Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 13]

[Long Con]

Blue magical lights streak across the sky, and plunge into bodies of water across the Realm, freezing them all solid!

For the next phase, players may travel across water as though it were land, and players who are underwater are unable to move.

[Turnip Head]

[mention]Quin[/mention] My point to Epi was that he argued Sloon's use of "genuine" was unnecessary from a civilian standpoint, I was trying to gague whether or not he felt similarly about Luna's "valid". I wasn't agreeing with Epi either way, although i could have worded it better I was disagreeing with his conclusion, and wondering if the fact that Luna had said something similar influenced his read on sloonei. He stated that it did not.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jackofhearts2005-bydoobydoo, where are you? We have much to discuss

It's my daughter's fourth birthday today so I'm not going to be super active for the rest of the phase.

Would love to be atmentioned with cases and questions though.

Didn't know you had a kid.

I have two.

[timmer]

I put a vote on Wilgy. I didn't find his posts early on very suspicious before because I assumed he would eventually come in and start posting but he's really just left things as is, which feels a bit worse.

[juliets]

[mention]Quin[/mention] are these the DDL posts that influenced you to vote G-Man? If so, is there anything that you can add in terms of your opinion or do these two posts sum it up?

Keep an eye on the folks who darted in here early and, in light of the D0 poll result, pooh-poohed ties on the lynch poll. It’s a subtle way to establish a preemptive cop-out for either train-hopping later (to show they stick to their convictions) or blame-shifting to set up fall guys who tie polls that result in mislynches.

Close lynches and ties (whether mid-phase or at EOD) are valuable sources of information. Granted, that information is best in hindsight after the herd has thinned some.

We may not know who is on the Tribunal but we’re starting out with more civs than baddies (unless this game is extra-double whacky) and there are also two baddie factions, so the odds are against Tribunal being filled with one baddie team.

This post is an amazing piece of wisdom and logic that doesn't acrually do any scumhuting.

To me the only reason a person would vote to tie a lynch that they weren't in danger in is because they are on the tribunal or know who is and they want to save the person that is in the lead during the un-tied period.

Significantly more plausible baddie motives RE: Ties.

Knowing more than meets the eye is far from the only reason that ties happen. At EOD it does look suspicious but it happens many times during the day phase as well. Some people have hunches about and reads on people that lead them to tie up the poll. Poll momentum shifts as the day progresses as well. Your post is very short-sighted, reactive, and dismissive. Anyone else posting it and I’d be somewhat suspicious. But you’re you, so I don’t know if the needle moves much.

The wisdom continues. G-Man knows how to play mafia.

I am hyped to see him actually playing.

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

[wolbre04]

don't really feel like I can comfortably vote for anyone

I guess the wilgy wagon feels kinda funky to me bc its this early in the game and hes prolly just busy or lazy

Why do you feel like luna/svs/sig are all town?

Sig is just being how he always is, I don't really think hes doing anything out of the ordinary for someone who said hes gonna be only around here and there

SVS seemed to actually kinda understand what sig was saying about her, seemed really towny to kinda agree to some level with the person poking at you

This feels distinctly different than what I remember mafia luna being like in upick

[G-Man]

Know this- I just took a screenshot of the post count. I’m going to skim over some ISO’s here like I said I would. Be back soon.

[timmer]

Ugh, not liking that vote. There isn't enough on wilgy yo feel good about that vote. I need a better target.

[colonialbob]

Ugh, not liking that vote. There isn't enough on wilgy yo feel good about that vote. I need a better target.

"Disgusting"

[MacDougall]

Is there a Wilgy case or is it day 1 lynch a lurker?

[MacDougall]

Ugh, not liking that vote. There isn't enough on wilgy yo feel good about that vote. I need a better target.

There's not much on anyone and most of us are gonna end up voting haphazardly so why hold yourself to an unreasonably high standard? Looking at all those with votes I think Wilgy is the best lynch among them.

[MacDougall]

Actually let's lynch Enrique. Dude wants to get lynched let's accommodate him.

[Turnip Head]

I'd rather lynch sprityo, he's low-key lurkin

[MacDougall]

Let's lynch Enrique and see if my dreams are magical people. Jump on. Feels good over here.

[MacDougall]

I am gonna make the world's least justifiable rainbow list in one second.

[timmer]

Is there a Wilgy case or is it day 1 lynch a lurker?

Yeah I put a vote to see how it feels but lynching him doesn't feel right. Most be able to too do better than lynching an absent player.

[Sloonei]

don't really feel like I can comfortably vote for anyone

I guess the wilgy wagon feels kinda funky to me bc its this early in the game and hes prolly just busy or lazy

Why do you feel like luna/svs/sig are all town?

Sig is just being how he always is, I don't really think hes doing anything out of the ordinary for someone who said hes gonna be only around here and there

SVS seemed to actually kinda understand what sig was saying about her, seemed really towny to kinda agree to some level with the person poking at you

This feels distinctly different than what I remember mafia luna being like in upick

Can you identify any of the distinct differences between current Luna and U-pick Luna? What was the outcome of that game? (I played that game, but was only minimally invested)

[MacDougall]

The below are in no order:

The List of People Whose Lynches I Would Actively Object To Today:

DharmaHelper
Epignosis
juliets
S~V~S
timmer
Turnip Head

The List of People Who I Would Be Disappointed In The Lynch of Today:

Dragon D. Luffy
ColinIsCool
insertnamehere
Kylemii
nutella
Quin
sig
Sloonei
speedchuck
Tranq

The List Of People Who I Would Not Be Upset By If They Were Lynched Today:

wolbre04
sprityo
colonialbob
DrWilgy
Lorab
Lunalee
Dana
sabie12
Sorsha

The List of People I Would Be Quite Pleased With The Death Of Today:

Enrique
Jackofhearts2005
G-Man
Novaselinenever

[timmer]

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Made an early vote on DDL for what appears to be no reason and has only really posted fluff lately. Or am I missing something?

[DharmaHelper]

Oh shit I see some stuff has developed.

[Sloonei]

Taking a closer look at Luna to see how I feel about her contributions as a whole:
Cites a rule that could be broken if we're not careful. This can be seen in the same vein as DDL's mechanics-talk which got him into trouble. I'm not sure I want to treat it that way, but it's there.

@Sorsha Hi! I don't think I've played with you before. Also you're voting the same as me, and I thought that was cool.

Just sayin' hello. This post doesn't really do anything at all. Friendliness is forbidden in these parts. This would be a bit of evidence against a sorsha/luna baddie pairing if we ever get that far.

Are people really suspecting me for the role stuff?

I just liked the puzzle and wanted to see if I could figure it out.

Agreed. Epi doesn't look too bad for pointing out that you could be making a baddie play, but everyone else who has gone, "yeppers, DDL is bad for trying to discuss roles," and jumped on you wagon looks a bit suspect to me.

Cautious of the DDL bandwagon voters. Hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook.

Sloonei is supertowning, which is good.

Why? Sloonei also made a game mechanics type post. When DDL does it, he's bad, but when Sloonei does it he's "supertown"?

Questions why DDL is being treated different than me. Valid question.

Really feeling a Colin vote right now. Mostly for the way he hopped on DDL so early.

This is where the "bloodthirsty" perception kicks in. Colin placed his superlazy vote on DDL and a few people pounced. Luna was one of them. I don't love it, but looking at this post in retrospect, I do not feel as bad about it as I once did. I still don't feel great about it, but I can see it coming from a civilian Luna as well.

The rest of her discussion of the vote is provoked by others (Mac, SVS), so I don't think it's right to suggest that she was pushing hard against Colin. Rather, she was responding to criticism of her vote. I think I am talking myself out of a luna vote. She hasn't been around much today, but neither has speedchuck and I believe he mentioned that he'd be unable to do much today, and I assume they move in tandem together, so I don't hold this absence against her.

Conclusion: None of this gives me a firm town read on Luna, but I no longer believe in the suspicion that had prompted me to vote for her in the first place. I'd lean town, but, again, that's not a firm read. Moving my vote to... somewhere else.

[Sloonei]

The List of People I Would Be Quite Pleased With The Death Of Today:

Enrique
Jackofhearts2005
G-Man
Novaselinenever

Gimme an explanation for each of these names.

[sprityo]

Hmmm...sloonei I think said "take a look at sprityo" and I just did. This is his only post of any consequence:

Coming from experience, i think sloonei looks town. I drilled a hole into him for his weird wording and actions in megaman, and we were both town. I'm more interested in the fact DDL still isnt the main topic of discussion with 3 votes on him

(he corrected DDL to Colin in his next post)

I don't disagree with his post but it's the only thing he's said that's relevant on day 1 (day 0 he gave us the definition of verisimilitude) and he only has 6 posts in all. This makes me nervous, it makes me think of a Day 1 lay-low baddie. I don't think it's enough to change my vote though. @sprityo if you come online could you give us some game related thoughts? Who are you going to vote for and why?

Probably no one, because I haven’t invested myself yet

Don’t get me wrong, this setup looks great, but I’ll be in the back seat putting lollipops in people’s hair until I think feel like doing otherwise

[sprityo]

I'd rather lynch sprityo, he's low-key lurkin

I’m high key lurking you incessant ape

How about you say something that’s new?

[nutella]

My valid suspicion of Colin shows that day one can contain valid suspicions.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin

My question is for Epignosis, is the first quote suss?

No.

Double-standards, and what not, but I don't care.

Women write differently than men.

Epi is bad for not checking the context behind why Luna was using the word valid.
Or Turnip is bad for posing the question without checking the context behind why Luna was using the word valid.

got em

I don't follow pls explain

Sloonei and Luna's qualifiers are different. One could argue Sloonei was qualifying his post - "I have a genuine suspicion..." but Luna's use of valid is a reference to her earlier rebuttal where Mac said Day 1 cases are based on nothing and a direct quote using the term valid from SVS. The fact that she repeats the word valid in the same post should make this obvious.

Epi made a blanket statement about how women post which means he didn't check context. If he did he'd have realised the difference between the two. I don't expect this from town.

Mmmmm ok I see. Don't think I agree though. I have other issues with Epi's gender-based statement but I think he is town. I think the point is a little stronger against TH though.

[sprityo]

That was rude of me TH

I just felt like being nasty.


But yeah for real have you not noticed this is how I play now

[sprityo]

(There’s an implied “I’m sorry in there” too)

[MacDougall]

The List of People I Would Be Quite Pleased With The Death Of Today:

Enrique
Jackofhearts2005
G-Man
Novaselinenever

Gimme an explanation for each of these names.

Enrique - Dude self voted, has done nothing else, I had a dream.

Jack - Tone/gut. Has posted enough to be a good base for future analysis if indeed flips bad.

G-Man - Appears to have rattled the pingdars of many people and I have seen nothing to make me feel good at all. Has posted enough to be a good base for future analysis if indeed flips bad.

Nova - Has Nova even posted? I have seen Nova flip Mafia when not posting enough in the early game to get the feeling that Nova checks role PMs sometimes and just ignores games if he's bad.

[timmer]

Does anyone have thoughts on my soeedchuck vote? It's a very quick iso to read

[MacDougall]

Does anyone have thoughts on my soeedchuck vote? It's a very quick iso to read

I just read his ISO. It's not like a glowing civvie beacon but at least he's posting his thoughts. I wouldn't lynch.

[timmer]

But it's thoughts on game mechanics only.

[Sloonei]

The List of People I Would Be Quite Pleased With The Death Of Today:

Enrique
Jackofhearts2005
G-Man
Novaselinenever

Gimme an explanation for each of these names.

Enrique - Dude self voted, has done nothing else, I had a dream.

Jack - Tone/gut. Has posted enough to be a good base for future analysis if indeed flips bad.

G-Man - Appears to have rattled the pingdars of many people and I have seen nothing to make me feel good at all. Has posted enough to be a good base for future analysis if indeed flips bad.

Nova - Has Nova even posted? I have seen Nova flip Mafia when not posting enough in the early game to get the feeling that Nova checks role PMs sometimes and just ignores games if he's bad.

Nova's been absent early in games regardless of alignment. I don't think his lack of presence is alignment indicative.

I want to allow G-man time to settle into the game. I'm not alarmed by any of the things he's said and, in my experience with him as player, his hunting comes more from analyzing voter/mechanical information. For him to be quiet and focused on technical things on Day seems perfectly normal for him.

I don't have the same tone read on Jack, but he's not a strong read either way. I could stand to look at him more closely.

Enrique did indeed self-vote. He's done nothing but has been around and I don't love it. He'd be my top choice of the players on this list, but I'm not particularly inclined to go that way. He's promised to get more involved after the weekend anyway.

[timmer]

For the record, if we end up on an Enrique lynch I'll be ok with that.

[Sloonei]

Temporarily moving my vote back to sig because that's where I'm most comfortable with it. I just don't want to leave it on luna while I dig through some more ISOs.

[MacDougall]

But it's thoughts on game mechanics only.

Upon further inspection you are right about that and that is a pretty bad look for him.

Also you are most definitely rocketing up my town reads list for actually doing this kind of legwork.

[MacDougall]

Temporarily moving my vote back to sig because that's where I'm most comfortable with it. I just don't want to leave it on luna while I dig through some more ISOs.

Point me at your sig notes

[Turnip Head]

I'd rather lynch sprityo, he's low-key lurkin

I’m high key lurking you incessant ape

How about you say something that’s new?

[colonialbob]

Hmmm...sloonei I think said "take a look at sprityo" and I just did. This is his only post of any consequence:

Coming from experience, i think sloonei looks town. I drilled a hole into him for his weird wording and actions in megaman, and we were both town. I'm more interested in the fact DDL still isnt the main topic of discussion with 3 votes on him

(he corrected DDL to Colin in his next post)

I don't disagree with his post but it's the only thing he's said that's relevant on day 1 (day 0 he gave us the definition of verisimilitude) and he only has 6 posts in all. This makes me nervous, it makes me think of a Day 1 lay-low baddie. I don't think it's enough to change my vote though. @sprityo if you come online could you give us some game related thoughts? Who are you going to vote for and why?

Probably no one, because I haven’t invested myself yet

Don’t get me wrong, this setup looks great, but I’ll be in the back seat putting lollipops in people’s hair until I think feel like doing otherwise

[Sloonei]

I intended to start with a look at Jack's ISO, but to my surprise LoRab's name was on the player list! So let's have a quick look at what she's got going on:

Eek! Sorry to have missed night 0. Totally missed that I had a pm. Thank you dear host for letting me know!!! Just got on an airplane. Will check in again in a couple of hours.

She's traveling. That justifies lower-end participation. Fair deal, but not alignment indicative at all.

OK....I got wifi on the plane...

Can I suggest that we change the vote word from aubergine to something that is not one of the role names? I mean, if the point is to be easily searched, then it seems to me it would make it easier if it were a word that isn't likely to come up. Also, lol to the hosts for putting that in there.

@LC @BR: Is the difference in the map from earlier to current based on a host correction, or based on night 0 activity?

aubergine beef. not really game-relevant.

I normally don't analyse roles too deeply at once but I'm normally not given a list of 28 roles that I'm supposed to figure out the alignment of so that really incited my curiosity.

I did a little digging and psi ninja was previously town while Yin and Yang were previously 3P.

Assuming 3P and Independant are the same definition, Yin and Yang were really more hybrid indy/neutral roles, leaning towards neutral in the way they played out, which was likely be design. They were meant to kill each other, in order to choose an alignment, which is exactly what happened. I don't remember the extent to which randomization was truly random in that game (in that era on that forum, there was often tweaking to randomization--it was an accepted part of the culture), and both players who had those roles would be likely to play it that way. The likelihood of them winning as an independent LMS was slim--but for one of them to kill the other in order to join a team was great. So, I wouldn't really call them indy.

That all probably should have been pink.

Shares some nifty game lore. This is appreciated, but again not particularly game-relevant.

And that's it. I look forward to LoRab getting into this game for real, whenever that happens. Absolutely nothing here is alignment indicative.

[Turnip Head]

(There’s an implied “I’m sorry in there” too)

I should probably apologizing for emotionally manipulating you in Outpost 31, luv u boo

But yeah for a while we had the daffodils and picnic baskets version of sprityo, now we have... this

[Sloonei]

Temporarily moving my vote back to sig because that's where I'm most comfortable with it. I just don't want to leave it on luna while I dig through some more ISOs.

Point me at your sig notes

I gave a quick overview here. Also provided some elaboration here.

[Sloonei]

[mention]sprityo[/mention] you got any lukewarm takes from the backseat while you're with us?

[MacDougall]

I'm giving sincere consideration to trusting Mac's dream vision.

Enri's legit just give him a chance to get settled in

Legit your teammate?

[timmer]

I'm not moving my vote. I wish people would read speedchuck s posts and see what I see. Talking only about game mechanics and goofing.

[G-Man]

KA-POW! We watched Incredibles 2 tonight. I wasn’t all that impressed.

Anywho, the top five talkers by post count when I snagged it were Sloonei, DH, juliets, timmer, and Epi.

Sloonei was quite talkative for someone with a paper to write. From my skim, he started out throwing poo everywhere to fetch reactions. Standard issue stuff. He tried to shut down Epi’s ‘gotcha’ sequence and became less poo-flingy as the day went on. By the end of the ISO he felt more accommodating and interactive rather than just “WHAM with the poo and tell me how you feel about that.” More dialogue and less shooting from the hip. It’s been a long time since I played with full-bore Sloonei.

DH was a pretty good read but I know he’s wiley as all get out after seeing his charm offensive in Outpost 31. Thing of beauty, that one. He talks about a number of people without going too far in interpreting their actions. No seed-planting as far as I can detect. Nothing out of place there, but Outpost 31.

Juliets spends most of her time responding to people’s thoughts and stances on other people without offering many of her own thoughts on anyone. I feel like this is normal but it’s also easy to fake. Her post count is high but it is, as she admits, all over the place. Is she being a sponge or just feigning a somewhat active appearance?

Timmer feels like Timmer. Some general discussion the first half of Day 1 but he doesn’t just ride the phase out in neutral. He’s warming up, gradually engaging in discussion about specific people and offering his own insight. Progression doesn’t always mean anything but it felt good to see it from a Top 5 Talker.

Epi seemed to Epi along but then hit Sloonei with a try-hard sledgehammer with extra stank on it. He’s a force to be reckoned with regardless of alignment, and no one can accuse him of dialing it in early here. It’s a bold play for a baddie to try to demolish a civvie like this early but there are also two baddie teams, so baddies are hunting too. Fairly standard stuff but the presence of multiple baddie teams gives me pause.

If I had to put these five in order of most likely to be faking it to least likely, my gut puts it like this:

Juliets
Epi
Sloonei
DH
Timmer

[Turnip Head]

This poll is a clusterfuck right now

[MacDougall]

Sloonei I don't get the sig thing at all

[colonialbob]

Which players are you considering voting for?

It's the other way around for me right now, i have a couple of players i don't want to vote for. That's usually how it is on Day 1. G-Man's post is one i liked, for example.
I wouldn't mind a Wilgy vote.

Looking at wilgy voters and this post stands out. It's after juliets and Sloonei have expressed potential wilgy votes. "I don't really have people I want to vote for... maybe wilgy". Seems like an odd choice.

[Sloonei]

Jack of Farts

Somebody talk to me about times nonsensical looking poll options helped or harmed your faction.

I remember lots of “oh, the cubs should do this” discussions but I’ve never looked back to see if those statements were correct.

First sort of on-topic post is a call for information on the Day 0 poll options. This is all we had to talk about at the time and polls like this aren't a thing where Jack comes from. Not alignment indicative.

i voted "will you become more" because it's either a rhetorical question with a motivating connotation or a question as to whether i'm going to get super fat this christmas in which case the answer is yes

Town.

i won't be buddied this time, punk.

It was worth a shot.

Jack likes to throw around votes like this early on. Quin hates to be town read. This exchange could have been predicted in pre-game.

I'm going to be voting DDL tomorrow.

The speculation over the roles is an act to get involved.

Now go.

Disagree. DDL tends to be mechanically minded.

Then again, I read DDL for shit.

Defends DDL and then walks it back a little. Okay.

Jack my boy. Come, confess your sins to me.

I’m the towniest town there ever was. You’ll see.

I remember something like this in Hogwarts, accio post!

Is Jack bad?

To the bone.

But I ain't no death eater.

Jack was bad in this game. I called him out for this post because it felt like feigned nonchalance. Jack's response to Mac's "confess your sins" post here feels more natural and relaxed to me. Therefore I can call Jack a locktown read and will rip the head off anyone who suggests lynching him. Or something.

btw i decided i have a truth meta now

Lol let’s lynch Enrique.

Okay.

Nutella is fluffing so hard this game I almost think she has a curse.

My gut instinct is “town” but that’s stupid cause there’s no basis for fluff Nutella = town.

Gth read her.

I'm not sure what's happening here. He seems to want to townread nutella, but expresses doubt about the premise of his read and then (I think) asks DDL for a gth read of her, but doesn't offer a clear read himself.

@colonialbob

If the summary is

Colin: Imma do something that comes across as suspicious D1.
Sloonei: Vote Colin
Epi: Bullshit. Colin is town, therefore you are bad.

Then I tend to lean on Sloonei being bad over Colin. Colin has been almost mislynched like thirty times in the past couple games. Sloonei should know better.

Will update this read once I get to the part of the thread where Colin actually does the suspicious thing.

I think Epi?’s suspicion on DDL was junk but I don’t know why others jumped on DDL.

This is not an accurate summary of events, but Jack hasn't pursued me as a suspect so I'm not really bothered by it and there's no indication that this was a willful attempt to skew the chronology of events. Some criticism of Epi. I haven't seen a read on Epi from Jack yet, that'd be a handy thing.

There's not much after that. Some light banter. This is not the most involved I've ever seen Jack (happy birthday to his daughter), but I don't get any sinister vibes from him. For what it's worth, he was my first genuine suspect when I subbed into Hogwarts about a month ago, so there's at least some recent precedent for me tone reading him accurately. That's not this game though.

Lean town.

[DharmaHelper]

My favorite holiday tradition is staying up till 4am to read an LC lynch/night post.