Inception [END]

[Dom]

How many baddies do we think are left?

If I read OP right 3 power roles and atleast one goon

Correct me if wrong

Sorry 2 power roles and a goon just checked

So there's only two left you think?

Feels too easy.

iaafr
pawn
hyena

yucky !

[Dom]

I think I was wrong about Jack.

Really?

Dom has never done this as town.

Spoiler: show

I love you, too.

Spoiler: show

no hetero

[112]

iaafr pls project town

[Jackofhearts2005]

Trustworthy Liberal

November 10th
am
12:30 - iaafr votes Long Con
2:21 - iaafr votes Elephant
5:37 - Master Radish votes Hyena
5:50 - sprityo votes Eva
9:00 - Dom votes Jack
11:00 - Eva votes nutella
11:04 - Elephant votes Dom
11:39 - Master Radishes votes TLib
11:45 - Hyena votes Eva
11:49 - Master Radishes votes Elephant
Pm
12:03 - 112 votes Elephant
12:10 - Master Radishes votes TLib
12:14 - 112 votes TLib
12:31 - Hyena votes Eva
12:48 - Hyena votes 112
12:53 - Hyena votes nutella
1:25 - juliets votes TLib
2:14 - Master Radishes votes Eva
2:15 - Eva votes Eva
2:15 - Hyena votes Eva
2:48 - juliets invites TLib
2:50 - Elephant votes Master Radishes
3:04 - Jack votes Elephant
3:11 - Elephant votes Michelle
4:01 - juliets votes Long Con
4:03 - Epi votes Pawn
4:12 - Eva votes nutella
4:18 - iaafr votes Long Con
4:18 - Hyena votes Long Con
4:20 - Eva votes Michelle
4:21 - Eva votes Epi
4:27 - Hyena votes Epi
4:32 - Jack votes Pawn
4:33 - Dom votes Pawn
4:43 - iaafr votes Elephant
4:50 - Elephant votes Elephant
4:55 - Eva votes Michelle
4:58 - Pawn votes Hyena
4:58 - Mac votes Hyena
4:59 - Eva votes Hyena
5:01 - iaafr votes Hyena
5:05 - Hyena votes 112
5:06 - iaafr votes Pawn
5:07 - Hyena votes Pawn
5:08 - Dom votes Pawn
5:14 - Dom votes 112
5:15 - Mac votes 112
5:19 - Mac votes Hyena, out for the day
5:20 - Elephant votes 112
5:21 - Dom votes Pawn
5:21 - Elephant votes Elephant
5:23 - iaafr votes Hyena
5:33 - Hyena votes Hyena
5:38 - Hyena votes Elephant
5:42 - Dom votes Hyena
5:44 - iaafr votes Long Con
5:46 - Hyena votes Hyena
5:47 - Hyena votes Elephant
5:50 - Dom votes Elephant
5:58 - Elephant votes Michelle

Now imagine doing this manually for an entire 30 people game.

Fire Emblem Draft Mafia 2 coming soon to a forum near you.

On pure vote order, Hyena’s votes looks worst considering how much he townread Elephant.

Also Elephant ended self voting as scum? Lol.

[MacDougall]

Epi's ISO pretty much spews him teammates with Elephant tbh. It's damning shit.

Elephant - Elephant called my willingness to be lynched "reverse psychology." Anybody who knows me right now knows there is nothing reverse about working as much as I do. Elephant does not know me whatsoever, and I cannot judge Elephant for that. What I can do is judge Elephant for keeping his vote on me despite engaging with others. Would lynch, but not Day 1.

This is the first mention of Elephant. The "would lynch, but not day 1" is distancing 101. The commentary here is meaningless drivel designed to look like real play.

To answer Elephant's question: "why did you really select Hyena to be your first push?"

He was there at the same time I was. And to be clear, it wasn't a push. It was my first suspicion. It is now a suspicion that lingers in the back of my mind for now.

Goes out of his way to answer Elephant's question. Epi goes into detail to explain himself for Elephant. For the rest of us it's usually just insults or dismissal lol.

I have no interest in an Elephant lynch Day 1 or Day 2 (probably not Day 3 either).

Of course not.

I wonder if mafia had access to all the game threads. If that's the case, they could have seen the people here D2 having doubts about Evenstar and 112 and started pushing those two in preparation for when we all joined back up here.

Didn't you see Epignosis reading here?

I should rephrase that. One of us spotted Epignosis as viewing this thread D2. I don't remember who it was, it might have been Hyena. I don't remember what we concluded from it, but the "access" suggestion pinged this recollection.

The only time I was reading this thread after Day 1 was during Night 1. If I were reading this thread Day 2, what does that do to your opinion of me? Am I bad? Good? How does that information impact your view?

Elephant's prodding of Epi is always treated with respect and discipline, which is weird for Epi. Worth noting that Epi is a non busser type. Very much favours protecting teammates than burying them or engaging in distancing shenanigans.

Don't need anything in my play. The Syndicate people will tell you I'm a civilian. Get used to it hon. This is my civilian bod. It's sexy.

Who are "the syndicate people" who are still with us? Colin, Dom, Epignosis, Jack, Juliets, Long Con, Radishes, nutella, Quin, Sprityo? Anyone who knows, please confirm or correct this list!

This was tongue-in-cheek, a nod to some bizarre theory that gained currency in one of our sub-threads.

Just more distancing type shit that's null.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

I'm with Michelle.

why though, her suspicion is largely based on things she has simply misunderstood from his posts. they have just been talking past each other and misinterpreting every point, it's the most frustrating exchange I've ever had to read. can you explain what you're seeing here because I think it's an unproductive town/town argument

I didn't even try to comprehend that mess.

Hijacking nutella's bad arguments towards Michelle's elephant sus. Empowering her bad read and defending Elephant at the same time. This is how scum defend teammates.

Looking at the poll, it doesn't look like there was ever a concerted effort to save Dragomir at all. If there was one, it was that sudden surge against me, not the votes on 112. If I'm correct about Evenstar, the only two unknowns (from my perspective, obviously) are Elephant and JackofHearts2005.

By trying to discredit the notion that there was an effort to save Dragomir, Epignosis is by proxy defending Elephant (and himself).

I feel like I've asked multiple people to talk to me about Elephant and I've been roundly ignored. Someone on this godforsaken dreamplane talk to me about the betrunked pachyderm.

I've put it on the backburner. Mea culpa.

I'll look into it later.

Nutella wants to talk about Elephant, Epignosis lolcats about it. Says he'll look into it later.

Dom, nutella:

Give Evenstar another Day. Find someone else. There isn't just two mafia members. And I don't think it's her right now. Revisit Day 6 if you must.

I think Evenstar is a dumb lynch.

Jack or Elephant?

Out of the two, I'd lynch Jack.

I still have to see about Elephant though.

Chooses Jack in a Jack vs. Elephant scenario. Vomit.

Elephant 4 [Long Con, iaafr, Michelle, Nutella]
JackofHearts2005 2 [Epignosis, Dom]
Long Con 2 [Macdougall, JackofHearts2005]
Nutella 2 [Lady Lambdadelta, Evenstar]
Evenstar 2 [112, Sprityo]
Epignosis 1 [Pawn Lelouch]
Hyena 1 [Master Radishes]
iaafr 1 [Quin]
Dom 1[Elephant]
Trustworthy Liberal 1 [Hyena]

3 Not Voting: Juliets, ColinisCool, Trustworthy Liberal

17 votes cast and the largest wagon is 4.

What an absolutely atrocious votal. We need to get our shit together.

(I guess it's better than "nova/jack is obvious scum, lol", but not by much.)

@Hyena
@Elephant
@Quin
@Master Radishes
@Pawn Lelouch

All of you, make your strongest case for why the person you are on right now deserves to be in contention. If you don't have a case you're willing to put time in to defend, vote someone else.

@juliets
@ColinIsCool
@Trustworthy Liberal

This may be the most important day phase in the entire game. We need your input. Put a damn vote down already.

Dom is an infolynch at this point. If he flips scum, Michelle is absolutely town, unless she refuses to commit -- and if she refuses, I need to re-evaluate her.
I have made a case on Radishes for the F3 lynch.
Lynching in my group is straight POE.

This is the worst post I've seen from Elephant.

The first thing he's actually said bad about Elephant. Very nothingburger though. And the followup renders any town peek he gains from it moot.

I looked back at my notes. I don't think I can vote for Elephant today.

Herp. Derp. Die.

@Everyone, Elephant wants me to screw the logic of my reads and this is a scum tactic.

let's lynch scum today, thanks for understanding

How does the post below factor into the idea that Elephant and Dragomir are teammates?

honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome

Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.

So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?

Could you please roleplay your character? A paragraph should suffice.

More defending Elephant.

@Everyone, Elephant wants me to screw the logic of my reads and this is a scum tactic.

let's lynch scum today, thanks for understanding

How does the post below factor into the idea that Elephant and Dragomir are teammates?

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.

So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?

Could you please roleplay your character? A paragraph should suffice.

How can you town read him for a meaningless post?
An invite to roleplay is nothing shading or distancing, I see there a normal convo I would never consider AI.

I don't agree that it's a meaningless post if you read the exchange fully. Elephant essentially shot down Dragomir's biggest angle when there would have been no reason to do so (unless you think someone would look back and give you credit for it like I'm doing, but I don't think that was Elephant's angle).

More defending Elephant.

Civilians

Dom - I would wager money Dom is a civilian.

Evenstar - For reasons.

Master Radishes - As I've alluded to, the Root and I had an exchange Day 2 that helped us better understand each other, and right now I find myself largely agreeing with his positions. I like what I see, though I don't have the same confidence I do with Dom.

juliets - I was concerned that I could not put juliets in this list as effortlessly as I have been able to in the past, but I reviewed my notes and the progression toward voting for Dragomir looks natural.

Michelle - Most of what I've seen from Michelle exudes a sense of genuineness that is difficult to fake for most. I wish Michelle (as with pretty much everyone) would examine suspects within the context of Day 1, since that is the most valuable Day the civilians have in the books, but I'm viewing Michelle as a civilian for now.

iaafr - I have no prior experience with iaafr, so take this with a grain of salt. However, iaafr posts with reckless abandon. If iaafr is mafia, then he doesn't give a toss about strategy or how his interactions with his teammates look. I mentioned something to this effect in another thread, but if I were on iaafr's team, I'd be pulling my hair out and maybe saying bad words in BTSC.

nutella - Anyone from here can tell you that nutella has been a perpetual blind spot for me for years. I feel that I'm turning a corner on that front. Alternatively, nutella always seems to have my number. I think the last couple of times I've been bad, she called it early and often. Maybe that's a fluke. Maybe it's a small sample size. I know she's correct about me again here, and I don't believe she's faking that. My conclusion from my prior analysis still holds: " I saw nutella as a civilian throughout Day 1, and I don’t see anything here that changes my mind."

Elephant - I concede it's a small point in his favor, but it exists and gives me a good impression of Elephant. Perhaps I'm misreading it, but oh well. Elephant wouldn't make my top five suspects today anyway.


People I need to Sort

ColinIsCool

Hyena

JackofHearts2005

Long Con

MacDougall

Quin

TurstworthyLiberal


Mafia

112 - In looking back, I still feel Dragomir and 112 were teammates softly pushing against each other. You can read those interactions in this spoiled post.

Pawn Lelouch - Pawn has done nothing productive today. He has his vote on me and is not engaging me. I don't know why he's voting for me unless it's still because of what is perhaps the worst reasoning I have ever witnessed.

LadyLambaDelta - Day 2, all LLD did was shit on my analyses. I replied, "There is no civilian reason to discredit my effort without attempting to engage with it in some capacity. If you believe I am mafia, then you should be able to show how the content of my effort is compatible with that hypothesis rather than merely claim that the effort itself is compatible with your hypothesis."

sprityo - sprityo makes the list because a lot of what he's doing looks like busy work. I don't understand the compilations of noteworthy posts he's making- I'm not seeing any value added. Is there any analysis or commentary to go with those?

Has Elephant (AND EVENSTAR) in his civ list. VOM-fucking-IT.

@Lady LambdaDelta
@juliets

What are both your opinions of Epi at this time?

Eva I think he is town. He says he doesn't have a meta but I find him more abrupt and less likely to explain why he sees things the way he does when he's scum.

He's been pretty abrupt and under-explainy IMO, and he's so catastrophically wrong about the game that I find it really hard to believe he's not scum if he's actually any good at this

Yeah okay.

So, generally, your D1 reads did quite well: two of your town calls flipped town, and onyl two of your "teammate compatible" assessments (who should probably be in the "to be sorted" pile rather than scum leans?) flipped town as well.

Last mention of Elephant is a nothingburger.

I'll add that Epignosis is too good of a player for this to be anything other than his scum game.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

[Trustworthy Liberal]

How many baddies do we think are left?

If I read OP right 3 power roles and atleast one goon

Correct me if wrong

Sorry 2 power roles and a goon just checked

So there's only two left you think?

Feels too easy.

iaafr
pawn
hyena

yucky !

3 min but could be more goons since it says Vanillia towny once and we have had 3 flip so could be more goons so something like 3+ mafia

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

Mac I hear you about Radishes but I'm going to vote here for the moment.

Fart.

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Also I guess I should ask how does this cite treat neutral wining. Do they have to survive a certikn amount of time? When they win does everyone else lose? Like what are we looking at in this department?

[Dom]

: O

[Dom]

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

Mac I hear you about Radishes but I'm going to vote here for the moment.

Fart.

That took so little convincing.

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Also to the people that got mad that I wasn't posting much here I am guns a blasting (Surprising that I can play more at work some days then at home)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Can we all just agree Eva is chaos incarnate and we can't take her note seriously at all?

She spewed you 3p. Of course you'd say that haha.

Are you town friendly Radish-san?

I so believe Radishes to be the 3p and if they posses day and night kill power this will be extremely dangerous

So far they've only killed a scum so I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

And Nutella

There's nothing to suggest that it was the same killer. The flavour on the Evenstar kill was different. She was "eliminated".

Both say that...

[sprityo]

On the one hand, it feels great to be right in my conviction regarding nutella.

On the other hand, I owe nutella a Coke.

The Eva you show there looks like a different player entirely. She flips on a dime the very next day on pretty much everything you observe.
Why?

My assessment of Day 1 had Evenstar in the upper echelon of civilianhood.

She has repeatedly taken a dump on my efforts, and went so far as to accuse me.

That's a really suboptimal play if you are mafia, is what I'm getting at.

Apparently not, if it has fooled you.

You owe me a coke too but that’s besides the point

[Epignosis]

iaafr, epi?

I'm thinking about it.

[Dom]

Can we all just agree Eva is chaos incarnate and we can't take her note seriously at all?

She spewed you 3p. Of course you'd say that haha.

Are you town friendly Radish-san?

I so believe Radishes to be the 3p and if they posses day and night kill power this will be extremely dangerous

So far they've only killed a scum so I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

And Nutella

There's nothing to suggest that it was the same killer. The flavour on the Evenstar kill was different. She was "eliminated".

Both say that...

Feels intentional from JJJ

[Dom]

iaafr, epi?

I'm thinking about it.

Have you been stringing me along? Playing me the fool?

[sprityo]

Nice lynch yesterday... two for one! Any theories other than Poisoner? There's no Poisoner in the roles.

It’s already been stated that the role list is not all encompassing

[sprityo]

So... iaafr is bad, huh?

Ya, and LLD, and Pawn, and Epi if you wanna stretch a little further

[sprityo]

he certainly isn't the double voter.

Evenstar was the role cop, checked Nutella, claimed iaafr was the doublevoter, iaafr didn’t deny it

Easy mafia bag

[sprityo]

To spell it out for those not paying attention. Radishes and/or Sprityo have to be the 3p because Evenstar is heavily implying she was targeted in the l3 place so it can only be those two and she was sure it wasn't Sprityo.

Radishes not suspect Sprityo of being so just confirms it.

So does his "she's marvelous at this" post. That's not how a town thinks in that place.

Jay placed me in a room with two murderers and said “have fun” I guess

[sprityo]

Based on everything I said already and what Eve said yesterday I am pretty sure Radishes is Neutral who needs to die double KP is dangerous to let live more so then mafia we will drop like flies to them with no way to stop it so at this point they have to die.

I hope if your town Radish's you can prove it otherwise I think you are the best kill today. Also guess neutral is night immune so not even our big can take care of them.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

My only counter point to this is why Radishes voted Evenstar yesterday. Aside from wine “not wanting to look suspicious”

[Trustworthy Liberal]

he certainly isn't the double voter.

Evenstar was the role cop, checked Nutella, claimed iaafr was the doublevoter, iaafr didn’t deny it

Easy mafia bag

At first I thought this was unlikely ever wrote a bit saying so but if mafia got to talk between each other while town was stuck in their own threads this makes a but more sense and likely hood if say Elephant wanted to push Nutella originally but after getting that info decided was more trouble then it was worth. That or N1 check before separation.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think Elephant and Hyena completely bollocksed that EOD and outed themselves btw.

A vig shoots Hyena last night a neutral kills Nutella

And honestly? A daykill on Eva isn’t the best choice either. Like, she had a bunch of people pocketed.

If the same 3p player shot Eva and then Nutella, they were likely shooting for town both times.

Worth keeping in mind.

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Based on everything I said already and what Eve said yesterday I am pretty sure Radishes is Neutral who needs to die double KP is dangerous to let live more so then mafia we will drop like flies to them with no way to stop it so at this point they have to die.

I hope if your town Radish's you can prove it otherwise I think you are the best kill today. Also guess neutral is night immune so not even our big can take care of them.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

My only counter point to this is why Radishes voted Evenstar yesterday. Aside from wine “not wanting to look suspicious”

Cause what if the kill was locked in at night before we all got back together.

Maybe they knew the lynch was fake like the ones before it maybe's are what I have.

Currently thinking it's a poison that you aren't told of but if so might mean they still only have 1KP but can double up every other night.

Does that make sense?

[Trustworthy Liberal]

I think Elephant and Hyena completely bollocksed that EOD and outed themselves btw.

A vig shoots Hyena last night a neutral kills Nutella

And honestly? A daykill on Eva isn’t the best choice either. Like, she had a bunch of people pocketed.

If the same 3p player shot Eva and then Nutella, they were likely shooting for town both times.

Worth keeping in mind.

Another reason to kill the neutral

[Trustworthy Liberal]

To spell it out for those not paying attention. Radishes and/or Sprityo have to be the 3p because Evenstar is heavily implying she was targeted in the l3 place so it can only be those two and she was sure it wasn't Sprityo.

Radishes not suspect Sprityo of being so just confirms it.

So does his "she's marvelous at this" post. That's not how a town thinks in that place.

Jay placed me in a room with two murderers and said “have fun” I guess

O think that might be the case kinda sucks but hey you lived and they fought to the death pretty much

[juliets]

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

Mac I hear you about Radishes but I'm going to vote here for the moment.

Fart.

That took so little convincing.

What do you mean? I'm the one who said Eva's calling out of iaafr to go vote Hyena is a bad look for iaafr. I convinced myself when I looked back over EOD during the night phase. It's was just like her giving her teammate FTF away as scum in EOD 2 In WC 1.

[sprityo]

For those wondering, I refuse to lynch independents over mafia unless the independent is a serial killer.

THEY KILLED TWO PEOPLE THATS MORE THEN A SERIAL KILLER

Yikes. More all caps.

Who did the killer kill and why?

They killed Eve thankfully mafia and Nutella town
But all it takes is another round of double town killed and by tommorow SoD we could be down there more town four if Big misses I feel that's way to dangerous to leave alive

How do you know Radishes killed nutella?

We have evidence and a case that makes us belive Eve was killed by a member of the 3 limit as well as Radishes plays match to a neutrals in my opinion.

This explains his neutral blendy look most of the game up until after the final 3 tbh

[MacDougall]

Jack's interactions with Elephant.

Hi @Benson I thought @Evenstar said you didn’t exist.

Hi @Elephant. I’m Jack. Where you from?

@Lady LambdaDelta, I don’t think we’ve actually met but I saw a bit of your qualifier.

@Master Radishes is an alt, yeah? Somebody on MU spec chat had an angry radish avatar.

I think I know everyone else but welcome to the visitors all the same.

At the start of the game Jack and Elephant were being playful with each other. I guess that's normal for Jack...

I am including 112 eyeing you. But on looking back I suppose aggressive is the wrong word. It's more like you seem overreactive to prodding. Like you are on edge.

Ok. I actually thought 112 was kidding but maybe not.

I'm asking for specifics when people suspect me because i don't want the wolves to just throw my name around and before I know it a bunch of people suspect me just because they've heard my name a lot. Thats especially dangerous on a day 1 when everyone is looking for someone to vote for. If there are suspicions they should be specific so that everyone can evaluate the evidence for themselves. I don't think it's too much for me to ask. Could be they're just reaction testing like you often do in which case they now know - I will ask for specifics as a response to vague suspicions.

omg that elephant is adorable!

Aight do you have any reads yet?

Elephants are better than reads.

image.jpeg

Hyenas are better than elephants. :3

You are one hyena. How are you better than an elephant?

He’s fucking gotcha there.

Spoiler: show

Lion King making people hate hyenas is bullshit. Hyenas are better than lions.

Hi Elephant. I’m Jack. Where you from?

I am pleased to meet you, Jack. I hail from the land of elephants. Have you ever been there?

Only in Sim Safari and Twilight Struggle.

Alternative jokey answer: Nah but I’ve been to Giraffeboards.

can someone with more Eva experience (read: has seen her as town) tell me if these absurd charts are a thing she does as town or not

Evenstar produced very convoluted charts to track ITAs in Dragongard, and had another kind of chart on day 1 of the Mafia Championship Finale. They do appear to progress towards less clutter. Evenstar played town-aligned in both games.

These are both town aligned Eva games?

Interesting, Jack talking to Elephant about Evenstar... potential three way teammate distancing?

the elephant talks like he's secretly a robot wearing a costume.

https://abstract.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/2098822/

This some Rifts lookin shit.

Back to playful.

Is @Michelle casing Eva or Elephant?

Is Benson still looking for Elephant seeds or what?

Pretty odd stretch of Jack talking about but not to Elephant ...

i like benson recently im not doing benson and would advise against voting benson

What do you like about Benson? Some of his stuff looks pretty questionable to me like the white knighting Epi, Elephant case that doesn’t pan out and the jump to TL cause...idk everyone was doing it at the time?

Especially given he's also shading "beyond reproach" civ Benson

I've had her since D2 and no one is listening to me.

Sprityo made a bad choice. I think the mafia may have gained some sort of advantage.

How did you learn about this mafia advantage? Does anyone else know about this?

The wording of the levels was like 'you're getting closer...'

Also, what was the point of our little F3 if we all survived? Someone will have gained something, I'm pretty certain.

You are telling us the mafia reached the Limbo level and won it? Why is the game not over?

Idk.

Dickbutt.

... so much bs engagement from Jack with Elephant...

Evenstar, Lexi, 112, Jack and Elephant gg.

In order and we reevaluate after 3 flips.

Lol i forgot I made this post. Jack was obviously joking but ... it's a thing given Evenstar was first in my list.

I’m moderately happy with my Eva vote. Not voting Nutella. Not voting Epi. Why Elephant?

Wants to vote Evenstar over Nut, Epi and Elephant. It's good.

I can't make much sense of Michelle's D0/D1 ISO, but I found these two gems.

kill Michelle she's not Towny

yeah i'd expect to have a townread on michelle at this point if she were a villa

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

wait you voted me before reading my Iso? -_-

i guess michelle is posting more than i know of her scum meta but uhh

no townread still

defaults to a wolfread

omgus suits you

I'd vote Radishes over Sprityo and Evenstar right now, but it's still earlay in the day.

what to do with this gem? What do you see here?

1) You scumread vanity, yet you blame me for the same thing.
2) You criticize vanity for voting without reading the ISO, yet you do the same with me.
3) You shade him for omgus'ing, but he is town; but me omgus'ing makes me a wolf
4) vanity wolfread you.
I will put it as clearly as I can: Vanity is our redirector; I'd bet he redirected your wolf kill onto Tony or Texas, and because you couldn't kill me, you have been pushing this agenda-y lynch ever since.

This is all well and good (and like all the rest of the Elephant stuff, from before I got here) except for this bit, which I don’t think is a thing wolves do.

I try not to shoot anyone I think I can mislynch and I certainly don’t try to mislynch anyone I can’t shoot. I panic and try to find the doc or whatever.

But he was very friendly with Elephant all game... but I suppose Jack is just friendly. This ISO is pretty hard to get a picture on.

Jackofhearts2005 tell me please where is your head at today

Towncore
Jack
Nutella
Mac
Michelle (beyond my original sheeped reasons, I like the Elephant push)
Juliets (but like the green ranger, she’s not quite as core as the others but this feels better with five people and there have been no pings)

Probably Town
Eva (mason?)
Iaafr
Sprityo

Probably town but I’m tinfoiling
Dom
Epi
Radishes (I’m aware I have all of the final 3 in probably town and it is a problem)

Nullish
Quin
TL
Colin

Scumish
LLD
Elephant

Scum
LC
Pawn

I’m sure I’ve forgotten somebody but there’s no poll on the full reply.

I'm sorta surprised that Elephant is so low (and Evenstar so high) in this reads list? It doesn't really vibe with where his head had been at up until then?

E@Elephant
If you are town, why do you have four votes?
Who is scum on your wagon?

Long Con, iaafr, Michelle, nutella:
Why are you voting for Elephant? What is the scummiest post in his ISO?

I pushed a mislynch for 3 days, and that is apparently what scum do. Also, I'm in the coffee group POE. Michelle is misdirected.

Coffee group?

More random chatter.

Dom Is there a case on Jack having information he should not have?

No.

I guessed a lot of things based on watching the movie. I explained my reasoning for those guesses. Some of those guesses were mutually exclusive. Some of them were wrong.

This doesn’t necessarily make Dom scum because Dom always scumreads me, sometimes for the dumbest of reasons.

Also, I’m unlynchable and towncore so don’t even try.

This is good though. Elephant trying to find an angle to sus Jack and he just shuts it down without any histrionics...

Jackofhearts2005 tell me please where is your head at today

Towncore
Jack
Nutella
Mac
Michelle (beyond my original sheeped reasons, I like the Elephant push)
Juliets (but like the green ranger, she’s not quite as core as the others but this feels better with five people and there have been no pings)

Probably Town
Eva (mason?)
Iaafr
Sprityo

Probably town but I’m tinfoiling
Dom
Epi
Radishes (I’m aware I have all of the final 3 in probably town and it is a problem)

Nullish
Quin
TL
Colin

Scumish
LLD
Elephant

Scum
LC
Pawn

I’m sure I’ve forgotten somebody but there’s no poll on the full reply.

Thanks, now I see why Dom pushes you. I have a TR on Quin who is nullish for you and Pawn who is your top scum because of their behaviour in the dream thread.
Elephant is lock scum for me after today's interactions and after the day in the dream level with him I gave him high scum equity
I wish for a consensus wagon for scum today.

Tbf to Pawn, my rainbow isn’t really in order.

can you please vote for Elephant? I want a scum lynch today. All my scum meters are alerted in his presence.

K. [VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

Acquiesces to Michelle. Also good. There's none of the drama associated with bussing associated with it.

Btw, I think Elephant is a cute gimmick account now that I know it isn’t his main.

Mild town ping... I guess.

All of you are on a two-person lynch train. I want answers to the following three questions:
1: Why are you voting for your current target? cause LC’s being opportunistic and I don’t have reason to townread him
2: Why is the other person on your wagon voting for them? Mac? I don’t remember
3: Do you think the other person on your wagon is scum? Why or why not? Nah. Mac is as solidly in his town meta as my thumb is solidly *redacted*
4: How does your read of your partner on this wagon affect your read of your target? It helps me be more confident I guess.
5: If your target flipped town, how would that affect your read of your partner? It would not.

For me, that's:
1: Nutella...
- Has a terrible voting history, having MLed 3 townies in a row.
- Tinfoiled me hard enough to be seriously questioning mech, but her vote on me didn't stick.
- Responds to pressure by trying to discredit her attackers, rather than their arguments.
- Continuously engages with people scumreading her for "no reason", rather than dismissing them as wrong and/or scum.
- Scumreads Pawn, who is my hardest townread in this entire game.
- Is supporting Epi's terrible "there was nothing really on the line in the 'F3', so it was fake" argument, which is blatantly wrong.
- Agrees that Epi might have access to other threads, but refuses to consider the obvious possibility that this makes him mafia. Characterizes this argument as "You think he's scum hinting that he's scum", and implies that I could only think this due to sleep deprivation... while also being one of like two people questioning whether I'm Spiny's mason partner. Why isn't she willing to consider that Epi could be falseclaiming?
- Went along with Dom's ridiculous "Eva is claiming vig" thing as well. Very willing to try to discredit me by whatever means necessary.

This post:

Lexi, the only thing you've done this game is insist I'm scum. When I flip town what will you do? I'm legitimately concerned for what it will do to your mental and emotional health.

2: My read is that Lexi's voting for Nutella for similar reasons to mine - to exert pressure on someone with a bad voting history. As Nutella's reactions continued to deteriorate into outright worrying for Lexi's mental health - seriously, that's textbook gaslighting - Lexi just kept digging in her claws and becoming more convinced that Nutella was scum. I agree with her 100%, and I want to see Nutella lynched today.

3: Lexi could still be scum, but her anger and increduilty in her exchanges with Nutella are very real. Her very apparent exhaustion also speaks to my soul; I can see no reason why scum would be exhausted right now, since this game seems like it ought to have been a cakewalk for them so far. If she is scum, getting the flip of one of her major, talons-in targets is the best way I know how to read her.

4: If I thought Lexi was likely to be scum, I would not be on this wagon.

5: If Nutella flipped town, I would instantly suspect Lexi. Outright pushing mislynches is very much in her meta.

But I switched to Elephant so you know.

This is pretty much the towniest thing I've seen from Jack. Reacting to Evenstar's wall with a lolcatty comment about how he's voted Elephant... just feels towny.

So Elephant and Michelle can’t be w/w so let’s just resolve this now.

This is a little bit weird though. They can't be w/w so resolve it? Why couldn't they have been t/t? Slip?

my question to you Elephant is why you knew to ask drago to roleplay in d1? you wouldn't have had any reason to know the scum had movie characters at that point unless you were one so how would you know that was a trap at that point

I knew what I had wasn't a character. What he wrote looked wrong. He wrote this:

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?

The idea that Dragomir could use "good guy" to refer to a subconscious aspect seemed wrong, it pinged me. I didn't know if Dragomir was himself trying to trap juliets (she does mention "loneliness" though), and what he wrote was a bit ambigupous, so I was just beating about the bush, but he never gave me a reaction like Michelle did.

Regardless, Drago was bullshitting.

Pretty natural sounding but I suppose it's not totally impossible for this to be distancing.

Ahoy there mates.

Morning, Mac.

Feel like giving me a jack brand cliffnotes?

Every time I get on board with a wagon, everyone avoids it or pushback starts. Every time I switch wagons, my old wagon goes in style.

Elephants and Michelle are thunderdoming.

The towncore is now the power rangers.

Doesn't mean anything.

@MacDougall

Wagon momentum I remember is lots of dumb votes on Nutella. I thought Nutella had counterclaimed mason by doubting the Eva is a mason theory, which she denied. So with that and Rabbit’s return, the Eva wagon went away and then kinda came back when she self voted.

Michelle lead a charge on Elephant and Rabbit, Nutella we’re also for it. Seemed kinda convincing. I moved there Then Elephant thought he caught Michelle in a slip and a few people like Juliets said Elephant was good.

Juliets picked up the LC wagon. Rabbits went there.

I gave Epi shit for not voting his scumreads so he moved from me to Pawn, I followed and then Dom moved from me to Pawn and 112 after pointing out 112 buddying Rabbit.

My brain is frazzled by this ISO. I'm not sure what to make of it. At some points the engagement seems like it's impossible to be w/w but there is just so much asinine shit that it feels weird. He can be teammates I guess. But if it's out of Epignosis and jack I favour Epi by a wide, wide margin.

In light of the fact that Epi also did that thing where he voted for Jack over Elephant... I don't think Epi and Jack are teammates. If Epi flips scum I'm gonna consider Jack locktown.

[Trustworthy Liberal]

For those wondering, I refuse to lynch independents over mafia unless the independent is a serial killer.

THEY KILLED TWO PEOPLE THATS MORE THEN A SERIAL KILLER

Yikes. More all caps.

Who did the killer kill and why?

They killed Eve thankfully mafia and Nutella town
But all it takes is another round of double town killed and by tommorow SoD we could be down there more town four if Big misses I feel that's way to dangerous to leave alive

How do you know Radishes killed nutella?

We have evidence and a case that makes us belive Eve was killed by a member of the 3 limit as well as Radishes plays match to a neutrals in my opinion.

This explains his neutral blendy look most of the game up until after the final 3 tbh

I've been trying to piece together their actions and yeah i think poison that's hidden and an option to night kill points well who knows most likely a BPV to stop mafia killing them or the vig. So if not today I want the neutral dead tommorow if this is their actions.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Fucking hell, Eva has just gone and completely neutralised me.

She's annoyingly marvellous at this.

Her persona must be mara cause you got fuuuuuucked.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I wanna make an SMT or Persona game but I’m too busy playing Three Houses.

[MacDougall]

For reference this is my shit.

sprityo
112
Quin
Dom
Long Con
Jackofhearts2005
Trustworthy Liberal
ColinIsCool
Lady Lambdadelta
iaafr
juliets
Pawn Lelouch
Hyena
Epignosis

Master Radishes is like some colour that doesn't exist.

[MacDougall]

Is anyone fucking reading my shit or should I just go watch football?

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Is anyone fucking reading my shit or should I just go watch football?

I am reading it but if you wanna watch football go for it.

(American or actual football)

[Epignosis]

Is anyone fucking reading my shit or should I just go watch football?

Go watch football.

Your list sucks.

[sprityo]

Also I guess I should ask how does this cite treat neutral wining. Do they have to survive a certikn amount of time? When they win does everyone else lose? Like what are we looking at in this department?

This is all role dependent

If I had to guess a game of this size is probably a “has to kill a certain percentage/amount of the player base by the end of game to win” or it’s “kill certain player roles”

It could also very well may be last man standing

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Also I guess I should ask how does this cite treat neutral wining. Do they have to survive a certikn amount of time? When they win does everyone else lose? Like what are we looking at in this department?

This is all role dependent

If I had to guess a game of this size is probably a “has to kill a certain percentage/amount of the player base by the end of game to win” or it’s “kill certain player roles”

It could also very well may be last man standing

Okay with the kill so many do you think it's game over or just they won now town and mafia still have to fight.

My homesite uses the later so always have to make sure what others use

[Pawn Lelouch]

Is anyone fucking reading my shit or should I just go watch football?

Reading, just also in two other games at the same time.

[MacDougall]

Is anyone fucking reading my shit or should I just go watch football?

Go watch football.

Your list sucks.

Oh herp derp i'm on the bottom so your list sucks. See this is how Epi deals with civs. Fucking wankstain.

[MacDougall]

Is anyone fucking reading my shit or should I just go watch football?

I am reading it but if you wanna watch football go for it.

(American or actual football)

NFL Niners vs. Hawks.

[sprityo]

For reference this is my shit.

sprityo
112
Quin
Dom
Long Con
Jackofhearts2005
Trustworthy Liberal
ColinIsCool
Lady Lambdadelta
iaafr
juliets
Pawn Lelouch
Hyena
Epignosis

Master Radishes is like some colour that doesn't exist.

[MacDougall]

Is anyone fucking reading my shit or should I just go watch football?

Go watch football.

Your list sucks.

Oh herp derp i'm on the bottom so your list sucks. See this is how Epi deals with civs. Fucking wankstain.

Sorry you trigger me

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Is anyone fucking reading my shit or should I just go watch football?

I am reading it but if you wanna watch football go for it.

(American or actual football)

NFL Niners vs. Hawks.

I'd say take a break and enjoy a game the games still got time.

[sprityo]

Also I guess I should ask how does this cite treat neutral wining. Do they have to survive a certikn amount of time? When they win does everyone else lose? Like what are we looking at in this department?

This is all role dependent

If I had to guess a game of this size is probably a “has to kill a certain percentage/amount of the player base by the end of game to win” or it’s “kill certain player roles”

It could also very well may be last man standing

Okay with the kill so many do you think it's game over or just they won now town and mafia still have to fight.

My homesite uses the later so always have to make sure what others use

Almost always it’s just they get to keep killing if they want because they’ve already achieved their win con. Rarely have I ever seen achieved win con and leaves game

[juliets]

Also I guess I should ask how does this cite treat neutral wining. Do they have to survive a certikn amount of time? When they win does everyone else lose? Like what are we looking at in this department?

This is all role dependent

If I had to guess a game of this size is probably a “has to kill a certain percentage/amount of the player base by the end of game to win” or it’s “kill certain player roles”

It could also very well may be last man standing

Okay with the kill so many do you think it's game over or just they won now town and mafia still have to fight.

My homesite uses the later so always have to make sure what others use

It really all depends on the game host and how they designed the role. There really isn't a site norm.

[MacDougall]

Epignosis - Evenstar is town. Elephant is town. Herp. Herp. Fucking derp.

Also Epignosis - Your list sucks.

[sprityo]

Yknow epi wants us to find mafia’s teammates and he’s very much so in that POE.

I think it’s high time he tells us why his reads were so so wrong

[sprityo]

Also [VOTE: iaafr] aubergine this is the most immediate and obvious scum however

[Dom]

he certainly isn't the double voter.

Evenstar was the role cop, checked Nutella, claimed iaafr was the doublevoter, iaafr didn’t deny it

Easy mafia bag

ture.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

Mac I hear you about Radishes but I'm going to vote here for the moment.

Fart.

That took so little convincing.

What do you mean? I'm the one who said Eva's calling out of iaafr to go vote Hyena is a bad look for iaafr. I convinced myself when I looked back over EOD during the night phase. It's was just like her giving her teammate FTF away as scum in EOD 2 In WC 1.

For reference this is my shit.

sprityo
112
Quin
Dom
Long Con
Jackofhearts2005
Trustworthy Liberal
ColinIsCool
Lady Lambdadelta
iaafr
juliets
Pawn Lelouch
Hyena
Epignosis

Master Radishes is like some colour that doesn't exist.

Epignosis below Hyena?