Pyre Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Master Radishes]

Talk some more about kza, Señor Radish.

Swell guy.

Likes anime.

Was once a cactus.

Has a strong town game, and, in fact, is the resident expert on Canucks.com at finding scum in D1. (Lately, he hasn't lived very long after that.) Doesn't rand scum often and it is his weaker alignment to play.

Until Champs this year, where he was unjustly misyeeted D1 because of culture clash, he hasn't played off site as far as I know. Thus I expect him to come into this game...not hesitant or anything, but perhaps a little less sure in himself than when on familiar ground. He won't be able to rely on meta, which forms a vital core of his strong D1 reads on CDC.

So far he's been light and breezy but trying to poke a bit, albeit maybe not effectively. But basically he seems comfortable enough considering he's surrounded by strangers, some of whom have a bit of a pedigree.

(There is a bit of a chance his scum game will be better here because of those same factors, of course.)

[tutuu]

I was thinking earlier couldn't we all just nl every day and the maf no kill every night, and all just live together in harmony and just chit-chat itt and make friends and stuff. Wouldn't that be so wholesome. Like that idea for a basketball game where "why do the opposite team have to fight each other, if they just work together they can score so much more points..."

ANYWAY *slaps cheeks*

This time serious work! Take it seriously! N-n-no more fooling around! Fighto Fighto!

[Sloonei]

at some point before this phase is over we should do some GTH stuff.

[nutella]

Ok u got me carote i rly think ted might be scum now

Just from tone or smth idk

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Mobile hard

I agree I'm getting weird vibes from ted

This is the worst triumvirate I've ever been a part of.

[VOTE: master radishes] aubergine because after reading three more of jovian's posts i've decided i like them and see a little of myself in them.

The Radish has not inspired me this game.

[VOTE: master radishes] aubergine because I support my triumvirate. I'm going to bed now, and I'll see if I agree with the suspicion in the morning.

Hmmn what
How much do you trust your triumvirate?

I trust them a great deal. They have been trying to sort each other out, but I think it's v/v.

not picking a triumvirate seems somewhat more likely to come from a villager

That's possible, but it's also possible that Wilgy didn't check into scum chat yet. Also, the Host literally told us to kill Wilgy, so I'm going to vote there right now. [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

even when I explain things I feel like id have to teach you how an ENFP thinks. and im not even sure I understand my own axioms at times. It felt like enough time had passed that outed was a target scum wasnt ready to attack. I did not know it was visor. Doubt that made much difference however

What do you mean by "visor"? I thought your explanation was understandable.

gg lissa

who are the villagers

i am currently villa reading tutuu, moth, nutella, wilgy

in approximate descending order of strength

(could maybe swap first two, and maaaaybe last two but prob not)

omg the maaaaybe is the wolfiest thing I've ever seen lmfao

Serious player salad in this post. Right down to the "maaaaybe".

Not gonna lie

My eyes just glazed over the posts and I only paid attention to posts that included the name "tutuu" cuz im lowkey narcissistic like that tbh

Also I am a power role btw

Same-same. All of this. Including the power role. Isn't everyone a power role in this game? Isn't that why I low-key suspect outed wolf for implying he's vanilla?

ok thanks

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

im a power role btw

Yeah, you said that already.

visor = outed wolf, moth was saying he didn't realize he was a player he knew

you really think sloonei and I are t/t? or are you w/w with him

don't really think the lissa post is quite salad

Or rather, why did you think moth would complain about not being forced to interact with people that could potentially be town (no spew), as a wolf? I kinda have to make some weird assumption in order to meet this read, not really following your thought process. You think wolves would complain in wolf chat about not having to interact with people when spew is at bay? lol

Idk i just its kinda slightly scummy. The "I kinda have to make some weird assumption in order to meet this read" sentence

Ive felt like that when i was maf and i was trying to be diplomatic and stuff. i could be wrong but it just feels to me like ted pre emptively wants to agree / not enter conflict

i hate explaining so much just to be clear, i just decided id give it a shot

Is this the reason of your vote? Because the post you quoted was posted after your vote in the thread.

Yea i kinda scumread ted slightly regardless but then he went ahead and made that post and when i responded to u it was an opportunity to give his most recent post as a tongue in cheek kinda thing and also i could just quote it instead of going back the previous page to quote other stuff so i saved myself some calories in clicking less. my granny says im underweight and i should eat more so im just doing my dury with due dilligence

Damn I really like you lmao

[VOTE: bronana] aubergine

I feel really really good about this vote and I'd like to see a big wagon for pressure

Spicy af

I don't like that ted jumped on this but I don't hate it from TH initially

[Master Radishes]

at some point before this phase is over we should do some GTH stuff.

Why do we need to?

[Sloonei]

at some point before this phase is over we should do some GTH stuff.

Why do we need to?

because i think it helps coordinate reads, but i don't want that to happen too early in the day.

[dunya]

down with ketchup?

let's hop in with both feet

[Master Radishes]

at some point before this phase is over we should do some GTH stuff.

Why do we need to?

because i think it helps coordinate reads, but i don't want that to happen too early in the day.

I mean, more often than not we do these things naturally. I don't see why you needed to announce it.

[nutella]

Reads that come from other games, having a baseline of exactly one game that you didn't even play is exactly the type of reads that wolves make and that villagers never actually care for.

He also changed the reasoning for his read. When he replied to me in the first place, he moved the goal posts in order to make the read sound legitimate.

counterpoint: I'm town and I love making reads based on exactly one game I didn't play

[nutella]

Reads that come from other games, having a baseline of exactly one game that you didn't even play is exactly the type of reads that wolves make and that villagers never actually care for.

I have no reason to accept or believe that this statement is true.

He also changed the reasoning for his read. When he replied to me in the first place, he moved the goal posts in order to make the read sound legitimate.

What was Position #1, and what did it change into when it became Position #2?

Position 1 : Moth is town for complaining about not being engaged in thread by people (later on he implies that this is an indicator of nervousness, by the way)
Position 2: It's not exactly the talk, it's the tone behind it

So which one is it, is he town because in a world where he'd be a wolf, he'd conceal information from the main thread and post it in wolf chat, or is he town because of his tone?

this is such a fake gripe. so fake. fake fake fake.

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

[tutuu]

Damn I really like you lmao

[Sloonei]

at some point before this phase is over we should do some GTH stuff.

Why do we need to?

because i think it helps coordinate reads, but i don't want that to happen too early in the day.

I mean, more often than not we do these things naturally. I don't see why you needed to announce it.

thinking out loud.

[dunya]

You can change your vote, we’re supposed to sort ourselves into seven groups of three

I honestly have no idea if it’s better for as many groups as possible to be pure or not, not worrying about it until we have more info to cross that bridge with

alright thanks

id join u and dunya but it will be rude of me to intrude so ill join only if u give me permission. if not its cool

also im uhhh. idk if i should say this. like, the first few pages kinda killed my "momentum" for excitement for this game. im just reading the posts and i cant comprehend what im reading lol

I don’t care, idk what dunya wants tho, tbh I just latched here cause I needed somewhere to go lol


Yeh I skipped most of the first few pages ngl

i just searched for my name cos im egoistical but i AM SO GLAD tutuu and me and nanook were in the same group. power group right there!

[nutella]

These are like polarized reasoning, are you guys serious

no...they're really not..???

[Master Radishes]

at some point before this phase is over we should do some GTH stuff.

Why do we need to?

because i think it helps coordinate reads, but i don't want that to happen too early in the day.

I mean, more often than not we do these things naturally. I don't see why you needed to announce it.

thinking out loud.

Ed Sheeran did that for us already.

[dunya]

Hi, hi. I have skimmed.

I went with tempted a because I love temptation. Join the temptation, pls.

I'll catch up tomorrow, it's 4.20am bye bye

dunya, I rolled town, how are things on your end of the aisle?

town baby, town.

let's kick some butts.

i have no idea yet what anything is, but i'm gonna dedicate a few hours to skim read and also try to wrap my head around what i can buy and why and who.

[Sloonei]

down with ketchup?

let's hop in with both feet

tedxtr is tunneling hard on a case that nobody else agrees with. What is your gut response to that?

[nutella]

I like ted's towniness right now.

[nutella]

sloonei can be town now yay

lc aint

[nutella]

wait no I'm not thinking

lc isn't ted's teammate probably


hm.

[bronana]

oh ted is insomnia from my research.

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

dude's a wolf

[nutella]

idfk

[nutella]

oh ted is insomnia from my research.

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

dude's a wolf

yeah

[Sloonei]

sloonei can be town now yay

lc aint

what'd i do?

[nutella]

The contradiction is the key to a wolf that just TMI'd the slot that people don't interact with because he's going to be a top poster and because you're better off town reading him for bullshit reasons, than attack him.

what does this say I can't read

[dunya]

down with ketchup?

let's hop in with both feet

tedxtr is tunneling hard on a case that nobody else agrees with. What is your gut response to that?

gth town. tunneling day 1 is usually a bad town play. i know, cos i've done it and sucked at it. i've rarely if ever seen mafia tunnel day 1 against the whole flow of the thread? oh wait, didn't that happen to me with that guy who is mp's friend in that game we lost when we said TH was mafia? i totally forgot his name because i want to erase that end of game from memory.

can u link me to the case or shall i iso ted?

[tedxtr]

Zack you’ve got like no games with me

[nutella]

This is where you said that. This is position 1 :

#weirdreads: moth is town because if moth was scum all this talk would be in scumchat rather than in the main thread

Marcher, I supposed you were kind of memeing, but I suspect there's some relative conviction behind your moth read.

Why did you think wolf moth would complain about not being paid attention to by other people, in the wolf chat ???

It's not exactly the talk, it's more the tone behind it. Like when I saw moth play as scum in g7 of champs, he had this like air of ?bravado around him. Like scum!moth was very "look at me, I'm a crazy and aggressive player who makes nonsense pushes sometimes! I'm gonna tunnel your towncore! I am moth, hear me roar! *flapflapflapflapflapflapflapflap* Show no weakness, only aggression!

Moth here just doesn't really feel like that? Like maybe moth really is scum and I'm just being fooled cuz scum!moth is feeling low-energy, but moth is like openly showing weakness and feeling bleh in thread and being bummed and confused. Like if this was the same moth I saw in champs I would have kinda expected like a tunnel or an aggressive attack there. It's a d1 read, it's not exactly a locked in, but it's good enough for now.

This is position 2.

Like the words in my post were literally just "all this talk". I don't know how you extrapolated that into being specifically about "moth is complaining about being engaged". You saw my post, were confused, and made an assumption. You asked for clarification and I gave it to you. Upon receiving it you went "fuck you. I was right the first time and I know what's going on in your head; you didn't match my assumptions about what I thought you were thinking about and are therefore scum". Why the F did you ask the question in the first place if you already knew exactly what you thought I was going to say?!

yeah go off dude


ted is twisting jovian's posts based on a misinterpretation and forcing it into a bad reasoning for a scum read that he is doubling down on. ted is a wolf trying to push a bad case.

[Sloonei]

down with ketchup?

let's hop in with both feet

tedxtr is tunneling hard on a case that nobody else agrees with. What is your gut response to that?

gth town. tunneling day 1 is usually a bad town play. i know, cos i've done it and sucked at it. i've rarely if ever seen mafia tunnel day 1 against the whole flow of the thread? oh wait, didn't that happen to me with that guy who is mp's friend in that game we lost when we said TH was mafia? i totally forgot his name because i want to erase that end of game from memory.

can u link me to the case or shall i iso ted?

idk, ted's right here, let's talk to him. although i have previously asked him to talk about different things.

[dunya]

oh ted is insomnia from my research.

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

dude's a wolf

is insomnia a character? i do not think epi assigns characters that can be easily scum-town read like that in their respective alignments.

[bronana]

Zack you’ve got like no games with me

"oops I fucked up"

~~~~~~~

you're insomnia, you don't make pushes like these ones. If you do, the way you go about it is actually villagery, whereas here it just reeks.

[tedxtr]

I’m not talking to anyone that has a scum read on me because I’m gonna get pissed

If somebody that can actually read villagery posts wants a go at me then that’s okay

[Sloonei]

I’m not talking to anyone that has a scum read on me because I’m gonna get pissed

If somebody that can actually read villagery posts wants a go at me then that’s okay

Talk about anything in this game besides Marcher Jovian.

[nutella]

@bronana what’s your read on ted?

Think he's a bit wolfy.

fart

[bronana]

oh ted is insomnia from my research.

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

dude's a wolf

is insomnia a character? i do not think epi assigns characters that can be easily scum-town read like that in their respective alignments.

it's the name he plays under on mu

i fully agree with nutella's recent ketchup posts

[tedxtr]

I don’t want to, I’m prolly gonna claim one hour before EoD

I’m not trying this day phase anymore

[dunya]

I don’t want to, I’m prolly gonna claim one hour before EoD

I’m not trying this day phase anymore

if you're town like you claimed to me, pls don't give up.

i am reading your iso now to get a grip on what's happening.

[nutella]

k nvm zack is fine

[moth]

wut the

[bronana]

is there a timer? we have like 30 hours left right?

[moth]

dunya seems scummy

[tedxtr]

I don’t even know what people’s gripes are with my approach on Marcher, maybe you can like mediate instead of going “ah you’re outed suck my ass”

Because I see both a contradiction and also mental inconsistencies from Marcher that honestly just hard pins him wolf to me

I asked what he thought was “nervous” about moth and whatever words he pulled out of the scumtionary in order to sweep it under the rug and he didn’t reply at all.

Maybe you can look through moth’s ISO and tell me where he’s being nervous

[bronana]

i fully agree with nutella's recent ketchup posts

k nvm zack is fine

[tedxtr]

dunya seems scummy

Let her engage me without having to address anything on the side please, the entire dayphase has been me talking to either brick walls or people that claim they have a meta god read on me and they locked me in the scum dorm.

[nutella]

Just an FYI, I do intend to play this game seriously. Some day. Just...not right now. Busy drowning in work. (I didn't think the game would start so soon.)

I can do lazy GTH reads if anyone wants, but they'd be kind of worthless at this point.

Lay it on me brother.

Without double checking things, just impressions:

Townie:
Moth - because he just doesn't seem to care how he comes across
tedxtr - being insightful yet a bit cautious (in a good way) in his outlook on the people he's interacted with
KZA - meta read; we've played together plenty and he sounds comfortable here
tutuu - perhaps mistaking 'fun' for 'townie' but I like them so far

Townie I guess?
bronana - mainly based on presence; not sure I've yet seen anything that makes me slot you higher than this
Nook - slanking D1 is his MO; when I scummed with him he was in the background but always nudging things in certain directions on D1, and he's not doing that here
TSP - responding to a big post with just 'bad' is vintage TSP
Mac - seems jovial enough to be town, but nothing that isn't fakeable tbh

Hmmmmm:
Nutella & Sloonei - tbh I kind of want to agree with both of them; meta-wise, neither has yet convinced me I'm seeing the town version of themselves (but I'm not calling this w/w) - needs further observation
Marcher - seems to be forcing things
Carotenoid - seems a bit hesitant, like putting a toe in the water but not fully committing yet


Not going to force anyone into a scum read.

Not going to comment on anyone else even though I've noticed them post a few times, e.g. Lissa, Turnip Head, etc. If I don't have solid meta I'm not going to hedge a read until I think about it properly.

that aint how GTH works pal

[tedxtr]

Zack, how’d you do your research btw

[dunya]

i think ted is town, i don't find their progression on jovian that uncanny or our of the blue, and i don't know why people are making it out to be a Big Deal like that.

it feels like a townie who was pinged and then decided that ping was worth pursuing and doubled down.

who should i iso next?

[Sloonei]

dunya seems scummy

Let her engage me without having to address anything on the side please, the entire dayphase has been me talking to either brick walls or people that claim they have a meta god read on me and they locked me in the scum dorm.

I've asked you like eight times to talk about new things and you haven't responded. I am here ted. I want to engage with you. Let's make it happen.

[bronana]

I don’t even know what people’s gripes are with my approach on Marcher, maybe you can like mediate instead of going “ah you’re outed suck my ass”

Because I see both a contradiction and also mental inconsistencies from Marcher that honestly just hard pins him wolf to me

I asked what he thought was “nervous” about moth and whatever words he pulled out of the scumtionary in order to sweep it under the rug and he didn’t reply at all.

Maybe you can look through moth’s ISO and tell me where he’s being nervous

it seemed super nitpicky and blown way out of proportion, and you focused on it to the exclusion of all else. your pushes have felt more like looking for something to pounce and hyper-aggro on than genuine attempts at solving

marcher's been villagy imo. i still dont really understand anyone's problem with them tbh

what does your villa circle look like rn?

[tedxtr]

It’s actually kinda funny how you voted me even if you claim to know me or how I play

Our only experience is that one game where you died N1 and I pushed the entire lobby

Mind how knowing my identity affects your read on me and why it is a scum read rather than a town one?