World Flags Mafia GAME OVER - TOWN WINS

[JaggedJimmyJay]

With the Luna/Dunya route and the Jack route both drying up, I vote wait until we don't immediately shoot anyone. Back to the drawing board first.

Linki: Probably town now that I don't have to pretend I'm going to shoot you to keep from actually getting a working gun sent to me.

Figured. You’re the granny until someone else tells me you’re not.

[MacDougall]

Now accepting nominations for whom I should shoot.

jack 100%

Yes let's kill Jack and Jay at the same time. Very town.

[Lunalee]

Now accepting nominations for whom I should shoot.

jack 100%

Yes let's kill Jack and Jay at the same time. Very town.

why do you say "and Jay"? Didn't know he was up for the kill.

[speedchuck]

Now accepting nominations for whom I should shoot.

Aw, yiss, let's get in on this stuff already.

I nominate Leetic

[Sloonei]

Is there incentive for a granny to counterclaim jack?

[Sloonei]

Now accepting nominations for whom I should shoot.

Aw, yiss, let's get in on this stuff already.

I nominate Leetic

Why?

[MacDougall]

Now accepting nominations for whom I should shoot.

jack 100%

Yes let's kill Jack and Jay at the same time. Very town.

why do you say "and Jay"? Didn't know he was up for the kill.

Jack claimed Granny. If Jay targets Jack they will both die unless Jack is lying which I doubt.

[Lunalee]

Is there incentive for a granny to counterclaim jack?

No, I don't think it would be wise for the granny to claim. Which makes me doubt Jack's claim. If someone claims to be granny, it would make scum hesitant to visit them lest they die. If granny does not claim but instead antagonizes the thread, "fishing" to be visited by scum, they then might get a kill.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Is there incentive for a granny to counterclaim jack?

Elimination of a nightkill going into D2 in a world where I’m the last member of Epi and DDL’s team. That’s massive motivation.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Is there incentive for a granny to counterclaim jack?

No, I don't think it would be wise for the granny to claim. Which makes me doubt Jack's claim. If someone claims to be granny, it would make scum hesitant to visit them lest they die. If granny does not claim but instead antagonizes the thread, "fishing" to be visited by scum, they then might get a kill.

What the frack do you think I’ve been doing? I even expressed annoyance that DDL was a fake gift giver and not a ninja.

[MacDougall]

Is there incentive for a granny to counterclaim jack?

No, I don't think it would be wise for the granny to claim. Which makes me doubt Jack's claim. If someone claims to be granny, it would make scum hesitant to visit them lest they die. If granny does not claim but instead antagonizes the thread, "fishing" to be visited by scum, they then might get a kill.

I disagree.

[Lunalee]

Now accepting nominations for whom I should shoot.

jack 100%

Yes let's kill Jack and Jay at the same time. Very town.

why do you say "and Jay"? Didn't know he was up for the kill.

Jack claimed Granny. If Jay targets Jack they will both die unless Jack is lying which I doubt.

oh, right.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don’t think day actions count as visits and i can’t be killed during the day except by lynch but it’d still waste a bullet that would be better used elsewhere.

[MacDougall]

I don’t think day actions count as visits and i can’t be killed during the day except by lynch but it’d still waste a bullet that would be better used elsewhere.

[mention]sprityo[/mention] conferm?

[sprityo]

I don’t think day actions count as visits and i can’t be killed during the day except by lynch but it’d still waste a bullet that would be better used elsewhere.

sprityo conferm?

day activations do not count as visits

[speedchuck]

Now accepting nominations for whom I should shoot.

Aw, yiss, let's get in on this stuff already.

I nominate Leetic

Why?

Compatible teammate with current scumteam and is currently struggling with being busy

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll do some interactive checks for leetic myself and see where it goes.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

leetic and DDL

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Who said anything about it having to do with pressure?

What other reason would you have to vote him?

To remove him from the game and advance a civilian victory. Would that work?

I don't know, how exactly are you sure that removing him would achieve that result?

I'm not. That must be why Mafia is so exciting.

I'll rephrase that: How exactly do you believe that removing him would achieve that result?

I think you are new here, so let me tell you about Epi a little.

He doesn't care about pressures votes, info votes, or any kind of baloney. He believes votes are for lynching people and that's it.

He's the site's ultimate no-nonsense guy. Complicated plays like that don't impress him. Which can be good because people tend to do nonsense. Though his stubborness can damage town sometimes.

He is also prone to engaging people in endless circular arguments that serve no purpose but amuse himself, which he is probably doing with you.

In other words, you are probably wasting your time imo.

Well this got off to an interesting start. leetic was the one who received DDL's lecture on the persona that is Epignosis. If they're teamed, then that means this interchange involved the entire Dictator mafia team. WIFOM is neat and all, but I find myself inclined to assume otherwise. I welcome thoughts; it's worth discussion.

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Leetic's post is meh. Salad-flavor salad. But he's new I think so maybe he's just scared of the post count and trying to find his place.

DDL gave leetic a little negative press and also forgave him for it. Not great at face value, though it doesn't scream at me either.

Spoiler: show

Gth read

Leetic
TSA

scum
town

DDL gave leetic the scum GTH read.

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DragonDLuffy - Like DF, three posts, and not too much within those three posts. For the sake of consistency, very slight scum lean I guess.

This was within leetic's larger reads list. It came before DDL got involved, and so leetic mirrored his previous DF read "for the sake of consistency". That may sound awkward again at face value, though I find it incidental that DDL is the person involved. It's a matter of post count.

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Thing is, I get mislynched a lot. There are more games where I have been mislynched than ones that I haven't, in fact, all three games I played here, I got mislynched! After a while you have to learn to consider how people are going to react to your posts so that this doesn't keep happening as these mislynches always end up hurting town.

Cursory since I don't have much time: DDL is looking better, still not a fan of Mac, Jack is a bit hard to read as his behaviour seems counterintuitive as scum but I can't see a town motivation either.

This is something that I believe dunya didn't care for. I'm not sure why DDL was looking better. leetic did say it would be cursory, and it is.

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When I get a bit more time to actually do things, the thread decides to shut up on me. Nice.

Who or what has stood out to you the most so far?

dunya is the one running the show right now. I feel that she's likely town as I don't think scum would be like "sure go shoot me, I wouldn't mind" six hours into D1. Still, I feel there's not a whole lot else is going on right now, and if you took out everything relating to dunya, you'd probably be left with five pages of posts maximum. Too many people are hiding and I don't like it.

If you close your eyes and picture “Player Who Is Hiding in the Shadows”, what name(s) comes to mind?

Nova, DDL, Luna, DF, Colin, speed, Quin, Audrey, poutanko, speedchuck, LC of course, and even JJJ at this point. That may not even be all of them

DDL is among a number of players included in this "hiding in the shadows" assertion. He wished to convey that it was numerous people hiding so the long list is fine with me. I don't know that I agree with each of the people mentioned. Shrug.

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leetic and Epignosis

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Feels weird starting without a D0. I guess the pregame qualified as that.

Day 0 was a fortnight.

You are my first suspect for saying this.

Voting nova.

Still, we didn't have our roles during that time, so we couldn't get any scumhunting done during that time.

Do I look like someone who cares about that?

Perhaps you do.

leetic is also in my crosshairs for this nonsense.

Epignosis doesn't care for leetic's nonsense. I'm not sure this looks like a teammate interaction from either end. This would be rather atypical of Epi's style.

Spoiler: show

Civilians: dunya, Jack
Mafia: speedchuck, leetic, nova

Is Epi Mr. Distancer?

leetic, Epignosis and the pressure vote saga

Did they fudge this entire exchange for appearances? I won't say it's impossible. I want to know what others think though. At my prod, Epi granted that leetic's pressure voting wasn't necessary a problem.

Spoiler: show

People I do not suspect: JJJ, The Sac Count, leetic

That is all right now. A shamfur dispray.

After their pressure vote dialogue, leetic jumped into Epi's good graces.

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@dunya @JaggedJimmyJay I'm here as sub. I'm not going to put more effort than this. Take it or leave it.

I don't like the looks of this. Being a sub is no excuse for low effort.

It is an excuse. I was tagged on sign up thread and chose to be sub instead of fully player because I don't have time for this.

Still, you chose to accept this - if you didn't have the time, you shouldn't've subbed in.

I don't have the time. I signed up anyway. What does that have to do with poutie's alignment? There are plenty of people not doing diddley (as of this post).

Here's some chatter about replacements. I don't really care.

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Epignosis - Handled my pressure vote decently well, but was a bit quick to change his opinion on me... He's a bit hard to read, slight town I suppose.

Again from the reads list. Maybe I'm a dope, but this looks authentic to me.

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Conclusion

I can see leetic as a teammate here, but I can't say that it's a confident matter. I think this whole thing can be reduced to the three-way interchange I mentioned above. leetic and Epi bantered for a while about pressure votes, and then DDL explained the Epi persona to leetic.

Was all of that teammate fakery?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Quin[/mention], how would you feel about being shot right in the ass?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]sprityo[/mention], would you be able to change the thread title to Day 2?

(no huge deal, just helps with ISOs)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Based on those interactions, I do not believe Leetic was teamed with DDL and Epi.

The part where DDL tells Leetic Epi’s meta is the part that feels most like two teammates not talking about a third. Also, up until Epi posted the mean girls gif, that exchange didn’t look like teammates. The mean girls gif is kinda like “lettuce end this theatre” but that’s not really Epi style.

So yeah, probably not teamed imo.

[MacDougall]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] I know Jack has bought some distance with his Granny claim but can you ISO him with them just to put my soul at ease?

[MacDougall]

This argument is horse poop.

Mac is sleeping.

mac wasn't sleeping. mac has had ample reason to start playing and defending himself properly and he hasn't. why are you defending mac?

Why should I restrain myself from attacking a horse poop argument?

because....mac is sleeping now but this day has been 72 friggin hours long so your attack is a bit on the weak side?

what is your current read on Mac?

He's bad.

please share your "non-horse poop" reason for suspecting Mac.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Already explained why. Check my ISO if you need instructions.

So I did, and this is it:

Don't like Mac either. He made a bunch of Mac Attack posts and nothing seemed well-thought or substantial. He just exists.

It doesn't feel very substantial.

Result: Lunalee is definitely not on DDL/Epi team.

[MacDougall]

Where is yesterday's poll tho?

I want to see who was on my wagon?

[MacDougall]

Pout engagements with DDL

Silent poutanko worries me nearly as much as talky poutanko. The girl's deepwolf skills are insane. Keep watch on her.

Add the somewhat talky poutanko also worries you because I got all 3 activity levels as a reason for people to sus me

I noted when I initially did a read that this interaction struck me as odd. It still does now especially with DDL mafia flip because it looks like distancing 101.

faraday scum
long con ask a psychic

epi town
quin town
colin scum

Epi town in GTH? No other mentions of epi.

Definitely not ruling out Pout on the basis of this.

[MacDougall]

Nova is not on their team. Epi was tormenting the shit out of him. Might be worth a look for being responsible for his death though.

[MacDougall]

Sloonei, Nutella and Jay are all clear from being w/wi with Epi/DDL too

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JaggedJimmyJay I know Jack has bought some distance with his Granny claim but can you ISO him with them just to put my soul at ease?

Only if you share your take on the leetic review first.

[MacDougall]

I agree with Jack. I don't see a teammate connection.

[MacDougall]

ColinIsCool
DFaraday
Jackofhearts2005
Long Con
poutanko
Quin
sabie12

Narrowing the potential DDL/Epi teammate down to the above based on their ISOs. Will ISO DDL and Epi for mentions of the aforementioned to see if I can narrow it further.

[MacDougall]

Colin was mentioned once by both players. Town by DDL in a GTH.

JJJ, do you suspect dunya?

Yes.

You're voting for Colin who is voting for dunya.

You're doing it wrong.

And this by Epi.

Certainly remains in the POE. That's a soft little defence of Colin right there.

[MacDougall]

Very similar situation for DFaraday.

Town by DDL in a GTH.

I'm actually caught up, but I feel incredibly unenlightened by anything that's happened so far. I guess Jay and Epi seem pretty normal so far.

EBWOP: That's very common for Nutella. She's almost as blendy as I am, she's just more verbose about it.

Are the spider or the fly?

This by Epi. Not as bad as the Colin interaction. Pretty much null. That post makes me feel pretty good about Faraday in general. Passing a comment on Jay and Epi as a random entry is a pretty normal thing to do.

[MacDougall]

I'm taking Jack out of the POE. The engagement with DDL doesn't seem townie.

[MacDougall]

Doesn't seem teammate sorry

[MacDougall]

Long Con gets removed on the strength of Epi trying to position him as a mislynch.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think it would be a good use of thread space for me to post a gigantic analysis for Jack. He's the granny until someone tells he isn't the granny.

Still, I'll provide a general overview as I just scanned the post histories. Jack's interactions with DDL look bad. That much I have already observed. Jack's handling of DDL looks terrible at face value in a manner similar to Epi's handling of DDL. DDL's handling of Jack was less overtly gross, but it wasn't good either.

Epi and Jack had a different relationship. They were in love with each other. Their reads were mutually strong in the civilian direction each time they were stated, and they engaged in multiple exchanges of half-relevant banter. None of that stood out to me as particularly egregious beyond ermagerd scum defenderded ther Jack, though post-DDL flip Jack was too forgiving of Epi for "tone".

In short: Jack looks like compatible teammate of them both, especially DDL. That is meaningless though if he is the granny.

And he is the granny until someone tells me he isn't the granny.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: poutanko] aubergine

Your reads aren’t developing. You’re shoving misshapen pegs into improper holes to keep your suspicions relevant.

Mac already made the tampon joke. Unoriginal. D+.

@dunya @JaggedJimmyJay I'm here as sub. I'm not going to put more effort than this. Take it or leave it.

I don't like the looks of this. Being a sub is no excuse for low effort.

It is an excuse. I was tagged on sign up thread and chose to be sub instead of fully player because I don't have time for this.

Still, you chose to accept this - if you didn't have the time, you shouldn't've subbed in.

I don't have the time. I signed up anyway. What does that have to do with poutie's alignment? There are plenty of people not doing diddley (as of this post).

Two tame ass defences of Poutanko in addition to Pout's DDL interactions makes Poutanko prime suspect in my book.

[MacDougall]

Long Con voted Quin. Why did he do that and what has he said?

Epi asked this question. Jay gave him an answer and he did nothing with it.

Quin remains in the POE.

[MacDougall]

I believe sabie is a civilian.

There is something about the way he said this that made me think this was a legitimate civ read. I don't think Sabie is their teammate.

[MacDougall]

poutanko
ColinIsCool
DFaraday
Quin

New POE for last dictator is above in order.

[mention]poutanko[/mention] what's your plan now that you are Mafia on your own.

[MacDougall]

Poutanko makes good sense in light of the wagon building yesterday too. They tried to lynch me to save Poutanko and then DDL got lynched instead.

[nutella]

I don’t think day actions count as visits and i can’t be killed during the day except by lynch but it’d still waste a bullet that would be better used elsewhere.

sprityo conferm?

day activations do not count as visits

ah interesting. k jay shoot jack lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@dunya @JaggedJimmyJay I'm here as sub. I'm not going to put more effort than this. Take it or leave it.

I don't like the looks of this. Being a sub is no excuse for low effort.

Would you categorize poutie's effort as "low?"

Would you categorize poutie's effort as "low?"

categorize poutie's effort

poutie

[MacDougall]

The work might be a bit sloppy but I was doing it in a hurry. I think it's pretty solid though. Poutanko is my vote because of it.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: poutanko] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tampon.

I don't think DDL is bad. He's made an effort and I believe he's honest in that regard. Lunalee has been crapped on because people don't like the way she says something (I'm extrapolating from what I did read there, but I'd bet I'm right). poutie I don't know well, but I sense genuineness. Mac has been toying with the thread and (from what I have read) not done anything with it.

Anus

Specific point, disparages silly dumb stupid civilians making this particular error with Luna (nicer look)

You know her well enough to call her "poutie" you BTSC-sharing sumbitch. "sense genuineness" is vague nothing just like his DDL support

Mondo primo garbo

[JaggedJimmyJay]

why not

[VOTE: poutanko] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

poutanko
ColinIsCool
DFaraday
Quin

New POE for last dictator is above in order.

@poutanko what's your plan now that you are Mafia on your own.

[nutella]

I'm taking Jack out of the POE. The engagement with DDL doesn't seem townie.

which engagement?


I'm liking your POE work though keep it coming

[Long Con]

Ok. I like this method. [VOTE: poutanko] aubergine