Radiohead Mafia [GAME OVER]

[staypositivefriend]

also fwiw, i dont townread tim even though the consensus on him seems to be changing a lot. my theory was that timscum saw that the town was forming an incredibly strong POE, and his primary intent today was to break up & instigate paranoia into the POE at all costs. i do feel like tim's game today has been moreso focused on optics than gamesolving, and that concerns me. i do not have a hard time seeing tim being scum

[MacDougall]

Every time Tutuu has made a claim about someone's alignment without evidence or voted someone for no reason (24)

Spoiler: show

Town:
Tutuu
MacDougall
Dizzy

I am the Mafia prodigy of the new Millenia. I am here as a guide for all the champs players. They need to learn the lessons I am about to give, so that they can unlock their hidden potentials and let it all out in the finals!

Town
Tutuu
Oddmerta
MacDougall

Dyachei
Hally
Nutella

Rest

Mac, those that entered talking about RadioHead are scum and ted? Why?

My first thought was DrWilgy is town for actually paying attention to Mac's reads

Second thought was DrWilgy is mafia for
.. actually paying attention to Mac's reads

Im conclusion DrWilgy is town or mafia or 3p imo

Awww. Damn Joseph is just obvious Innocent Child imo. Holy heck how can someome be so towny so fast? I legit couldnt believe it

Town
Tutuu
MacDougall
OddMerta
MasterRadishes (sheeping Mac)

Towny (attempt to toneread, low confidence)
Dyachei
Hally
Nutella

Re: Wilgy: I dunno. They could be town who disagrees with me or something, they could be mafia, like, it would be reaching too thin if I try to force a read here just cuz u ask me MacDougall-sama. Sorry!

I wanted to gut townread Dizzy and Tim too but I think it's cuz I like them and I wanna reach a bit more than I should. It's like, a bias that u have to keep in mind. Not blindly townread ur friends. (Obviously not to say the ppl I chose to gut townread aren't my friends! I just meant there is a bit more juice on there, imo!)

So when I looked at this game the first time I realised that we actually need to hunt this rogue because the setup is listed as town vs. mafia vs. rogue and Sloonei wouldn't have written it that way if there was:

a) more than one independent
b) the independent can win with the other alignments

Now Wilgy is clearly just memeing (like to 99%) but if we DO in fact catch a rogue or someone hard claims 3p we need to just turbo them.

idk i kinda have the opposite immediate take, that we let them townside as long as possible lmao but that's like a game philosophy sort of question and i'm usually wrong about that kind of thing so probably don't listen to me

Nutella-chan definitely town, ppl who arent townreading her are missing out on a free read accuracy record boost!

Oddmerta so ridiculously innocent and town too lol. It just feels so wonderful to play a game of decepion with ppl who just bleed purity and honesty

Mafia: JustPlayingItCool, Fresh Prince

tutuu
macdougall
oddmerta

nutella
alison
dyachei
dyslexicon
JPIC
poison chan
master radishes (sheeping mac)

hally
spf

drwilgy
herm

fallen prince
tedxtr

(void)
colin
long con
nanook
samusamu
spirityo
timsup2nothing

throwing away early gut townreads. only care about logic and no feelings, just like ben shapiro.

townreads:

tutuu
macdougall
oddmerta
alison
JPIC
master radishes
nanook
poison chan
tedxtr
timsup2nothin

not townreads:

nutella
hally
dyslexicon
dyachei
staypositivefriend
drwilgy
colin
herm
long con
samu samu
spirityo
fallen prince

[VOTE: spirityo] aubergine

alright

town:
tutuu
mac
odd
alison
hally
JPIC
poison
tedxtr

towny:
drwilgy
dizzy
master radishes
nanook
timsup2nothing

dunno:
colin
dyachei
fallen prince
herm
long con
nutella
samusamu
spirityo
spf

1. Alison - carrot cake icecream
2. ColinIsCool - banana icecream with strawberry syrup
3. DrWilgy - chocolate chip cookie icecream
4. dyachei - melon icecream with a mint sprig
5. Dyslexicon - caramel icecream with salt and chocolate syrup
6. Fallen Prince - chocolate icecream with caramel syrup
7. Hally - blackberry icecream with fresh blackberries on top
8. Herm - lavender icecream
9. Justplayingitcool - coffee icecream
10. Long Con - cherry iceream
11. MacDougall - blue heaven icecream
12. Master Radishes - moon mist icecream
13. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - raspberry icecream mixed with vanilla
14. nutella - pistachio icecream
15. Oddmerta - neapolitan icecream
16. Poison Chan - bubblegum icecream (teal and pink colored)
17. Samusamu - vanilla icecream with white chocolate chunks
18. sprityo - blue moon icecream
19. staypositivefriend - starwberry icecream with strawberry syrup
20. tedxtr - coconut milk icecream
21. Timsup2nothin - mango icecream with pineapple syrup
22. tutuu - tutti frutti icecream

people that i can see being wolves:

2. ColinIsCool
4. dyachei
5. Dyslexicon
6. juliets
8. Herm
10. Long Con
14. nutella
17. Samusamu
19. staypositivefriend
21. Timsup2nothin

in the sense that i dont (want to) proactively scumread these people. i dont wanna case them or justify my scumreads on them (if possible)

everyone is like a mixed bag, everyone has towny stuff going for them, but like

i just dont find the "thing" that i find in other ppl that make me go like "no way this person is town"

if i were to rank these from most towny (for me) to least towny (for me) it would be:

(excluding long con)
21. Timsup2nothin
4. dyachei
5. Dyslexicon
2. ColinIsCool
8. Herm
6. juliets
17. Samusamu
19. staypositivefriend + 14. nutella (same tier)

again if possible please dont ask me to justify these, i am acknowledging that everyone has towny stuff going for them, this is just my subjective interpretation on the ppl who have towntold the least in my perception

my ideal wagons are spf vs nutella vs juliets but its fine if u guys dont wanna wagon spf d1 i dont wanna insist

cant we like just vig JPIC or something (i still think he's town) instead of wasting a day of wagoning him idk

surely town has KP in a 22 player game so

jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town

spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

[VOTE: nutella-chan] aubergine

tutuu I can probably go more in-depth with mindset analysis if that wasn't enough, let me know and I can elaborate

I think jpic is town too i asked u to towncase him for others not for me

[VOTE: timsup2nothing] aubergine

like. we should have more than 1 wagon

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine someone else push for a cw if u want

oddomerta actually kinda dropped off he was ridiculously obv town for me early d1 but yeah he kinda like what ... its like he got stunned or somethign. wouldnt bet the game on him being town anymore

Drwilgy mafia
Sprityo mafia

Every time Tutuu has made a an alignment claim about someone but with context (13)

Spoiler: show

First dumbass read of the game (trust me there are plenty more coming)

I think MacDougall is town because he is acting like he doesnt care (can i slank plz) and yet he voted "Yes" on the poll if he read the rules and I wanna believe that he read them cuz otherwise wouldnt it have been funnier to vote "No"

@Hally what do tou think of a world where timsup2nothing amd staypositivefriend are wolves and are using you as a cover of sorts?

Town

Oddmerta so ridiculously innocent and town too lol. It just feels so wonderful to play a game of decepion with ppl who just bleed purity and honesty

i wanted to distance from my scum buddy JPIC by starting a wagon on them, but as soon as mac dougall joined me i swiftly changed my vote to fallen prince to avoid putting too much pressure on my buddy

but its too late, i am now cornered into hard bussing JPIC. my only saving grace is to make this WIFOM post and pretend im being sarcastic when i am in fact telling the truth about whats going on!

i wish to townread tim for voting oddmerta who i think is obv town and multiple ppl agree is obv town

also i realize im spreading myself so thin that chances are (as usual) ive townread a bunch of wolves so at the end it doesnt matter. i shouldnt feel down about it. mafia is just to have fun

multiple people agree oddmerta is obvious town

Hello everyone, how do I change my avatar on this site?

macdougall believes hes obv town for posting this itt and not in wolf chat

timsup2nothing first post was trying to set the conditions for everyone else's reads and there was the whole "outed scum" bit in day 0 that looked like double bluffing to me

spf townreads him for the detailed / effort put in this read, despite it being impossible to figure out what he meant

Mac claims to be a master of "first post reads." His first post is crafted specifically to meet his own first post townie standards and therefore is probably just NAI.

Tim is lock town because he said "claims" instead of "is". Not pandering to me when he very easily could = lock town. Tim, you have been elevated. You are now Simeon, the Incredible Talking Half Banana Half Orangutan. Your job is to try not to get night killed or misyeeted while I townshield you and drag you to endgame somehow.

Are you sure you locktown this guy? Might be a bit early for that

i level 1 townread him cuz it just felt like a townie trying to be helpful idk

alison also town locked him dunno the reasons

not to sound like a broken record and by no means i insist ppl to listen to my reads cuz they dont tend to be that good but

pretty confident on ted being town here. apart from the stuff ive said already, like, look at his change of emotions, look at how he's acting now, trying to work together and stuff. like.

regardless he's pretty town

im posting this cuz paranoid u guys will cfd him or something and then i'd regret not defending him

ill put it on my to-do list to towncase him later if he's still being scumread i guess

im not scumeading any of the active posters. makes me feel weird like what am i supposed to think, that all scum are literally afk or we are misclearing ppl but if so who

mafia hard

tbh like .. yeah. mafia hard. i have no expectations im gonna win. and i shouldnt. mafia is just to socialize with friends thats all

i know that these are subjective/gut reads, but how did i end up at the bottom of your tier with nutella? are there any specific reasons?

i am not perceiving any towntells coming from you (which if ur town is not necessarily ur fault!)

I think you're probably just missing a decent amount of context on ted and assume you didn't read the chunk of the thread where he towncleared himself. I had been leaning scum on him earlier and your reasons are just outdated

I've read every post you're referring to. He didn't townclear himself. You are making this up. Also you were just part of a town team that lost to scum Tedxtr so to be this complacent about his slot is another point against you. You'd be paranoid as fuck about him if you were town.

Don't think ted is cleared but I have him as town. I was part of that team too.

I have yet to have anyone reasonably explain why Ted was being scummy on purpose then got upset for being called scum. Don't even think Ted himself has attempted to explain it. So until then I'm really not rating any Ted townreads.

he lied about playing scummy on purpose, he said that he did because he wanted to look smart

flip this: can you explain why he, as scum, faked himself being upset when he has no apparent logical reason to

scum do fake being upset for townreads sure, but dont scum like being logical to make sure they do indeed receive the townread

What makes you think they have opposite alignments?

this wasnt implied by my post this is ur own thought not mine

i think jpic town and spf scum that all

Okay sure but why is SPF scum

cuz im paranoid of spf's scum game and i dont see her being obv town and i dont find myself nodding along as im reading her posts as i did in her 2 champs games and from my perception shes making simple reads and simple posts and idk maybe im expecting the impossible and im unfair but i think she mafia and kills ppl at night

I think i just said it, i cant see mac scumbuddy with the rest of my poe, so or he is deepwolf, really early to contemplate, or he is rogue, for me is simple to analize, but still antitown. Dont see plus inconvenient pointing that.

If i were mafia i would never do a post like that, the way for a rogue to win is balancing forces between town and mafia, being read as a town and lynching mafia by day and killing towns at night the first few days.

I wouldn't be interested in pointing out a rogue reading, I'd rather leave him alone and let him take care of killing the strongest towns. But I try to go as an avocado.

Are u being that reactive cause did I specifically mention the word rogue or because of what you said in your post #803?

Okay fine Samu is town, Mac is right.

Pero respondeme!!!!

Me pone de los nervios cuando me hacen eso

Ups...

But answer me!!!

It gets on my nerves when someone do that to me

Okay fine Samu is town, Alison is right.

This post gets it's own spoiler because we're gonna talk about it

Spoiler: show

reads i am not wrong about

ALISON is playing her hearts out. she is coming from a game in which she felt as if tho part of the reason she lost was cuz she had no time to spent posting itt, so note how much effort she is putting in thread camping 24/7. she wants to make up for it and prove herself, and disregarding that just read her posts

sprityo please consider I have considered and this is just an appeal to emotion. I get playing your heart out, we all want to win. But that doesn't make someone town

MACDOUGALL is not as consistently obvtown as alison, looks like he is more turbulent, but his nitro speed rush thing on day was enough to lock town and never reevaluate Playing fast and loose is enough to be town? just saying something and sticking to your guns is 90% of your criteria for being town?

TEDXTR did a metamorphosis itt, please note how he got upset at my lashing at him, and how when he later returned he changed his modus operandi and became much mellower and try to calmly be diplomatic with ppl as opposed to earlier when he was messing around. i also believe he lied about playing scummy on purpose, my read is that he just said it cuz he wanted to look sophisticated or something, dunno
Not an awful read. you can shorten it to "He was acting out, but changed it after receiving negative attention. I think he was being scummy on purpose but I dont know why."

Why do you townread ted, tutuu?

towny hypocrisy in posting that cringe gif at me for scumreading him, as if it was a gotcha moment

"haha tutuu u called me ridiculous for scumreading u, but look at u, YOU SCUMREAD ME URSELF, HAHA!" *cringe gif*

completely unabashed, unashamed, disregarding how he comes off as, as if he forgot he literally said he purposely played scummy

when i feel this kind of emotion towards a player they're usually town

this too, please read in context the posts above and see for urself

im messaging this specifically for the ppl who r voting ted, cuz i think they're wrong and i wanna try to help. namely @Hally and @Timsup2nothin

No comment here, this is a matter of perspective and opinion. It might be important if ted or tutuu is mafia though.

ODDMERTA havent been paying attention to him lately but early d1 was enough. honestly actually kinda forgot but i just remember he was blatantly obvious town. if it matters id need to reread my own iso to bring up the arguments"Town because early posts, but now i forget."

reads i could be wrong about

DRWILGY uh i think i thought cuz he went against the grain and scumread me when i was obvious town to everyone. also had a bunch of towny / idiosyncratic stuff, i can think of only 1 top of my head, the thing with "tutuu why arent u engaging with me on our different reads on mac" and after some back n forth he said "but i never explained my mac read lmao" like dunno if this is a mess of words but he like paid attentino / hold his hearts to his chest / was aware of that and thought it was like a "gotcha" moment to catch me scum or something? I can agree with the observation and input about wilgy. But I don't see why he would be lower than some of the above people.

HALLY cuz of how much we mindmelded, and in general their tone and energy and everything. a bunch of ppl and me were paranoid they were wolfing in her sf game cuz of how much tehy wanted to sheep and be a "Support" instead of a "Carry" but we learned thats just what they like to do as town If you call mindmelding sheeping eachother than sure. other than that it is just "i like how this person talks" but not about game related stuff. the issue of Hally just wanting to sheep entirely is a good point though.

JPIC because of how little he cares and how much he continually wolfclaims and actively trolls for entertainment BUT thats not the only thing he's doing. he isn't a 1-trick pony that gets stale, you CAN see a few reads and thoughts here and there, he is reading and considering the game, while masking it behind the trolling and "idgafuckness" like something something ppl who pretend to care about the game less than they do - towntell
If anything this makes me like JPIC less if I was going to base my opinion of him off this reasoning. personal preference again, but this looks more negative than positive.

MASTER RADISHES im just sheeping my towncore. cant put him any higher than this @Alison at the end of the day i cant in good faith trust my towncore enough to put their townreads in my top town tier over my own (in the sense of not that i dont trust u (towncore) that u arent town, just trust on the read accuracy) This just confused me entirely. something about sheeping. so no real opinion or evidence is given.

NANOOK i thought derpcleared himself town for thinking there are only 4 mafia and not 5 why

POISON-TAN i think is a terrible liar and would not pocket ppl left and right as mafia. she is just so honest and genuine and its easy to see imo from my one game with poison i kind of get that feeling from her but I can't just accept something I havent experienced more than once.

reads i could very well be wrong about, these r just my feelings

SPRITYO i leaned town cuz of his anti-consensus push on alison, usually a towntell to scumcase and vote the consensus towncore like that. some other ppl said some things and stuff about him being town, i didnt rly pay attention to what they said, i just noted they townread them (so its a plus that other ppl found him town too i mean) I'm being townread kind of for being different and making a big post. You really shouldn't trust just off that unless you agree with me. or think my points are valid and misguided. something along those lines.

TIMSUP2NOTHING i townread him for his anti-consensus push on omerta, now that im seeing his push on tedxtr i kinda like want him to stop pushing my townreads tho cuz it gives me a cold feet. and like ... idk, i think he's hard to read this game This is a weird read. just engage tim on the subject.

COLIN i leaned town cuz of ... actualyl literally inexplainableyea

DYACHEI gut townread also liteally inexplaianble mhm

DIZZYgut townread cuz how he doesnt care how he comes off as, and he played similar slanky/sheepy as town before, but i guess if he were to roll scum why not copy it? dunno This is a correct statement of what could be happening.

my poe of 6 ppl (cuz 5 mafia and 1 sk)

JULIETS
NUTELLA
STAYPOSITIVEFRIEND
HERM
SAMUSAMU
LONG CON

pls dont ask to justify my scumreads tsk tsk tsk

my brain doesnt work on the process of "i put X as my scumread cuz i found that this thing they've done to be scummy"

my brain works on the process off "everyone starts at ground level, and i try to townhunt and elevate ppl up, and those ppl i dont find anything to elevate up on, i just leave at the bottom" This is totally a fine way to work at things but leaving yourself little notes or at the least posts here and there will help you collect your thoughts. You'll eventually look scatterbrained and might draw the wrong attention. Or you do it in the hopes that post volume will drown out someone wanting to ISO your posts, etc.

So what have I learned having read through Tutuu's ISO:

-35/220 posts are game relevant. 13 of them offer content we can use to cross reference people. and roughly 180 of them are non game relevant/fluff posts.
-Take those statistics as you will, but my concern is in the previous large post I just commented on. I didn't agree with most of the reads, or at the least how they were justified. A mafia player will tread lightly and keep people satisfied.
-I'm not into the whole silly and ditzy deal. Sure you can do it, as long as we're not swamping the thread with things that will make it harder to catch up and understand the thread. Everyone hates catch up (Down with Ketchup!) so as mafia you don't necessarily have to worry about staying on topic most the time.
-My biggest pet peeve about Tutuu is the 24 claims with no backing, at least that's how they appeared in the ISO. some may have supporting posts before them just not quoted. but it appears that these are all gut reads/emotional reads and that the reads list posted will tell us nothing in the case of tutuu flipping, or if someone flips mafia and we need to cross examine.
-Last but not least I'm wondering about the sudden bringing up of a CounterWagon. I will go over this in my next post. This will be more of a reason why I believe tutuu to be mafia, but for this half:

TL;DR: Tutuu is mafia for fluffing around most the game, sheeping a majority of reads and not providing a considerable impact to the game. Instead choosing to be around and look like they are playing and effecting the game.

Tutuu lock town for this.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The nature of my postcap being that it hit me with 50% means that there is an outside chance that it is a role that cumulatively destroys my ability to post. I am concerned that I may have another 50% tomorrow and so on. If that is the case then I would say that it is certainly not a town role. It would be a strange 3p role and much more likely a mafia role. In fact post capping in general is a strange 3p ability. Halving the top town poster's ability to post on night 1 is also just incredibly unlikely to ever be a town move.

Nanook, when you targeted me I presume that you didn't get an extra vote? Do you get notified of whether you get an extra vote? Apologies if you've already said this I can't remember if you have or not.

Nanook from your perspective JPIC is outed mafia now yes? JPIC you believe Nanook is outed mafia too right?

Naw I didn’t, it has to be a successful NK I think

Ehhhh...idk, maybe he is. He still seemed townie to me ignoring mech but then again he claimed cop while no other investigative seems to be able to openly claim so

how is it a maybe

if you aren’t the post capper he is the only one it could be so he should be outed maf from your pov unless you’re the post capper

Meh

Probably is, I think there’s some wiggle room but like

I’m not fighting it obviously, I don’t see it as necessarily as cut and dry but it’s probably mafia so meh

[Hally]

I’ve got about 10 pages to catch up on rn, but the question of

“Who is Oddmerta?” Came into my mind

Definitely wanted to try to push Oddmerta.

ah this was before i outed him right? so that looks better

[Alison]

yeah sprit was angling for an oddmerta kill (probably because oddmerta plays in a surface level scummy way and doesn't have a tone that's widely townread) long before it was clear sprit was going to die

[Alison]

also fwiw, i dont townread tim even though the consensus on him seems to be changing a lot. my theory was that timscum saw that the town was forming an incredibly strong POE, and his primary intent today was to break up & instigate paranoia into the POE at all costs. i do feel like tim's game today has been moreso focused on optics than gamesolving, and that concerns me. i do not have a hard time seeing tim being scum

tim trending down again with the revelation that there's a decent chance scumteam selected oddmerta as their designated misexe anyway, since he did a lot to push oddmerta

[Hally]

Every time Tutuu has made a claim about someone's alignment without evidence or voted someone for no reason (24)

Spoiler: show

Town:
Tutuu
MacDougall
Dizzy

I am the Mafia prodigy of the new Millenia. I am here as a guide for all the champs players. They need to learn the lessons I am about to give, so that they can unlock their hidden potentials and let it all out in the finals!

Town
Tutuu
Oddmerta
MacDougall

Dyachei
Hally
Nutella

Rest

Mac, those that entered talking about RadioHead are scum and ted? Why?

My first thought was DrWilgy is town for actually paying attention to Mac's reads

Second thought was DrWilgy is mafia for
.. actually paying attention to Mac's reads

Im conclusion DrWilgy is town or mafia or 3p imo

Awww. Damn Joseph is just obvious Innocent Child imo. Holy heck how can someome be so towny so fast? I legit couldnt believe it

Town
Tutuu
MacDougall
OddMerta
MasterRadishes (sheeping Mac)

Towny (attempt to toneread, low confidence)
Dyachei
Hally
Nutella

Re: Wilgy: I dunno. They could be town who disagrees with me or something, they could be mafia, like, it would be reaching too thin if I try to force a read here just cuz u ask me MacDougall-sama. Sorry!

I wanted to gut townread Dizzy and Tim too but I think it's cuz I like them and I wanna reach a bit more than I should. It's like, a bias that u have to keep in mind. Not blindly townread ur friends. (Obviously not to say the ppl I chose to gut townread aren't my friends! I just meant there is a bit more juice on there, imo!)

So when I looked at this game the first time I realised that we actually need to hunt this rogue because the setup is listed as town vs. mafia vs. rogue and Sloonei wouldn't have written it that way if there was:

a) more than one independent
b) the independent can win with the other alignments

Now Wilgy is clearly just memeing (like to 99%) but if we DO in fact catch a rogue or someone hard claims 3p we need to just turbo them.

idk i kinda have the opposite immediate take, that we let them townside as long as possible lmao but that's like a game philosophy sort of question and i'm usually wrong about that kind of thing so probably don't listen to me

Nutella-chan definitely town, ppl who arent townreading her are missing out on a free read accuracy record boost!

Oddmerta so ridiculously innocent and town too lol. It just feels so wonderful to play a game of decepion with ppl who just bleed purity and honesty

Mafia: JustPlayingItCool, Fresh Prince

tutuu
macdougall
oddmerta

nutella
alison
dyachei
dyslexicon
JPIC
poison chan
master radishes (sheeping mac)

hally
spf

drwilgy
herm

fallen prince
tedxtr

(void)
colin
long con
nanook
samusamu
spirityo
timsup2nothing

throwing away early gut townreads. only care about logic and no feelings, just like ben shapiro.

townreads:

tutuu
macdougall
oddmerta
alison
JPIC
master radishes
nanook
poison chan
tedxtr
timsup2nothin

not townreads:

nutella
hally
dyslexicon
dyachei
staypositivefriend
drwilgy
colin
herm
long con
samu samu
spirityo
fallen prince

[VOTE: spirityo] aubergine

alright

town:
tutuu
mac
odd
alison
hally
JPIC
poison
tedxtr

towny:
drwilgy
dizzy
master radishes
nanook
timsup2nothing

dunno:
colin
dyachei
fallen prince
herm
long con
nutella
samusamu
spirityo
spf

1. Alison - carrot cake icecream
2. ColinIsCool - banana icecream with strawberry syrup
3. DrWilgy - chocolate chip cookie icecream
4. dyachei - melon icecream with a mint sprig
5. Dyslexicon - caramel icecream with salt and chocolate syrup
6. Fallen Prince - chocolate icecream with caramel syrup
7. Hally - blackberry icecream with fresh blackberries on top
8. Herm - lavender icecream
9. Justplayingitcool - coffee icecream
10. Long Con - cherry iceream
11. MacDougall - blue heaven icecream
12. Master Radishes - moon mist icecream
13. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - raspberry icecream mixed with vanilla
14. nutella - pistachio icecream
15. Oddmerta - neapolitan icecream
16. Poison Chan - bubblegum icecream (teal and pink colored)
17. Samusamu - vanilla icecream with white chocolate chunks
18. sprityo - blue moon icecream
19. staypositivefriend - starwberry icecream with strawberry syrup
20. tedxtr - coconut milk icecream
21. Timsup2nothin - mango icecream with pineapple syrup
22. tutuu - tutti frutti icecream

people that i can see being wolves:

2. ColinIsCool
4. dyachei
5. Dyslexicon
6. juliets
8. Herm
10. Long Con
14. nutella
17. Samusamu
19. staypositivefriend
21. Timsup2nothin

in the sense that i dont (want to) proactively scumread these people. i dont wanna case them or justify my scumreads on them (if possible)

everyone is like a mixed bag, everyone has towny stuff going for them, but like

i just dont find the "thing" that i find in other ppl that make me go like "no way this person is town"

if i were to rank these from most towny (for me) to least towny (for me) it would be:

(excluding long con)
21. Timsup2nothin
4. dyachei
5. Dyslexicon
2. ColinIsCool
8. Herm
6. juliets
17. Samusamu
19. staypositivefriend + 14. nutella (same tier)

again if possible please dont ask me to justify these, i am acknowledging that everyone has towny stuff going for them, this is just my subjective interpretation on the ppl who have towntold the least in my perception

my ideal wagons are spf vs nutella vs juliets but its fine if u guys dont wanna wagon spf d1 i dont wanna insist

cant we like just vig JPIC or something (i still think he's town) instead of wasting a day of wagoning him idk

surely town has KP in a 22 player game so

jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town

spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

[VOTE: nutella-chan] aubergine

tutuu I can probably go more in-depth with mindset analysis if that wasn't enough, let me know and I can elaborate

I think jpic is town too i asked u to towncase him for others not for me

[VOTE: timsup2nothing] aubergine

like. we should have more than 1 wagon

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine someone else push for a cw if u want

oddomerta actually kinda dropped off he was ridiculously obv town for me early d1 but yeah he kinda like what ... its like he got stunned or somethign. wouldnt bet the game on him being town anymore

Drwilgy mafia
Sprityo mafia

Every time Tutuu has made a an alignment claim about someone but with context (13)

Spoiler: show

First dumbass read of the game (trust me there are plenty more coming)

I think MacDougall is town because he is acting like he doesnt care (can i slank plz) and yet he voted "Yes" on the poll if he read the rules and I wanna believe that he read them cuz otherwise wouldnt it have been funnier to vote "No"

@Hally what do tou think of a world where timsup2nothing amd staypositivefriend are wolves and are using you as a cover of sorts?

Town

Oddmerta so ridiculously innocent and town too lol. It just feels so wonderful to play a game of decepion with ppl who just bleed purity and honesty

i wanted to distance from my scum buddy JPIC by starting a wagon on them, but as soon as mac dougall joined me i swiftly changed my vote to fallen prince to avoid putting too much pressure on my buddy

but its too late, i am now cornered into hard bussing JPIC. my only saving grace is to make this WIFOM post and pretend im being sarcastic when i am in fact telling the truth about whats going on!

i wish to townread tim for voting oddmerta who i think is obv town and multiple ppl agree is obv town

also i realize im spreading myself so thin that chances are (as usual) ive townread a bunch of wolves so at the end it doesnt matter. i shouldnt feel down about it. mafia is just to have fun

multiple people agree oddmerta is obvious town

Hello everyone, how do I change my avatar on this site?

macdougall believes hes obv town for posting this itt and not in wolf chat

timsup2nothing first post was trying to set the conditions for everyone else's reads and there was the whole "outed scum" bit in day 0 that looked like double bluffing to me

spf townreads him for the detailed / effort put in this read, despite it being impossible to figure out what he meant

Mac claims to be a master of "first post reads." His first post is crafted specifically to meet his own first post townie standards and therefore is probably just NAI.

Tim is lock town because he said "claims" instead of "is". Not pandering to me when he very easily could = lock town. Tim, you have been elevated. You are now Simeon, the Incredible Talking Half Banana Half Orangutan. Your job is to try not to get night killed or misyeeted while I townshield you and drag you to endgame somehow.

Are you sure you locktown this guy? Might be a bit early for that

i level 1 townread him cuz it just felt like a townie trying to be helpful idk

alison also town locked him dunno the reasons

not to sound like a broken record and by no means i insist ppl to listen to my reads cuz they dont tend to be that good but

pretty confident on ted being town here. apart from the stuff ive said already, like, look at his change of emotions, look at how he's acting now, trying to work together and stuff. like.

regardless he's pretty town

im posting this cuz paranoid u guys will cfd him or something and then i'd regret not defending him

ill put it on my to-do list to towncase him later if he's still being scumread i guess

im not scumeading any of the active posters. makes me feel weird like what am i supposed to think, that all scum are literally afk or we are misclearing ppl but if so who

mafia hard

tbh like .. yeah. mafia hard. i have no expectations im gonna win. and i shouldnt. mafia is just to socialize with friends thats all

i know that these are subjective/gut reads, but how did i end up at the bottom of your tier with nutella? are there any specific reasons?

i am not perceiving any towntells coming from you (which if ur town is not necessarily ur fault!)

I think you're probably just missing a decent amount of context on ted and assume you didn't read the chunk of the thread where he towncleared himself. I had been leaning scum on him earlier and your reasons are just outdated

I've read every post you're referring to. He didn't townclear himself. You are making this up. Also you were just part of a town team that lost to scum Tedxtr so to be this complacent about his slot is another point against you. You'd be paranoid as fuck about him if you were town.

Don't think ted is cleared but I have him as town. I was part of that team too.

I have yet to have anyone reasonably explain why Ted was being scummy on purpose then got upset for being called scum. Don't even think Ted himself has attempted to explain it. So until then I'm really not rating any Ted townreads.

he lied about playing scummy on purpose, he said that he did because he wanted to look smart

flip this: can you explain why he, as scum, faked himself being upset when he has no apparent logical reason to

scum do fake being upset for townreads sure, but dont scum like being logical to make sure they do indeed receive the townread

What makes you think they have opposite alignments?

this wasnt implied by my post this is ur own thought not mine

i think jpic town and spf scum that all

Okay sure but why is SPF scum

cuz im paranoid of spf's scum game and i dont see her being obv town and i dont find myself nodding along as im reading her posts as i did in her 2 champs games and from my perception shes making simple reads and simple posts and idk maybe im expecting the impossible and im unfair but i think she mafia and kills ppl at night

I think i just said it, i cant see mac scumbuddy with the rest of my poe, so or he is deepwolf, really early to contemplate, or he is rogue, for me is simple to analize, but still antitown. Dont see plus inconvenient pointing that.

If i were mafia i would never do a post like that, the way for a rogue to win is balancing forces between town and mafia, being read as a town and lynching mafia by day and killing towns at night the first few days.

I wouldn't be interested in pointing out a rogue reading, I'd rather leave him alone and let him take care of killing the strongest towns. But I try to go as an avocado.

Are u being that reactive cause did I specifically mention the word rogue or because of what you said in your post #803?

Okay fine Samu is town, Mac is right.

Pero respondeme!!!!

Me pone de los nervios cuando me hacen eso

Ups...

But answer me!!!

It gets on my nerves when someone do that to me

Okay fine Samu is town, Alison is right.

This post gets it's own spoiler because we're gonna talk about it

Spoiler: show

reads i am not wrong about

ALISON is playing her hearts out. she is coming from a game in which she felt as if tho part of the reason she lost was cuz she had no time to spent posting itt, so note how much effort she is putting in thread camping 24/7. she wants to make up for it and prove herself, and disregarding that just read her posts

sprityo please consider I have considered and this is just an appeal to emotion. I get playing your heart out, we all want to win. But that doesn't make someone town

MACDOUGALL is not as consistently obvtown as alison, looks like he is more turbulent, but his nitro speed rush thing on day was enough to lock town and never reevaluate Playing fast and loose is enough to be town? just saying something and sticking to your guns is 90% of your criteria for being town?

TEDXTR did a metamorphosis itt, please note how he got upset at my lashing at him, and how when he later returned he changed his modus operandi and became much mellower and try to calmly be diplomatic with ppl as opposed to earlier when he was messing around. i also believe he lied about playing scummy on purpose, my read is that he just said it cuz he wanted to look sophisticated or something, dunno
Not an awful read. you can shorten it to "He was acting out, but changed it after receiving negative attention. I think he was being scummy on purpose but I dont know why."

Why do you townread ted, tutuu?

towny hypocrisy in posting that cringe gif at me for scumreading him, as if it was a gotcha moment

"haha tutuu u called me ridiculous for scumreading u, but look at u, YOU SCUMREAD ME URSELF, HAHA!" *cringe gif*

completely unabashed, unashamed, disregarding how he comes off as, as if he forgot he literally said he purposely played scummy

when i feel this kind of emotion towards a player they're usually town

this too, please read in context the posts above and see for urself

im messaging this specifically for the ppl who r voting ted, cuz i think they're wrong and i wanna try to help. namely @Hally and @Timsup2nothin

No comment here, this is a matter of perspective and opinion. It might be important if ted or tutuu is mafia though.

ODDMERTA havent been paying attention to him lately but early d1 was enough. honestly actually kinda forgot but i just remember he was blatantly obvious town. if it matters id need to reread my own iso to bring up the arguments"Town because early posts, but now i forget."

reads i could be wrong about

DRWILGY uh i think i thought cuz he went against the grain and scumread me when i was obvious town to everyone. also had a bunch of towny / idiosyncratic stuff, i can think of only 1 top of my head, the thing with "tutuu why arent u engaging with me on our different reads on mac" and after some back n forth he said "but i never explained my mac read lmao" like dunno if this is a mess of words but he like paid attentino / hold his hearts to his chest / was aware of that and thought it was like a "gotcha" moment to catch me scum or something? I can agree with the observation and input about wilgy. But I don't see why he would be lower than some of the above people.

HALLY cuz of how much we mindmelded, and in general their tone and energy and everything. a bunch of ppl and me were paranoid they were wolfing in her sf game cuz of how much tehy wanted to sheep and be a "Support" instead of a "Carry" but we learned thats just what they like to do as town If you call mindmelding sheeping eachother than sure. other than that it is just "i like how this person talks" but not about game related stuff. the issue of Hally just wanting to sheep entirely is a good point though.

JPIC because of how little he cares and how much he continually wolfclaims and actively trolls for entertainment BUT thats not the only thing he's doing. he isn't a 1-trick pony that gets stale, you CAN see a few reads and thoughts here and there, he is reading and considering the game, while masking it behind the trolling and "idgafuckness" like something something ppl who pretend to care about the game less than they do - towntell
If anything this makes me like JPIC less if I was going to base my opinion of him off this reasoning. personal preference again, but this looks more negative than positive.

MASTER RADISHES im just sheeping my towncore. cant put him any higher than this @Alison at the end of the day i cant in good faith trust my towncore enough to put their townreads in my top town tier over my own (in the sense of not that i dont trust u (towncore) that u arent town, just trust on the read accuracy) This just confused me entirely. something about sheeping. so no real opinion or evidence is given.

NANOOK i thought derpcleared himself town for thinking there are only 4 mafia and not 5 why

POISON-TAN i think is a terrible liar and would not pocket ppl left and right as mafia. she is just so honest and genuine and its easy to see imo from my one game with poison i kind of get that feeling from her but I can't just accept something I havent experienced more than once.

reads i could very well be wrong about, these r just my feelings

SPRITYO i leaned town cuz of his anti-consensus push on alison, usually a towntell to scumcase and vote the consensus towncore like that. some other ppl said some things and stuff about him being town, i didnt rly pay attention to what they said, i just noted they townread them (so its a plus that other ppl found him town too i mean) I'm being townread kind of for being different and making a big post. You really shouldn't trust just off that unless you agree with me. or think my points are valid and misguided. something along those lines.

TIMSUP2NOTHING i townread him for his anti-consensus push on omerta, now that im seeing his push on tedxtr i kinda like want him to stop pushing my townreads tho cuz it gives me a cold feet. and like ... idk, i think he's hard to read this game This is a weird read. just engage tim on the subject.

COLIN i leaned town cuz of ... actualyl literally inexplainableyea

DYACHEI gut townread also liteally inexplaianble mhm

DIZZYgut townread cuz how he doesnt care how he comes off as, and he played similar slanky/sheepy as town before, but i guess if he were to roll scum why not copy it? dunno This is a correct statement of what could be happening.

my poe of 6 ppl (cuz 5 mafia and 1 sk)

JULIETS
NUTELLA
STAYPOSITIVEFRIEND
HERM
SAMUSAMU
LONG CON

pls dont ask to justify my scumreads tsk tsk tsk

my brain doesnt work on the process of "i put X as my scumread cuz i found that this thing they've done to be scummy"

my brain works on the process off "everyone starts at ground level, and i try to townhunt and elevate ppl up, and those ppl i dont find anything to elevate up on, i just leave at the bottom" This is totally a fine way to work at things but leaving yourself little notes or at the least posts here and there will help you collect your thoughts. You'll eventually look scatterbrained and might draw the wrong attention. Or you do it in the hopes that post volume will drown out someone wanting to ISO your posts, etc.

So what have I learned having read through Tutuu's ISO:

-35/220 posts are game relevant. 13 of them offer content we can use to cross reference people. and roughly 180 of them are non game relevant/fluff posts.
-Take those statistics as you will, but my concern is in the previous large post I just commented on. I didn't agree with most of the reads, or at the least how they were justified. A mafia player will tread lightly and keep people satisfied.
-I'm not into the whole silly and ditzy deal. Sure you can do it, as long as we're not swamping the thread with things that will make it harder to catch up and understand the thread. Everyone hates catch up (Down with Ketchup!) so as mafia you don't necessarily have to worry about staying on topic most the time.
-My biggest pet peeve about Tutuu is the 24 claims with no backing, at least that's how they appeared in the ISO. some may have supporting posts before them just not quoted. but it appears that these are all gut reads/emotional reads and that the reads list posted will tell us nothing in the case of tutuu flipping, or if someone flips mafia and we need to cross examine.
-Last but not least I'm wondering about the sudden bringing up of a CounterWagon. I will go over this in my next post. This will be more of a reason why I believe tutuu to be mafia, but for this half:

TL;DR: Tutuu is mafia for fluffing around most the game, sheeping a majority of reads and not providing a considerable impact to the game. Instead choosing to be around and look like they are playing and effecting the game.

Tutuu lock town for this.

yea

[MacDougall]

Bloc 1

Alison
Colin
Dyachei
Juliets
Long Con
Tim
Master Radishes

Bloc 2

Hally
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Oddmerta
Samu
Herm
Sprityo

Bloc 3

SPF
Mac
Tedxtr
Tutuu
JPIC
Nook
Poison Chan

That Dyslexicon read is possibly a smoking gun. He'd pushed Oddmerta already by this point yet chose Dyslexicon as scummiest. Hadn't talked about Dyslexicon either.

[MacDougall]

just iso'd spirit and he had zero direct interactions with nutella, lol. i also could not find a single post where nutella mentioned spirit's name

Spoiler: show

my ideal wagons are spf vs nutella vs juliets but its fine if u guys dont wanna wagon spf d1 i dont wanna insist

cant we like just vig JPIC or something (i still think he's town) instead of wasting a day of wagoning him idk

surely town has KP in a 22 player game so

u guys should know that spf is amazing as wolf. she is amazing as town too as proven by her champs games but on em she has like a 54% winrate as mafia last time i checked (which at least imo is huge, i have like 25% winrate as mafia, its rly hard to wolf in those setups) and i remember skimming a few of her games once and like, her tone, her emotions, everything, its all there. like if she is a wolf she wouldnt just roll over and die, just saying!

i think not wagoning JPC for 1 day to see if he gets vigged or poisoned or dayvigged has merits but dont wanna insist any more

at least nutella and spf and whoever else are gonna defend themselves and hvae reactions and talk and stuff

while JPIC wont talk, so using our yeet on him is like as if ... like u know ... waste opportuntity to make reads / day play, and ujst convert the yeet into a mechnical vig

People say I have done scummy stuff when this is literally what I do as town

can you do something more?

can u empathize with other ppl who find it frustrating how much effort they're putting, while u dont put as much effort and u expect for ppl to correctly townread u?

I am very empathetic to the town cause. I’ve just been trying to have fun

and you made me laugh a lot and i appreciate it

but like multiple ppl have expressed that its not fun anymore, its like u repeat a joke for the 100th time and its not as funny as when u said it on the first time u know?

can u please try making a few reads?

what do u think about nutella and spf?

Your opener wasn't NAI by my standards. It felt performative.

I was going to make that post regardless of alignment

what are your reads on nutella and spf

jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town

spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

I have seen nothing from SPF recently that leaves me concerned. Why are you reading SPF as scum?

if i had a dayvig and i shot jpic rn and he flipped town would u still not scumread spf

well that was a while ago i decided to call u scum now cuz idk. i think jpic is town and u want my silly friend jpic dead and he town so maybe u mafia or somehging

[VOTE: timsup2nothing] aubergine

like. we should have more than 1 wagon

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine someone else push for a cw if u want

Nut-chan can u leave a legacy readslist on all players no need for explanations just rank their nanes

So this whole interaction Tutuu has with JPIC, Nutella, and SPF really rubs me the wrong way.

Why is JPIC suddenly not mafia and suddenly town? He wasn't ever in trouble of getting lynched either as far as i can tell. then we have the transition of them trying to make Tim a counter wagon????
1. I dont think that wouldve ever happened.
2. Why suddenly do we need a counter wagon?

There has to be something alignment indicative within these posts. The way I see it is:

-JPIC is Town and trying to be pocketed by Tutuu for whatever reason
-SPF is Town or Mafia and just happens to be the target for that switch
-Nutella is Mafia with Tutuu and she does a halfhearted Counterwagon but doesnt want to try and get all of the people off of the huge wagon now formed. If it failed it would of course look bad. So she resign to "you should totally legacy read, sucks to be you"
-Nutella is Town and Tutuu is Mafia. Tutuu of course knows this and is trying to buy credit with the counter wagon attempt. "Aw man, I knew she was town" type of situation.

I dont think the last one is likely but I won't discount it.

this post would be notable if spirit actually took a stance on any of the possibilities instead of shrugging his shoulders

that's the exact reason mac claimed wilgy is super town. huh

Him being so acutely aware that I had a town read on Wilgy possibly means it was spoken about in scum chat. Points against Wilgy.

[Alison]

Meh

Probably is, I think there’s some wiggle room but like

I’m not fighting it obviously, I don’t see it as necessarily as cut and dry but it’s probably mafia so meh

what is "wiggle room" and what is it other than cut and dry

like, you've alluded to the possibility of there being some shenanigans happening that might make JPIC not the capper, do you have any concrete suspicions with respect to this?

[staypositivefriend]

also fwiw, i dont townread tim even though the consensus on him seems to be changing a lot. my theory was that timscum saw that the town was forming an incredibly strong POE, and his primary intent today was to break up & instigate paranoia into the POE at all costs. i do feel like tim's game today has been moreso focused on optics than gamesolving, and that concerns me. i do not have a hard time seeing tim being scum

tim trending down again with the revelation that there's a decent chance scumteam selected oddmerta as their designated misexe anyway, since he did a lot to push oddmerta

good point. if the "sprit was angling for oddmerta to be a mischop" theory is true, then that does reflect pretty badly on tim for (iirc) being one of the primary people casting paranoia onto oddmerta

[Hally]

The nature of my postcap being that it hit me with 50% means that there is an outside chance that it is a role that cumulatively destroys my ability to post. I am concerned that I may have another 50% tomorrow and so on. If that is the case then I would say that it is certainly not a town role. It would be a strange 3p role and much more likely a mafia role. In fact post capping in general is a strange 3p ability. Halving the top town poster's ability to post on night 1 is also just incredibly unlikely to ever be a town move.

Nanook, when you targeted me I presume that you didn't get an extra vote? Do you get notified of whether you get an extra vote? Apologies if you've already said this I can't remember if you have or not.

Nanook from your perspective JPIC is outed mafia now yes? JPIC you believe Nanook is outed mafia too right?

Naw I didn’t, it has to be a successful NK I think

Ehhhh...idk, maybe he is. He still seemed townie to me ignoring mech but then again he claimed cop while no other investigative seems to be able to openly claim so

how is it a maybe

if you aren’t the post capper he is the only one it could be so he should be outed maf from your pov unless you’re the post capper

Meh

Probably is, I think there’s some wiggle room but like

I’m not fighting it obviously, I don’t see it as necessarily as cut and dry but it’s probably mafia so meh

what wiggle room

mac has said he was post capped

you and jpic were the only two besides sprit to target him n1

so if you know it wasn’t you it has to be jpic

why is that not cut and dry from your pov

[Timsup2nothin]

I’ve got about 10 pages to catch up on rn, but the question of

“Who is Oddmerta?” Came into my mind

Definitely wanted to try to push Oddmerta.

FWIW even as much as I wanted to chop Oddmerta I'm pretty sold here.

[MacDougall]

If this is tutu’s scum game I’m super impressed tbh

It’s also hilarious

You shouldn't be - as sprityo pointed out, 35 posts out of 25000000 are the actual game solving posts and the reads look pretty bad.

not gonna go over her today, obviously.

Thank you Ted

This is way too blatant to be team indicative. If you're mafia and your teammate mentions you like this pointing at it like this is not the move.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The nature of my postcap being that it hit me with 50% means that there is an outside chance that it is a role that cumulatively destroys my ability to post. I am concerned that I may have another 50% tomorrow and so on. If that is the case then I would say that it is certainly not a town role. It would be a strange 3p role and much more likely a mafia role. In fact post capping in general is a strange 3p ability. Halving the top town poster's ability to post on night 1 is also just incredibly unlikely to ever be a town move.

Nanook, when you targeted me I presume that you didn't get an extra vote? Do you get notified of whether you get an extra vote? Apologies if you've already said this I can't remember if you have or not.

Nanook from your perspective JPIC is outed mafia now yes? JPIC you believe Nanook is outed mafia too right?

Naw I didn’t, it has to be a successful NK I think

Ehhhh...idk, maybe he is. He still seemed townie to me ignoring mech but then again he claimed cop while no other investigative seems to be able to openly claim so

if you didn't postcap mac, and jpic is town, who did?

how does this read on jpic make sense

Idk maybe JPIC can’t claim that part

Or there’s something else fucky going on

Idk I’m not arguing it I just don’t see it as being as black and white, it probably is and I’m wrong but it doesn’t matter cause I’m not charge

[Hally]

Bloc 1

Alison
Colin
Dyachei
Juliets
Long Con
Tim
Master Radishes

Bloc 2

Hally
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Oddmerta
Samu
Herm
Sprityo

Bloc 3

SPF
Mac
Tedxtr
Tutuu
JPIC
Nook
Poison Chan

That Dyslexicon read is possibly a smoking gun. He'd pushed Oddmerta already by this point yet chose Dyslexicon as scummiest. Hadn't talked about Dyslexicon either.

as in dizzy more likely scum ?

[staypositivefriend]

The nature of my postcap being that it hit me with 50% means that there is an outside chance that it is a role that cumulatively destroys my ability to post. I am concerned that I may have another 50% tomorrow and so on. If that is the case then I would say that it is certainly not a town role. It would be a strange 3p role and much more likely a mafia role. In fact post capping in general is a strange 3p ability. Halving the top town poster's ability to post on night 1 is also just incredibly unlikely to ever be a town move.

Nanook, when you targeted me I presume that you didn't get an extra vote? Do you get notified of whether you get an extra vote? Apologies if you've already said this I can't remember if you have or not.

Nanook from your perspective JPIC is outed mafia now yes? JPIC you believe Nanook is outed mafia too right?

Naw I didn’t, it has to be a successful NK I think

Ehhhh...idk, maybe he is. He still seemed townie to me ignoring mech but then again he claimed cop while no other investigative seems to be able to openly claim so

if you didn't postcap mac, and jpic is town, who did?

how does this read on jpic make sense

Idk maybe JPIC can’t claim that part

Or there’s something else fucky going on

Idk I’m not arguing it I just don’t see it as being as black and white, it probably is and I’m wrong but it doesn’t matter cause I’m not charge

you've continually alluded to the idea that "something fucky" is going on, but do you have any ideas of what that might be? do u think hally is maf?

[Hally]

just iso'd spirit and he had zero direct interactions with nutella, lol. i also could not find a single post where nutella mentioned spirit's name

Spoiler: show

my ideal wagons are spf vs nutella vs juliets but its fine if u guys dont wanna wagon spf d1 i dont wanna insist

cant we like just vig JPIC or something (i still think he's town) instead of wasting a day of wagoning him idk

surely town has KP in a 22 player game so

u guys should know that spf is amazing as wolf. she is amazing as town too as proven by her champs games but on em she has like a 54% winrate as mafia last time i checked (which at least imo is huge, i have like 25% winrate as mafia, its rly hard to wolf in those setups) and i remember skimming a few of her games once and like, her tone, her emotions, everything, its all there. like if she is a wolf she wouldnt just roll over and die, just saying!

i think not wagoning JPC for 1 day to see if he gets vigged or poisoned or dayvigged has merits but dont wanna insist any more

at least nutella and spf and whoever else are gonna defend themselves and hvae reactions and talk and stuff

while JPIC wont talk, so using our yeet on him is like as if ... like u know ... waste opportuntity to make reads / day play, and ujst convert the yeet into a mechnical vig

can you do something more?

can u empathize with other ppl who find it frustrating how much effort they're putting, while u dont put as much effort and u expect for ppl to correctly townread u?

I am very empathetic to the town cause. I’ve just been trying to have fun

and you made me laugh a lot and i appreciate it

but like multiple ppl have expressed that its not fun anymore, its like u repeat a joke for the 100th time and its not as funny as when u said it on the first time u know?

can u please try making a few reads?

what do u think about nutella and spf?

Your opener wasn't NAI by my standards. It felt performative.

I was going to make that post regardless of alignment

what are your reads on nutella and spf

jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town

spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

I have seen nothing from SPF recently that leaves me concerned. Why are you reading SPF as scum?

if i had a dayvig and i shot jpic rn and he flipped town would u still not scumread spf

well that was a while ago i decided to call u scum now cuz idk. i think jpic is town and u want my silly friend jpic dead and he town so maybe u mafia or somehging

[VOTE: timsup2nothing] aubergine

like. we should have more than 1 wagon

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine someone else push for a cw if u want

Nut-chan can u leave a legacy readslist on all players no need for explanations just rank their nanes

So this whole interaction Tutuu has with JPIC, Nutella, and SPF really rubs me the wrong way.

Why is JPIC suddenly not mafia and suddenly town? He wasn't ever in trouble of getting lynched either as far as i can tell. then we have the transition of them trying to make Tim a counter wagon????
1. I dont think that wouldve ever happened.
2. Why suddenly do we need a counter wagon?

There has to be something alignment indicative within these posts. The way I see it is:

-JPIC is Town and trying to be pocketed by Tutuu for whatever reason
-SPF is Town or Mafia and just happens to be the target for that switch
-Nutella is Mafia with Tutuu and she does a halfhearted Counterwagon but doesnt want to try and get all of the people off of the huge wagon now formed. If it failed it would of course look bad. So she resign to "you should totally legacy read, sucks to be you"
-Nutella is Town and Tutuu is Mafia. Tutuu of course knows this and is trying to buy credit with the counter wagon attempt. "Aw man, I knew she was town" type of situation.

I dont think the last one is likely but I won't discount it.

this post would be notable if spirit actually took a stance on any of the possibilities instead of shrugging his shoulders

that's the exact reason mac claimed wilgy is super town. huh

Him being so acutely aware that I had a town read on Wilgy possibly means it was spoken about in scum chat. Points against Wilgy.

wilgy town? or wilgy scum?

[MacDougall]

I have come out of this ISO suspicious on Dyslexicon and DrWilgy. Especially Dyslexicon. The read was made with no prior mentioning of Dyslexicon and no follow up attempts to push onto Dyslexicon. He was actively pushing town and never tried to push Dyslexicon.

[Alison]

If this is tutu’s scum game I’m super impressed tbh

It’s also hilarious

You shouldn't be - as sprityo pointed out, 35 posts out of 25000000 are the actual game solving posts and the reads look pretty bad.

not gonna go over her today, obviously.

Thank you Ted

This is way too blatant to be team indicative. If you're mafia and your teammate mentions you like this pointing at it like this is not the move.

there was another post where I was yelling at sprit for not claiming and ted came in and sarcastically said something like "oh yeah sure just claim all you want I'm sure there's no soup kill" and sprit went

and I think in conjunction with this, and the nutella interactions, we can put ted as a solid townread

[MacDougall]

just iso'd spirit and he had zero direct interactions with nutella, lol. i also could not find a single post where nutella mentioned spirit's name

Spoiler: show

my ideal wagons are spf vs nutella vs juliets but its fine if u guys dont wanna wagon spf d1 i dont wanna insist

cant we like just vig JPIC or something (i still think he's town) instead of wasting a day of wagoning him idk

surely town has KP in a 22 player game so

u guys should know that spf is amazing as wolf. she is amazing as town too as proven by her champs games but on em she has like a 54% winrate as mafia last time i checked (which at least imo is huge, i have like 25% winrate as mafia, its rly hard to wolf in those setups) and i remember skimming a few of her games once and like, her tone, her emotions, everything, its all there. like if she is a wolf she wouldnt just roll over and die, just saying!

i think not wagoning JPC for 1 day to see if he gets vigged or poisoned or dayvigged has merits but dont wanna insist any more

at least nutella and spf and whoever else are gonna defend themselves and hvae reactions and talk and stuff

while JPIC wont talk, so using our yeet on him is like as if ... like u know ... waste opportuntity to make reads / day play, and ujst convert the yeet into a mechnical vig

I am very empathetic to the town cause. I’ve just been trying to have fun

and you made me laugh a lot and i appreciate it

but like multiple ppl have expressed that its not fun anymore, its like u repeat a joke for the 100th time and its not as funny as when u said it on the first time u know?

can u please try making a few reads?

what do u think about nutella and spf?

I was going to make that post regardless of alignment

what are your reads on nutella and spf

jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town

spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

I have seen nothing from SPF recently that leaves me concerned. Why are you reading SPF as scum?

if i had a dayvig and i shot jpic rn and he flipped town would u still not scumread spf

well that was a while ago i decided to call u scum now cuz idk. i think jpic is town and u want my silly friend jpic dead and he town so maybe u mafia or somehging

[VOTE: timsup2nothing] aubergine

like. we should have more than 1 wagon

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine someone else push for a cw if u want

Nut-chan can u leave a legacy readslist on all players no need for explanations just rank their nanes

So this whole interaction Tutuu has with JPIC, Nutella, and SPF really rubs me the wrong way.

Why is JPIC suddenly not mafia and suddenly town? He wasn't ever in trouble of getting lynched either as far as i can tell. then we have the transition of them trying to make Tim a counter wagon????
1. I dont think that wouldve ever happened.
2. Why suddenly do we need a counter wagon?

There has to be something alignment indicative within these posts. The way I see it is:

-JPIC is Town and trying to be pocketed by Tutuu for whatever reason
-SPF is Town or Mafia and just happens to be the target for that switch
-Nutella is Mafia with Tutuu and she does a halfhearted Counterwagon but doesnt want to try and get all of the people off of the huge wagon now formed. If it failed it would of course look bad. So she resign to "you should totally legacy read, sucks to be you"
-Nutella is Town and Tutuu is Mafia. Tutuu of course knows this and is trying to buy credit with the counter wagon attempt. "Aw man, I knew she was town" type of situation.

I dont think the last one is likely but I won't discount it.

this post would be notable if spirit actually took a stance on any of the possibilities instead of shrugging his shoulders

that's the exact reason mac claimed wilgy is super town. huh

Him being so acutely aware that I had a town read on Wilgy possibly means it was spoken about in scum chat. Points against Wilgy.

wilgy town? or wilgy scum?

Scum. If I am townreading one of them in the middle of destroying their team it stands to reason it would be very obvious to them.

[Alison]

I have come out of this ISO suspicious on Dyslexicon and DrWilgy. Especially Dyslexicon. The read was made with no prior mentioning of Dyslexicon and no follow up attempts to push onto Dyslexicon. He was actively pushing town and never tried to push Dyslexicon.

wilgy and dizzy are in my poe and so far following the obvious poe has produced good results so......

yeah sure, let's do it

[Timsup2nothin]

also fwiw, i dont townread tim even though the consensus on him seems to be changing a lot. my theory was that timscum saw that the town was forming an incredibly strong POE, and his primary intent today was to break up & instigate paranoia into the POE at all costs. i do feel like tim's game today has been moreso focused on optics than gamesolving, and that concerns me. i do not have a hard time seeing tim being scum

tim trending down again with the revelation that there's a decent chance scumteam selected oddmerta as their designated misexe anyway, since he did a lot to push oddmerta

good point. if the "sprit was angling for oddmerta to be a mischop" theory is true, then that does reflect pretty badly on tim for (iirc) being one of the primary people casting paranoia onto oddmerta

LOL...I wasn't "casting paranoia" I was actively and violently calling for his head.

[Hally]

I have come out of this ISO suspicious on Dyslexicon and DrWilgy. Especially Dyslexicon. The read was made with no prior mentioning of Dyslexicon and no follow up attempts to push onto Dyslexicon. He was actively pushing town and never tried to push Dyslexicon.

but didn’t you say wilgy looked good off nut

[staypositivefriend]

Some quick 1-2 word thouhts about the players (no elaboration, just straight vibes):

MacDougall - Super Town
Allison - Super Town

Samusamu - Probably Town
Tutuu - Probably Town
Hally - Probably Town
Dyslexicon - Probably Town

Coliniscool - Probably Town/or smart Scum
DrWilgy - Probably Town/or smart Scum

Master Radishes - Powerwolf/Calm Town/Rogue all rolled into one neat sausage roll
Timsup2nothin - Probably up to no good

Oddmerta - I dunno
Tedxtr - I dunno
Staypostivefriend - Hard to get a read
Justplayingitcool - Hard to get a read

Dyachei - Suspicious forn the sole reason they're not voting for anyone atm
Juliets - Suspicious forn the sole reason they're not voting for anyone atm
Poison Chan - Suspicious forn the sole reason they're not voting for anyone atm

Long Con - Scum playing the long con

Sprityo - Probably scum as well
Nanook - Definitely scum
Nutella - Probably a wolf or some kind of scum

Most Town Player
Most Scummy

Bloc 1

Alison
Colin
Dyachei
Juliets
Long Con
Tim
Master Radishes

Bloc 2

Hally
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Oddmerta
Samu
Herm
Sprityo

Bloc 3

SPF
Mac
Tedxtr
Tutuu
JPIC
Nook
Poison Chan

very weird that herm puts sprit at the bottom of his scum-list in his list of reads and then puts drwilgy as scummier than sprit when he's doing mac's exercise

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The nature of my postcap being that it hit me with 50% means that there is an outside chance that it is a role that cumulatively destroys my ability to post. I am concerned that I may have another 50% tomorrow and so on. If that is the case then I would say that it is certainly not a town role. It would be a strange 3p role and much more likely a mafia role. In fact post capping in general is a strange 3p ability. Halving the top town poster's ability to post on night 1 is also just incredibly unlikely to ever be a town move.

Nanook, when you targeted me I presume that you didn't get an extra vote? Do you get notified of whether you get an extra vote? Apologies if you've already said this I can't remember if you have or not.

Nanook from your perspective JPIC is outed mafia now yes? JPIC you believe Nanook is outed mafia too right?

Naw I didn’t, it has to be a successful NK I think

Ehhhh...idk, maybe he is. He still seemed townie to me ignoring mech but then again he claimed cop while no other investigative seems to be able to openly claim so

if you didn't postcap mac, and jpic is town, who did?

how does this read on jpic make sense

Idk maybe JPIC can’t claim that part

Or there’s something else fucky going on

Idk I’m not arguing it I just don’t see it as being as black and white, it probably is and I’m wrong but it doesn’t matter cause I’m not charge

you've continually alluded to the idea that "something fucky" is going on, but do you have any ideas of what that might be? do u think hally is maf?

No lol she outed sprit

Idk, there’s a lot of weird fucking roles in this game so far, so I’m not locking things in. I have the benefit of a) not being in charge and b) knowing I’m town

So it’s fine, do your thing

[MacDougall]

It's yet another very good spew ISO. Sprityo was actively trying to push onto town a lot here imo and spewed some people town by pocketing. There is very minor points in favour of SPF and TSP, huge points in favour of Tutuu, Alison, Oddmerta and Hally.

The post that most interests me is when he answered my "bloc" reads request. He had Juliets in as top town in one bloc and dyslexicon as top scum in another. He interacted with neither of them to any significant degree, which also means they likely didn't interact with him either.

[Alison]

also fwiw, i dont townread tim even though the consensus on him seems to be changing a lot. my theory was that timscum saw that the town was forming an incredibly strong POE, and his primary intent today was to break up & instigate paranoia into the POE at all costs. i do feel like tim's game today has been moreso focused on optics than gamesolving, and that concerns me. i do not have a hard time seeing tim being scum

tim trending down again with the revelation that there's a decent chance scumteam selected oddmerta as their designated misexe anyway, since he did a lot to push oddmerta

good point. if the "sprit was angling for oddmerta to be a mischop" theory is true, then that does reflect pretty badly on tim for (iirc) being one of the primary people casting paranoia onto oddmerta

LOL...I wasn't "casting paranoia" I was actively and violently calling for his head.

i hope you realize that this does not make you look better

[MacDougall]

I have come out of this ISO suspicious on Dyslexicon and DrWilgy. Especially Dyslexicon. The read was made with no prior mentioning of Dyslexicon and no follow up attempts to push onto Dyslexicon. He was actively pushing town and never tried to push Dyslexicon.

but didn’t you say wilgy looked good off nut

Sure and he looks scummy off this one. He also had a really bad day 2 and he fucking voted me.

[Hally]

I have come out of this ISO suspicious on Dyslexicon and DrWilgy. Especially Dyslexicon. The read was made with no prior mentioning of Dyslexicon and no follow up attempts to push onto Dyslexicon. He was actively pushing town and never tried to push Dyslexicon.

but didn’t you say wilgy looked good off nut

Sure and he looks scummy off this one. He also had a really bad day 2 and he fucking voted me.

ok just checking how you’re reconciling the two

[Alison]

It's yet another very good spew ISO. Sprityo was actively trying to push onto town a lot here imo and spewed some people town by pocketing. There is very minor points in favour of SPF and TSP, huge points in favour of Tutuu, Alison, Oddmerta and Hally.

The post that most interests me is when he answered my "bloc" reads request. He had Juliets in as top town in one bloc and dyslexicon as top scum in another. He interacted with neither of them to any significant degree, which also means they likely didn't interact with him either.

juliets was consensus townread so that part isn't surprising. I barely talked to juliets but I have her as hard towncore. dizzy thing does feel pretty wolf-indicative. would start there after jpic flips, then move onto wilgy.

worth noting that sprit's ISO confirming all the people we thought were town to be town just reinforces the idea that we should be following this townbloc/poe

[staypositivefriend]

No one wishes to follow me on Alison, so I will move to [VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

I stand by my opinion of alison still, but I have my own reasons for doing this at the moment.

[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

What's poppin playas?

Been busy with work and haven't really read anything recent. Who's town that I can sheep?

Also Mac is bad.

So you haven't read any of Mac's more recent posts from last night? Why do you think he is bad?

I haven't read anything nor do I think I'll be able to catch up before EoD. So live discussion is where I'll be hunting.

I see people o plenty on sprityo so I put them more in the lead.

Voted for Mac with my 2nd.

[Alison]

I have come out of this ISO suspicious on Dyslexicon and DrWilgy. Especially Dyslexicon. The read was made with no prior mentioning of Dyslexicon and no follow up attempts to push onto Dyslexicon. He was actively pushing town and never tried to push Dyslexicon.

but didn’t you say wilgy looked good off nut

Sure and he looks scummy off this one. He also had a really bad day 2 and he fucking voted me.

the other thing that makes wilgy look bad is that sprit voted tutuu. if we go by mac's meta read that sprit making a massive iso case on someone = wanting to misexe them when he is a wolf, then it indicates that the wolf team at some point thought they could misexe tutuu. i do not know how or why they thought this, but if they did, then wilgy looks pretty awful.

who else did wilgy scumread? oh, that's right, me. the other person that sprit made a huge ISO case on. we townread him for it, remember? because "why would scum try to misexe tutuu/alison?!"

[staypositivefriend]

I'm also coasting off of town reads. I should slank and not read the game next time I rand scum tbh, if that will ever happen again. =p

Also, I'm not really coasting. I'm just exhausted.

I want to vote Sprit, cause I don't want to be on the Nut wagon. For no reason.

We can yeet Sprit, no problem. Ok. Go.

stretches a little bit of credibility for me to believe that a player that is admittedly not reading the game somehow went 2/2 with their reads

[Alison]

I haven't read anything nor do I think I'll be able to catch up before EoD. So live discussion is where I'll be hunting.

I see people o plenty on sprityo so I put them more in the lead.

this has "oh shit my buddy is getting runaway'd again, no choice but to vote them and hope for some crumb of cred" energy

[staypositivefriend]

master radishes interactions with sprit are a good look btw

[Timsup2nothin]

also fwiw, i dont townread tim even though the consensus on him seems to be changing a lot. my theory was that timscum saw that the town was forming an incredibly strong POE, and his primary intent today was to break up & instigate paranoia into the POE at all costs. i do feel like tim's game today has been moreso focused on optics than gamesolving, and that concerns me. i do not have a hard time seeing tim being scum

tim trending down again with the revelation that there's a decent chance scumteam selected oddmerta as their designated misexe anyway, since he did a lot to push oddmerta

good point. if the "sprit was angling for oddmerta to be a mischop" theory is true, then that does reflect pretty badly on tim for (iirc) being one of the primary people casting paranoia onto oddmerta

LOL...I wasn't "casting paranoia" I was actively and violently calling for his head.

i hope you realize that this does not make you look better

I can read a room.

I'm also generally unconcerned with how I look at this point in a night phase. Men rise and fall like the winter wheat.

I am guessing that at some point the combination of Sprit trying to pocket and buddy up to Tim, especially AFTER he was on Mac's hot seat, is gonna sink in.

[Hally]

lock town (shouldn't be any in):
mac
hally
tutuu
alison
juliets
spf

town lean (maybe 1-2 here):
poison
radishes
samu
ted
colin/tony
dya
odd

upper poe (1-2 here):
tim
dizzy
lc
herm
wilgy

lower poe (always at least 1 here):
nanook
jpic

someone tell me which names i should move

[Alison]

i would like hally to weigh in on the dizzy read. i know he fooled you recently hally but your opinion is still valuable

[Alison]

lock town (shouldn't be any in):
mac
hally
tutuu
alison
juliets
spf

town lean (maybe 1-2 here):
poison
radishes
samu
ted
colin/tony
dya
odd

upper poe (1-2 here):
tim
dizzy
lc
herm
wilgy

lower poe (always at least 1 here):
nanook
jpic

someone tell me which names i should move

poison and odd to lock town, i think tsp deserves lock town off that interaction with nutella even if I don't agree with his ideas as much in his recent posts (he can be bottom lock town but still lock town ig), i would also argue for herm to townread but can understand if you're reluctant.

[Alison]

also fwiw, i dont townread tim even though the consensus on him seems to be changing a lot. my theory was that timscum saw that the town was forming an incredibly strong POE, and his primary intent today was to break up & instigate paranoia into the POE at all costs. i do feel like tim's game today has been moreso focused on optics than gamesolving, and that concerns me. i do not have a hard time seeing tim being scum

tim trending down again with the revelation that there's a decent chance scumteam selected oddmerta as their designated misexe anyway, since he did a lot to push oddmerta

good point. if the "sprit was angling for oddmerta to be a mischop" theory is true, then that does reflect pretty badly on tim for (iirc) being one of the primary people casting paranoia onto oddmerta

LOL...I wasn't "casting paranoia" I was actively and violently calling for his head.

i hope you realize that this does not make you look better

I can read a room.

I'm also generally unconcerned with how I look at this point in a night phase. Men rise and fall like the winter wheat.

I am guessing that at some point the combination of Sprit trying to pocket and buddy up to Tim, especially AFTER he was on Mac's hot seat, is gonna sink in.

when did sprit buddy up to you?

[staypositivefriend]

reading sprityo town because you like the idea of getting a second wagon going is like praising an ice cube because you like the idea of ending global warming

Ok. I just see a like-minded player who's not satisfied with a slow roll over nutella.

Sprityo isn't, iirc, in the mechanical analysis of claims. Can someone please remind me why he's a top suspect? I knew yesterday, but I partied pretty hard last night and I'm a little foggy today.

I'm going to unvote Tim and [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine in light of the warm townpraise Tim has been receiving of late.

i kind of hate this

[Alison]

I'm also coasting off of town reads. I should slank and not read the game next time I rand scum tbh, if that will ever happen again. =p

Also, I'm not really coasting. I'm just exhausted.

I want to vote Sprit, cause I don't want to be on the Nut wagon. For no reason.

We can yeet Sprit, no problem. Ok. Go.

stretches a little bit of credibility for me to believe that a player that is admittedly not reading the game somehow went 2/2 with their reads

fwiw dizzy has shown that they will just sheep obvtown if they are slanking as town, and that would produce 2/2 pelts if they did that this game

[staypositivefriend]

lock town (shouldn't be any in):
mac
hally
tutuu
alison
juliets
spf

town lean (maybe 1-2 here):
poison
radishes
samu
ted
colin/tony
dya
odd

upper poe (1-2 here):
tim
dizzy
lc
herm
wilgy

lower poe (always at least 1 here):
nanook
jpic

someone tell me which names i should move

i am struggling to townread dya and colin in particular but i otherwise agree w/this list

[Hally]

lock town (shouldn't be any in):
mac
hally
tutuu
alison
juliets
spf

town lean (maybe 1-2 here):
poison
radishes
samu
ted
colin/tony
dya
odd

upper poe (1-2 here):
tim
dizzy
lc
herm
wilgy

lower poe (always at least 1 here):
nanook
jpic

someone tell me which names i should move

poison and odd to lock town, i think tsp deserves lock town off that interaction with nutella even if I don't agree with his ideas as much in his recent posts (he can be bottom lock town but still lock town ig), i would also argue for herm to townread but can understand if you're reluctant.

i agree poison and odd should go up

im reluctant to move others up though. i wanna keep the lock town tier as solid as possible

[Alison]

what if the scumteam is sprit/dizzy/wilgy/LC/nutella and nutella gave up trying to defend herself D1 because she didnt' feel like she could carry 4 afk players with that much heat on her

[staypositivefriend]

I'm also coasting off of town reads. I should slank and not read the game next time I rand scum tbh, if that will ever happen again. =p

Also, I'm not really coasting. I'm just exhausted.

I want to vote Sprit, cause I don't want to be on the Nut wagon. For no reason.

We can yeet Sprit, no problem. Ok. Go.

stretches a little bit of credibility for me to believe that a player that is admittedly not reading the game somehow went 2/2 with their reads

fwiw dizzy has shown that they will just sheep obvtown if they are slanking as town, and that would produce 2/2 pelts if they did that this game

true, it could just be a consequence of them sheeping the towncore, but the shade thrown on sprit when the majority of the towncore was on nutella feels almost TMI-y

[staypositivefriend]

what if the scumteam is sprit/dizzy/wilgy/LC/nutella and nutella gave up trying to defend herself D1 because she didnt' feel like she could carry 4 afk players with that much heat on her

i actually was thinking about this - the fact that nutella and sprit both put up basically zero fight makes me think the scum team is demotivated. it can be dangerous to play off of assumptions like that but low energy scum is usually indicative of a a scum that's convinced theyre going to lose

[Hally]

lock town (shouldn't be any in):
mac
hally
tutuu
alison
juliets
spf

town lean (maybe 1-2 here):
poison
radishes
samu
ted
colin/tony
dya
odd

upper poe (1-2 here):
tim
dizzy
lc
herm
wilgy

lower poe (always at least 1 here):
nanook
jpic

someone tell me which names i should move

i am struggling to townread dya and colin in particular but i otherwise agree w/this list

dya just vibes town to me. ime they have a different vibe as scum. but probably not a lot going for them concretely

tsp/colin is there for nut spew that mac pointed out

[Alison]

lock town (shouldn't be any in):
mac
hally
tutuu
alison
juliets
spf

town lean (maybe 1-2 here):
poison
radishes
samu
ted
colin/tony
dya
odd

upper poe (1-2 here):
tim
dizzy
lc
herm
wilgy

lower poe (always at least 1 here):
nanook
jpic

someone tell me which names i should move

i am struggling to townread dya and colin in particular but i otherwise agree w/this list

dya had a reasonably townie tone d1, has done nothing wrong d2, good-looking interactions with nutella (can't remember if that was before or after it became clear she was going to die), and attacked nutella's roleclaim at the crucial moment where people were deciding whether or not to believe it.

colin had a really really good looking interaction with nutella, before it was clear nutella was going to die.