Bread Mafia [Game Over]

[DaughterOfOmega]

"It feels annoying that DOOM is continued to be let free to roam UTR sans SPF isoing her." - Tutuu

The perspective of this quote is also what pings me. Being annoyed that someone is being townread is not what the focus of a town member is. Typically mafia get upset or annoyed when they see other players who aren't putting in tons of effort gaining town cred that they aren't. If you are a town member, it should feel very good that people are feeling good about the lower posters in the game because it makes the game easier.

[Alison]

I went from being Made's top scum read to what seems to be the least of his scum reads. (He describes me as an "on the low" scumread, and indicates that my death would give him the least information.) I have been afk for the past 9 hours, so I know I didn't say something townie. What did [LC/Michelle/SPF/DOO/JJJ] do that pushed them past me in terms of suspicion?

[Alison]

@Made

[staypositivefriend]

it's weird that tutuu thinks i'm teamed w/DOOM while also thinking that i'm the only person here who has tried to ensure that she doesn't go UTR, but she's still just town i think

[staypositivefriend]

@alison and also anyone else -

this is a response that made gave to me when i questioned him about some inconsistent progressions:http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 85#p705585

can i get an opinion on this? the post is formatted in a way that it's tough for me to interpret anything alignment indicative from it

[tutuu]

I have went through DOOM's ISO and I have outlined all posts that I believe are scummy.

Spoiler: show

I have not played much mafia/werewolf these last few years, so excuse my lack of posting or level of play. Will try and slowly get back on the saddle though.

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I have not found much substance so far. I am back to grinding path of exile instead of sleeping or doing my college homework

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I find Made to be the most innocent

Spoiler: show

Which probably means the aren't!

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I find it weird that I have probably seen more anime than the people here combined, but I seem to be the one of the few not representing it with a pfp.

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I find it weird that I have probably seen more anime than the people here combined, but I seem to be the one of the few not representing it with a pfp.

oh, you're an anime fan? list off every anime ever made then

uwu

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both michelle and daughterofomega have given weird townreads of made that are out of tune with the rest of the thread


is that just the team lmao

Sometimes you have to realize that the evil want to fit in and gain the innocent's favor. You want to attack the people on their own, or giving takes that put themselves outside of the majority. This is something that some town do, because their ideas and thoughts are genuine, and instead of tailoring their responses to gain credit, they just say what is true to them.

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both michelle and daughterofomega have given weird townreads of made that are out of tune with the rest of the thread


is that just the team lmao

Sometimes you have to realize that the evil want to fit in and gain the innocent's favor. You want to attack the people on their own, or giving takes that put themselves outside of the majority. This is something that some town do, because their ideas and thoughts are genuine, and instead of tailoring their responses to gain credit, they just say what is true to them.

Any credit given to this slot for posting thoughts that go against the grain should be revoked because they are clearly aware it is a townie thing to do and are fishing for cred for it

I find this post very awkward. The perspective of it is what bothers me. The focus of the post is trying to limit any town cred I could potentially receive. Though this person has been around the entire thread and would know that not a single person has given me town cred for going against the grain, if this had been a topic of discussion prior, then the idea being a genuine thought from an innocent is possible. Though I've thought for a bit, since this had not been a prior read, what is a thought process that could lead someone to say this?

My short conclusion as of now is that Alison would potentially being an evil alignment, who is coming to the thread with a focus on denying innocents from achieving levels of good cred. I have sat here thinking of other focuses that would lead a town to posting this, which I haven't been able to see.

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Am I able to remove this "There are new posts, you might want to review your post before submitting"

It was stopping me from posting for a couple minutes

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The actions someone take is what I find most important in mafia, and for me Alison's focus in the game has not helped town so far. It comes off as helping herself, and putting herself into a position of power, and not genuinely looking to read the game.

Though I'd like to read more of the game as it goes.

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Spoiler: show

Why is nobody talking about LC's scumslip

I highlighted it too

So this is the first time I feel like Alison is trying to force attention toward something that is pushing a scum read onto a player, and acting as if no one else had seen it, although other commented on it, and moved on.

Why is nobody talking about LC's scumslip

I highlighted it too

looked like an obvious joke to me

don't see how that's scummy

I don't think he wrote that post in a way that was meant to be taken as a joke though. Like it's sandwiched between two relatively seriously looking reads. I think there's a pretty serious chance that he was just trying to throw out some random made up reads and picked two random names he saw skimming through the thread without realizing he picked the host.

This is again, where it feels like the agenda of Alison isn't to be genuinely solving the alignment of the players, it's trying to force a discussion of whether or not LC is mafia for their post.

tutuu's probably town

I've seen overtime so not ready to clear her yet but I did like that post

Talks about how she agrees that someone made a towny post, but makes sure to sow some seeds of doubt, leaving room for flexibility to call them evil.

like he sandwiched it in between two actual reads

Alison goes back to pushing attention toward LC, and the one post they made.

Actually tutuu ignoring me for this long is a scumtell, I change my mind on townreading her

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

I dislike the fake feeling I got from this post. It's already Alison's third mafia read of the game, and it lacks a real thought process, it feels like someone just wanting to call tutuu evil.

I'm sorry about the rand michelle

We see the fourth mafia read in a short time from Alison, and again the focus seems more about trying to sow seeds of evilness around instead of investigating alignments.

Actually tutuu ignoring me for this long is a scumtell, I change my mind on townreading her

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

I'm getting my future told to me right now, I love you Alison-chan but you are not the most interesting thing that's happening around me right now.

this is not a great response honestly

like I outed a real read on you and you brush it off with fluff

I don't think given our dynamic and history together that you would do this as town

I'm sorry about the rand michelle

the alison mindmelds go on and on and on

I don't like this. y'alls last mindmeld alison was bad?

nutella and me mindmeld regardless of our respective alignments, I don't think she even sees it as AI at this point she's just using it as a fancy "I agree"

oh, there's probably a baddie in the anime avatar association

This is a wolfy ass post

both michelle and daughterofomega have given weird townreads of made that are out of tune with the rest of the thread


is that just the team lmao

Sometimes you have to realize that the evil want to fit in and gain the innocent's favor. You want to attack the people on their own, or giving takes that put themselves outside of the majority. This is something that some town do, because their ideas and thoughts are genuine, and instead of tailoring their responses to gain credit, they just say what is true to them.

Any credit given to this slot for posting thoughts that go against the grain should be revoked because they are clearly aware it is a townie thing to do and are fishing for cred for it

I didn't want to talk in-between every quote because I became confused on where some quotes started, and where others ended!

I will just write my conclusion after going through her game again. Alison continuously gave out half-hearted evil reads, and was trying to push certain reads over and over, when the other players had already moved on from these posts. These reads don't seem to be coming from someone spending time actively thinking, and starting from a clean slate. From my perspective Alison has an agenda to try and find targets to call mafia, and less of a focus on solving.

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hi

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Hi DOOM (Can I call you DOOM? Daughter Of OMega)

DOOM, how does one read you?

I don't think me answering this question would be helpful at all.

1) I never read myself, so I'm no expert in that department.

2) Anything I say about myself could be manipulated or lied about

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I will read what I missed after my classes today, enjoy the day everyone. Carpe Diem (yes I have latin class)

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@Grogu who r u rly?

@DaughterOfOmega hi. If I read none of your content and arbitrarily lock you town for no reason would you think that's weird?

I don't find anything weird in the world of mafia, I've experienced too many things.

Whatever read you have of me won't change whatever read I make of you, so go ahead.

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I am not a fan of the style that Michelle post with.

Wondering if it's a personal difference, or the evil perspective I feel coming from it is correct.

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JaggedJay has fallen into a very scum commentary style for me. Reminds me a lot of a younger scum Lissa from MU.

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I think it's about time that I layout my innocents so far.

Staypositive
Tutuu
Made
Nutella

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JaggedJay has fallen into a very scum commentary style for me. Reminds me a lot of a younger scum Lissa from MU.

that's extremely troubling since i am like 15 years older than her

Well I was talking in terms of a scum playstyle, not anything to do with maturity or age.

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JaggedJay has fallen into a very scum commentary style for me. Reminds me a lot of a younger scum Lissa from MU.

that's extremely troubling since i am like 15 years older than her

Well I was talking in terms of a scum playstyle, not anything to do with maturity or age.

what's scum about the style of the commentary?

The scum part is in the way you are active, with not a lot of thought per post you are responding to. It's somewhat based on the quality to quantity theory of scum players. Innocents are often found to slow responses when something is making them think, or when they want to start building a read from the ground up, and spend a lot more time thinking. Which leads to the quality of their responses higher, this is a read that does need more experience of the player to be solid though.

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so in other news i was inspired to figure out who daughterofomega is and uh







interesting

Spill

I used to go by AoBenjamin in 2015-2017 on a place called 2+2.
In 2016-2018 was where most people know me from, where my name was changed to BenjiAO.
In early 2019, I was slowly transitioning my gender, and now I go by Rach or Rachel most commonly.

DaughterOfOmega is a reference to my original online tag, which was SonsOfOmega, in which I shared with my brother. It means a lot to me, and as I no longer am male, I don't maintain the Sons part anymore.

If people were wondering who I am, it's not like I was hiding it, so I find Nutella's post somewhat awkward. If you are too bring up who I am, why would you not say it? Just is annoying to bring it up in that manner, as if it's bad to be known.

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i mean i thought you were hiding it

given uh, history

but hey new beginnings etc nice to meet you

I don't mean to be rude so I hope it doesn't come off as that.

If you think someone is hiding themselves in a mafia game, you might want to respect that and not search for them, it kind of defeats the purpose if you think they are doing that.

In my past I was never someone who cared about their "private" life, so don't worry about me.

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I think Mac is okay, hasn't really done something strong enough to enter my other town reads, but I enjoy the tone and feels its outside of mafia

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I think Grogu is the mafia who will be found first. They are kind of openwolfing to an extent that I enjoy, and I won't push them personally.

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I like that I'm not having to stress over being read mafia, but it does make the game more boring.

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@tutuu I may not play DOOM, but I listen to a lot of MF DOOM, hope that is good enough

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Can't sleep, and have a 9am class

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Mac's play seems so scared of being seen as mafia, and I am wondering if he would really put this much into it as a mafia aligned player, or a PR town.

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tutu
StayPositive
Esooa
Made
Nanook

and potentially Alison are my town. I want to build up my alison read slowly, I see a bit of things that I take pause with.

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Macdougal
Michelle
Grogu
Jay
Nutella

Is my list of current suspects, I'm not sure where I'd vote at the moment, I want to see more from them all

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Macdougal
Michelle
Grogu
Jay
Nutella

Is my list of current suspects, I'm not sure where I'd vote at the moment, I want to see more from them all

i'd appreciate hearing a summary of your gripes with mac and nutella

Macdougal has this feeling of desperation when he was starting to get a little bit heat, if that makes sense. This could come from a towny perspective, although the timing felt scummy to me.

My take on nutella isn't a good one, I'd like to reread parts of the game to solidify my takes on him.

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Nut, Doom belongs to a mafia generation i played with, they're scary monsters in the most mafia-esque meaning, kind of like Jay and Mac
I expect a genuine scum play and a perfect thread manpulation from her

That's more expectations than I have for myself

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sorry for not replying Michelle, i was in therapy which uses my phone

mood

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Drama in mafia, oh what I didn't miss these last 2 years

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Drama in mafia, oh what I didn't miss these last 2 years

Tell me a story

genre?

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I dropped SPF off my towncore, added Jay

dropped Nutella from the scum list

update before dinner

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well it has slowed down!

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I find SPF's iso of me kind of funny. If you played with me in the past, you'd probably think I was lock scum in this game (I did a lot more, and would expand on the things you want me to.) I just changed to the point where I don't like to post often, or give extended explanations of my reads because it always led to me being unhappy.

I enjoy following along, reading and deciding on my votes. I know this hurts my town cred and kind of makes it harder on others trying to find me town, so I get the sus

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See, I'm glad tutuu just made this awful post about me. It helped me gain more confidence in SPF being town.

The difference between what SPF and Tutuu have said about me is key to realizing the difference between what a town sees from me, and what someone with an agenda says about my game.

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I'm pretty sure the post from Tutuu about me being scum is the worst post so far, and there have been others who have pushed me.

I haven't posted a ton, and I took a quick look through to see if I could come up with a perspective of me posting fluff and being UTR. It's not something I see being a genuine thought upon reading my ISO alone. It's more of a scum thinking I could potentially be killed, and used URT/Fluff as buzzwords for something to excuse the push onto me.

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I'm pretty sure the post from Tutuu about me being scum is the worst post so far, and there have been others who have pushed me.

I haven't posted a ton, and I took a quick look through to see if I could come up with a perspective of me posting fluff and being UTR. It's not something I see being a genuine thought upon reading my ISO alone. It's more of a scum thinking I could potentially be killed, and used URT/Fluff as buzzwords for something to excuse the push onto me.

I have made multiple posts about you being under the radar. You had me as a top townread despite that. This 180 doesn't feel real. You're mafia and you're outed. Sucks to be you, kid.

Are you purposely ignoring what I said, or?

I never said you didn't I was UTR, I said the fact you are seriously saying that just after you said you went out of your way to read my ISO is what makes you mafia. I could potentially believe someone casually playing could see me as UTR, but rereading my ISO I do not see how that perspective can be genuine. Then you added on fluff, as if this was something that could be legit, which is not in any world. So I've come to the conclusion you have to be bsing on the fluff, and potentially if not 100% lying about the UTR opinion. Lying to push someone is very common in a certain alignment, and not common in the other.

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It's in your best interest to push me Tutuu. I understand why you feel like you have to go out of your way to bring up my early town read of you as evidence of me being mafia, which is laughable, though respectable.

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[Alison]

@alison and also anyone else -

this is a response that made gave to me when i questioned him about some inconsistent progressions:http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 85#p705585

can i get an opinion on this? the post is formatted in a way that it's tough for me to interpret anything alignment indicative from it

The post above yours, questioning Made about his read on me, is my response to it. That was what stuck out the most.

Looking at it again, the other thing I'd like to ask about is why Made has been so sternly opposed to "towncore + win" and "the game is easy" narratives, and positioning himself as stopping complacent town from forming a flawed consensus, when his actual reads seem more or less in line with consensus anyway. "LC/Michelle/SPF/DOO" as top 4 POE is hardly a spicy take, so I want to know why he seems so paranoid about the towncore narrative earlier.

[tutuu]

"It feels annoying that DOOM is continued to be let free to roam UTR sans SPF isoing her." - Tutuu

The perspective of this quote is also what pings me. Being annoyed that someone is being townread is not what the focus of a town member is. Typically mafia get upset or annoyed when they see other players who aren't putting in tons of effort gaining town cred that they aren't. If you are a town member, it should feel very good that people are feeling good about the lower posters in the game because it makes the game easier.

Who are you to decide what the focus of a town member should be? Who appointed you arbiter of justice who gets to decide how Town should play?

You are clearly not a newbie player as said so by yourself. I do not feel good about veteran players being given free passes, as already stated with spf.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@alison and also anyone else -

this is a response that made gave to me when i questioned him about some inconsistent progressions:http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 85#p705585

can i get an opinion on this? the post is formatted in a way that it's tough for me to interpret anything alignment indicative from it

I don’t think the progressions he describes are “illogical”, and they do the job of filling the consistency holes you asked about. I’m not sure I draw town vibes from that though. The convoluted character of those progressions is rather complex for Day 1 sensibilities, and may reflect a player who had to think a lot harder about justifying reads than I do in this game.

I am not confident in that assertion. I understand why you’d be torn.

[Alison]

I think Grogu is the mafia who will be found first. They are kind of openwolfing to an extent that I enjoy, and I won't push them personally.

@tutuu your thoughts on this post?

Don't just say mafia post, if you think it comes from mafia, explain why

[Alison]

@alison and also anyone else -

this is a response that made gave to me when i questioned him about some inconsistent progressions:http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 85#p705585

can i get an opinion on this? the post is formatted in a way that it's tough for me to interpret anything alignment indicative from it

I don’t think the progressions he describes are “illogical”, and they do the job of filling the consistency holes you asked about. I’m not sure I draw town vibes from that though. The convoluted character of those progressions is rather complex for Day 1 sensibilities, and may reflect a player who had to think a lot harder about justifying reads than I do in this game.

I am not confident in that assertion. I understand why you’d be torn.

convoluted progressions are NAI in the absence of meta, I think.

My issues with Made are laid out and I'd like responses to them eventually, but enough of my townreads are shielding him (and there are enough palatable alternatives) that I don't see myself moving there today.

[tutuu]

I think Grogu is the mafia who will be found first. They are kind of openwolfing to an extent that I enjoy, and I won't push them personally.

@tutuu your thoughts on this post?

Don't just say mafia post, if you think it comes from mafia, explain why

I'm not in the mood to explain myself on why I think stuff. I just think them. DOOM probably not w/w with Grogu.

[Made]

Concern for/about @Made:

Current suspicions seem centralized on people who were early consensus suspects (Long Con, Michelle) — noted resistance to moving on from those reads

Other suspicions were on players in the middling area of consensus reads (JJJ, SPF, Omega) — folks that you can justify pushing without upsetting the momentum of the thread.

I am concerned that if the consensus is somewhere in the ballpark of correct, this group of suspects is almost where you must be as a mafioso.

I got to LC backwards. He went from PoE to PoE /w wagonomics then back to PoE as his wagon fully evaporated.

I also spent like full brain power pushing Alison and it made my head hurt. I’m not doing that again until other folks want to look into her too.

I push wagons I expect to be able to push off a cliff. If civvies are leading the way, momentum is where we want to go nyways

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey tutuu I know you’re annoyed and that’s okay. I’m glad you’re playing Bread Mafia with me.

[Made]

Concern for/about @Made:

Current suspicions seem centralized on people who were early consensus suspects (Long Con, Michelle) — noted resistance to moving on from those reads

Other suspicions were on players in the middling area of consensus reads (JJJ, SPF, Omega) — folks that you can justify pushing without upsetting the momentum of the thread.

I am concerned that if the consensus is somewhere in the ballpark of correct, this group of suspects is almost where you must be as a mafioso.

I got to LC backwards. He went from PoE to PoE /w wagonomics then back to PoE as his wagon fully evaporated.

I also spent like full brain power pushing Alison and it made my head hurt. I’m not doing that again until other folks want to look into her too.

I push wagons I expect to be able to push off a cliff. If civvies are leading the way, momentum is where we want to go nyways

Also, iso me and try to come to that conclusion, cuz that doesn’t seem accurate. I feel like I’ve tinfoiled everyone in thread, what do you mean I’ve gotten stuck?

[Alison]

I think Grogu is the mafia who will be found first. They are kind of openwolfing to an extent that I enjoy, and I won't push them personally.

@tutuu your thoughts on this post?

Don't just say mafia post, if you think it comes from mafia, explain why

I'm not in the mood to explain myself on why I think stuff. I just think them. DOOM probably not w/w with Grogu.

I ask because that DOOM post was what made me think "oh, this doesn't come from mafia". It comes across as nakedly honest, like the kind of thought that just sprung off the top of their head. I can't see any agenda in it, and it puts them in an uncomfortable position if they are mafia.

[DkKoba]

tutuu can u link me some town games

[Alison]

Concern for/about @Made:

Current suspicions seem centralized on people who were early consensus suspects (Long Con, Michelle) — noted resistance to moving on from those reads

Other suspicions were on players in the middling area of consensus reads (JJJ, SPF, Omega) — folks that you can justify pushing without upsetting the momentum of the thread.

I am concerned that if the consensus is somewhere in the ballpark of correct, this group of suspects is almost where you must be as a mafioso.

I got to LC backwards. He went from PoE to PoE /w wagonomics then back to PoE as his wagon fully evaporated.

I also spent like full brain power pushing Alison and it made my head hurt. I’m not doing that again until other folks want to look into her too.

I push wagons I expect to be able to push off a cliff. If civvies are leading the way, momentum is where we want to go nyways

Wagonomics says LC is mafia. You personally think I am mafia but can't get traction on me.

Which of us do you think you are more likely to be wrong on, or do you think it's a bus?

[DkKoba]

if you have any with spf thats bonus points

[tutuu]

Hey tutuu I know you’re annoyed and that’s okay. I’m glad you’re playing Bread Mafia with me.

Thanks Jimmy.

[staypositivefriend]

if you have any with spf thats bonus points

im like 90% sure tutuu is town, if it helps

[staypositivefriend]

thanks alison & jagged for the input on that post from made - i just find their read progression so difficult to vibe with and understand, but i'm struggling to determine if that's simply because they think differently than me or because they're making things up

[DkKoba]

Concern for/about @Made:

Current suspicions seem centralized on people who were early consensus suspects (Long Con, Michelle) — noted resistance to moving on from those reads

Other suspicions were on players in the middling area of consensus reads (JJJ, SPF, Omega) — folks that you can justify pushing without upsetting the momentum of the thread.

I am concerned that if the consensus is somewhere in the ballpark of correct, this group of suspects is almost where you must be as a mafioso.

I got to LC backwards. He went from PoE to PoE /w wagonomics then back to PoE as his wagon fully evaporated.

I also spent like full brain power pushing Alison and it made my head hurt. I’m not doing that again until other folks want to look into her too.

I push wagons I expect to be able to push off a cliff. If civvies are leading the way, momentum is where we want to go nyways

Also, iso me and try to come to that conclusion, cuz that doesn’t seem accurate. I feel like I’ve tinfoiled everyone in thread, what do you mean I’ve gotten stuck?

where's my tinfoil?

[tutuu]

if you have any with spf thats bonus points

radiohead - http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... sf=msgonly
grasslands - http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... sf=msgonly

both with spf

[Made]

I went from being Made's top scum read to what seems to be the least of his scum reads. (He describes me as an "on the low" scumread, and indicates that my death would give him the least information.) I have been afk for the past 9 hours, so I know I didn't say something townie. What did [LC/Michelle/SPF/DOO/JJJ] do that pushed them past me in terms of suspicion?

Were you my top scum read? I think you were just the only person i developed an arguement against. That’s more cuz I felt
U were under analyzed.
Similar to how ur trying to go elsewhere cuz folk are town shielding me I’m doing the same. We might just both be town

[staypositivefriend]

i switched my vote back to long con.

holistically he's towntold the least out of everyone here (besides grogu) and the fact that the momentum on him has slowed significantly even though he would a mafias dream push makes me feel really uneasy

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think I am moving to a more town space in reading SPF. My misgivings were undeveloped anyway, and I don’t really feel that anymore. I feel like she is seeing a similar enough game to me, and that she is pursuing its resolution appropriately.

Those who disagree, by all means yell your grievances at me — preferably something concrete.

[Made]

Concern for/about @Made:

Current suspicions seem centralized on people who were early consensus suspects (Long Con, Michelle) — noted resistance to moving on from those reads

Other suspicions were on players in the middling area of consensus reads (JJJ, SPF, Omega) — folks that you can justify pushing without upsetting the momentum of the thread.

I am concerned that if the consensus is somewhere in the ballpark of correct, this group of suspects is almost where you must be as a mafioso.

I got to LC backwards. He went from PoE to PoE /w wagonomics then back to PoE as his wagon fully evaporated.

I also spent like full brain power pushing Alison and it made my head hurt. I’m not doing that again until other folks want to look into her too.

I push wagons I expect to be able to push off a cliff. If civvies are leading the way, momentum is where we want to go nyways

Also, iso me and try to come to that conclusion, cuz that doesn’t seem accurate. I feel like I’ve tinfoiled everyone in thread, what do you mean I’ve gotten stuck?

where's my tinfoil?

Ran out.
by the time I got to you i remembered there were only 3 bad people so ur prob fine

[DkKoba]

Concern for/about @Made:

Current suspicions seem centralized on people who were early consensus suspects (Long Con, Michelle) — noted resistance to moving on from those reads

Other suspicions were on players in the middling area of consensus reads (JJJ, SPF, Omega) — folks that you can justify pushing without upsetting the momentum of the thread.

I am concerned that if the consensus is somewhere in the ballpark of correct, this group of suspects is almost where you must be as a mafioso.

I got to LC backwards. He went from PoE to PoE /w wagonomics then back to PoE as his wagon fully evaporated.

I also spent like full brain power pushing Alison and it made my head hurt. I’m not doing that again until other folks want to look into her too.

I push wagons I expect to be able to push off a cliff. If civvies are leading the way, momentum is where we want to go nyways

Also, iso me and try to come to that conclusion, cuz that doesn’t seem accurate. I feel like I’ve tinfoiled everyone in thread, what do you mean I’ve gotten stuck?

where's my tinfoil?

Ran out.
by the time I got to you i remembered there were only 3 bad people so ur prob fine

listen ur g onna need to go back to the store and buy some more ok?

[staypositivefriend]

Concern for/about @Made:

Current suspicions seem centralized on people who were early consensus suspects (Long Con, Michelle) — noted resistance to moving on from those reads

Other suspicions were on players in the middling area of consensus reads (JJJ, SPF, Omega) — folks that you can justify pushing without upsetting the momentum of the thread.

I am concerned that if the consensus is somewhere in the ballpark of correct, this group of suspects is almost where you must be as a mafioso.

I got to LC backwards. He went from PoE to PoE /w wagonomics then back to PoE as his wagon fully evaporated.

I also spent like full brain power pushing Alison and it made my head hurt. I’m not doing that again until other folks want to look into her too.

I push wagons I expect to be able to push off a cliff. If civvies are leading the way, momentum is where we want to go nyways

Also, iso me and try to come to that conclusion, cuz that doesn’t seem accurate. I feel like I’ve tinfoiled everyone in thread, what do you mean I’ve gotten stuck?

where's my tinfoil?

Ran out.
by the time I got to you i remembered there were only 3 bad people so ur prob fine

is this possibly TMI or am i just going crazy

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I dunno everyone tmi’d DkKoba

[Made]

i switched my vote back to long con.

holistically he's towntold the least out of everyone here (besides grogu) and the fact that the momentum on him has slowed significantly even though he would a mafias dream push makes me feel really uneasy

Iunno, from my POV, LC is and isn’t a dream push. I feel like he’s got a bit of meta-armor. If syndicate regulars are mafia, I doubt they would push him over the edge cuz it was a fairly shaken flash in-the-pan wagon to begin with

[DkKoba]

why do a bunch of u talk about reads like ur larping like its embelleshment that isnt needed like ur fluffing ur posts with big words to sound smart when all ur basically saying is "i think this player is towny"


@jjj directed at ur post mainly.

but also maybe a cheeky question: what would you say is the best way to catch you as scum?

[staypositivefriend]

I dunno everyone tmi’d DkKoba

i'm referring to the fact that made emphasized that there are only three bad guys, but i haven't actually read enough about the setup to know if that's something made could reasonably be confident about

[Alison]

I dunno everyone tmi’d DkKoba

i'm referring to the fact that made emphasized that there are only three bad guys, but i haven't actually read enough about the setup to know if that's something made could reasonably be confident about

12v3 is confirmed in the first post.

[DkKoba]

reading the setup is for losers

[DkKoba]

I dunno everyone tmi’d DkKoba

i'm referring to the fact that made emphasized that there are only three bad guys, but i haven't actually read enough about the setup to know if that's something made could reasonably be confident about

12v3 is confirmed in the first post.

confirmed loser ^

[Made]

Concern for/about @Made:

Current suspicions seem centralized on people who were early consensus suspects (Long Con, Michelle) — noted resistance to moving on from those reads

Other suspicions were on players in the middling area of consensus reads (JJJ, SPF, Omega) — folks that you can justify pushing without upsetting the momentum of the thread.

I am concerned that if the consensus is somewhere in the ballpark of correct, this group of suspects is almost where you must be as a mafioso.

I got to LC backwards. He went from PoE to PoE /w wagonomics then back to PoE as his wagon fully evaporated.

I also spent like full brain power pushing Alison and it made my head hurt. I’m not doing that again until other folks want to look into her too.

I push wagons I expect to be able to push off a cliff. If civvies are leading the way, momentum is where we want to go nyways

Also, iso me and try to come to that conclusion, cuz that doesn’t seem accurate. I feel like I’ve tinfoiled everyone in thread, what do you mean I’ve gotten stuck?

where's my tinfoil?

Ran out.
by the time I got to you i remembered there were only 3 bad people so ur prob fine

listen ur g onna need to go back to the store and buy some more ok?

I remember the “BUT WHAT IF DK is mafia” thought came around when I realized that I read a lot of your post but they didn’t ping me, which might mean conservative play, but also high post volume.

Im fine with tho based on your interactions with Esooa and Ellie, which is why I asked for more info there

[staypositivefriend]

I dunno everyone tmi’d DkKoba

i'm referring to the fact that made emphasized that there are only three bad guys, but i haven't actually read enough about the setup to know if that's something made could reasonably be confident about

12v3 is confirmed in the first post.

i thought the OP implied ambiguity about the number of mafia but i probably just misread it

[Michelle]

wait why are ppl even voting spf

homophobia, probably

Well, that's new for me to be accused for, i know i explained my read.

[staypositivefriend]

I dunno everyone tmi’d DkKoba

i'm referring to the fact that made emphasized that there are only three bad guys, but i haven't actually read enough about the setup to know if that's something made could reasonably be confident about

12v3 is confirmed in the first post.

i thought the OP implied ambiguity about the number of mafia but i probably just misread it

no ur right it does explicitly state that it's 12v3, you can ignore that post lol

[staypositivefriend]

wait why are ppl even voting spf

homophobia, probably

Well, that's new for me to be accused for, i know i explained my read.

i'm just joking, i don't think that's why youre voting me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

why do a bunch of u talk about reads like ur larping like its embelleshment that isnt needed like ur fluffing ur posts with big words to sound smart when all ur basically saying is "i think this player is towny"


@jjj directed at ur post mainly.

but also maybe a cheeky question: what would you say is the best way to catch you as scum?

Explaining one’s thought process is more valuable to other players than “I think this player is towny”. There’s a place for one-liners too, and I’ve made way too many of those already.

When I’m mafia I’m an emotionless android. I am a factory of analysis and computations and reads. My posts are beautiful, pristine artwork, and everyone in the graveyard screams in outrage as I continue to sleepwalk through all of my delicious mischops.

Granted I am also generally more analytical as town than what you’ve seen in this game, but I’m pretty committed to TrashCanJay atm.

[Michelle]

reading the setup is for losers

Put me there

[nutella]

Anyway. SPF is continuing to get a free pass for no god damn reason and she is completely ignoring my scumread on her. I believe that she is Mafia and she needs to die. Probably together with DOOM.

i mean, you haven't presented any reasons for why you scumread me. you mentioned earlier that you ~always~ think i'm mafia and that you could be wrong about me. the most pertinent thing i could see myself doing was just solving like i normally would instead of getting caught up on your push on me

but since you feel strongly about it, do you wanna talk about your read on me? why are you sus?

Why were you OK with another player saying they just scumread you by default? In Radiohead I wrongly tunneled you and you expressed a slight frustration at one point because I wasn't explaining myself. In Grasslands I also scumread you at points without explaining myself and you ignored it/you were chill with it. I am therefore to believe that your reaction (or lack of it) to my objectively bad pushes on you is Alignment Indicative.

in radiohead mafia, i got legitimately frustrated by the pushes on me because i hadn't learned how to handle pressure as town yet. i don't like getting angry about games that are supposed to be fun, and i don't like projecting that energy onto other people. so, me being calm in response to you tunneling me should be NAI

i've pushed back against people who've tinfoiled me in this game (nutella, made, etc), but i haven't seen the point in engaging you with your read when you've admitted yourself that you're inclined to SR me regardless of my alignment, and when you haven't presented any reasons for why you're suspicious of me.

i'm happy to talk about anything specific that you scumread from me, but it's a waste of both of our time if i try to talk you out of a read that you haven't explained yet

Even if I have a verbalized reason to suspect you you're going to find a way to logically refute it regardless of your alignment. I know that you're capable of it. You're stacking the deck in your favor. I refuse to play that game. I'm stacking the deck in my favor instead. your mafia your mafia your mafia your mafia your mafia your mafia your mafia your mafia

tutuu, step back for a second and imagine a world where i'm town. even if u are 100% convinced i'm scum, i just want you to play along w/me for a moment

through this framework that you've created (ie: "i can't discuss my scumread on SPF because if I do, she'll be able to logically refute it as mafia"), there's really no avenue for me to change your mind, is there?

if you're unwilling to discuss your reasoning and you also believe that my response to your reasoning would be NAI - then that puts me in a position, as town, where there is literally no way to talk you out of your read

so, if it's impossible for me to talk you out of your read, then what can i really do? i could plead with you to change your mind, but i don't know why you scumread me in the first place, and i'm not going to spend my energy in this game trying to rationalize somebody out of a position that they have not provided rationalization for

i, spf!town, am acutely aware of the fact that you're going to be suspicious of me no matter what alignment i am. and i think that's good - it's good to be paranoid about me, and it's good to worry that i might be mafia. hell, i could be mafia

but if it's impossible for me to actually talk about your read with you, then the best thing i can do is gamesolve like i normally would and not let your tunnel get to me, don't you think? there is literally no other avenue for me to take.

i would love to talk it out with you, but i'm also not going to play to appease you. i'm gonna keep doing what i'm doing, and if you want to discuss your read on me (or your read on anyone here) with me at any point, then i'll be here

t/t

[DkKoba]

why do a bunch of u talk about reads like ur larping like its embelleshment that isnt needed like ur fluffing ur posts with big words to sound smart when all ur basically saying is "i think this player is towny"


@jjj directed at ur post mainly.

but also maybe a cheeky question: what would you say is the best way to catch you as scum?

Explaining one’s thought process is more valuable to other players than “I think this player is towny”. There’s a place for one-liners too, and I’ve made way too many of those already.

When I’m mafia I’m an emotionless android. I am a factory of analysis and computations and reads. My posts are beautiful, pristine artwork, and everyone in the graveyard screams in outrage as I continue to sleepwalk through all of my delicious mischops.

Granted I am also generally more analytical as town than what you’ve seen in this game, but I’m pretty committed to TrashCanJay atm.

am i being trolled

[Alison]

t/t

yes

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Look

Idk if I’ll fight for them long term

But I’d like to not kill doom or Ellie today

And no esooa’s read on Ellie doesn’t sway me at all

Why tho

I still kinda think they’re both town!

Relevant to you for Ellie at least, she’s very likely not teamed with Michelle who is in your POE afaik, i don’t think LC is very partnery with her, so that should be enough to buy her a day I’d say

I don’t really have a great argument for doom beyond that it feels like she has strong martin vibes where people often want to SR them when they’re being serious cause they can come across as a bit stilted to those of us more used to the casual syndicate conversational style posting.

can u reword this and explain like im 5?

Ellie has lower likelihood of being partnered with other people in Mac’s poe, so she has lower likelihood of being mafia in general from his POV.

Doom reminds me of another player that gets scumread wrongly for similar stuff.

your understanding of my POE is wrong

I currently have Ellie with Alison +1 tbh.

Wow my understanding of your POE is very wrong, yeah

[nutella]

I don't support a DOOM exe today. DOOM has had one post that made me go "oh, that's not something a mafia would say". There are multiple people in this game who have not had a post like that. I want them to go before DOOM.

agreed

[nutella]

i have secret meta on spf that i will withhold while i let yall go ahead (: but i think spf might know what that might be

i'm p sure i know what it is lol

lmao i might actually have a guess what this is...