Inception [END]

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wait a sec.

Is Epi your scum partner, Eva? Is that what's happening now? o:

Let's lynch him and find out!

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Wtf is this

Spew?

Hey this looks familiar

[112]

I appreciate @MacDougall giving Epi and Juliets all the sarcasm a “Are you town?” “Yes, I am” exchange merits.

In person this is such a winning strategy you can just look at someone for three seconds and know

I hate to break it to you, Tony.

Jack look in to my eyes...
Are you town?

Why don't you look into this mirror and tell me what you see?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wait a sec.

Is Epi your scum partner, Eva? Is that what's happening now? o:

Let's lynch him and find out!

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Wtf is this

Spew?

Hey this looks familiar

I’m just saying one time someone said I was w w with someone when I was scum and I did and said the exact same thing

[Jackofhearts2005]

oh yeah heres the bonding exercise / thought experiment i wanted to start yesterday

@everyone

1. who is your top townread and why
2. of your top townreads reads, which do you agree with most? why? do you trust that read more than you trust your own townread of them?
3. @ your top townread with the reads of theirs that you agree with and disagree with to facilitate working among mutual townreads

im feeling dead inside so im not starting off

i wont be offended if nobody does this, i just thought it was a kinda cool idea

Mfw none of my townreads’ reads really speak to me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I appreciate @MacDougall giving Epi and Juliets all the sarcasm a “Are you town?” “Yes, I am” exchange merits.

In person this is such a winning strategy you can just look at someone for three seconds and know

I hate to break it to you, Tony.

Jack look in to my eyes...
Are you town?

Yes.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Wait a sec.

Is Epi your scum partner, Eva? Is that what's happening now? o:

Let's lynch him and find out!

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Wtf is this

Spew?

Hey this looks familiar

I’m just saying one time someone said I was w w with someone when I was scum and I did and said the exact same thing

Which person is wolfTony in the story you’re telling?

[Dragomir]

Seriously, can someone tell me what the hell is going on? I'm at school and don't have the luxury to read back all these pages.

[Dragomir]

I went to sleep last night with my girl being the leading wagon, now it's Elephant and Hyena. What happened?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wait a sec.

Is Epi your scum partner, Eva? Is that what's happening now? o:

Let's lynch him and find out!

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Wtf is this

Spew?

Hey this looks familiar

I’m just saying one time someone said I was w w with someone when I was scum and I did and said the exact same thing

Which person is wolfTony in the story you’re telling?

Eva, it’s the game recently when me and Epi were scum and JJJ and like 3 other people decided I was scum basically 4 posts in

[Benson]

Epignosis then?

Fine with me. I'm not bad, but there's no way I'm going to keep up with this.

I am awake and picking up where I left off last night. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine for trying reverse pysychology, and a revenge vote on Hyena. Looking at the poll, I anticipate my vote may change during the next 600 posts of catching up.

LIke, why say the last part? Wolves so often feel the need to tack on additional information about hwo they are going to vote.

I mention not being caught up because I want to be transparent about the state of my mind, and I see the need for transparency since the original votes on Epignosis have gone elsewhere, and I have not. I had hoped to avoid ill-considered cases on me. Judge for yourself how successful that was.

actually, let's just cut off the infected part while it's early.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

You have no case and no investigation, merely pressure. Why do you do it?

Unfortunately I can't find any more votes in that "expand view" feature, although I know iaafr was just sheeping 112, and Nanook seems to have a blank vote. I'll go back to catching up until someone actually quotes or mentions me, ok?

Yeah, all fair.

This wasn't directed at me but I think votes for merely pressure are acceptable strategies.

I do not understand how mere pressure is a strategy if it has no goal. If there is no goal, how can you have a strategy?
A blank vote says, "I scumread this person, but I do not want to investigate them, engage them, or convince anyone else, and while I feel this scum read is important, I will not share my thought process". It is like playing the game and not playing it, simultaneously.

For me, one of the goals is to simply see how they respond to the burden of having votes. Sometimes wolves start acting differently under the pressure and uncertainty of blank votes.

[Benson]

@Benson @Master Radishes
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.

iaarf - probably the solviest and most helpful player in the game right now. I love his insights. He better be town.

Master Radishes - I recall him having some decently genuine reads (mostly regarding me). But he stays put in the neutral category until further notice.

[112]

I went to sleep last night with my girl being the leading wagon, now it's Elephant and Hyena. What happened?

Why is this of such immediate importance?

[Benson]

im just always baffled when i get tunneled like this because i hardly see any scum with a playstyle that matches my towngame and i feel like ive been mostly transparent with most of my thoughts and my confidence levels are shaky like theyre supposed to be and i clearly dont have tmi and wtf honestly

also no, i dont have a strong argument for why benson is town other than them feeling generally solvy and liking the posts i said i liked (their first readspost, their post saying they dont actually have a confident scumread on 112, their post saying they wouldnt be surprised if 112 came in townreading them tomorrow, etc)

Your first paragraph speaks to me. I don't think I've ever seen a scum style that matches your current style either. And I feel like you have been transparent, your thoughts are shaky (and ever changing) and I haven't seen anything I consider tmi. I'm ready to lean town on you, but I would appreciate anyone who has played with you a lot to comment on whether this paragraph rings true to them.

I also liked the same Benson posts that you mention here. Maybe their reads of each other when they are both town take a while to evolve in a game, I wouldn't know since I've never played with them. @Benson and [mention]112[mention] is this true or when you read each other town does it usually happen day 1 and on in games? Maybe one of them doesn't have to be scum which is what I was thinking when I signed off last night.

It depends. Lately it's been taking until day 2+ to start reading them properly. They both have strong wolf games and I'm cautious about giving town reads until they are fully deserved. 112 hasn't seen me wolf in quite a while but she ALWAYS calls me a villager by D1/D2, whether she's villa or wolf. MR is similar.

[Benson]

ewwwwe Juliets you infected my post!!

[Benson]

I went to sleep last night with my girl being the leading wagon, now it's Elephant and Hyena. What happened?

[Dragomir]

I went to sleep last night with my girl being the leading wagon, now it's Elephant and Hyena. What happened?

Why is this of such immediate importance?

Cause I want to know what is going on. I hate being behind, can't do anything.

[Dragomir]

I went to sleep last night with my girl being the leading wagon, now it's Elephant and Hyena. What happened?

What?

[Benson]

From my interaction with Master Radishes, where Benson butted in, I have Benson as town if Radishes is town, and Radishes leans town on me. @Master Radishes was not perfectly certain of Benson's alignment, but much in the past 12 hours has revolved around Benson. Nutella observed Benson and 112 scumreading each other, and somehow concluded that it probably made one of 112, Benson, and Radishes not town. If that is true, 112 is scum. Iaafr townread 112 and Benson, and scumread nutella, but iaafr's reads are very flexible, and iaafr also has very high confidence in Benson, and I am suspicious of that. I can see iaafr as scum in this constellation. Epignosis had a slow start, and asserted more authority later on, townreading nutella and attacking iaafr's scumread of her. Epignosis plays intransparently, and I can see that playstyle as a cover for powerwolfing; excepting six players from lynch today without accompanying town reads strikes me as a bold but efficient possibility to protect his wolf buddies.
Getting the puzzle of these six players to line up correctly establishes a much needed town core. My current layout is Benson, Master Radishes, and nutella as town, and 112, iaafr, and Epignosis as uncertain scum. I need to research 112, a lot depends on them.

I also have Juliets, Hyena, and Creature as provisional town, but don't see them as connected as the others. I would love to see @Hyena and @Creature evaluate each other directly.

This is good for now and I'm probably switching my vote soon.

[Benson]

I went to sleep last night with my girl being the leading wagon, now it's Elephant and Hyena. What happened?

What?

"my girl"? lol

[Dragomir]

I went to sleep last night with my girl being the leading wagon, now it's Elephant and Hyena. What happened?

What?

"my girl"? lol

Oh, that. Just hope you know I've been playing around with all that. Might have stretched it out a bit too far.

[Elephant]

Texas Cloverleaf, Extended Edititon
Please make use of the quote button, like you did in post post #1915. But you did not in #1920? Why?

Spoiler: show

vanity trying too hard. Wolfy.

#page2reads

Master radishes raisesnan eyebrow for post 89

So far I've felt some negative juju vibrations from tsp, juliets and spiny. Can someone bombard them with aggressive accusations for me please?

I'd like to hear your specifics for what I've done that is suspicious. What juju vibrations?

Your posts have a nervous/awkward tone to them and the way you reacted to that other person sussing you was weirdly aggressive.

I am not nervous or awkward. I'm saying what comes to mind. I am watching football and posting so my attention is divided, maybe that is what you sense. As for vanity. expressing suspicion of me this was my reply:

juliet's play pings me as wolfy so far. thoughts?

so what pings you exactly?

I don't think that's weird or aggressive.

juliets' p136 is weirdly stilted, doesn't read naturally at all

@MacDougall I started a new post because that other one was getting too long. I haven't really looked at anyone too hard yet so I don't have any scum leans at this point.

I did notice nova only posted once I think and I'm used to town nova posting A LOT during the opening of a game so that caught my eye.

The biggest problem is these people I've never played with before and haven't seen them play like iaafr for example. I know him from spec chat and he is acting exactly like he did there but what should I make of that? Nothing probably.

I'll look into people more tomorrow - I really just wanted to have some fun today since I'm occupied with football.

linki: I think dead animals shouldn't count. RIP poor kitty.

juliets' p174 is town

I am the Elephant.

Are you in the room?

Do we need to talk about you yet?

Going to vote spirityo for the terrible joke in 208 but idk this software yet remind me to do this later

don't make me break out the empty posturing

iaafr's 231 is alignment indicative but I don't know which one

What a shitty page 1

Creature 247 mindmeld

Btw, it is also illegal to say who is scum

it’s creature Lynch him

Nah creature is town this is like my 3rd strongest read atm

This is very town.
Sigh Nutella can be town I guess.

Agree with 320 which leans Nutella towny

Wow what a great game so far. You guys are a great group of players and I'm like just stoked to be here!

if im reading this correctly as full on sarcasm and not enjoying this particular game

then mac is locktown probs

I’ve never known Mac to be particularly positive but I also wouldn’t say it’s in character for him to have general complaints this early

in or out of character doesnt really matter unless its in his scum character

its not something scum would ever think to fake in this gamestate and its not a mood scum would ever be in in this threadstate

so he is locktown

iaafr's mindset in 330 is excellent, joins the town pile

I think your time might have been better spent examing the Subconscious phase; the pre-game posts do have a naturally high proportion of shitposts among them, and you reacting to them lowers yourself to the same level.

Gth 112 town

What does that mean, and why do you say it? Do I even want to know?

[Evenstar]

I went to sleep last night with my girl being the leading wagon, now it's Elephant and Hyena. What happened?

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

[Pawn Lelouch]

Here’s a roughly ordered list from where I’m at now. Will try and write out comments for each person if I can later on but that might need to wait a bit due to school. So here's who I got before I needed to post.

Confirmed Town
Pawn Lelouch

Town
Creature

Town Lean
Master Radishes Love his interaction about Creature’s reaction and hard agree on hating the Sprityo post.
Iaafr
Epignosis
Vanity. His Nook insight is a towny type of insight and I have had that exact view on Michelle before in other games and have had it here already. It just feels like a genuine thought process.
Texas Cloverleaf

Null (+/neutral/-)
Evenstar (+)
MacDougall (+)
Nutella (+)
Spiny Creature(+) Note I am fully admitting to bias here due to the Hyena interactions but I just love her there, and while the content amount is low due to time, the actual content is good imo.

Benson (neutral)
112 (neutral)
Michelle (neutral) I fully admit I just have trouble reading her.
Juliets (Neutral) This is a weird one for me. Since she doesn’t actually have much content that is actually strong. Like she has it, but it all feels fairly shallow. However, I think her reaction to being stilted is real and as someone who is somewhat similar to that I can’t really endorse scum reads based on that due to not finding them accurate, and yes that does seem to be a fair bit of why people are scum reading her. So two conflicting views null out.
Jackofhearts2005 (neutral) Has the Creature read going for him but otherwise everything else is honestly very meh. It exists but that’s about it.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (neutral) There’s a passiveness and wishy washiness that I don’t really associate with town Nook but Vanity raised a really good point regarding him acting like a town who has been burned before which I can see. Two conflicting views null this out essentially.

Trustworthy Liberal (-)
Elephant (-)
Long Con (-)
TonyStarkPrime (-) So TSP has only a few things going on with him. The minor spat with Spiny, the one with me, and the relatively singleminded Juliets push. Spiny is a punctuation read that I find laughable on principle and am ignoring, the one on me I honestly didn't mind outside of his weird last sentence flip where he basically swapped to scum reading me at the end of the paragraph after leading up with town, since that was a strange look. Currently have this as a null - and their current position is currently tied directly to the opposite end as Juliets.

Scum Lean
Sprityo Mostly pure shitpost and the actual content post he put out was basically semi-incoherent when I looked through the ISO. Post #1413 exactly, is enough to drag him to scum lean,
Dragomir

Scum
Hyena
-----------------------
Basically Don’t Exist yet and thus auto null (-) until more content.

DFaraday
Dom
Lady Lambdadelta
novaselinenever
Quin
Rej

[Evenstar]

"I went to sleep last night with my girl"

yeah you can fuck right off

[Benson]

i'm probably going to get questions about my nanook read so i'll just explain that now



nanook instantly pushing lld in this post reads to me as "i've been burned by this person bad and i want to lynch them out of paranoia" to me. it's like a classic v thought process in my opinion. now, he has a good wolf game and i wouldn't take this to the grave, but i think it was enough to give him a townread, especially since no one else v read him.

I'm calling Vanity lock town for this post and, like, 5-10 of the posts he made before this one.

Vanity is the towniest town in this game, and I hope we're all in agreement on this.

...am i? am i just this easy of a read?

i feel like nothing i've done is outside of my wolfrange but... k.

To be fair, I've not seen your scum game. But I read you in G7 (you died as I subbed in) and watched you in in WC1, and you play this game similarly to how I do. Everything I see from you so far has been so pure, IMO.

How would you describe your wolf range, then?

my wolf range, huh...

while i haven't wolfed on forum before, and this game is another non-turbo village game from me, because randing wolf is impossible for some reason, but i'm the powerwolf type. a lot of people that know me from dm wouldn't give v reads on me this early, because they know i can give compelling thoughts on the game as a wolf.

i'd post around the same as either alignment. if i'm in the thread, i'm posting. that's all there really is to it. if you think i'm pure, cool. i don't think you're a wolf at the moment, so i'm comfortable with this.

This feels pure although I haven't really read it.

I was reading your posts as I caught up and some come across vapid and like you're posting for the sake of increasing your post count. But I do struggle to find wolfy intentions behind the post I've quoted. Almost seems too careless to be from a wolf, unless it's deliberate.
There isn't gonna be a question here but you're on notice.

[Evenstar]

Here’s a roughly ordered list from where I’m at now. Will try and write out comments for each person if I can later on but that might need to wait a bit due to school. So here's who I got before I needed to post.

Town Lean
Epignosis

Scum
Hyena

I'm trying to figure out what Hyena's bobble on Epi means now that Epi's posting and seems towny. If epi town, hyena bobble is... what? NAI?

[Pawn Lelouch]

Eh, fuck it. Both Hyena and Dragomir are fairly low, so I'm willing to take out the creep first. Since while I'm pretty damn sure he's one of the people who have been roleplaying their roles like Mac, he's still gross about it.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

[Pawn Lelouch]

Here’s a roughly ordered list from where I’m at now. Will try and write out comments for each person if I can later on but that might need to wait a bit due to school. So here's who I got before I needed to post.

Town Lean
Epignosis

Scum
Hyena

I'm trying to figure out what Hyena's bobble on Epi means now that Epi's posting and seems towny. If epi town, hyena bobble is... what? NAI?

Where in the ISO was this? Can check it out during a lull in class.

[Benson]

Okay people shouldn’t be voting for the elephant anymore.

True.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime ] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay people shouldn’t be voting for the elephant anymore.

True.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime ] aubergine

Good choice much better

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’ll be back to complain about people at like 2 so don’t hold your horses

[Elephant]

@Benson @Master Radishes
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.

iaarf - probably the solviest and most helpful player in the game right now. I love his insights. He better be town.

Master Radishes - I recall him having some decently genuine reads (mostly regarding me). But he stays put in the neutral category until further notice.

Thank you. I did not see your opinion on 112, should I have looked more?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

There’s a passiveness and wishy washiness that I don’t really associate with town Nook but Vanity raised a really good point regarding him acting like a town who has been burned before which I can see. Two conflicting views null this out essentially.

That read from Vanity was debunked, fwiw.

And I've played video mafia with Lexi since champs without fear killing her or letting paranoia overrun my good sense, so.

I'm not wishy washy btw, I just have read barely anything and thus don't have many opinions. When I've read everything and don't have opinions is when you should be worried, not when I've read maybe 100 or so posts thus far lol

[Dragomir]

Ok, ok, I pushed the joke too far. [mention]Evenstar[/mention] I apologize for it. Don't hate me, please.

[Benson]

Okay people shouldn’t be voting for the elephant anymore.

True.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime ] aubergine

Good choice much better

You won't trick me with the reverse psychology

[Creature]

Creature 247 mindmeld

wheee

[Creature]

700 posts behind wowee.

Of the players being voted, I could vote Hyena or Nova.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Sell me on TSP?

[Creature]

@creature did we play a game on mafiascum where you caught me (Lexa) as scum immediately on subbing in? Or was that someone else

I don't remember playing with you. Probably not unless I somehow was on you during Large 202, but I barely remember anything about that game.

[Creature]

[VOTE: Pawn Lelouch] aubergine

Stop lurking and come play the game with the rest of us.

Bleh

[Benson]

@Benson @Master Radishes
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.

iaarf - probably the solviest and most helpful player in the game right now. I love his insights. He better be town.

Master Radishes - I recall him having some decently genuine reads (mostly regarding me). But he stays put in the neutral category until further notice.

Thank you. I did not see your opinion on 112, should I have looked more?

Lol I was super groggy when I responded and thought you were asking for MR not 112.

Here you go:
112 remains a wolf lean for me until she actually picks up here game. Not a single post so far is outside her wolf meta.

[Dragomir]

Eh, fuck it. Both Hyena and Dragomir are fairly low, so I'm willing to take out the creep first. Since while I'm pretty damn sure he's one of the people who have been roleplaying their roles like Mac, he's still gross about it.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Roleplaying what role? Me?

[Benson]

@Benson @Master Radishes
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.

iaarf - probably the solviest and most helpful player in the game right now. I love his insights. He better be town.

Master Radishes - I recall him having some decently genuine reads (mostly regarding me). But he stays put in the neutral category until further notice.

Thank you. I did not see your opinion on 112, should I have looked more?

Lol I was super groggy when I responded and thought you were asking for MR not 112.

Here you go:
112 remains a wolf lean for me until she actually picks up here game. Not a single post so far is outside her wolf meta.

*range would be more appropriate to say than meta in the last part

[Elephant]

@Benson @Master Radishes
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.

iaarf - probably the solviest and most helpful player in the game right now. I love his insights. He better be town.

Master Radishes - I recall him having some decently genuine reads (mostly regarding me). But he stays put in the neutral category until further notice.

Thank you. I did not see your opinion on 112, should I have looked more?

I discovered it in next post down: "They both have strong wolf games and I'm cautious about giving town reads until they are fully deserved."

[Creature]

didn't know Evenstar worked at a convenience store marketing

[Jackofhearts2005]

Let's lynch him and find out!

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Wtf is this

Spew?

Hey this looks familiar

I’m just saying one time someone said I was w w with someone when I was scum and I did and said the exact same thing

Which person is wolfTony in the story you’re telling?

Eva, it’s the game recently when me and Epi were scum and JJJ and like 3 other people decided I was scum basically 4 posts in

I’ve done the same thing recently when I was scum but not the player I was accused of being scum with. Don’t remember the exact game though.

[Benson]

Someone really familiar with TonyStark should give me a summary of how his current game compares to his town meta.

[Long Con]

Creature 247 mindmeld

wheee

Yeah, but it's a mindmeld about "page 1 sucks" so I don't understand why it was even brought up in the first place. That's something worth celebrating?

[Long Con]

Wtf is this

Spew?

Hey this looks familiar

I’m just saying one time someone said I was w w with someone when I was scum and I did and said the exact same thing

She strikes me as particularly bloodthirsty with that vote.
Which person is wolfTony in the story you’re telling?

Eva, it’s the game recently when me and Epi were scum and JJJ and like 3 other people decided I was scum basically 4 posts in

I’ve done the same thing recently when I was scum but not the player I was accused of being scum with. Don’t remember the exact game though.

[Long Con]

Sorry, messed that up...

Wtf is this

Spew?

Hey this looks familiar

I’m just saying one time someone said I was w w with someone when I was scum and I did and said the exact same thing

Which person is wolfTony in the story you’re telling?

Eva, it’s the game recently when me and Epi were scum and JJJ and like 3 other people decided I was scum basically 4 posts in

I’ve done the same thing recently when I was scum but not the player I was accused of being scum with. Don’t remember the exact game though.

She strikes me as particularly bloodthirsty with that vote.