up, Mac had been nightkilled.

Highlights some pings from Bullzeye. I don't agree with them, but I don't object to this post's existence.

Offers an in depth explanation for his town read on alien. I appreciate this post and am inclined to agree with his points.

I don't like these kill choices. They're targeting potential town leaders.

Our kill controller is an unscrupulous and experienced syndicateer.

This is not a bad observation, though it does not narrow things down a whole bunch. I'd like to hear more on this subject from Chuck Man. I say that as if he or anyone else is bothering to read all of this.

Sloonei vs. Sprityo

Less go

Speedchuck is an instigator.

Sprit's case is that Sloonei is trying to control the narrative, as soon as Mac died. Nobody else had suggested, as of that point, that Mac's death implicated Sloonei. He was pre-emptive about it. That suggests forethought, though it doesn't necessitate it. It also paints a picture of a guy who is very aware of the WIFOM involved in Mac's death, and who understood the strategy from both sides.

Yes?

The language of this post does not suggest that I am a suspect and I don't think I'd object to any of it. But I am reading it with the knowledge that speedchuck suspects me, and as I understand this is a factor in his read. Why does all of this make me suspicious? If anything I'd say it's NAI. It's a reflection of my general approach to the game of mafia regardless of alignment. These are just some of the things I tend to be conscious of.

See? I'm at the bottom of his rainbow. Balderdash. Utter balderdash.

Kylemii

Updated list.

why am i dark green? I've done basically nothing of note since like the middle of day 2, and I haven't voted once

Cause you got a bunch of missed calls from Jay. Then he died. You’re a slightly lighter shade of green on my list. Bullzeye is maybe a lighter orange.

Nah, that's a silly reason.

I toneread town Kylemii vs scum Kylemii, referencing AssClass and GoC to contrast his gameplay. There wasn't a strong difference, but the tone with which Kylemii approached the game rung town for me.

Might should have been light green? It is just town tone for me.

Much like with Quin, chuck is referencing tone as the key factor in one of his reads. I have a general habit of not loving "tone reads" since they're the most easily faked "read" in the book. No content or real justification is needed if you can just say "I like his tone." Regrettably, I don't keep a log of all speedchuck's posts so I can't say whether or not he has a habit of tone reading people frequently.

[VOTE: Bullseye] aubergine

A vote for bullzeye out of the blue. He had those couple of pings mentioned earlier. This looks like a vote designed to shift the conversation. I mean that in a good way. He wants to talk about a suspect no one else is talking about.

There are a few small pings in here but nothing that really stands out. speedchuck is a crafty baddy, which works both for and against him here: it works for him in that a few of the points I can make against him don't actually seem like they are things which I would expect Speedchuck to do when he's bad. It works against him in that, well, speedchuck knows what he's doing when he's bad. The points about which I'm most unclear are his treatment of Day 1 sprityo and his reads on myself and Bullzeye. I expected there to be some sort of development somewhere in the thread around him, but all I found here was a reference to Dizzy and a reiteration of the three small pings from earlier. I'm also not sure why the points speedchuck raised against me RE: sprityo's case need to be viewed in a negative light, but I'm incapable of discussing that case without a personal bias and don't really want to drag it up again. But this is a sincere gap in my understanding of speedchuck's thinking, so perhaps I should ask for an explanation, pretending that I'm not also the subject of the conversation.

I did all of that and I'm still not confident in where I should place speedchuck on my imaginary rainbow list. For the sake of taking a stance, I'll put him as the faintest shade of orange because A) I'm spiteful and hurt, and B) I don't love those "tone reads". Slight mafia, but with a lot of room to move in either direction.

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

[nutella]

IF Luna is scum, she's using a technique I use when I'm scum. You'll often find me taking the townie with the most suspicion on them and defending them to the death. If that's what Luna is doing to me, that could be a bad sign.

As an addendum, I probably read Luna worse than everyone else on this site BECAUSE I know her in person. Look at my track record. It's disgusting.

@Lunalee Why are you so certain about me being not-scum?

I'm not completely certain. You're posts feel townie to me, and I really want to think we're on the same team here.

Speed: Are you buddying me?
Luna: Yes dear

This response is so transparently bad omg

[Turnip Head]

Where's nova?

[Lunalee]

IF Luna is scum, she's using a technique I use when I'm scum. You'll often find me taking the townie with the most suspicion on them and defending them to the death. If that's what Luna is doing to me, that could be a bad sign.

As an addendum, I probably read Luna worse than everyone else on this site BECAUSE I know her in person. Look at my track record. It's disgusting.

@Lunalee Why are you so certain about me being not-scum?

I'm not completely certain. You're posts feel townie to me, and I really want to think we're on the same team here.

Speed: Are you buddying me?
Luna: Yes dear

This response is so transparently bad omg

I actually did the same thing in Courage, and we were both town.
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[Sloonei]

On my phone, so I don’t feel like dealing with the formatting of multi-quotes, but I’m responding to Dyslexicon here.

sprityo and luna are the players I feel most strongly about as potential baddies on my bandwagon. I’ve omitted Luna from that category thus far because my suspicion of her preceded today’s developments, but that she’s slid her way into this bandwagon is further evidence against her in my eyes. Sprit is the other player and I’ve voiced this, but I’ve also voiced my uncertainty with regards to that. I think his case is a complete misreading of me to the extent that it suggests he is willfully misidentifying my motives. But others seem to agree with him, and my judgment is obviously clouded by my own inherent awareness of my motives. I don’t buy what sprityo is selling, but that’s because what he’s selling is a version of me that doesn’t align with my version of me. But I struggle to definitively pursue him as a suspect when it’s clear to me that others are capable of buying his case.

Regarding my constant defense, I feel like I’m stuck in a loop of unproductivity. I want to suss out who’s bad in this bandwagon, and this involves frequently engaging in dialogues with its main supporters, which in turn just spirals into desperate self-defense from me. It’s not how I want to play and I keep trying to get out of it, but I suppose my ego is too fragile to let these cases go.

As for why I’m perhaps a little over-sensitive to baddies on my bandwagon: we’ve seen the observation made that the scum team is targeting “town-leader” types (first Jay, then Mac). I am not in a “leadership” position in this game because I’m on the outside looking into the circle of trust. But (I think) I’m the type of player who is viewed as a potential “leader” type. But I’m someone that can be done away with via lync in this game.

I do not think that Mac was killed for the specific purpose of framing me. But I think a facet of the mafia strategy after killing him could very conceivably have been to increase pressure on me. I wanted to put this theory into the thread and it apparently backfired. But that’s my approach to the game and, I guess, so is all this self-defense. I try to be understood and, in turn, to understand other folks. So when I’m being as widely misunderstood as I am here I guess my desire to be understood turns into an unhealthy obsession. I should stop focusing on it, but it feels essential to my position in the game, and has thus far distracted me from engaging myself to the extent that I ordinarily would. I should instead become obsessed with having my reads understood rather than my behavior.

I suspected Colin on Day 1 but he was nightkilled. I suspect Luna now and have talked about that at length. I have a shaky inclination to read speedchuck as scum, but I hesitate to label him a “suspect” at this point.

Bullzeye remains a light town read who I am compelled to defend. I don’t agree with the cases I’ve seen against him. Turnip Head is a town read. I did a brief ISO of him Day 1 which helped me establish that read, and he’s only strengthened it since then. He seems to be actively engaged and I can see his thoughts developing as he goes. You’ve given the thread a new energy since you joined, which I like a lot. Nutella also has done the opposite of what I’d anticipate from scum today with regards to little old me: she’s pulled back on her suspicion. I get a similar vibe from her as from Turnip Head. I can also see some real “game solving” coming out of Long Con, so I guess I read him as town.

I have little else at the moment in the way of defined reads. I could offer gut reads on everyone else, but they wouldn’t be especially strong and I’d want to follow all of them up with research. So maybe I should do that. I’ll be around for the end of day, so hopefully things can happen then.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Speedchuck you are pinging me in all the right places so far. It's unsettling

Can you talk more about this? I'm interested. It seems that you have some reads that goes against the grain. Are you committed to getting these players lynched? I don't see a lot of effort to convince others. I don't know your play style or anything, so this is more of an observation. I'm very much interested in hearing your thoughts about Speed and if your LC suspicion exist still.

It stems mostly from how speedchuck assembled his reads list.

It started here:

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Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Working on a list.

So he starts with only some town reads, which is like, okay, some people process their thoughts like that. No yellow or orange reads yet which means that there was nothing pressing on his mind about bad guys yet.

Twenty minutes later, it looks like this:

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Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Updated list.

Only two more civ reads given out, for Kyle and sprityo. But sprityo is colored a brighter shade of green, and he revises his coloring of JackofHearts2005 to match the sprityo color. Looking back at the context of the thread, Jack and sprityo were the two players that speedchuck was currently interacting with in between his first list and his second one.

Keeping all this in mind, all other names are colored either the yellow or the orange color and it looks slightly haphazard. Simon stands alone with his own shade of yellow on Speedchuck's list, this gives an unearned sense of depth to the list imo, as if Speed has thoughts about Simon that he's not sharing, which feels disingenuous because Simon's not exactly lighting up the thread with posts. It feels like a fake read.

His read on Luna feels a little fake here too, yellow. Speed and Luna are married iirc and they usually have some interaction with each other, if he had her as yellow I'd expect some heavier thoughts about it, but he's mostly avoided the topic of Luna, as you can see here.

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Hot Take ™: At least two of the following are bad: Jack, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, Speed.

I mean, yeah prolly. Why is this a thing?

Chuck sounds kinda scared of nutella here Why did he want to comment on this? It feels like he was provoked by this post yet is trying to downplay his reaction to it.

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ok so I see sprityo vs sloonei as town on town. I think sprit is reading too much into sloonei's perspective. It makes sense to me that Sloonei would be cognizant of his own position and gameplay, and what might be happening in relation to himself. The fact that Sloonei brought it up in the thread makes me less likely to suspect him, while it seems to have made sprit more likely to suspect him, so we diverge there.

I also disagree with Jackofhearts2005's read of speed. I think speed is tapped into the pulse of the thread, but I think he's doing so from a baddie angle. I don't like the progression of his reads list, and if I can figure out how to articulate why, I will do so.

I haven't really tried to justify my reads until asked. If you want clarification or if you do have questions to articulate, let me know. I won't defend myself, but I will be happy explain anything you find confusing or weird. If you want.

I'd like to know how your Sprityo read progressed, though. Please.

"I won't defend myself" sounds like a buzz phrase that Speedchuck is trying to knock off his Bad Bot Bingo board.

This post makes me think Speedchuck is more town and TH is more scum.

Yay!

[Sloonei]

I just spent a long time compiling a massive ISO of speedchuck for no other reason than that I've been unable to grasp his general position on things in this game. I'm putting it all in one big spoiler because this isn't actually something that anyone needs to read. I'm only posting it for the sake of having it as a reference, so that I can point back here later if anyone needs to know how my speedchuck read has developed. So unless you're super interested in reading Speedchuck Commentary by Sloonei, there's no need for you to sit through all of this. This isn't a "case", it's just me trying to generate a read on a player.

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It was a nice quiet Day 0. Nothing happened.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

An initial vote for Jay Man due to the innocuous "Day 0" comment. This vote alone does not offer anything conclusive one way or the other but I want to note it as part of the whole of his post history.

okay bye 4 real luv u all soooOOOOoooo muchz :-* :-*

good lord

ok imma throw you a bone buddy

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

*puts a pillow under jay's head*

You always do this lately.

A gripe with nutella making a habit of voting him. I can't comment on this observation, but it exists.

Speed Man posts and early Day 1 case against sprit for being overly-affectionate. I never understood this if it was meant to be a real suspicion. If he was just trying to make things happen, then it's fine. Yo Chuck, what was the deal with this case?

Speedchuck and nutella are not w/w.

I think the reason people suspect Quin is because his "what are tha rules " posts were the most fake-sounding

He is one of a couple people to accuse Quin of faking his rules misunderstanding on Day 1. This entire line of discourse (that scum deliberately faked ignorance of the rules for some unknown reason) struck me as misguided in every corner. Partially because I've received some of that criticism myself. What is gained by a mafia member pretending not to know the rules? That's a rhetorical question, we don't need to talk about this nonsense. My point here is that I don't love this suspicion from speedchuck.

Sloonei probably is town. Even if he is pushing me to actually hunt.

I'll probably devote an hour later today to finding someone. Busy day as is. Doubt I'll stay on Sprit, though I'm still weirded out by his buddy-buddy shtick.

Undoubtedly the best post he's made all game on the strength of that first sentence alone. I don't know exactly how much huntin' he's been pushed to do, which is why I'm compiling this overlong and meandering post right now. I don't apologize.

Guess I'll go back and see why we lynched Eloh over Quin.

I can read this as a gloating scum who's trying to spin the Day 1 result against the people who were responsible for Eloh's lynch. I can also read it as a pouting townie who believed in his suspect and is frustrated they didn't get lynched.

A quick flurry of short reads. No comment yet, but I want to acknowledge them for future reference. I can still see either of the scenarios from my previous point in his Eloh and Quin takes.

I don't like it.

what's your concern about luna's reaction to the eloh flip?

It’s not the reaction alone that bothers me. It’s the whole thing. She was present but not active at end of day and all of her participation was geared toward quietly pushing the lynch of the inactive option.

For the record, the present but not active thing is NAI.

Partial defense of luna. This could just mean chuck doesn't want to sleep on the couch. It is difficult to do much with this, but I want to make note of it.

I don't get the same town quin as normal. Normally I feel like quin acts towny but gets suspected because his opinions are different from everyone else's. He's got the suspicion right now, got the different opinions, but I don't get a town-tone feel from him. Even if all other indicators point to it.

This is a small snippet from a much larger post from speedchuck. It's got a few interesting points in it, but this is the one that stands out to me. He came back after the Day 1 deadline denouncing the Eloh lynch and proclaiming Quin as the apparently clear and obvious better option. But this is his elaboration on the suspicion. It amounts to little more than a shrug in my eyes. "I don't get a town-tone feel". That's hardly definitive and entirely unsubstantive. I get that this is an early phase of the game, but if you're going to come in after a lynch instructing people on what they should have done, I expect a stronger case than this.
But then, I'd also expect scumchuck to have a ready-made case to throw down at us here. So I have to check my scum read here. I'll put it there lightly for the sake of taking a stance, but I'm not as committed to it as I was when I started responding to this particular post.

This is an even worse result than the Day 1 result.

You are so evil and villainous and it offends me that you survived day one.

Please move past this.

This reminds me of when Mac was all like "SPEEDCHUCK IS SCUM" for the entirety of a game. He was right, but I got him to "move past it" by showing him my love and support. This after getting him killed in the first phases and having him rezzed.

Anyway my point is that Mac has good instincts.

Appeals to Mac's history as an apparently valid reason to suspect me(?). Mac's instincts have been right before. They've also been wrong. He was right about me in Ancient Greece. He seems to have let that influence him too much here. I don't like this post because I don't like being suspected on things that aren't related to the game we're currently playing. This post discusses his Mac read more in depth. It seems like he is regarding Mac as a civilian from what I can tell, and he also hints at Mac being the victim of a hypothetical nightkill. By the time the sun came up, Mac had been nightkilled.

Highlights some pings from Bullzeye. I don't agree with them, but I don't object to this post's existence.

Offers an in depth explanation for his town read on alien. I appreciate this post and am inclined to agree with his points.

I don't like these kill choices. They're targeting potential town leaders.

Our kill controller is an unscrupulous and experienced syndicateer.

This is not a bad observation, though it does not narrow things down a whole bunch. I'd like to hear more on this subject from Chuck Man. I say that as if he or anyone else is bothering to read all of this.

Sloonei vs. Sprityo

Less go

Speedchuck is an instigator.

Sprit's case is that Sloonei is trying to control the narrative, as soon as Mac died. Nobody else had suggested, as of that point, that Mac's death implicated Sloonei. He was pre-emptive about it. That suggests forethought, though it doesn't necessitate it. It also paints a picture of a guy who is very aware of the WIFOM involved in Mac's death, and who understood the strategy from both sides.

Yes?

The language of this post does not suggest that I am a suspect and I don't think I'd object to any of it. But I am reading it with the knowledge that speedchuck suspects me, and as I understand this is a factor in his read. Why does all of this make me suspicious? If anything I'd say it's NAI. It's a reflection of my general approach to the game of mafia regardless of alignment. These are just some of the things I tend to be conscious of.

See? I'm at the bottom of his rainbow. Balderdash. Utter balderdash.

Kylemii

Updated list.

why am i dark green? I've done basically nothing of note since like the middle of day 2, and I haven't voted once

Cause you got a bunch of missed calls from Jay. Then he died. You’re a slightly lighter shade of green on my list. Bullzeye is maybe a lighter orange.

Nah, that's a silly reason.

I toneread town Kylemii vs scum Kylemii, referencing AssClass and GoC to contrast his gameplay. There wasn't a strong difference, but the tone with which Kylemii approached the game rung town for me.

Might should have been light green? It is just town tone for me.

Much like with Quin, chuck is referencing tone as the key factor in one of his reads. I have a general habit of not loving "tone reads" since they're the most easily faked "read" in the book. No content or real justification is needed if you can just say "I like his tone." Regrettably, I don't keep a log of all speedchuck's posts so I can't say whether or not he has a habit of tone reading people frequently.

[VOTE: Bullseye] aubergine

A vote for bullzeye out of the blue. He had those couple of pings mentioned earlier. This looks like a vote designed to shift the conversation. I mean that in a good way. He wants to talk about a suspect no one else is talking about.

There are a few small pings in here but nothing that really stands out. speedchuck is a crafty baddy, which works both for and against him here: it works for him in that a few of the points I can make against him don't actually seem like they are things which I would expect Speedchuck to do when he's bad. It works against him in that, well, speedchuck knows what he's doing when he's bad. The points about which I'm most unclear are his treatment of Day 1 sprityo and his reads on myself and Bullzeye. I expected there to be some sort of development somewhere in the thread around him, but all I found here was a reference to Dizzy and a reiteration of the three small pings from earlier. I'm also not sure why the points speedchuck raised against me RE: sprityo's case need to be viewed in a negative light, but I'm incapable of discussing that case without a personal bias and don't really want to drag it up again. But this is a sincere gap in my understanding of speedchuck's thinking, so perhaps I should ask for an explanation, pretending that I'm not also the subject of the conversation.

I did all of that and I'm still not confident in where I should place speedchuck on my imaginary rainbow list. For the sake of taking a stance, I'll put him as the faintest shade of orange because A) I'm spiteful and hurt, and B) I don't love those "tone reads". Slight mafia, but with a lot of room to move in either direction.

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“Imaginary” in that I haven’t actually compiled a rainbow yet. It’s an expression I use regularly.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: I think Sloonei is bad. Fight me.] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

That was a joke, Sloonster. My vote is not.