Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[ColinIsCool]

i think ive done enough to show im town outside of my claim?

Well sure, you probably do think that, but I’d like to hear the impressions of the other people.

well whats your impression?

I don’t quite know yet, but I saw you getting touted almost universally as town, realized I didn’t feel that strongly in your favor, and decided to ask about it. I will say the stuff about the claim did feel organic to me when I read it.

[TonyStarkPrime]

idgi

sabie isn't a miller, sabie probably doesn't have access to a miller role card, sabie probably is town, along with all the other stuff

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm getting shot tonight but please let me catch up to Colin in post count before I go

[Long Con]

Funny certainly didn't play her role in an optimal way as town thats for sure. I just find it odd how see ended as the top train when here approach to EoD made no sense from the perspective of a scum, unless she was:

1. Town-siding
2. She is w/w with Con

Given that she was unkillable, pulling the kill away from Con makes sense in that world, but IDK if I really believe that yet

It's inconclusive what she would have done in the last 15 minutes.

In any case she's saving LC from the chop, right?

I think FG is scum someone tell me why

I don't know if this is a "help me justify my gut feeling" post or a legitimate "try to guess my reason" post, but if it's the latter my guess is that she didn't claim it until we wasted D1 on her.

Don't know how to feel about Hally's saying to shoot FG if there is a vig. If that is mafia trying to get vig to shoot town, it is openwolf in a way that doesn't feel very in line with Hally's personality. But I also have respect for Hally's scum range and have never seen her play as scum so I am not very confident in that read. The logic makes sense but I find it really difficult to ask a vig to shoot someone I think is town.

No I have a definite reason, I’m seeing if anyone sees it without prompting cause I might be able to get a soft clear on them if they do lol

It isn’t what you said tho

Do you think this because she claimed to be a miller and also to be unlynchable and that would mean she had multiple powers in one role?

I think Sabie won the soft-clear.

no it's obviously wrong are you a wolf no you're not what is even going on who are the wolves

you were supposed to be a wolf but you're not

I'm sorry dude. I know I'm supposed to be a wolf.

[ColinIsCool]

I'm getting shot tonight but please let me catch up to Colin in post count before I go

No!

[TonyStarkPrime]

why is nanook/wisp green

[Hally]

idgi

sabie isn't a miller, sabie probably doesn't have access to a miller role card, sabie probably is town, along with all the other stuff

oh i get it now

already thought sabie was town

[ColinIsCool]

Complete Blind Interactions

Spoiler: show

Quick notes as time is short:

My primary takeaway from this is that the players generally being trusted the most are also difficult to place on coherent mafia teams. That tells me that the collective effort to form a strong core group and play process of elimination has been effective, and that we aren't in a place where paranoia is wise. There are some isolated "orange" blocks speckled about the non-POE space; this doesn't mean those interactions do or should supersede the POE pool. These are things to be mindful of if the game ever demands it later, and to investigate for yourselves to sort your own feelings. Also note that when there is less content to assess, "yellow" blocks become inherently more likely -- there is simply less material to help me make a determination. This is why you see a lot of that for players like sabie and Spacedaisy.

Stay the course.

Can you remind a dumb dear friend what the colors mean? Asking for, uh, NANOOK

[Long Con]

Reposting with proper quote tag usage:

Funny certainly didn't play her role in an optimal way as town thats for sure. I just find it odd how see ended as the top train when here approach to EoD made no sense from the perspective of a scum, unless she was:

1. Town-siding
2. She is w/w with Con

Given that she was unkillable, pulling the kill away from Con makes sense in that world, but IDK if I really believe that yet

In any case she's saving LC from the chop, right?

It's inconclusive what she would have done in the last 15 minutes.

I think FG is scum someone tell me why

I don't know if this is a "help me justify my gut feeling" post or a legitimate "try to guess my reason" post, but if it's the latter my guess is that she didn't claim it until we wasted D1 on her.

Don't know how to feel about Hally's saying to shoot FG if there is a vig. If that is mafia trying to get vig to shoot town, it is openwolf in a way that doesn't feel very in line with Hally's personality. But I also have respect for Hally's scum range and have never seen her play as scum so I am not very confident in that read. The logic makes sense but I find it really difficult to ask a vig to shoot someone I think is town.

No I have a definite reason, I’m seeing if anyone sees it without prompting cause I might be able to get a soft clear on them if they do lol

It isn’t what you said tho

Do you think this because she claimed to be a miller and also to be unlynchable and that would mean she had multiple powers in one role?

I think Sabie won the soft-clear.

no it's obviously wrong are you a wolf no you're not what is even going on who are the wolves

you were supposed to be a wolf but you're not

I'm sorry dude. I know I'm supposed to be a wolf.

[Hally]

I'm getting shot tonight but please let me catch up to Colin in post count before I go

why would you get shot

[Long Con]

Complete Blind Interactions

Spoiler: show

Quick notes as time is short:

My primary takeaway from this is that the players generally being trusted the most are also difficult to place on coherent mafia teams. That tells me that the collective effort to form a strong core group and play process of elimination has been effective, and that we aren't in a place where paranoia is wise. There are some isolated "orange" blocks speckled about the non-POE space; this doesn't mean those interactions do or should supersede the POE pool. These are things to be mindful of if the game ever demands it later, and to investigate for yourselves to sort your own feelings. Also note that when there is less content to assess, "yellow" blocks become inherently more likely -- there is simply less material to help me make a determination. This is why you see a lot of that for players like sabie and Spacedaisy.

Stay the course.

Can you remind a dumb dear friend what the colors mean? Asking for, uh, NANOOK

That guy is always forgetting stuff. The less green they are, the more teammate-possibly-indicative stuff there is between the two players.

[Hally]

jay remind me to look at the interaction stuff if i make it to the other side

[Epignosis]

nanook is the reason that fg said there was no flavor reason for her yeetproof?

Bingo

Huh? I thought she said the flavor was that Jack Sparrow could escape out of a tight situation quickly, and that's reflected in being impossible to execute. (I haven't watched Pirates of the Carribean so I don't know if this makes too much sense, but the general gist of the character I've gotten from seeing people talk about it leads me to believe it's a sensical flavor.)

Either Alison is FunnyGirl's teammate or Alison isn't bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Can you remind a dumb dear friend what the colors mean? Asking for, uh, NANOOK

Green = I don't think they look very compatible as mafia teammates

Yellow = I have no reason to say they're not compatible as mafia teammates.

Orange = They look like they could be compatible as mafia teammates.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

why is nanook/wisp green

mostly Nanook ribbing Wisp for being an arsehole

[Hally]

nanook is the reason that fg said there was no flavor reason for her yeetproof?

Bingo

Huh? I thought she said the flavor was that Jack Sparrow could escape out of a tight situation quickly, and that's reflected in being impossible to execute. (I haven't watched Pirates of the Carribean so I don't know if this makes too much sense, but the general gist of the character I've gotten from seeing people talk about it leads me to believe it's a sensical flavor.)

Either Alison is FunnyGirl's teammate or Alison isn't bad.

why

[Long Con]

Jay is riding this towncore-POE stuff too hard because he knows it gets applause from the upper class. Becauuuuuuse he's a wolf!

[TonyStarkPrime]

If you would like to make the case that Jay is scum then by all means go ahead but I see townie behavior. While I am loath to simplify his game to a point, he’s a lot quieter as scum, at least in my experience.

Can you recall an example of a game that brings you to this perspective?

I didn't think you were quieter as scum. Not saying I scum read you now but I didn't think your amount of posting had changed.

I ask the question, because I can recall at least one game where "quieter mafia" Jay existed. Mountain Mafia was played during my graduate finals week and I had no time to play. Colin wasn't in that game though, so he'd have to derive the view elsewhere.

might be a perception =/= actuality thing

[Long Con]

nanook is the reason that fg said there was no flavor reason for her yeetproof?

Bingo

Huh? I thought she said the flavor was that Jack Sparrow could escape out of a tight situation quickly, and that's reflected in being impossible to execute. (I haven't watched Pirates of the Carribean so I don't know if this makes too much sense, but the general gist of the character I've gotten from seeing people talk about it leads me to believe it's a sensical flavor.)

Either Alison is FunnyGirl's teammate or Alison isn't bad.

why

Because she hasn't seen Pirates of the Caribbean.

[TonyStarkPrime]

why is nanook/wisp green

mostly Nanook ribbing Wisp for being an arsehole

I think NAI but I see your angle

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay is riding this towncore-POE stuff too hard because he knows it gets applause from the upper class. Becauuuuuuse he's a wolf!

or because following The Method to perfection just helped me contribute to the only town sweep in the history of the champs tournament

[TonyStarkPrime]

Spoiler: show

I honestly don't care how many town losses I have to contribute to before I stop getting suspected for my normal playstyle.

This is not “I think Jay is mafia.”

This is “I want Jay dead. Because screw Jay.”

Don't be so egotistical. That post is all about me, not you.

You know that chopping me contributes to a town loss.

@sprityo i still cant parse the reasoning for your wisp vote. could you clarify?

Wisp’s posts this game have been grating and could’ve accomplished any questions/information they wanted to acquire in a different manner.

The way they went about it made the environment feel more hostile and that takes away from the rational problem solving trying to be accomplished.

You could call it something similar to chaos-mongering. Basically they were inhibiting the town’s ability to function and I see that as a mafia mentality and way of playing

Alison has moved *slightly* down for me tbh

why?

She hates angleshooting and what we were doing was fairly close to it

Are... are you angleshooting angleshooting?

according to people in space invaders, this is called "reverse angleshooting"

[TonyStarkPrime]

Jay is riding this towncore-POE stuff too hard because he knows it gets applause from the upper class. Becauuuuuuse he's a wolf!

or because following The Method to perfection just helped me contribute to the only town sweep in the history of the champs tournament

jay cares too much about one game is jay wolf

[Long Con]

Jay is riding this towncore-POE stuff too hard because he knows it gets applause from the upper class. Becauuuuuuse he's a wolf!

or because following The Method to perfection just helped me contribute to the only town sweep in the history of the champs tournament

Hey, ya got lucky. That's great! Good luck to you in the future!

I'm just messing around. I do believe you're bad though.

[TonyStarkPrime]

the people who look more towny than Jay pool is expanding

[ColinIsCool]

Spoiler: show

I honestly don't care how many town losses I have to contribute to before I stop getting suspected for my normal playstyle.

This is not “I think Jay is mafia.”

This is “I want Jay dead. Because screw Jay.”

Don't be so egotistical. That post is all about me, not you.

You know that chopping me contributes to a town loss.

@sprityo i still cant parse the reasoning for your wisp vote. could you clarify?

Wisp’s posts this game have been grating and could’ve accomplished any questions/information they wanted to acquire in a different manner.

The way they went about it made the environment feel more hostile and that takes away from the rational problem solving trying to be accomplished.

You could call it something similar to chaos-mongering. Basically they were inhibiting the town’s ability to function and I see that as a mafia mentality and way of playing

Alison has moved *slightly* down for me tbh

why?

She hates angleshooting and what we were doing was fairly close to it

Are... are you angleshooting angleshooting?

according to people in space invaders, this is called "reverse angleshooting"

Also known to the French as “shoongleateing”

[Long Con]

Spoiler: show

I honestly don't care how many town losses I have to contribute to before I stop getting suspected for my normal playstyle.

This is not “I think Jay is mafia.”

This is “I want Jay dead. Because screw Jay.”

Don't be so egotistical. That post is all about me, not you.

You know that chopping me contributes to a town loss.

@sprityo i still cant parse the reasoning for your wisp vote. could you clarify?

Wisp’s posts this game have been grating and could’ve accomplished any questions/information they wanted to acquire in a different manner.

The way they went about it made the environment feel more hostile and that takes away from the rational problem solving trying to be accomplished.

You could call it something similar to chaos-mongering. Basically they were inhibiting the town’s ability to function and I see that as a mafia mentality and way of playing

Alison has moved *slightly* down for me tbh

why?

She hates angleshooting and what we were doing was fairly close to it

Are... are you angleshooting angleshooting?

according to people in space invaders, this is called "reverse angleshooting"

Like I believe aliens.

[Epignosis]

nanook is the reason that fg said there was no flavor reason for her yeetproof?

Bingo

Huh? I thought she said the flavor was that Jack Sparrow could escape out of a tight situation quickly, and that's reflected in being impossible to execute. (I haven't watched Pirates of the Carribean so I don't know if this makes too much sense, but the general gist of the character I've gotten from seeing people talk about it leads me to believe it's a sensical flavor.)

Either Alison is FunnyGirl's teammate or Alison isn't bad.

why

Alison is defending FunnyGirl reminding us of the latter's character. She doesn't have to do that if she is bad on her own. If she is Funnygirl's teammate, very well, but I don't see it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I drop dead, I want level heads to rule this thread. Play hard and perhaps even play mean if you must, but never stop listening to one another. Every player, no matter how harshly suspected, deserves a chance to speak for themselves and be heard.

I am confident in Hally and Nanook to run this business. Every single civilian has a role to play though, and you're all crucial to the cause. Never surrender. Okay? Make Papa Jay proud.

[Spacedaisy]

You’ve got more experience with meaningful night polls than I do, I’ll follow your gut on it

I like your idea better. It could amount to the distribution of something, so a split is safe.

It could also be meaningless.

I fell asleep so I just dropped a vote on Jack On because it’s has less votes. Is it just me or are the numbers weird for the poll?

[Long Con]

The FG-flavour-forbidden-tell is rotten at the core, and I really urge those of you in the upper class to think just a little about that. It was a faulty premise, who championed it? Who agreed too easily?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay is riding this towncore-POE stuff too hard because he knows it gets applause from the upper class. Becauuuuuuse he's a wolf!

or because following The Method to perfection just helped me contribute to the only town sweep in the history of the champs tournament

jay cares too much about one game is jay wolf

I have no idea what this means

[TonyStarkPrime]

Spoiler: show

I honestly don't care how many town losses I have to contribute to before I stop getting suspected for my normal playstyle.

This is not “I think Jay is mafia.”

This is “I want Jay dead. Because screw Jay.”

Don't be so egotistical. That post is all about me, not you.

You know that chopping me contributes to a town loss.

@sprityo i still cant parse the reasoning for your wisp vote. could you clarify?

Wisp’s posts this game have been grating and could’ve accomplished any questions/information they wanted to acquire in a different manner.

The way they went about it made the environment feel more hostile and that takes away from the rational problem solving trying to be accomplished.

You could call it something similar to chaos-mongering. Basically they were inhibiting the town’s ability to function and I see that as a mafia mentality and way of playing

Alison has moved *slightly* down for me tbh

why?

She hates angleshooting and what we were doing was fairly close to it

Are... are you angleshooting angleshooting?

according to people in space invaders, this is called "reverse angleshooting"

Also known to the French as “shoongleateing”

In six months I'm going to accuse someone in an MU game of shoongleateing and they're going to be so confused

[Long Con]

If I drop dead, I want level heads to rule this thread. Play hard and perhaps even play mean if you must, but never stop listening to one another. Every player, no matter how harshly suspected, deserves a chance to speak for themselves and be heard.

I am confident in Hally and Nanook to run this business. Every single civilian has a role to play though, and you're all crucial to the cause. Never surrender. Okay? Make Papa Jay proud.

I would be really disappointed if you died tonight.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Jay is riding this towncore-POE stuff too hard because he knows it gets applause from the upper class. Becauuuuuuse he's a wolf!

or because following The Method to perfection just helped me contribute to the only town sweep in the history of the champs tournament

jay cares too much about one game is jay wolf

I have no idea what this means

My impression is that you wouldn't be defending your method as "well it worked this one time" if you were town. Or if you were a wolf. My impression must be wrong.

[TonyStarkPrime]

If I drop dead, I want level heads to rule this thread. Play hard and perhaps even play mean if you must, but never stop listening to one another. Every player, no matter how harshly suspected, deserves a chance to speak for themselves and be heard.

I am confident in Hally and Nanook to run this business. Every single civilian has a role to play though, and you're all crucial to the cause. Never surrender. Okay? Make Papa Jay proud.

I would be really disappointed if you died tonight.

town mind set

[Hally]

The FG-flavour-forbidden-tell is rotten at the core, and I really urge those of you in the upper class to think just a little about that. It was a faulty premise, who championed it? Who agreed too easily?

i agree with this actually

wolves have fake roles so i think theyd know about the flavor or lack thereof anyway

fg could have just been telling the truth. NAI tbh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You’ve got more experience with meaningful night polls than I do, I’ll follow your gut on it

I like your idea better. It could amount to the distribution of something, so a split is safe.

It could also be meaningless.

I fell asleep so I just dropped a vote on Jack On because it’s has less votes. Is it just me or are the numbers weird for the poll?

Weird technically, or weird in how people have voted?

[Long Con]

If I drop dead, I want level heads to rule this thread. Play hard and perhaps even play mean if you must, but never stop listening to one another. Every player, no matter how harshly suspected, deserves a chance to speak for themselves and be heard.

I am confident in Hally and Nanook to run this business. Every single civilian has a role to play though, and you're all crucial to the cause. Never surrender. Okay? Make Papa Jay proud.

I would be really disappointed if you died tonight.

town mind set

[TonyStarkPrime]

TonyStarkPrime - really did not like the shift off LC EoD and none of their posts have impressed me so far. Scumlean.

I'm sorry I can't think outside of this. what are you talking about? Did you think I was someone else?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay is riding this towncore-POE stuff too hard because he knows it gets applause from the upper class. Becauuuuuuse he's a wolf!

or because following The Method to perfection just helped me contribute to the only town sweep in the history of the champs tournament

jay cares too much about one game is jay wolf

I have no idea what this means

My impression is that you wouldn't be defending your method as "well it worked this one time" if you were town. Or if you were a wolf. My impression must be wrong.

'This one time"

I have the highest winning percentage on this website for all players with over 20 games.

It works often. It helped drive another sweep in DFS.

[TonyStarkPrime]

this seems like a great game to poe win on day 6

[Long Con]

The FG-flavour-forbidden-tell is rotten at the core, and I really urge those of you in the upper class to think just a little about that. It was a faulty premise, who championed it? Who agreed too easily?

i agree with this actually

wolves have fake roles so i think theyd know about the flavor or lack thereof anyway

fg could have just been telling the truth. NAI tbh

She can easily be scum Jack Sparrow, and have the same reaction: "Nah, the flavour is obvious."

But if she's not scum, then did scum push the angle?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Jay is riding this towncore-POE stuff too hard because he knows it gets applause from the upper class. Becauuuuuuse he's a wolf!

or because following The Method to perfection just helped me contribute to the only town sweep in the history of the champs tournament

jay cares too much about one game is jay wolf

I have no idea what this means

My impression is that you wouldn't be defending your method as "well it worked this one time" if you were town. Or if you were a wolf. My impression must be wrong.

'This one time"

I have the highest winning percentage on this website for all players with over 20 games.

It works often. It helped drive another sweep in DFS.

was that the one I don't remember? no I know it works, it's a good method, all that.

[Long Con]

Jay is riding this towncore-POE stuff too hard because he knows it gets applause from the upper class. Becauuuuuuse he's a wolf!

or because following The Method to perfection just helped me contribute to the only town sweep in the history of the champs tournament

jay cares too much about one game is jay wolf

I have no idea what this means

My impression is that you wouldn't be defending your method as "well it worked this one time" if you were town. Or if you were a wolf. My impression must be wrong.

'This one time"

I have the highest winning percentage on this website for all players with over 20 games.

It works often. It helped drive another sweep in DFS.

Hall of Fame should reflect win percentages, not "who played the most games". I'm sure that's a full-time job though.

[TonyStarkPrime]

maybe don't vig fg getting unsure

[Jackofhearts2005]

Stand by for day start. Please do not post if you have mod ability to post in closed threads.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Night 1

”I ever tell you how I got this gun, Jack?”

“Not that I can recall, Jack.”

”The old man gave it to me. Gave me a hundred bullets, too.”

“Whatever for?”

”To waste the shit that made me this way.”

“And what way is that?”

”Fucked up. See, the old man gave me a hundred bullets. A hundred untraceable bullets. So I figure…I really only gotta save one.”

The monster pointed his gun at the other and fired.

********************************************************************

In the morning, the incredibly handsome people all approached the crime scene. There was police tape everywhere and the two men in black stopped them from crossing.

“What happened here?”

“Heart attack,” the old man told them. “Could have happened to anyone.”

“I knew that guy. He didn’t seem like the kind to have a heart condition.”

The old man shrugged. “Sometimes these things just happen. Now move along.”

Funnygurl has been nightkilled. They were: ??? Alignment: ???

********************************************************************

The Jacks were shocked at the discovery of a second body. This one’s owner had been crucified, his wrists pinned to the wall with a pair of customer scissors. On the wall, written in the victim’s blood were the words BLOOD LUST.

The collective Jacks mourned the loss of their friend, the great and inspiring.

Nanook has been nightkilled. He was: Jack "Jackie" Robinson from irl. Alignment: Town.










A note on timing. The day poll will be accurate from now on. The night poll will not. It will be my intention to end and start days at 9 CST and give you roughly 23 hours to submit night actions and 1 hour for me to sort stuff. Since this day is opening 30+ min after that time, I will just shorten my hour to keep things on track.

Day polls are accurate. Nights end as soon after 9 CST as I can manage. Thanks!

[Hally]

rip nanook

so fg was janitored? or had a role that doesnt flip?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

??? Alignment: ???

:madmad: