Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 13]

[DharmaHelper]

To me the only reason a person would vote to tie a lynch that they weren't in danger in is because they are on the tribunal or know who is and they want to save the person that is in the lead during the un-tied period.

Significantly more plausible baddie motives RE: Ties.

But what if there's a baddie team with nobody on the tribunal, and hypothetically one of their own is up for a lynch? They'd want to avoid that tie, wouldn't they?

Yeah if someone votes to break ties that's also worth looking at but what I'm saying is if someone votes to cause a tie, and especially if that tie then breaks against whoever they voted for, that's a red flag for me

So...

Your strategy is to examine polls that get made into a tie and polls that do not get made into a tie?

Cool.

I'm not sure what's difficult to grasp about "I'm placing a higher level of scrutiny on votes that result in a tied lynch"

[Sloonei]

What do you think of the reason I gave for voting for Tranq, DH? It was your post, after all.

[Tranq]

I'm glad you asked, juliets.

Note i said poll options, not polls. LC/BR polls are always important.
A World Reborn's Day 0 poll options were literally meaningless. Players had to choose between Prog and other music genres. Poll options had nothing to do with the lore of the game. The outcome of the poll, however, did.
I did a quick search on these poll options and didn't find anything meaningful, and made my post.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Picture looks fine.

I can vote after having posted. Looks like DH saw he couldn't vote, posted, and then pooped about not being able to vote without realising he should now be able to.

Weird post.

Jack is bad

I was just about to give you a weird tell bad read.

[DharmaHelper]

What do you think of the reason I gave for voting for Tranq, DH? It was your post, after all.

Tranq's post RE: "the poll is meaningless" struck me as disingenuous. Like he wanted to find something to say and wanted to feign ignorance.

It's a suspicious thing to have said on his part, and a good reason to vote for him.

[DharmaHelper]

I'm glad you asked, juliets.

Note i said poll options, not polls. LC/BR polls are always important.
A World Reborn's Day 0 poll options were literally meaningless. Players had to choose between Prog and other music genres. Poll options had nothing to do with the lore of the game. The outcome of the poll, however, did.
I did a quick search on these poll options and didn't find anything meaningful, and made my post.

Major Meeeehhhhhhh

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack my boy. Come, confess your sins to me.

I’m the towniest town there ever was. You’ll see.

[Sloonei]

What do you think of the reason I gave for voting for Tranq, DH? It was your post, after all.

Tranq's post RE: "the poll is meaningless" struck me as disingenuous. Like he wanted to find something to say and wanted to feign ignorance.

It's a suspicious thing to have said on his part, and a good reason to vote for him.

My thoughts eggzacktly, but I give him less meh for his explanation just now.

[DharmaHelper]

What do you think of the reason I gave for voting for Tranq, DH? It was your post, after all.

Tranq's post RE: "the poll is meaningless" struck me as disingenuous. Like he wanted to find something to say and wanted to feign ignorance.

It's a suspicious thing to have said on his part, and a good reason to vote for him.

My thoughts eggzacktly, but I give him less meh for his explanation just now.

It's less suspicious of you to articulate those reasons instead of parroting me twice.

[Sloonei]

What do you think of the reason I gave for voting for Tranq, DH? It was your post, after all.

Tranq's post RE: "the poll is meaningless" struck me as disingenuous. Like he wanted to find something to say and wanted to feign ignorance.

It's a suspicious thing to have said on his part, and a good reason to vote for him.

My thoughts eggzacktly, but I give him less meh for his explanation just now.

It's less suspicious of you to articulate those reasons instead of parroting me twice.

I do not care about this right now.

[juliets]

I'm glad you asked, juliets.

Note i said poll options, not polls. LC/BR polls are always important.
A World Reborn's Day 0 poll options were literally meaningless. Players had to choose between Prog and other music genres. Poll options had nothing to do with the lore of the game. The outcome of the poll, however, did.
I did a quick search on these poll options and didn't find anything meaningful, and made my post.

huh, you're right. I went back and looked at the game and indeed the poll options were just music genres but the poll outcome was those that those who voted one of the options got taken off the day 1 poll. So, I see what you mean about the difference between options and polls so this explanation rings true to me. Thanks for explaining.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Please note that the map grid in the first post has been updated to the current state of the map. It had been an older version. It went from this:



...to this:

LC, those are the exact same...

[juliets]

I have to get ready and go to a party so I will be on intermittently for the rest of the afternoon and evening.

[sabie12]

With all the talk of tying up lunches and the tribunal it does look like some of the roles impact the amount of votes people have on them anyway. So that would mean there is a potential for a situation to appear as a tie and then not really be that if someone has minus votes or extra secret votes put on them or whatever right? Or would the tribunal players know that information prior to their input?

[sabie12]

Please note that the map grid in the first post has been updated to the current state of the map. It had been an older version. It went from this:



...to this:

LC, those are the exact same...

There are now bridges which I assume must be important for some reason?

[Turnip Head]

Anyway I've ranked the people who have currently voted from most to least suspicious as of me typing this post without being linkied into any other votes:


Cbob - "His posting" is a funny but ultimately hollow and wormy way to explain the Colin vote
Colin - "No U" vote was cheeky but still bad.
Chuck - Did not give a reason for his DDL vote which IIRC came close to if not directly after Epi said he'd be voting DDL. Chuck pulling up to the train station early AF to save himself a seat.
Sloonei - Voting for anyone based on other people's reasons for suspecting people is suspicious to me. Make your own points. Stand on your own ground.
TH - Early vote for Sorsha for a hollow, funny reason. Doesn't look serious. Sorsha's not done anything overtly suspicious. Could be buddying/distancing but not worth losing my shit over instantly.
Epi - His DDL vote makes sense, he gave a good reason and was consistent.

I read this the first time but it's not exactly meaty by your standards. Why requote it?

[ColinIsCool]

Sloonei is supertowning, which is good.

As a supertown, I demand that you talk about my Tranq vote.

I like it as far as where your mind’s at hunt-wise, but being unfamiliar with Tranq I’m reluctant to support it.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine

[Sloonei]

old habits die hard

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

I’ll hold your hand, bae.

Spoiler: show

but only cause I miss you and also because I was kinda planning to sheep you, Sloonei and Speedchuck for the first half of the game anyway. And cause my Narya. Also cause I know you know you can’t just buddy me that easily in a lasting way so this doesn’t do you any good if you’re not town. Like I legit think this is a town indicative thing for you to say. Maybe a 3P one but statistics show you’re more likely town than 3P.

[Jackofhearts2005]

btw i decided i have a truth meta now

Lol let’s lynch Enrique.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nutella is fluffing so hard this game I almost think she has a curse.

My gut instinct is “town” but that’s stupid cause there’s no basis for fluff Nutella = town.

Gth read her.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I normally don't analyse roles too deeply at once but I'm normally not given a list of 28 roles that I'm supposed to figure out the alignment of so that really incited my curiosity.

I did a little digging and psi ninja was previously town while Yin and Yang were previously 3P.

[Sloonei]

Fluffy nutella would make an excellent pastry filling.

[ColinIsCool]

Anyway I've ranked the people who have currently voted from most to least suspicious as of me typing this post without being linkied into any other votes:


Cbob - "His posting" is a funny but ultimately hollow and wormy way to explain the Colin vote
Colin - "No U" vote was cheeky but still bad.
Chuck - Did not give a reason for his DDL vote which IIRC came close to if not directly after Epi said he'd be voting DDL. Chuck pulling up to the train station early AF to save himself a seat.
Sloonei - Voting for anyone based on other people's reasons for suspecting people is suspicious to me. Make your own points. Stand on your own ground.
TH - Early vote for Sorsha for a hollow, funny reason. Doesn't look serious. Sorsha's not done anything overtly suspicious. Could be buddying/distancing but not worth losing my shit over instantly.
Epi - His DDL vote makes sense, he gave a good reason and was consistent.

I read this the first time but it's not exactly meaty by your standards. Why requote it?

I believe he added me, possibly others.

[nutella]

Can I suggest that we change the vote word from aubergine to something that is not one of the role names? I mean, if the point is to be easily searched, then it seems to me it would make it easier if it were a word that isn't likely to come up. Also, lol to the hosts for putting that in there.

This aubergine thing sounds silly. Why is there a need to have a vote word?

Because since the poll itself no longer shows vote order some people may want to go back through the thread and track the vote order so the word aubergine was attached to in-thread votes (using the vote tags). That way you can search aubergine and bring up the votes and see the order.

Ok, i previewed a vote and see how it works now. I thought y'all were literally typing aubergine every time.
Still, looks like not everyone uses the vote tags so it doesn't really work imo. The whole thing looks ridiculous

Tbh I think it doesn't actually work lol. Since the word is part of the tag code it's not actually searchable text. So it's kinda pointless.

[Sloonei]

the tag code comes up in a Ctrl+F search but not a word search.

[nutella]

Sloonei is supertowning, which is good.

Ok


Howbouyou

[Kylemii]

pichu is good in this game

How

she has the most muscles

[ColinIsCool]

Sloonei is supertowning, which is good.

Ok


Howbouyou

Absolutely not supertowning.

[nutella]

Screw it let's get this over with early or I'll be uneasy for the rest of the game [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

[ColinIsCool]

Screw it let's get this over with early or I'll be uneasy for the rest of the game [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

Should be DH tbh

[nutella]

Screw it let's get this over with early or I'll be uneasy for the rest of the game [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

Should be DH tbh

Mmmm he's probably gonna turn 3p on like D4 or some shit

[Kylemii]

Keep an eye on the folks who darted in here early and, in light of the D0 poll result, pooh-poohed ties on the lynch poll. It’s a subtle way to establish a preemptive cop-out for either train-hopping later (to show they stick to their convictions) or blame-shifting to set up fall guys who tie polls that result in mislynches.

Close lynches and ties (whether mid-phase or at EOD) are valuable sources of information. Granted, that information is best in hindsight after the herd has thinned some.

like

We may not know who is on the Tribunal but we’re starting out with more civs than baddies (unless this game is extra-double whacky) and there are also two baddie factions, so the odds are against Tribunal being filled with one baddie team.

what is tribunal?

[Kylemii]

Yeah if someone votes to break ties that's also worth looking at but what I'm saying is if someone votes to cause a tie, and especially if that tie then breaks against whoever they voted for, that's a red flag for me

when did this start? was this always your opinion on ties? i don't remember this coming up before and i feel like it would have, cus i basically do that constantly

[Sloonei]

I'm pretty sure we'll catch scum in Ravenclaw. Let's focus on them.

[Sloonei]

Yeah if someone votes to break ties that's also worth looking at but what I'm saying is if someone votes to cause a tie, and especially if that tie then breaks against whoever they voted for, that's a red flag for me

when did this start? was this always your opinion on ties? i don't remember this coming up before and i feel like it would have, cus i basically do that constantly

he's talking about tribunal

[DrWilgy]

To me the only reason a person would vote to tie a lynch that they weren't in danger in is because they are on the tribunal or know who is and they want to save the person that is in the lead during the un-tied period.

Significantly more plausible baddie motives RE: Ties.

But what if there's a baddie team with nobody on the tribunal, and hypothetically one of their own is up for a lynch? They'd want to avoid that tie, wouldn't they?

Yeah if someone votes to break ties that's also worth looking at but what I'm saying is if someone votes to cause a tie, and especially if that tie then breaks against whoever they voted for, that's a red flag for me

So...

Your strategy is to examine polls that get made into a tie and polls that do not get made into a tie?

Cool.

I'm not sure what's difficult to grasp about "I'm placing a higher level of scrutiny on votes that result in a tied lynch"

Scrutinize this.

[colonialbob]

(In general I always think that pushing for a tie is a lame strategy. There's always a mechanism for deciding the result, and that mechanism always takes the responsibility of the outcome away from the hands of the voters, and that's never preferable. The existence of the tribunal does not change that. We should avoid any situations that would make the tribunal relevant, but none of this is really special to this game.)

The reason to avoid ties has nothing to do with who is on the tribunal and everything to do with making it harder to draw conclusions from the lunch result.

[colonialbob]

(In general I always think that pushing for a tie is a lame strategy. There's always a mechanism for deciding the result, and that mechanism always takes the responsibility of the outcome away from the hands of the voters, and that's never preferable. The existence of the tribunal does not change that. We should avoid any situations that would make the tribunal relevant, but none of this is really special to this game.)

The reason to avoid ties has nothing to do with who is on the tribunal and everything to do with making it harder to draw conclusions from the lunch result.

lern 2 post n00b

[Sloonei]

Hey Colllllllin, aren't you gonna acknowledge my vote, Collllllin?

[Sloonei]

my favorite thing in mafia games is attention.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hmm good, we've started actually playing.

Epi, you still feeling DDL?

SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.

Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

Update: I no longer want to trust team you.

Looks like a lot of people busy this weekend... including me (as I will be away most of today).

[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine

Boo hiss.

[Jackofhearts2005]

btw i decided i have a truth meta now

Lynch Enrique

This is the game where I have no original thoughts.

[colonialbob]

Hmm good, we've started actually playing.

Epi, you still feeling DDL?

SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.

@Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

Why Jack?

I've played with him way more than anybody else here

[G-Man]

Keep an eye on the folks who darted in here early and, in light of the D0 poll result, pooh-poohed ties on the lynch poll. It’s a subtle way to establish a preemptive cop-out for either train-hopping later (to show they stick to their convictions) or blame-shifting to set up fall guys who tie polls that result in mislynches.

Close lynches and ties (whether mid-phase or at EOD) are valuable sources of information. Granted, that information is best in hindsight after the herd has thinned some.

like

We may not know who is on the Tribunal but we’re starting out with more civs than baddies (unless this game is extra-double whacky) and there are also two baddie factions, so the odds are against Tribunal being filled with one baddie team.

what is tribunal?

Knowledge is power:

The Tribunal of Judgement has been chosen. Three players will each secretly vote to decide the outcome of tied lynches.

[colonialbob]

btw i decided i have a truth meta now

Lynch Enrique

This is the game where I have no original thoughts.

That is every game

PS your hold hand post makes me feel better about you again, let's go solve this thing

[colonialbob]

Anyway I've ranked the people who have currently voted from most to least suspicious as of me typing this post without being linkied into any other votes:


Cbob - "His posting" is a funny but ultimately hollow and wormy way to explain the Colin vote
Chuck - Did not give a reason for his DDL vote which IIRC came close to if not directly after Epi said he'd be voting DDL. Chuck pulling up to the train station early AF to save himself a seat.
Sloonei - Voting for anyone based on other people's reasons for suspecting people is suspicious to me. Make your own points. Stand on your own ground.
TH - Early vote for Sorsha for a hollow, funny reason. Doesn't look serious. Sorsha's not done anything overtly suspicious. Could be buddying/distancing but not worth losing my shit over instantly.
Epi - His DDL vote makes sense, he gave a good reason and was consistent.

There's something specific that led to my vote but I don't want to share yet because I'd rather see how he handles the pressure

So far: not great, bob

[Jackofhearts2005]

Can I suggest that we change the vote word from aubergine to something that is not one of the role names? I mean, if the point is to be easily searched, then it seems to me it would make it easier if it were a word that isn't likely to come up. Also, lol to the hosts for putting that in there.

This aubergine thing sounds silly. Why is there a need to have a vote word?

Because I hate myself.

[Tranq]

So what happens if there's a three-way tie and the three Tribunal members all vote differently?