Inception [END]

[nutella]

Tbh if someone quoted a bunch if my posts and simply said "fencesitting" I would not feel inclined to give a serious response.

Fair enough. If it were me I'd at least acknowledge the point and explain that it's a town tell for me or whatever.

[nutella]

Anyway yeah I am liking elephant's vanity case

[Benson]

[mention]juliets[/mention] I'm not seeing what you see that made you flip your vanity read. Can you help me out?


PS I can do some actual ISOing work once I get on my laptop.

[vanity.]

i forgot the game existed for a day lol.

alright time to play again

[Hyena]

Hyena, reading your ISO now. Can you remember why you decided to pressure Epi with a vote if you hadn't read his ISO?

Wait, my vote is bad. I didn't actually read Epignosis's ISO, and I actually like their process of finding 112 civ.

So, like
[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

Yeah, I remember seeing someone mention something bad about Epi, so I figured I'd at the very least poke at him to see if I can form an opinion on them from it. I don't think I realized at the time that his ISO was pretty short and easy to get through.

[vanity.]

i have 3 voters?

why?

[Benson]

I can see a world where hyena is a wolf and is TMI-townreading Trustworthy.

[vanity.]

the only thing i saw is elephant made a case on me

i'm sorry for forgetting about the game but uhhh... let's not talk about it anymore

[Hyena]

@Hyena forget my question about your Epi vote, I just found the answer in your ISO. You said others were scum reading him so you wanted to get him to engage with you and test other's reactions. I just didn't remember him being scum read on Day 0 (your vote was first thing after Day 1 started).

Oh, lol, too late.

[vanity.]

nice to see people are still misgendering me lol.

also i tunneled juliets? wtf? how do you know i haven't reevaluated there?

like i might not be my villager self exactly right now but i'm not a wolf this game lol

[vanity.]

[VOTE: elephant] aubergine

i guess this is omgus but their case on me reeks of being opportunistic

i could've been gone for any reason. why is that indicative of my alignment? i always post when i'm in a thread, no exceptions

[vanity.]

also me being self-conscious about my behavior isn't alignment indicative, leaning towards more indicative of me being a villa

[vanity.]

Ugh as much as I feel attached to my spiny suspicion I have to say boo is looking town now. I think his takes are largely misguided due to culture clash, but I think he really believes them.

Gonna move to [VOTE: vanity] aubergine for some pressure. Where you been dude? Kinda seems like you're coasting

i was anything but coasting when i entered the thread, open your eyes girl

[Benson]

Elephant did inception in Juliets to make her think vanity is a wolf xD

[vanity.]

like i get it. i wasn't around. why in the world are people pushing me because of that? it's remarkably dumb

[juliets]

@juliets I'm not seeing what you see that made you flip your vanity read. Can you help me out?


PS I can do some actual ISOing work once I get on my laptop.

Several points from Elephants iso including:

- vanity stalls any initiative to introduce structured conversation
- vanity's reads have very obvious strong player bias
- vanity announces intent to "kill Drago" at -1:45, his reason on the actual vote is "don't want epi lynched"
- Vanity tunnels Juliets from the star, never re-evaluates
- vanity establishes a D2 pool of suspects along his old, biased reads
- Subjectively, vanity does not feel like the town!vanity from wildcards 1 (a point I agreed with earlier)

Elephants comments inside the spoiler (I don't want to reproduce the entire spoiler but let me know if this confuses you)

- I find this notable, because Evenstar had stated that Pawn would usually be correct in his reads independent of his alignment. MIchelle's question was well justified. (this had to do with the associative reads business)

- vanity actively stalls on iaafr's initiative. (Iaafr's initiative was everyone post top town read)

- vanity stalls on MacDougall's initiative. (Macs grouping of players)

- vanity is not using teh groups for their intended purpose, and instead launches into a very different discussion that looks like it is engaging with teh groups, but is really just about wolf reads

There are several other things inside the spoiler but all these comments inside the spoiler relate to posts so it's hard to understand unless you look at them.

Are you convinced on Faraday at this point or looking at someone else you think is a better candidate than vanity?

[vanity.]

like if you guys REALLY want the context

i worked yesterday for around 4-5 hours yesterday, came home extremely tired, had to push through ANOTHER game i was playing around the same time, keep in mind i'm not someone who likes playing 2 games at the same time, and only now have i been able to play actively because the game i was in previously ended

like let me actually dissect this "case" elephant made

[vanity.]

the reason i was telling iaafr that i didn't like his reads is because i didn't like his reads, it's that simple

that's not odd for me as either alignment

[juliets]

sorry for mis-gendering you vanity.

[vanity.]

I changed to the computer to do a proper multi-quote ISO. The takeaway:
- Vanity tunnels Juliets from the star, never re-evaluates
- vanity is quite self-conscious on how towny he's being
- vanity thinks Benson subtly shading him as a wolf, @Benson denies
- vanity stalls any initiative to introduce structured conversation
- vanity votes players pushing her: he votes me for suggesting that he could have engaged Jack instead of observing that no group talk was happeneing, and votes Michelle for pushing him over that unmotivated vote
- vanity's reads have very obvious strong player bias
- vanity attempts an in-thread ISO of Michelle
- vanity announces intent to "kill Drago" at -1:45, his reason on the actual vote is "don't want epi lynched"
- vanity establishes a D2 pool of suspects along his old, biased reads
- vanity skips a day
- Subjectively, vanity does not feel like the town!vanity from wildcards 1.

Actually, that's more than I remembered seeing. I'm less happy with this ISo than I am with Trustworthy Liberal's, because I can understand Trusrtworthy Liberal, but I do not understand this.

Spoiler: show

juliet's play pings me as wolfy so far. thoughts?

vanity.'s second post starts a tunnel.

i'm probably going to get questions about my nanook read so i'll just explain that now

Hey guys, I was busy the entirety of yesterday and forgot to check in here briefly, but all you missed was me saying hello and kill Lexi forthwith.

That is all, I’m going back to driving now. Someone wake me up at like D6

nanook instantly pushing lld in this post reads to me as "i've been burned by this person bad and i want to lynch them out of paranoia" to me. it's like a classic v thought process in my opinion. now, he has a good wolf game and i wouldn't take this to the grave, but i think it was enough to give him a townread, especially since no one else v read him.

I'm calling Vanity lock town for this post and, like, 5-10 of the posts he made before this one.

Vanity is the towniest town in this game, and I hope we're all in agreement on this.

...am i? am i just this easy of a read?

i feel like nothing i've done is outside of my wolfrange but... k.

Anyone else think it's a bit wolfy to have a BIG reads list this early? Is that standard for villa-Eva?

don't d1 Juliets, she's Towny in my book and she may get spewed town by an actual scumflip down the line

This is where I am. I think she has the type of playstyle that the wolves will target for a mislynch.

this is like shading me without wanting to actually confront me

i know you're think i'm wolfy, if you think i'm a wolf then just say it. the fact that you're not engaging me at all is worrisome.

i'm probably going to get questions about my nanook read so i'll just explain that now



nanook instantly pushing lld in this post reads to me as "i've been burned by this person bad and i want to lynch them out of paranoia" to me. it's like a classic v thought process in my opinion. now, he has a good wolf game and i wouldn't take this to the grave, but i think it was enough to give him a townread, especially since no one else v read him.

I'm calling Vanity lock town for this post and, like, 5-10 of the posts he made before this one.

Vanity is the towniest town in this game, and I hope we're all in agreement on this.

...am i? am i just this easy of a read?

i feel like nothing i've done is outside of my wolfrange but... k.

To be fair, I've not seen your scum game. But I read you in G7 (you died as I subbed in) and watched you in in WC1, and you play this game similarly to how I do. Everything I see from you so far has been so pure, IMO.

How would you describe your wolf range, then?

my wolf range, huh...

while i haven't wolfed on forum before, and this game is another non-turbo village game from me, because randing wolf is impossible for some reason, but i'm the powerwolf type. a lot of people that know me from dm wouldn't give v reads on me this early, because they know i can give compelling thoughts on the game as a wolf.

i'd post around the same as either alignment. if i'm in the thread, i'm posting. that's all there really is to it. if you think i'm pure, cool. i don't think you're a wolf at the moment, so i'm comfortable with this.

I'm not ok with vanity being consensus villager at this point. He's clean, yes; but almost too clean, if you know what I mean.
Call it gut-feels, but I'm giving him a soft FoS.

what are you talking about? you've literally made posts that soft reference me in talking about wolfy behavior. are you not realizing this or what?

I'm not ok with vanity being consensus villager at this point. He's clean, yes; but almost too clean, if you know what I mean.
Call it gut-feels, but I'm giving him a soft FoS.

what are you talking about? you've literally made posts that soft reference me in talking about wolfy behavior. are you not realizing this or what?

Lol I do realize that but those soft references didn't have you in mind. I was speaking fairly generally. By calling you clean I meant that your posts in a vacuum just look ostensibly villagery.

i don't particularly hate or love any of these wagons

this sucks....

sprityo's being towny and i remember thinking they were towny before hand despite the post about him worrying about being lynched

ughhhh

what do

also this whole thing regardung the charts is like useless

i don't want to shut it down but i really think it's not getting us anywhere

nutella and eva are still both towny to me

Howdy, all. o/

howdy, glad to see you here. how's it going?

Doing pretty good! You?

doin okay

kinda chilling, i'm townreading a lot of people and it's bad for me i think. plus i'm not really devoting that much time to this game anyways.

i want to vote off sprityo. considering a juliets vote or maybe tonystarkprime or something

trying to sort it out

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

let's pressure here actually

gonna try parsing hyena vs evenstar real quick

the fact that they're not finding each other is raising red flags but independently speaking i think both are very villagery

Oh this is an interesting point.


Idk if I trust you completely though. But I mostly agree with your do not lynch list at least.

that's fine, i haven't been overtly obvious villager with my spam-y posting at tbe moment but i'm trying when i can

you might've picked up on it, but if hyena and evenstar perceive their town games to be similar, and they're not finding each other, it's making me think something is there. though i understand any given game a disconnect can happen between 2 villas, as i've seen it before elsewhere

eva is definitely more in her chaos-posty archetype too but i don't want to touch her at all

"i haven't been overtly obvious villager with my spam-y posting at tbe moment but i'm trying when i can"

like eva, i understand that you find pawn to be right very often but...

why does pawn have to be right in this instance? and more importantly, why is pawn towny to you? and if pawn is a wolf, what does that mean for iaafr and mac's alignments?

Why are you pushing for associative reads? Isn't this too early into the game?

i'm not the one pushing for associative reads? eva is saying that pawn saying mac and iaafr are town, makes mac and iaafr town. i'm not the one that is making that association, eva is making it. hence why i'm questioning her.

I find this notable, because Evenstar had stated that Pawn would usually be correct in his reads independent of his alignment. MIchelle's question was well justified.

I still proposed that one where everybody mentions their top townread to discuss their takes on their top townreads reads

but idk doesn't feel right for this d1

My top townread is Vanity, and I liked the list of people he thought were villagers.

for what its worth he wasn't actually proposing us to do it now but alright

vanity actively stalls on iaafr's initiative.

reminder that we have like... 20 hours before eod

idk if there's gonna be ample time to set this thing up lol

vanity stalls on MacDougall's initiative.

reminder that we have like... 20 hours before eod

idk if there's gonna be ample time to set this thing up lol

It's done, setup, just go for it.

whatever i guess 10-11 am and 1-2 pm eastern work best for me

vanity interprets Mac's initiative to require specific times, and then sets a schedule that is hard to match. By contrast, Juliets just set out to working and addressing her group as soon as she was online, because a forum is an asynchronous medium that does not require scheduling a date to get engaged. In comparison, vanity is stalling, and Juliets is not.

group 1 is like probably infested with wolves btw lol

vanity is not using teh groups for their intended purpose, and instead launches into a very different discussion that looks like it is engaging with teh groups, but is really just about wolf reads, but not even

guess i can entertain your ideas mac, not doing color coding tho

dark green:
hyena
creature
nutella
jack
mr
iaafr

light green:
sprityo
mac
epig
lld
spiny
benson

yellow:
nanook
texas
evenstar
pawn
elephant
rej
long con
drago
dom

orange:
dfaraday
tonystarkprime
juliets
112
quin
michelle
tlib

red:
nova

I have added color coding: orange and blue for playing in the Championship wildcards/finale or not, bold for everyone here.
vanity suggested the bottom 5 players for today's "box".

be back tomorrow at the times i said i'd be here (10 am - 11 am and 1 pm - 2 pm eastern and probably eod as well)

oh shoot i forgot about the group thing uhhhh'

woops

if tlib tonystark juliets and 112 contain no wolves this game is gonna be hard as hell for me

apparently the group discussions aren't happening and i have absolutely nothing to say at the moment so i guess i'll just see you guys in like 3 hours for eod

You could've talked to Jack?

@vanity.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/cwF-o4haZ ... =34&end=49

sure? guess i'm not opposed. let's talk about, idk, the weather?

You could've talked to Jack?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/cwF-o4haZ ... =34&end=49

sure? guess i'm not opposed. let's talk about, idk, the weather?

I guess I got excited enough cutting that clip that I forgot you said you had nothing to say.

i'm not opposed to talking but the game just doesn't interest me at the moment

think i'm also reminded why i prefer shorter games over longer ones

honestly since i'm not really that invested in the game and most people think i'm a villa i'm just gonna lay low and sheep others

[VOTE: elephant] aubergine

they are in a wrong way thinking you are villager?
Sounds like an excuse to park a vote in a new wagon

what? i legit don't know what you're trying to say

if people think i'm a villager, then i don't want to get in the way of solving. i'm not going to be a cook this game. that's just how i'm going to play.

i don't want you to be a cook i want you to be villagery if you are villager. Sheeping others is not always villagery.

i've already been villagery

get off my case

kill Michelle she's not Towny

yeah i'd expect to have a townread on michelle at this point if she were a villa

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

okay whatever screw it

just gonna iso michelle and give thoughts

apparently you want me to be a cook. my playstyle normally is to be unapologetically town. so i'll be a cook

vanity then launches into a piecewise ISO in the thread that I've only ever seen done once, by a wolf.

i could kill drago here i think

112 was a scum lean for her in the reads, and Drago was not.

[VOTE: drago] aubergine

don't want epi lynched

vanity does not mention his earlier intent to vote Dragomir.

i'm not going to be here for much longer but i'm willing to do a small amount of solving while i'm present

tlib
elephant
juliets
long con
dfaraday

this is the list of suspects i'm working within today. get crackalackin.

i'll be around for 5 minutes. the wolf lynch + this spicy mechanic has revitalized my interest in the game

i'm peacing in 5 minutes

i have work tomorrow but i should be active after around 2 pm eastern

this is actually terrible.

i have honestly not read all of this, but what i have read, none of this is particularly wolfy in a vacuum. if it is, how?

it's like you have to push me and are struggling to come up with compelling reasons. c'mon dude.

[Hyena]

Hyena, this interaction caught my eye:

Vanity: you might've picked up on it, but if hyena and evenstar perceive their town games to be similar, and they're not finding each other, it's making me think something is there.

Hyena: no comment yet

Can you comment on this yet?

Oh! Yeah, I can. At that moment, if I remember correctly, I was kinda pushing Eva. However, I wasn't actually scumreading her at that time. At the same time, I didn't want her to know that, or else she wouldn't take my push on her seriously. Thus, when Vanity said he's surprised that Eva and I haven't found each other yet, I didn't want to tell him (or let on) that I wasn't actually scumreading Eva and was just trying to evaluate her, because then Eva would see it and might change her behaviour.

Also the following:

oh yea tl is probably scum

let's go

[VOTE: trustworthy liberal] aubergine

What if I told you TL was town? :P

Hyena, have you said everything there is to say about TL being town? I know you think he town slipped but that was after you made this comment I think.

Okay, so, me asking this to Iaafr actually had nothing to do with me D2 saying that TLib possibly townslipped. My question was intended to provoke Iaafr.

As for the townslip, I can bring it up if you guys really want to. I think I saw Benson expressing some doubt about me townreading TL, too, while going through my mentions. Let me know if you want me to.

[vanity.]

also why is juliets blatantly plagiarizing from elephant's case?

[Benson]

@juliets I'm not seeing what you see that made you flip your vanity read. Can you help me out?


PS I can do some actual ISOing work once I get on my laptop.

Several points from Elephants iso including:

- vanity stalls any initiative to introduce structured conversation
- vanity's reads have very obvious strong player bias
- vanity announces intent to "kill Drago" at -1:45, his reason on the actual vote is "don't want epi lynched"
- Vanity tunnels Juliets from the star, never re-evaluates
- vanity establishes a D2 pool of suspects along his old, biased reads
- Subjectively, vanity does not feel like the town!vanity from wildcards 1 (a point I agreed with earlier)

Elephants comments inside the spoiler (I don't want to reproduce the entire spoiler but let me know if this confuses you)

- I find this notable, because Evenstar had stated that Pawn would usually be correct in his reads independent of his alignment. MIchelle's question was well justified. (this had to do with the associative reads business)

- vanity actively stalls on iaafr's initiative. (Iaafr's initiative was everyone post top town read)

- vanity stalls on MacDougall's initiative. (Macs grouping of players)

- vanity is not using teh groups for their intended purpose, and instead launches into a very different discussion that looks like it is engaging with teh groups, but is really just about wolf reads

There are several other things inside the spoiler but all these comments inside the spoiler relate to posts so it's hard to understand unless you look at them.

Are you convinced on Faraday at this point or looking at someone else you think is a better candidate than vanity?

The thing is I see only a couple of those things a maybe Wolfy; the rest being NAI. Which piece of evidence do you think is most damning to vanity and why?
FWIW, I didn't even *do* those initiatives and I'm town, so I think that should be necessarily wolfy.

I haven't established where I want to land today. I'm keeping my cards close for now but I should hopefully have some conclusions to make after reviewing ISOs again.

[vanity.]

we need to turn this game around

elephant has no credibility in the village. them trying to make a case on me and push on me is asinine.

[Benson]

^ I *don't think

[juliets]

also why is juliets blatantly plagiarizing from elephant's case?

Because Benson asked me what caused me to change my vote and the answer was some of the things in Elephants case. So I pointed out which things - I wasn't "plagiarizing" but I'm not surprised you used such an inflammatory word in connection with me. I guess I should have just said "Some of the things in Elephant's case"

[vanity.]

oh good dfaraday has made exactly 2 posts the whole game.

that's going to be a wonderful slot to solve.

[Benson]

also why is juliets blatantly plagiarizing from elephant's case?

Because Benson asked me what caused me to change my vote and the answer was some of the things in Elephants case. So I pointed out which things - I wasn't "plagiarizing" but I'm not surprised you used such an inflammatory word in connection with me. I guess I should have just said "Some of the things in Elephant's case"

The thing that I found concerning (and I assume vanity did too) was that you were just restating Elephant's observations. BUT those were the 'whats' regarding vanity; I want the 'Why'.

[Hyena]

Finally, the one thing I really didn't like in your ISO and again this could be a culture thing was you asking boo to vote for 112 to tie it up. I'm torn whether to call it scummy or chalk it up to differences in mafia playing methods and culture.

Oh, I wanted to address this, because it feels like most of the conflicts I'm having with Syndicate players are coming down to differences in culture and playstyles. Part of me wants to continue to try to convince you guys that, yes, this is me being towny and that it's probably just playstyle/culture differences, but at the same time, I can't think of a reason why you should trust me when I say all that, because I can easily be saying that as a wolf, right?

Thus, I have kinda avoided confronting Epi, Dom, boo, and others about it and have been hoping to find another way to show them I'm town. I don't think their suspicions of me are scummy at all, and are in fact what I'm used to experiencing when playing with people I haven't played with before.

[vanity.]

also why is juliets blatantly plagiarizing from elephant's case?

Because Benson asked me what caused me to change my vote and the answer was some of the things in Elephants case. So I pointed out which things - I wasn't "plagiarizing" but I'm not surprised you used such an inflammatory word in connection with me. I guess I should have just said "Some of the things in Elephant's case"

that's not what you had to do

just point out a couple things in your own words about what made me wolfy. trying to compile elephant's reads for why i'm wolfy is extremely lazy.

[Benson]

oh good dfaraday has made exactly 2 posts the whole game.

that's going to be a wonderful slot to solve.

I'm annoyed. 2 posts in like 6 days is simply unacceptable

[juliets]

@juliets I'm not seeing what you see that made you flip your vanity read. Can you help me out?


PS I can do some actual ISOing work once I get on my laptop.

Several points from Elephants iso including:

- vanity stalls any initiative to introduce structured conversation
- vanity's reads have very obvious strong player bias
- vanity announces intent to "kill Drago" at -1:45, his reason on the actual vote is "don't want epi lynched"
- Vanity tunnels Juliets from the star, never re-evaluates
- vanity establishes a D2 pool of suspects along his old, biased reads
- Subjectively, vanity does not feel like the town!vanity from wildcards 1 (a point I agreed with earlier)

Elephants comments inside the spoiler (I don't want to reproduce the entire spoiler but let me know if this confuses you)

- I find this notable, because Evenstar had stated that Pawn would usually be correct in his reads independent of his alignment. MIchelle's question was well justified. (this had to do with the associative reads business)

- vanity actively stalls on iaafr's initiative. (Iaafr's initiative was everyone post top town read)

- vanity stalls on MacDougall's initiative. (Macs grouping of players)

- vanity is not using teh groups for their intended purpose, and instead launches into a very different discussion that looks like it is engaging with teh groups, but is really just about wolf reads

There are several other things inside the spoiler but all these comments inside the spoiler relate to posts so it's hard to understand unless you look at them.

Are you convinced on Faraday at this point or looking at someone else you think is a better candidate than vanity?

The thing is I see only a couple of those things a maybe Wolfy; the rest being NAI. Which piece of evidence do you think is most damning to vanity and why?
FWIW, I didn't even *do* those initiatives and I'm town, so I think that should be necessarily wolfy.

I haven't established where I want to land today. I'm keeping my cards close for now but I should hopefully have some conclusions to make after reviewing ISOs again.

I'll take another look at the things I cited and try to cull out those that might be NAI that I found to be wolfy on first read. Also, vanity's response to some of the points might cause me to move off of him anyway.

[nutella]

[mention]vanity.[/mention] sorry dude, like I said I won't blame you for not being around, but please address this post:

@vanity. you don't have a huge number of D2 posts, and in most of them you have some focus on whether or not certain players were on the Drago wagon and ensuring that we consider potential bussing. I feel like we all reached a consensus that yes we need to look for bussers but somehow your contributions stop there and you haven't been very active in our actual hunting activity so far. If it's just a time issue I won't hold it against you but I do expect a little more when you're available.

And please also address the actual points in elephant's iso. I will probably move off you but only if you take this pressure seriously.

[boo]

Huh, well vanity seems to have gone full rage-mode over having votes which is reading way more cornered baddie than upset civ to me. I didn't find the cases compelling enough to consider a vote for him, but now I'm kind of inclined to.

[vanity.]

i need to tone down the aggression. i'm sorry, that was uncharacteristic of me

[juliets]

also why is juliets blatantly plagiarizing from elephant's case?

Because Benson asked me what caused me to change my vote and the answer was some of the things in Elephants case. So I pointed out which things - I wasn't "plagiarizing" but I'm not surprised you used such an inflammatory word in connection with me. I guess I should have just said "Some of the things in Elephant's case"

that's not what you had to do

just point out a couple things in your own words about what made me wolfy. trying to compile elephant's reads for why i'm wolfy is extremely lazy.

Lazy? It took much longer than your suggestion. I was trying to be precise.

[Hyena]

I don't usually have the term "mindmeld" in my lexicon, but that's twice for us now I guess.

Also, your pic is more handsome and charming than I would have imagined a hyena could look.

Hyenas are more photogenic than people think!

[vanity.]

@vanity. sorry dude, like I said I won't blame you for not being around, but please address this post:

@vanity. you don't have a huge number of D2 posts, and in most of them you have some focus on whether or not certain players were on the Drago wagon and ensuring that we consider potential bussing. I feel like we all reached a consensus that yes we need to look for bussers but somehow your contributions stop there and you haven't been very active in our actual hunting activity so far. If it's just a time issue I won't hold it against you but I do expect a little more when you're available.

And please also address the actual points in elephant's iso. I will probably move off you but only if you take this pressure seriously.

the reason i wanted to explore bussing and encourage others to consider potential bussers was because there are so many people in our particular group that did vote on

otherwise i probably would solely push on people that didn't vote drago. but the field we have to evaluate in regards to people that didn't vote drago is too small

[boo]

we need to turn this game around

elephant has no credibility in the village. them trying to make a case on me and push on me is asinine.

Did you miss the D1 lynch result? The only "we" that makes sense there is you're mafia...

Elephant making a case on you is Elephant playing the game. This is an absurd and insulting/rude (like several of your recent posts have been) statement.

I'm moving over to [VOTE: vanity.] aubergine

[vanity.]

also why is juliets blatantly plagiarizing from elephant's case?

Because Benson asked me what caused me to change my vote and the answer was some of the things in Elephants case. So I pointed out which things - I wasn't "plagiarizing" but I'm not surprised you used such an inflammatory word in connection with me. I guess I should have just said "Some of the things in Elephant's case"

that's not what you had to do

just point out a couple things in your own words about what made me wolfy. trying to compile elephant's reads for why i'm wolfy is extremely lazy.

Lazy? It took much longer than your suggestion. I was trying to be precise.

why the need for precision? elephant's case is very easy to access and out in the open.

[vanity.]

Huh, well vanity seems to have gone full rage-mode over having votes which is reading way more cornered baddie than upset civ to me. I didn't find the cases compelling enough to consider a vote for him, but now I'm kind of inclined to.

lol.

i wouldn''t be upset at all if i wasn't actually being villagery. i've had a villagery game so far and plenty of people have noticed. it's just unfortunate that there's no one like that in this group.

also me raging like that is probably in both of my ranges but i think i would have more courtesy as a wolf overall

[Benson]

Now this is getting interesting

[juliets]

also why is juliets blatantly plagiarizing from elephant's case?

Because Benson asked me what caused me to change my vote and the answer was some of the things in Elephants case. So I pointed out which things - I wasn't "plagiarizing" but I'm not surprised you used such an inflammatory word in connection with me. I guess I should have just said "Some of the things in Elephant's case"

The thing that I found concerning (and I assume vanity did too) was that you were just restating Elephant's observations. BUT those were the 'whats' regarding vanity; I want the 'Why'.

Benson I'll keep this in mind for revising my answer to better meet your needs. I will wait to produce a revised read to when vanity has finished replying to Elephant so I won't have to do two revisions.

[vanity.]

also i never would've bussed drago d1, and ESPECIALLY not for a reason like "i don't want epi to die"

like what am i actually doing there if epi is a v? unless epi has a god wolf role that's even better than drago's

[Hyena]

DF is being DF. Getting a post or two each phase from him is typical. In the past, I've always been fine with lynching him for it (and often argued for it), because either he gets lynched early for it, or he skates to the end of the game after people bring it up and it largely gets ignored. If the lynch goes in his direction today, I'd be fine with that. But it's only ever my first choice when I have no actual suspicions, and I think we got enough to work with from D1 that we could get another baddie today with the information available if we're smart about it, whereas with DF, lynching him is just a random result that might (but statistically probably won't) go well, but even if it does, won't give any actual information to then use going forward.

The lack of info from his lynch is the one huge drawback that's makes me hesitant to go forward with the DFar lynch, yeah

[vanity.]

you're being ignored boo.

i don't have the time or patience to entertain this "vanity is raging in a wolfy way"

you understand why that's not compelling, right?

[juliets]

also why is juliets blatantly plagiarizing from elephant's case?

Because Benson asked me what caused me to change my vote and the answer was some of the things in Elephants case. So I pointed out which things - I wasn't "plagiarizing" but I'm not surprised you used such an inflammatory word in connection with me. I guess I should have just said "Some of the things in Elephant's case"

that's not what you had to do

just point out a couple things in your own words about what made me wolfy. trying to compile elephant's reads for why i'm wolfy is extremely lazy.

Lazy? It took much longer than your suggestion. I was trying to be precise.

why the need for precision? elephant's case is very easy to access and out in the open.

Jesus vanity, you are trying to nit pick me to death why don't you address Elephant's points instead. Precision because that is how I play mafia. I'm thoughtful, deliberative, and specific. You haven't read the posts in here but I'm trying to let some of that go because it's not the style you guys play, give me a break.

[Benson]

Ugh vanity, the only thing Im nervous about is how concerned you are about how "villagery" you've been. That just makes me suspect you're a wolf that thinks he played a clean game and deserves credit.

[Benson]

I still don't like vanity as a wagon today.

[Hyena]

Also, I think TLib unintentionally townslipped earlier. I don't want to point it explicitly out right now though, but if you go looking through his D2 posts, you might see it, too. Take it with a grain of salt though.

I am really too paranoid for this, you know??? Especially in situations that can be anticipated by the mafia team, a townslip can be premeditated. But maybe I have not seen the same thing that you saw.

I'm considering just posting the townslip, but yeah, that's why I say take it with a grain of salt. I've been screwed over by scum faking townslips before, lol.